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mayor1814:
One thing for sure is that China keeps talking about and hyping his military prowess. We all know she is powerful but the reality is that she still has a long way to go before she can catch up with the USA. Infact many people are thinking that the USA has become weak because they don't engage in show off like China and Russia.


Sometimes last week, Biden had a zoom meeting with Putin, and he firmly and harshly warned Putin that there would be grave consequences if he ever invade Ukraine. Since then he has been confused and has even lay low regarding his planned invasion of Ukraine.


The fact is USA will never hype his military might. You will even hear their top generals talking about the fact that China and Russia are going far militarily. So it's not that they fear Russia or China but the USA is just playing mind games.


American presence is felt in almost every part of the world. E.g English which belongs to UK and USA is the lingua franca of the world not mandarin Chinese, ask any primary school or Secondary student the name of the Chinese or Russian leader, I'm very sure 90 to 97% wouldn't know it. But ask any of them the name of the American leader, 90 to 97% will easily answer you.


Their military accommodates people from different countries. If USA wants to spy on any subsaharan African country, she won't use whites, she will use blacks like us in their army to spy. same goes for Arab Americans in the army, for spying in the Arab world, etc. China doesn't have all these potentials.

You really have time to engage them. When it comes to US vs China argument especially on NL, I don't bother to engage anyone cus they will be talking offpoint and chunking out inflated figures to boost their low self Esteem.

Yes, China has advanced and keep advancing in the area of technology, economy and military wise no doubt, but they're still lagging behind. The US is far ahead of them including Russia. If you ask me, the Russians military technology are way more ahead than that of China.

Most of Chinese technology are made from reverse engineering, copy and paste. What they know how to do best is to steal technology.

Right now, the US is developing the six generation fighter jet. The Next Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) is working on it together with Lockheed Martin's. The prototype of the jet has already been tested successfully, you can check it out on YouTube, the engineering development is mind-blowing. One of the top American physicst called it "magic".

Ramon92:
The Chinese are on par with the US technologically, ahead economically and catching up military wise. The fascinating part is they achieved it with home grown talents.
If there's one country that will make the US stand on its toes in all aspects, it's China..

Oga, China 1.4billion people military budget is not more than $250b per annum, while US 330million people military budget amount to roughly $700b per annum and you're still here talking ?

How many military base does China have outside their mainland, Compare to US? .

emmabest2000:
There are a lot of Chinese-American in US Army

ABC, american born chinese.

anyway, there are only 3 million asian in america, 50% are chinese .


many chinese soilders ? how many ? a room of chinese ?

Hanks0000:
You d*mb. The UK colonised the USA so how did they steal English form the UK?.

Your hatred for the USA has turned you to something that cannot reason properly... L*me m*slem goat

It is a compliment to call USA and nigeria and india to be thieves. actually , they are slaves , colonized by masters.


you want scathing words ? you got them now.

250 years for indian to copy UK , but It ended empty handed, except for an air of arrogance (to china) and ass-kissing (to the West) .

i just mention india , to save your nigeria face, dont ask me to say the scathing truth again !

america knows better how to copy UK . go figure out why.


the white men taught indian hand by hand, like a toddler. what these indian can not copy ? they only chose to copy how to speak pidgin english and be proud of it, and they chose democracy too. what a joke ! even being forced to learn fails indian, how dare they accuse chinese of copying ?

looks like the weapon we use on the zombie gaming

jaxxy:
China made paper? Nigeria made palm oil abi? Who cares?

China is the greatest copycat known to mankind. Period. The only original thing they have is that paper. And even that paper it’s was the Europeans that made it what it looks like 2day.

Come to think of it Hebrews as far 2000 years or more had paper scrolls. U sure China didn’t copy that too??

of course you dont need to care the importance of paper in human history. you african dont even care the most uptoday technology. i have never seen any attention given by african for china's new space station and its 3 space man and woman.

this space station is what invokes most hatred and jealousy and frustation from the indian and the sour west media. today, outer space is the leading area for scrambles . you guys still think cellphone is high tech ? you dont even know how chinese value Nobel Prize. check Nobel prize on
nairaland, almost zero threads. because, no offence, african are living on the margin of the world, they dont know what majority human think .

paper matters.

the UK masters taught you 62 years during colonization time, you failed at copying anything. what a shame! your frustrated teacher left then. look at america, at least they copied successfully during their time being colonized .

jaxxy:
China made paper? Nigeria made palm oil abi? Who cares?

China is the greatest copycat known to mankind. Period. The only original thing they have is that paper. And even that paper it’s was the Europeans that made it what it looks like 2day.

Come to think of it Hebrews as far 2000 years or more had paper scrolls. U sure China didn’t copy that too??

by the way, what did chinese copy ? your tecno phones ? well, yes.

the CPU was invented by american, the plastics of the shell was invented by german, the memory was invented by japanese who improved from finland, the battery was invented by British since 18th century (though after numerous innovations to today's phone battery), the 5G system and protocol was copied from chinese..........

so It is the apple , nokia and samsung.......everyone copies everyone.

your country does not even know how to copy.

and, according to WTO (hope you know what It is ) rules, developed countries are responsible to transfer technologies to developing ones, not to say, if america wants to invest in china. it gives out technologies for china's market and the permit to build factories. that is the same to india and all other developing countries !


even you guys complain chinese build factories in africa without tech transfer. not because they dont , but because you are lacking education, you can not learn their tech.

and, go check the patent rights ranked by countries, china has more than the rest of the world put together. how come the world factory has no self-generated inventions ? everything you use, even if made by other countries, there are chinese patents inside for some certain components.

WoundedLamb:
You have something against the US and you have succeeded in making this US vs China discussion. While I'd like to have that chat, it is very important not to engage in a strawman argument. I am not arguing about the US/China relationship and who's right or wrong. I am saying that China does not have the socio-cultural structure to be the world leader. It is a closed system and the world will never look to them for leadership. Neither democratic systems nor other authoritarian systems will bend for that.

China will be become richer and other countries will do business with them for that. But that's all about it. Military might will not work cause people need to willing follow thier lead and people won't do that cause they can't relate with them.

china is the biggest democratic country. the destitute, the most talented, the racially marginal are castaways. CCP only caters to the majority chinese. the essence of the democracy : majority prevails, minority submitting to majority.

not to say , in a big data , consumerism era, only majority chinese are the concern of the chinese government.


and , why the West always pick the "weak and helpless" to support ? why not crack the foundation of the commumist party and ask for followers from the majority chinese ? anyone from Henan province or jiangxi province believe the spiel of the West ?

not to say , the West foolish enough to say " i dont hate chinese, i just hate chinese government" , as if chinese and the chinese government can be severed . that is how it is in america, where no one cares anyone . you just show respect to another guy if you dont want to get beaten by him, but you can badmouth his original motherland , and the harsher the better, that means you two are cosmopolitan and establishing a ultrarace, utralnationality relationship which flouts patriotism. that is not working in china. government and ppl are two sides of the same coin.


that is why america has to look for cracks from the "helpless" few in china, who are outcasts in a majority-dominating democracy.

WoundedLamb:
Please, take a look at what you typed. You did not type "naturalized". It was probably a typo but you had in quotes giving the impression it was deliberate. One would think you'd look at your own text before attempting to insult the second party for not understanding.

You might as well ask me who says the US is the world power. I don't need anyone to tell me China wants to lead the world. The reason we go to school to have enough knowledge to make these inferences. Even that's not the case, I simply posit that they are far away from becoming one. This is regardless of whatever their goal is.

All your comparisons have been about Finance. China is rich and will continue to get richer from all indications. China is now considered richer than the US as a nation. My point to you is that alone doesn't make a nation the world power. I can't keep repeating myself. Read the other reply.

I have nothing say about bots, foods, etc. cause don't see how any of these addresses any point I've raised so far.

the current ruling party of japan, rules 2021-1945-3= 75 years. 3 years by another one .


the communist party in china , rules 2021-1949= 72 years.

who is under the dictatorship ?

japan is richer than china, ppl naturally believe japan is better than china. if one is asked if japan is a democracy country enjoying freedom, he will say " i have never been to japan, but i believe japan is " . as i told you last night, if a country is rich, ppl will say its feces are tasty too. dont worry, china is coming up, with its feces too.

WoundedLamb:
I am Canadian by birth. I live in Canada. I have lived in the US and I have been to the Middle East multiple times for work. I don't know much about Nigeria other than the fact that my parents are originally from Nigeria and I visit the country once in a decade. So I was not even making reference to Nigeria when I talked about freedom.

If you live in the US for just a year and spend a week in China, you will not come back here to ask me what freedom I am referring to. Freedom of religion, freedom of speech/journalism, freedom of association, etc., are almost none existent. Heavy media censorship and news filtering is common. Heck, as a visitor, even the people of China see you as a stranger and have no issues making that obvious. Nevertheless, how thier leadership and lifestyle work today for them is not the point as it's not really my issue. The point is how this authoritarian system does not work in favour of thier end goal cause the world is not very likely to look up to a country they cannot relate with.

Yes, being a world leader doesn't mean other countries will have to drop their system for yours, but you must have a model they can emulate to some extent. A model that gives you the moral authority to weigh in on other people's issues. The reason the US is so influential is because many countries strive to be like them. Adopting thier models in almost every sphere implies a change in the US ripples down. And this, in turn, puts the country in a position to decide the way forward. Now, how many citizens of most world countries would like to adopt the Chinese model? Even the Nigerians praising the country will be the first to protest if the catholics are formed to cut off from the Pope.

I am not disputing China's economic success. I acknowledged it in the first comment you quoted. I'm saying that is not a system can make them a world power.

your mother is beautiful, but why she marries that ugly man you call "father" ?

she chooses the most appropriate man, instead of the most handsome one.

chinese ppl know what government they want. and It does not hurt you any bit, even if it kills as many chinese as you think it kills in whatever genocides you call.

not to say, you are enjoying the benefits of the cheap and reliable products from china. chinese products are always reliable in West countries, they sell flimsy versions to india and africa only. and chinese products are cheap for they adopt big production lines , by using skilled workers, instead of those churned out by small mills from india or vietnam. go use them , and see the differences. too many bizzare and self-contradictory stories about china that i cannot help digressing a little

WoundedLamb:
Lack of freedom has nothing to do nourishment or travelling restrictions. Freedom is about choices. Choosing your preferred religion, watching your preferred kind of movie, using your preferred websites, choosing your preferred leaders, freedom of speech/civil liberties, independent journalism, etc.

The word leader is a model, a point of reference for others (see Kemi Olunoyo's response to Falana). And the absence of this freedom is not something the world is ready to adopt as a model at this phase of human civilization. So I wasn't particularly talking about the citizens of China today but China as a world leader tomorrow.

talking about well nutrition nothing to do with freedom , on an african forum , and you hope "likes" ?


2 interesting questions : if china is democratic, will america like china ? if 1.4 billion chinese are free to get visa exempt by america, will the americans welcome them ? to buy off the houses and to turn everywhere a noisy china town ?

you definitely hope chinese should not be cosmopolitan and should stay where they are.

china MUST not be democratic. you no idea how they , especially those younger generation who have not been humbled by the japanese in WW2 and the hardships brought by communism before the reform, behave. these young kids are extremely contemptuous to less developed countries, say, africa and india and even russia.

one day, they will be the backbone of china, you wish china be ruled by a party voted by them ?

Chloraseptic:
Only in American army you would see Chinese, Japanese, Russian, German, British, Indian, Nigerian and the rest.. That's why they know what almost the rest of the world know but their own is not known...

China can only rub shoulders with America economically but when it comes to advance technologies and military hardware/softwares they dare not.

Point of correction, economically with America NO WAY. China is far behind.

WoundedLamb:
Lack of freedom has nothing to do nourishment or travelling restrictions. Freedom is about choices. Choosing your preferred religion, watching your preferred kind of movie, using your preferred websites, choosing your preferred leaders, freedom of speech/civil liberties, independent journalism, etc.

The word leader is a model, a point of reference for others (see Kemi Olunoyo's response to Falana). And the absence of this freedom is not something the world is ready to adopt as a model at this phase of human civilization. So I wasn't particularly talking about the citizens of China today but China as a world leader tomorrow.

it is just like " i dont care if i have cancer, i live in a West country, i know some one in china always living more terrible than me, he does not even have freedom , that makes me suddenly feel good" .

that is why so many westerner suckers believe the freedomless china mirage.

anyway, these westerners do not "sympathise" with who they consider sorry slaves in china. they are just gloating they are not born in china. and they even give themselves some "conscience" : i like chinese ppl, i just hate their government, i am Jesus, but i can hardly help all of them, i still will try though.

and he even expects the chinese to agree with him ! if not , that chinese must be a brainwashed troll.

jaxxy:
America made China what it is militarily and economically. Dumbass

They integrated so much with China they didn’t know when they started stealing their technologies.

China is only a good copycat at best,

china made the whole world how it is now. china reshapes the world. precisely speaking, a single chinese, less than 150cm tall and has a dick less than 12cm, that changes the whole world and every one's fate.

without Deng Xiao Ping, you guys are using japanese clamphones, being a clown between russia and america, or even more pathetic, UK , and your whole house will be stript clean for everything made in india will be more funny for you to buy, and no cheap international airplane travel that brings you to hustle in UK or UAE , for the cheap tickets are cheap for million chinese travlers bring the price down, america will not give any interest to you then, for you are a swing vote now, and america economics shrinks half without chinese involvement , inboud and outboud FDI and trading, you african guys will eat nothing since even america can not have an affluent live then.

and not just your biafran but even your yoruba will go, if there is no china as an offset to the West.

mayor1814:
One thing for sure is that China keeps talking about and hyping his military prowess.s.

china talks about how powerful it is via West media in english language ?


or maybe you speak chinese and be fed up with their self-boasting. is it ?

WoundedLamb:
The point here is that China as a country is a very closed system and that makes the rest of the world wary of them including those from the same continent
.

with 65 million annual inbound tourists, right after spain , france and america, with the largest inbound FDI, china is unknown to the common ppl and investors worldwide ? that only means, ppl like you do not know china , or, i should say, china is way more well known today that even a guy like you who has nothing to do with china and knows little of china, now feels interested in china .


the ppl who complain china not as cosmopolitan as america are the ones either influenced by media or having no chance to hustle in china .

BTW, democracy is not strongly related to freedom. freedom is good, democracy is possibly good (at least in books). why almost all the successful democratic countries are caucasian ones ? english speaking and of christianity ? dont you feel curious ? coincidence ?

as to china expansionism, that is a joke. why china wants more poor ppl in philippines , vietnam and even india ?! not to say, in chinese minds, those are virulent barbaric lands. in 21st century, china can grab more money in 1 month by sheer investment than a viceroy culled in a year in the last century.

i dont think chinese being in a closed system a problem for themselves. why chinese can read so many books about the outside world and be welltravelled and humble to learn , while the foreigners can not ?

according to my experience,chinese are more a casual and companionable to other races/culture systems, than the rigid West . look at those third party fair play grounds, africa with 1 billion ppl , muslim world with 1.8 billion ppl, east europe and south asia (without india ) , or even america's backyard, latin america. to them, china and america are the same but just america being richer and more high tech, they dont care "close system " or not. actually, it is not close at all.

WoundedLamb:
I am Canadian by birth. I live in Canada. I have lived in the US and I have been to the Middle East multiple times for work. I don't know much about Nigeria other than the fact that my parents are originally from Nigeria and I visit the country once in a decade. So I was not even making reference to Nigeria when I talked about freedom.

If you live in the US for just a year and spend a week in China, you will not come back here to ask me what freedom I am referring to. Freedom of religion, freedom of speech/journalism, freedom of association, etc., are almost none existent. Heavy media censorship and news filtering is common. Heck, as a visitor, even the people of China see you as a stranger and have no issues making that obvious. Nevertheless, how thier leadership and lifestyle work today for them is not the point as it's not really my issue. The point is how this authoritarian system does not work in favour of thier end goal cause the world is not very likely to look up to a country they cannot relate with.

Yes, being a world leader doesn't mean other countries will have to drop their system for yours, but you must have a model they can emulate to some extent. A model that gives you the moral authority to weigh in on other people's issues. The reason the US is so influential is because many countries strive to be like them. Adopting thier models in almost every sphere implies a change in the US ripples down. And this, in turn, puts the country in a position to decide the way forward. Now, how many citizens of most world countries would like to adopt the Chinese model? Even the Nigerians praising the country will be the first to protest if the catholics are formed to cut off from the Pope.

I am not disputing China's economic success. I acknowledged it in the first comment you quoted. I'm saying that is not a system can make them a world power.

oh, my G. i read your this comment carefully this time after i wake up.


you are such a typical westerner. you know nothing of china. i can not even explain china to you in english. there are no suitable words , common words with the same connotations to bridge these two cultures.

but as a person who has been to china, nigeria , india and has read a lot western books, i guess i know more than an american who knows nothing of china. look at your cliche spiels.

you need to live in china for a long while to know it. of course you can live the way you live now. i dont intend to reply any more. a big gap between us. i guess , even the basic meaning of "freedom" is different between you and me. and i abhor your understanding. i even particularly used the meaning of freedom in wikipedia to humor you, considering you are a westerner.

good luck, guy.

igbesachick:
china talks about how powerful it is via West media in english language ?


or maybe you speak chinese and be fed up with their self-boasting. is it ?

Now answer me. With all the show off of strength and threat of invasion that China and Russia are giving to Taiwan and Ukraine respectively, tell me the only country preventing China and Russia from attacking Taiwan and Ukraine?

Whether you like it or not, US is the world police. They may have their issues and challenges but trust me their being world power is a moderate stability to the world. Ask any average citizen of any country where he or she would love to reside not just visit, I'm very sure 80% will choose USA.

Chloraseptic:
Only in American army you would see Chinese, Japanese, Russian, German, British, Indian, Nigerian and the rest.. That's why they know what almost the rest of the world know but their own is not known...

China can only rub shoulders with America economically but when it comes to advance technologies and military hardware/softwares they dare not .

Dey dia and be massaging false ego. Even the USA government is already jittery by the rate at which China is closing the gap on them in terms of military weapons research and discovery! China even beat them to making 5G a reality

Dalil8:
Impressive but I'll go with this bad boy instead.

Gilboa DBR Snake.

Dumb.
One fires energy beam invincible to the naked eye and silent to the hear while the other one fires double bullets naked to the eye and make noise. Why the comparison when their purposes are not even the same?

jaxxy:
China made paper? Nigeria made palm oil abi? Who cares?

China is the greatest copycat known to mankind . Period. The only original thing they have is that paper. And even that paper it’s was the Europeans that made it what it looks like 2day.

Come to think of it Hebrews as far 2000 years or more had paper scrolls. U sure China didn’t copy that too??

And I so love them for that. Lol.

AR-15 twice on Monday and thrice every other day

mayor1814:
Now answer me. With all the show off of strength and threat of invasion that China and Russia are giving to Taiwan and Ukraine respectively, tell me the only country preventing China and Russia from attacking Taiwan and Ukraine?

Whether you like it or not, US is the world police. They may have their issues and challenges but trust me their being world power is a moderate stability to the world. Ask any average citizen of any country where he or she would love to reside not just visit, I'm very sure 80% will choose USA.

give a break for taiwan, will you ? they talk about indian and african by using the same derogatory terms as mainlanders
talk about these two .

dont relate your biafra and nigeria to taiwan and china, nor ukraine and russia to taiwan and china.

taiwanese are not even another "tribe" of chinese. they are chinese, with grandfathers from each Han chinese provinces, as the runaway national party's army.

pathetic brainwashed troll.

igbesachick:
china made the whole world how it is now. china reshapes the world. precisely speaking, a single chinese, less than 150cm tall and has a dick less than 12cm, that changes the whole world and every one's fate.

without Deng Xiao Ping, you guys are using japanese clamphones, being a clown between russia and america, or even more pathetic, UK , and your whole house will be stript clean for everything made in india will be more funny for you to buy, and no cheap international airplane travel that brings you to hustle in UK or UAE , for the cheap tickets are cheap for million chinese travlers bring the price down, america will not give any interest to you then, for you are a swing vote now, and america economics shrinks half without chinese involvement , inboud and outboud FDI and trading, you african guys will eat nothing since even america can not have an affluent live then.

and not just your biafran but even your yoruba will go, if there is no china as an offset to the West.

B4 I respond to ur statements any further. Where are u from??

I’m not anti China bt I’m against certain they do. Every country has this kind of situation to an extent.

igbesachick:
by the way, what did chinese copy ? your tecno phones ? well, yes.

the CPU was invented by american, the plastics of the shell was invented by german, the memory was invented by japanese who improved from finland, the battery was invented by British since 18th century (though after numerous innovations to today's phone battery), the 5G system and protocol was copied from chinese..........

so It is the apple , nokia and samsung.......everyone copies everyone.

your country does not even know how to copy.

and, according to WTO (hope you know what It is ) rules, developed countries are responsible to transfer technologies to developing ones, not to say, if america wants to invest in china. it gives out technologies for china's market and the permit to build factories. that is the same to india and all other developing countries !


even you guys complain chinese build factories in africa without tech transfer. not because they dont , but because you are lacking education, you can not learn their tech.

and, go check the patent rights ranked by countries, china has more than the rest of the world put together. how come the world factory has no self-generated inventions ? everything you use, even if made by other countries, there are chinese patents inside for some certain components.

My country is stupid We all know. I’m not talking about my country here. Let’s stick to the proper argument. Ok?

daddytime:
China, make una kukuma do us anyhow una want.

Even US sef don surrender.

US surrender because China made ordinary laser weapon. The same laser technology the US has been toying with for years.

For your information the US has advanced in laser technology, google will help u if u research. Even the US Navy deployed the first high-energy laser weapon, known as LaWS, on the USS Ponce in 2014, with a reported 30 kilowatt output.

Stop over hyping Chinko

Dalil8:
Impressive but I'll go with this bad boy instead.

Gilboa DBR Snake.

The recoil from that 2 barrel rifle will be astronomical.

Stephendeals:
omo!

A lots of money is pumped into researches for Dangerous Weapons, alot is expended yearly to produce and maintain weapons
but less energy is use to combat poverty and create friendship

the poor are praying… answers are ok the way

China! D world is still battling with their corona.