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yunqdady:
Any Okun person that claims Yoruba has not met with a Yoruba person from South West before.
Maybe such Okun person lives in the north or lives in Okun region or lives where yoruba people are not present.
Yoruba people will be the first to tell you you aren't part of them. But call you agatu, tapa, Ebira or abokiii. It is due to ignorance because majority of Yoruba people don't travel. And they are very tribalistic. Even their fellow people IN South West, they show tribalism, how much more you that is outside their region.
Nonsense.
Only the educated and INFORMED SW person will agree to Okun being called Yoruba.
I spent 17years in my little town here in Kogi West, and I always call myself Yoruba.
When I gained admission into a university in SW, I stopped.
I was made to feel inferior. My Yoruba accent and some mispronounced Yoruba words( imagine an Ijebu or Ilaje speaking Yoruba with their own accent) always make me stand out and I was laughed at. So why should I still claim to be who I was told I wasn't?
Although, I blended after a semester but that experience is enough to deny.
Yoruba people need history and geography lessons, too bad and poor!
Imagine someone living in face me and face you having guts to look down on you living well all because he's "proper Oyo".
Thunder faya them. Nonsense

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Nonsense, bear whatever you want to bear.

No be you wan join South West? We forced you?

Call yourself egbira self, who cares

Very funny, I blame you guys for prolonging this issue.

An an Ondo guy, it was very hard for me to speak general Yoruba without my dialect showing, I knew Kwara state 4 yrs ago, anything I speak nah laugh, they'll even abuse us that we eat DOG etc our girls bla bla. Any Ondo guy can attest to this


So because of that I should renounce my Yorubaness

Mtcheeeww

walefresh3:
oga keep shot... If u are a Yoruba person u wont talked like dis ? You can hardly differentiate between ondo Yoruba and okun Yoruba... So who are the people discriminating you... Don't ever call yourself a Yoruba person with dis kind of attitude...

You should should.have shut his mouth since page 2.

Nonsense, who know him?
He should be called egbira or igala who cares or even Fulani.

I just dey vex.

Sammy07:
Abeq leave am, is the whole yagba or whatever it called developed up to Ondo west local government?

We don't force people to join us.

Maybe his or their negative views is why they haven't become a governor in their co owned state.

Nonsense and rubbish

Noooooo Sammy.
Omo iya wa niwon ao ribi tiwon si oooo.

Abeg no justify weytin the guy don dey yarn since about discrimination.

Sammy07:


Nonsense, bear whatever you want to bear.

No be you wan join South West? We forced you?

Call yourself egbira self, who cares

Sammy calm down first. Jeka ri oju oro ti okun bo na.

nisai:
Noooooo Sammy.
Omo iya wa niwon ao ribi tiwon si oooo.

Abeg no justify weytin the guy don dey yarn since about discrimination.

The guy just dey yarn rubbish.
He faced discrimination up to Ijebu people?

They'll say Ijebu are stingy, their wives no dey last in marriage abi na their husband self. Etc

Many years ago, we and ijebu people no dey marry. We believed there can't be two captains in a ship cos we both have Stubbornness.

He never face discrimination up to Ondo/Ijebu people

Most times I speak English, if I speak Yoruba my dialect go show, they'll ask where I am.from, I'll tell them Ondo.
Next thing is, Ah Ondo Aje Aja bla bla. Their girls dey "Do ofo"

Etc, with that I go turn am to laugh that no be some people dey eat snake and Lizard ni etc

He now dey yarn nonsense.
Mtcheeeew

@OP because someone called you omo ale, those that make you omo ale?
I guess what you should focus on why do they call u that and is there any reason for that, and if there is what is the way forward…. I lived with Egbira people in Osun state and we all see our self as Yoruba anytime I tell the am from Ondo they will say Ondo aje aja and so on, but did I fight them or deny my identity? No!. So op forget what some say. There is power in numbers bro.

If some Yoruba in Brazilian, sudan, Benni etc can be claiming Yoruba I don’t think you have any reason to deny your identity because of what some people say.

Sammy07:
The guy just dey yarn rubbish.
He faced discrimination up to Ijebu people?

They'll say Ijebu are stingy, their wives no dey last in marriage abi na their husband self. Etc

Many years ago, we and ijebu people no dey marry. We believed there can't be two captains in a ship cos we both have Stubbornness.

He never face discrimination up to Ondo/Ijebu people

Most times I speak English, if I speak Yoruba my dialect go show, they'll ask where I am.from, I'll tell them Ondo.
Next thing is, Ah Ondo Aje Aja bla bla. Their girls dey "Do ofo"

Etc, with that I go turn am to laugh that no be some people dey eat snake and Lizard ni etc

He now dey yarn nonsense.
Mtcheeeew

You cracked me up.

I understand u bro but let's give him the benefit of doubt. He may be genuinely hurt about those experiences hence his decision.

I am Ijebu and I have had my fair share of discrimination too. It's even much worste for the Ijebus with all the stereotypes coined for them by other Yoruba subgroups yet we embrace our Yorubanness like kilode.

His decision may be too harsh and irrational but we should make him realize it by good logic and explanation.

I wanted to fire him before too but i noticed the tone of his comments does not give him away as those impostors hence my diplomatic approach towards him.

Btw, I hear you Ondos do not like us, why?

Sammy07:
Very funny, I blame you guys for prolonging this issue.

An an Ondo guy, it was very hard for me to speak general Yoruba without my dialect showing, I knew Kwara state 4 yrs ago, anything I speak nah laugh, they'll even abuse us that we eat DOG etc our girls bla bla. Any Ondo guy can attest to this


So because of that I should renounce my Yorubaness

Mtcheeeww

Oga no dey yarn dust... The guy is entitled to his own opinion and reasons just like you too.

oyatz:
Oba Adetona gave an account of the origin of his lineage from Sudan. There are Yorubas from what we now call Sudan, Ethiopia and several other African Kingdoms/Empires but over time, they have evolve a unique Yoruba identity.

Ijebu are not children of oduduwa. He said.

That's fine.
All of us came from Adam and eve.

Sammy07:
The guy just dey yarn rubbish.
He faced discrimination up to Ijebu people?

They'll say Ijebu are stingy, their wives no dey last in marriage abi na their husband self. Etc

Many years ago, we and ijebu people no dey marry. We believed there can't be two captains in a ship cos we both have Stubbornness.

He never face discrimination up to Ondo/Ijebu people

Most times I speak English, if I speak Yoruba my dialect go show, they'll ask where I am.from, I'll tell them Ondo.
Next thing is, Ah Ondo Aje Aja bla bla. Their girls dey "Do ofo"

Etc, with that I go turn am to laugh that no be some people dey eat snake and Lizard ni etc

He now dey yarn nonsense.
Mtcheeeew

You called his own reasons and opinion rubbish... So for your mind u're more sensible than him?

You can't understand or take his own opinion yet you want him to reason the same direction as you.

Mumu!

U're entitled to your own reasons just like him.

nisai:
You cracked me up.

I understand u bro but let's give him the benefit of doubt. He may be genuinely hurt about those experiences hence his decision.

I am Ijebu and I have had my fair share of discrimination too. It's even much worste for the Ijebus with all the stereotypes coined for them by other Yoruba subgroups yet we embrace our Yorubanness like kilode.

His decision may be too harsh and irrational but we should make him realize it by good logic and explanation.

I wanted to fire him before too but i noticed the tone of his comments does not give him away as those impostors hence my diplomatic approach towards him.

Btw, I hear you Ondos do not like us, why?

Sorry jare.
@bolded Ondo and Ijebu have wars in the past.
We still call one kind cutlass as Ida Ijebu.

And I believe there can't be two captains in a ship as you're stubborn, we're equally stubborn

Well, that's in the past tho.


Modified.
The cutlass is called Ijebu Peyinda

Bendeco02:
You called his own reasons and opinion rubbish... So for your mind u're more sensible than him?

You can't understand or take his own opinion yet you want him to reason the same direction as you.

Mumu!

U're entitled to your own reasons just like him.

Sure, he's entitled to his opinion that's why I retorted back that South West no dey beg them.
Why is he then antagonizing

In fact they should go with their Ebira and igala people, I think that is fair

Sammy07:
Sorry jare.
@bolded Ondo and Ijebu have wars in the past.
We still call one kind cutlass as Ida Ijebu.

And I believe there can't be two captains in a ship as you're stubborn, we're equally stubborn

Well, that's in the past tho.


Modified.
The cutlass is called Ijebu Peyinda

Lol. Ok bro.

Sammy07:


Nonsense, bear whatever you want to bear.

No be you wan join South West? We forced you?

Call yourself egbira self, who cares

You don't matter. Omo ale

Sammy07:
He's stupid who force am?

Mtcheeew. So because some just downgrade him it means anything?

He probably never heard that in the past Ondo and Ijebu don't marry. If not things that have changed.

Mtcheeew. He should interpret their names in Okun dialect and not Oyo Yoruba

Or never listen to Yoruba music, Culture, food and studies

Nonsense.
Even the Ijebu or Egba that should be doing this no do am.
Mtcheeew

I will flog you if you don't stop quoting me. Nonsense

Sammy07:
You're not.Yoruba so what are you? Where do you come from? What is the name of ur king?

I double dare you to interpret Adeyemi in Okun language

Nothing like Okun language. Olodo

AkalaJ:
@yunqdady: I've always held the view that anyone is free to be whoever he chooses to be. Your case is rather unfortunate because your obvious anger stems from firsthand experiences you had during several encounters with SW-based Yorubas. You're only human, therefore I cannot fault your reaction to these unwarranted/unpleasant experiences from your supposed kinsmen.

Their attitude towards you was borne out of sheer ignorance. Let's just say Nigeria happened to all of us; we're all victims of the geographical fraud that previous administrations perpetrated on our race to balkanize, divide, and engender this exact attitudes towards one another.

However, in spite of all of that, I would still urge you to sheathe your sword out of maturity. You have more to gain as a component of the larger yoruba family than as an ethnic minority (there's power in numbers). There may well come a time when the geographical aberration/anomaly that birthed this problem would be redressed once and for all. Until then, all the best.

I just wanted to be controversial.
All I said were the truth though, I don't even think about all those tribal issues. What's my business? If they like, they should burn the country. Me that I'm processing visa and citizenship of another country.
Ko kan aye mhen

yunqdady:
I will flog you if you don't stop quoting me. Nonsense

Whatever bro, If you Like.claim Ebira.
Who u help?

juman:
Ijebu are not children of oduduwa. He said.

That's fine.
All of us came from Adam and eve.

*Adam and Eve were the ancestors of the Jewish people but NOT the ancestors of the whole world.

1) Oduduwa was NOT a Yoruba man.
There was nothing like Yoruba during his time.

2) Not all Yorubas descended from Oduduwa. In fact, only certain royal families and their extended families descended from Oduduwa.

3) Oduduwa being referred to as the father of the Yorubas is largely a figurative expression.

At best, he was the founder of the largest and most enduring dynasties among those who later formed the Yoruba people.

4) Ile-Ife, Ijero, Ire and several towns in the S/West existed before Oduduwa.

Around 2013, an archeaological excavation just outside Iresi, a small town in Osun State revealed the remnants of a 5000 year old Community.

yunqdady:
They might have a Yoruba root, and Facebook isn't what you should used in judging.
Nothing Yorubaish about their language called Oko. Even Some Ebira bear Yoruba names, does that make them Yoruba?
Only Okun should be called Yoruba but as an Okun boy who has lived in South West before, I chose not to be called Yoruba cos of the tribalistic nature of Yoruba people. They don't know the difference between Ebira and Okun. To them, anybody from Kogi is Ebira and they say that in a condescending manner like you are inferior.
How is Ebira and Okun the same? No similarity. Yet those uninformed tribalistic bigots would open their dirty mouths to talk down on you like they are better. No matter how horrible or poor they are, they automatically have this energy to feel superior to you. Nonsense.

So why should I associate myself with such stupid people?
I like how Kabba people don't like being called Yoruba. It's Yagba people that you would see claiming Yoruba.
I only fill Yoruba on paper or when I want to avoid explaining.

I think you have a serious inferiority complex.
How would anyone make me feel less 0f my self or disassociate myself from my ethnicity?

I'm of Ikare and Ilorin origin, I speak Ikare dialect and I have had uneducated Yorubas from Oyo and other places try to ridicule me when I speak in Ikare dialect, I don't get offended I only lecture them that Ikare dialect is closer to proto Yoruba than even the Oyo dialect.

Being from Akoko makes it easier to understand Kaba-Okun dialects because we are both eastern Yoruba speakers. In Ondo, Ekiti, Kwara and Osun state no one will mistaken Okun people has Egbira or Igala. They know and acknowledge that they are Yorubas.

Sammy07:
The guy just dey yarn rubbish.
He faced discrimination up to Ijebu people?

They'll say Ijebu are stingy, their wives no dey last in marriage abi na their husband self. Etc

Many years ago, we and ijebu people no dey marry. We believed there can't be two captains in a ship cos we both have Stubbornness.

He never face discrimination up to Ondo/Ijebu people

Most times I speak English, if I speak Yoruba my dialect go show, they'll ask where I am.from, I'll tell them Ondo.
Next thing is, Ah Ondo Aje Aja bla bla. Their girls dey "Do ofo"

Etc, with that I go turn am to laugh that no be some people dey eat snake and Lizard ni etc

He now dey yarn nonsense.
Mtcheeeew

The guy has serious inferiority complex. He doesn't speak for majority of Kogi west people who Yorubas.

I was born in the north and being from Ondo state (though mother from Ilorin) but since I stay and more used to my Ikare side, I tends to speak Ikare dialect more.

You may not know though if I switched to the general Yoruba because I grew up among people from Oyo and Osun state but these groups still find a way to ridicule my Ikare dialect when Is speak it to family men.
I'm not really ashamed to speak the Ikare dialect and I make it a point to explain to them that Ondo,Ekiti,Ijebu and Okun dialects are closer to proto Yoruba language than Oyo dialect that has shown my innovation due to their closeness with Nupes, Borugu etc.

sirwilly5:
You know nothing of the Yoruba's in Kogi. Their language is total different with little similarity to the Yoruba's of the south west.
The Kabba people speak okun while the Amoro people speak yagba.
Same thing with the Igbo in rivers and delta.
Am from Kaduna pls but a constant traveller.
Thank you

You don't fully understand Yoruba language.


Even the Yoruba language spoken by the Indigenes of Atakpame, Togo (Ife-Togo) in the short You-tube video below can be understood by any Yoruba man with deep understanding of the language, how much more a closer dialect like Yagba or Owe dialect spoken in Kogi State.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNc7F2iw0tc




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNc7F2iw0tc

myobjective:
The guy has serious inferiority complex. He doesn't speak for majority of Kogi west people who Yorubas.

I was born in the north and being from Ondo state (though mother from Ilorin) but since I stay and more used to my Ikare side, I tends to speak Ikare dialect more.

You may not know though if I switched to the general Yoruba because I grew up among people from Oyo and Osun state but these groups still find a way to ridicule my Ikare dialect when Is speak it to family men.
I'm not really ashamed to speak the Ikare dialect and I make it a point to explain to them that Ondo,Ekiti,Ijebu and Okun dialects are closer to proto Yoruba language than Oyo dialect that has shown my innovation due to their closeness with Nupes, Borugu etc.

The general Yoruba language is a modification of the dialect of Oyo which because of the legacy of the Oyo Empire was the most widely spoken when the Yoruba orthography were formulated.

It however should be noted that Oyo Empire included non-Yoruba peoples and had close interactions with highest number of other peoples like Nupe, Hausa, Songhai, Malians, Fulani, Ewe and Fon.
In the process , their languages was influenced by all these peoples e.g The now accepted Yoruba name for


Prayer = Adura (old Yoruba= Iwure)

Priest= Alufa (old Yoruba= Abore)

myobjective:
The guy has serious inferiority complex. He doesn't speak for majority of Kogi west people who Yorubas.

I was born in the north and being from Ondo state (though mother from Ilorin) but since I stay and more used to my Ikare side, I tends to speak Ikare dialect more.

You may not know though if I switched to the general Yoruba because I grew up among people from Oyo and Osun state but these groups still find a way to ridicule my Ikare dialect when Is speak it to family men.
I'm not really ashamed to speak the Ikare dialect and I make it a point to explain to them that Ondo,Ekiti,Ijebu and Okun dialects are closer to proto Yoruba language than Oyo dialect that has shown my innovation due to their closeness with Nupes, Borugu etc.

Thank you jare

oyatz:
The general Yoruba language is a modification of the dialect of Oyo which because of the legacy of the Oyo Empire was the most widely spoken when the Yoruba orthography were formulated.

It however should be noted that Oyo Empire included non-Yoruba peoples and had close interactions with highest number of other peoples like Nupe, Hausa, Songhai, Malians, Fulani, Ewe and Fon.
In the process , their languages was influenced by all these peoples e.g The now accepted Yoruba name for


Prayer = Adura (old Yoruba= Iwure)

Priest= Alufa (old Yoruba= Abore)

Thanks for this enlightenment

myobjective:
I think you have a serious inferiority complex.
How would anyone make me feel less 0f my self or disassociate myself from my ethnicity?

I'm of Ikare and Ilorin origin, I speak Ikare dialect and I have had uneducated Yorubas from Oyo and other places try to ridicule me when I speak in Ikare dialect, I don't get offended I only lecture them that Ikare dialect is closer to proto Yoruba than even the Oyo dialect.

Being from Akoko makes it easier to understand Kaba-Okun dialects because we are both eastern Yoruba speakers. In Ondo, Ekiti, Kwara and Osun state no one will mistaken Okun people has Egbira or Igala. They know and acknowledge that they are Yorubas.

You failed with your psycho analysis, I have no inferiority complex.
And to your second paragraph, they don't know. They don't know anything.
They are culturally and historically dumb.

Sammy07:
Whatever bro, If you Like.claim Ebira.
Who u help?

U don chop?
Happy New year

Sammy07:
Abeq leave am, is the whole yagba or whatever it called developed up to Ondo west local government?

We don't force people to join us.

Maybe his or their negative views is why they haven't become a governor in their co owned state.

Nonsense and rubbish

You are are comparing 5 LGA to one local government in Ondo? You are a clown. Download a map today and study.
You can't force me to accept Yoruba tag.
You don't need to.
Majority of Okun people agree they are Yoruba so if a few of us say we aren't, leave us alone.

yunqdady:
You failed with your psycho analysis, I have no inferiority complex.
And to your second paragraph, they don't know. They don't know anything.
They are culturally and historically dumb.

Bro, ignorant people are many in the west and all over Nigeria.

I don't know how old you are but things like that will not really troubled me.
I just showed this our conversation to a friend from Kaba and he just laughed over it.

Yorubaland is up to oworro land in Lokaja and Jebba in kwara. These are Yoruba and will always be Yorubaland no matter what some ignorant Yorubas think