I want someone to enlighten me more on this.

Apparently russia has been in an alliance (CSTO) with some ex-soviet members since 1999. The way US & most EU countries are in NATO alliance

Kazakhstan, who is a close ally with Russia, in CSTO & also shares border with them are currently undergoing a crisis.

Violent protests sprung up days ago. Shops had been looting, airports have been looted, the presidential building & mayor's office have all been seized by hoodlums. About 9 policemen had been killed with 2 even being beheaded! 400+ security agents are in hospital beds.

The Kazakhstan president seeing that he's about to be overwhelmed, decided to ask for help from CSTO.

Russia sent peacekeepers to help restore calm in Kazakhstan!.

Now, the European union have started accusing russia of breaching Kazakhstan's sovereignty!

Is there something I'm missing here? Kazakhstan president asked its sworn ally for help in Combating the terrorists attacks going on in her borders.

Russia sent troops after ONLY being invited by Kazakhstan's leader. So how did russia breach their sovereignty?

Let's say Latvia or other NATO countries are suffering from terrorism, then ask help from the United States. If the United States replies, would the EU accuse them of what they're currently accusing russia?

Also, how would they react if Russia pops outta nowhere and starts accusing us or UK of going into another Nato member country?
To my knowledge, they would ask russia to mind her business!

So why now are the European states trying to dictate how CSTO is run?

Emae009

The tom and jerry world politics continues.

MangekyoAlt:
Emae009

while I don't see any source..

ATM all I know of the crisis is that increase in price of LGP led to protests. The government trying to contain the protest led to riot. A normal behavior in any society.

Then the government as it is common with pro Russian allies is accusing outside force (a.k.a the west) of causing the problem instead of solving it.

They asked their ally for help and Russia has obliged.
That's all I know for now. maybe you can point to where the EU is shouting interference for me

emae009:


while I don't see any source..

ATM all I know of the crisis is that increase in price of LGP led to protests. The government trying to contain the protest led to riot. A normal behavior in any society.

Then the government as it is common with pro Russian allies is accusing outside force (a.k.a the west) of causing the problem instead of solving it.

They asked their ally for help and Russia has obliged.
That's all I know for now. maybe you can point to where the EU is shouting interference for me

read towards the end of the article... EU literally told Russia to not interfere... Were they interfering in the first place? No, they were invited
Kazakhstan did not accuse the west! Their president only said they had external help, he didn't mention the west...
It is russia that blamed the USA. the US denied already, but it could be true so we leave that at that.....

Bck to my question.... Can russia tell the USA to respect the sovereignty of other Nato states; not moving troops to help even when they are in need of it? Would they, as well as you, not tell them to shut the hell up and mind their fůcking damn businesses since they're not in the alliance?

Emae009

MangekyoAlt:


read towards the end of the article... EU literally told Russia to not interfere... Were they interfering in the first place? No, they were invited
Kazakhstan did not accuse the west! Their president only said they had external help, he didn't mention the west...
It is russia that blamed the USA. the US denied already, but it could be true so we leave that at that.....

Bck to my question.... Can russia tell the USA to respect the sovereignty of other Nato states; not moving troops to help even when they are in need of it? Would they, as well as you, not tell them to shut the hell up and mind their fůcking damn businesses since they're not in the alliance?

EU is not NATO.

emae009:


EU is not NATO.

Did I say EU is Nato? No.
I said most EU countries are in Nato. If the US did what russia did by sending troops to help an ally in need, would they condemn the US and even lie that they're breaching the sovereignty of the state they're helping?

Western countries have a hand in the matter
Why don’t EU leaders say something about France and Holland that was hot.

Some Terrorists already entered Kazakh because the president want to be friendly toward Western countries and he open the borders for them

MangekyoAlt:

Did I say EU is Nato? No.
I said most EU countries are in Nato. If the US did what russia did by sending troops to help an ally in need, would they condemn the US and even lie that they're breaching the sovereignty of the state they're helping?

Same EU and NATO that bombed Libya to Stone Age
Same EU countries that destroyed Iraq and Syria

emae009:


EU is not NATO.

There are just six EU countries that are not part of NATO. They are Austria, Cyprus, Finland, Ireland, Malta, and Sweden.

olugabbie:


There are just six EU countries that are not part of NATO. They are Austria, Cyprus, Finland, Ireland, Malta, and Sweden.

who do una dz kind thing??

so does that make the European Union the North Atlantic Treaty Organization

it's 2022, apply some sense before engaging in a discussion

emae009:


who do una dz kind thing??

so does that make the European Union the North Atlantic Treaty Organization

it's 2022, apply some sense before engaging in a discussion

When NATO said if Russia invades Ukraine, it will respond. What do you think NATO was talking about? They are talking about economic sanctions. NATO can not place economic sanctions on Russia. It is the EU that will install & activate the sanctions. So the two work together for a course.

I hope i have been able to boost your IQ.

olugabbie:


When NATO said if Russia invades Ukraine, it will respond. What do you think NATO was talking about? They are talking about economic sanctions. NATO can not place economic sanctions on Russia. It is the EU that will install & activate the sanctions. So the two work together for a course.

I hope i have been able to boost your IQ.

I have written and deleted like 5 replies now and then it dawn on me, why bother reply someone who thinks EU and NATO are the same thing.
Good luck tho

emae009:


I have written and deleted like 5 replies now and then it dawn on me, why bother reply someone who thinks EU and NATO are the same thing.
Good luck tho

Where did i mention that NATO & EU are the same? I only said the two confederations work together. EU does not has it own military wing. It relies on NATO. The two are not the same. But they depend on each other. You need to develop the ability to read and comprehend.

olugabbie:


Where did i mention that NATO & EU are the same? I only said the two confederations work together. EU does not has it own military wing. It relies on NATO. The two are not the same. But they depend on each other. You need to develop the ability to read and comprehend.

just like my Russian foe MangekyoAlt. You guys have the same pattern of presenting your response.

Here's the comment you replied to:
EU is not NATO

and your reply was
There are just six EU countries that are not part of NATO. They are Austria, Cyprus, Finland, Ireland, Malta, and Sweden.

from my own school of thought that implies that both organization are similar a.k.a the same because that was the bone of contention with regards to the comment.

So since I need to develop the ability to read and understand. Can you explain what you meant by that??
or as with you guys, you'll spin and spin and spin

olugabbie:


When NATO said if Russia invades Ukraine, it will respond. What do you think NATO was talking about? They are talking about economic sanctions. NATO can not place economic sanctions on Russia. It is the EU that will install & activate the sanctions. So the two work together for a course.

I hope i have been able to boost your IQ.

emae009:


I have written and deleted like 5 replies now and then it dawn on me, why bother reply someone who thinks EU and NATO are the same thing.
Good luck tho

He's 100% right stop being arrogant.
Ask yourself. Can NATO implement the sanction it would mete upon russia without the EU? no. NATO & EU aren't the same, but EU nations make up most of NATO. also Nato is run by the US irrespective of what you think. Which is why French president macron called for the EU to develop its own joint military, strengthen their economic ties one that doesn't rely on NATO which is just a fancy name for US and lapdogs....

Emae009.... Until the EU build their own army, they will always remain a lapdog to the NATO which is a fancy name to the US & maybe UK

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46108633.amp

MangekyoAlt:




He's 100% right stop being arrogant.
Ask yourself. Can NATO implement the sanction it would mete upon russia without the EU? no. NATO & EU aren't the same, but EU nations make up most of NATO. also Nato is run by the US irrespective of what you think. Which is why French president macron called for the EU to develop its own joint military, strengthen their economic ties one that doesn't rely on NATO which is just a fancy name for US and lapdogs....

You do know it's tiring to explain something that's so clear for a layman to see.

You guys keep wailing about sanctions. Can NATO implement sanctions? really? when sanctions are done on either individual or collective level. Like what do you guys actually know. so we can start from there.
Argentina is being sanctioned by Britain (pre-Brexit) that doesn't mean any other European countries can't sell military Gadgets to them as long as a British component isn't in it. So is that a NATO sanction or EU sanction?
When the US sanctioned Huawei, was it carries across board? No. Each individual country implemented their own sanction.
Same with China. As the US turned their attention to China, how many EU countries have they carried along? Isn't that why they're forming new alliances all over Asia?

it's 2022 abeg... I don't have strength for draining issues that's clear to see.

NATO is an organization that was created for the defense of Europe and North America.

EU is an organization of European countries that cater to their economic needs.

Sanctions in most cases are done on individual levels except in special cases.

Jeez!

emae009:


You do know it's tiring to explain something that's so clear for a layman to see.

You guys keep wailing about sanctions. Can NATO implement sanctions? really? when sanctions are done on either individual or collective level. Like what do you guys actually know. so we can start from there.
Argentina is being sanctioned by Britain (pre-Brexit) that doesn't mean any other European countries can't sell military Gadgets to them as long as a British component isn't in it. So is that a NATO sanction or EU sanction?
When the US sanctioned Huawei, was it carries across board? No. Each individual country implemented their own sanction.
Same with China. As the US turned their attention to China, how many EU countries have they carried along? Isn't that why they're forming new alliances all over Asia?

it's 2022 abeg... I don't have strength for draining issues that's clear to see.

NATO is an organization that was created for the defense of Europe and North America.

EU is an organization of European countries that cater to their economic needs.

Sanctions in most cases are done on individual levels except in special cases.

Jeez!

U dey talk nonsense well well oo man.
Did USA tell you that they're gonna sanction individuals if russia invades Ukraine?

No they would target Russia's commercial banks, business firms, oil sale as well as arms etc. And that cannot be implemented without the EU.

The last time Turkey purchased weapons from Russia, they were sanctioned by the US and here you are saying a cOuNtRy In NaTo CaN cHoOsE nOt To iMpLeMeNt It. Give me a break.

If USA sanctions any country, the EU would implement it. That would remain so untill all EU countries leave NATO and that would only happen when they man up and stop relying on the USA/NATO for everything including their own security & defence!

MangekyoAlt:


U dey talk nonsense well well oo man.
Did USA tell you that they're gonna sanction individuals if russia invades Ukraine?

No they would target Russia's commercial banks, business firms, oil sale as well as arms etc. And that cannot be implemented without the EU.

The last time Turkey purchased weapons from Russia, they were sanctioned by the US and here you are saying a cOuNtRy In NaTo CaN cHoOsE nOt To iMpLeMeNt It. Give me a break.

If USA sanctions any country, the EU would implement it. That would remain so untill all EU countries leave NATO and that would only happen when they man up and stop relying on the USA/NATO for everything including their own security & defence!

does what you even say make sense to you?
Guy, man to man sometimes to the reply you, it takes almost everything in me to stay civil.
I said individual country and here you are talking about persons. Like how do you read. You just rush to reply.

First you guys say EU is the sanctioning arm of NATO. in what universe does that even make sense to any intelligent being?
When sanction is done by each individual country.
Maybe you should read up the EU and NATO first before writing whatever it is you're writing. Jeez.

As it is common with you, when you know your position is exposed. instead of shutting up, you'll spin and spin and spin and still end up saying what doesn't make sense.

I asked you once before if you knew anything about international trade and as usual you were quick to display your prowess of knowing nothing. International trades are done in dollars which is why the US is able to sanction countries and businesses unilaterally. But if they want it to be super effective, they will strong armed their allies to implement the same ban.
It doesn't mean if the US ban, other automatically follows. They ask or coerced (anyone that works for you).
Also if a business is under US restrictions and it has money in a bank that's owned by a corporation that is owned by another corporation that merged with a US corporation. Because a US company is involved even by the 4th tier of ownership, that money can and may be confiscated under Financial Act.

so abeg, if you want to spin and spin around again. You're free. I ain't following you to debate senseless rambling anymore

emae009:


does what you even say make sense to you?
Guy, man to man sometimes to the reply you, it takes almost everything in me to stay civil.
I said individual country and here you are talking about persons. Like how do you read. You just rush to reply.

First you guys say EU is the sanctioning arm of NATO. in what universe does that even make sense to any intelligent being?
When sanction is done by each individual country.
Maybe you should read up the EU and NATO first before writing whatever it is you're writing. Jeez.

As it is common with you, when you know your position is exposed. instead of shutting up, you'll spin and spin and spin and still end up saying what doesn't make sense.

I asked you once before if you knew anything about international trade and as usual you were quick to display your prowess of knowing nothing. International trades are done in dollars which is why the US is able to sanction countries and businesses unilaterally. But if they want it to be super effective, they will strong armed their allies to implement the same ban.
It doesn't mean if the US ban, other automatically follows. They ask or coerced (anyone that works for you).
Also if a business is under US restrictions and it has money in a bank that's owned by a corporation that is owned by another corporation that merged with a US corporation. Because a US company is involved even by the 4th tier of ownership, that money can and may be confiscated under Financial Act.

so abeg, if you want to spin and spin around again. You're free. I ain't following you to debate senseless rambling anymore

I didn't read your epistle.
Meanwhile, let me ask your empty skull..... Since in your first comment you claimed any country in Nato can choose not to implement sanctions from the USA on other countries.
Tell me why the United States sanctioned turkey for purchasing weapons from a russia. ......... I hear they're putting up sanctions for India since they recently traded with russia too though some senior US diplomats are against it because they need India too for China.

Try to go straight to the point..... not this incoherent, long epistles you keep dropping for whoever you think might read them

MangekyoAlt:


I didn't read your epistle.
Meanwhile, let me ask your empty skull..... Since in your first comment you claimed any country in Nato can choose not to implement sanctions from the USA on other countries.
Tell me why the United States sanctioned turkey for purchasing weapons from a russia. ......... I hear they're putting up sanctions for India since they recently traded with russia too though some senior US diplomats are against it because they need India too for China.

Try to go straight to the point..... not this incoherent, long epistles you keep dropping for whoever you think might read them

How does your question even related to the statement " any country in Nato can choose not to implement sanctions from the USA on other countries"...

but I'm the empty skull right?
no sense, just vibes and inshallah

emae009:


How does your question even related to the statement " any country in Nato can choose not to implement sanctions from the USA on other countries"...

but I'm the empty skull right?
no sense, just vibes and inshallah

How does it relate to the statement?
You're the one who twisted the reply that guy gave without even reading through it to understand. I mean you clearly didn't hence your silly replies.

The guy claimed without the EU, the sanctions that US/NATO mete upon russia wouldn't be implemented. A huge chunk of Russia's oil and gas goes to the EU and the NS 2 contract can be stopped by Germany.

You claimed otherwise yet still arguing that a country can choose not to implement us sanctions on another country.

You know what..... I'm not at home now reason I'm not settling down to reply you....


I'll deal with you when I get home. Thoroughly!

MangekyoAlt:

How does it relate to the statement?
You're the one who twisted the reply that guy gave without even reading through it to understand. I mean you clearly didn't hence your silly replies.

The guy claimed without the EU, the sanctions that US/NATO mete upon russia wouldn't be implemented. A huge chunk of Russia's oil and gas goes to the EU and the NS 2 contract can be stopped by Germany.

You claimed otherwise yet still arguing that a country can choose not to implement us sanctions on another country.

You know what..... I'm not at home now reason I'm not settling down to reply you....


I'll deal with you when I get home. Thoroughly!

like I said, spin and spin and spin and spin.

The same Nordstream 2 pipeline that was sanctioned by Donald Trump administration but reversed by President Joe Biden?

Just like the other guy, I'm sure you guys are related. From trying to imply the EU and NATO are the same to saying the EU is the sanctioning arm of NATO to the US can't apply sanctions effectively without the EU to bringing in Turkey which doesn't make sense to referring to Russia sanctions.

You can continue spinning on your own. You're good at it. Au revoir

emae009:


like I said, spin and spin and spin and spin.

The same Nordstream 2 pipeline that was sanctioned by Donald Trump administration but reversed by President Joe Biden?

Just like the other guy, I'm sure you guys are related. From trying to imply the EU and NATO are the same to saying the EU is the sanctioning arm of NATO to the US can't apply sanctions effectively without the EU to bringing in Turkey which doesn't make sense to referring to Russia sanctions.

You can continue spinning on your own. You're good at it. Au revoir

Alright.....point out to me where he said EU & NATO are the same. I said that too? Aye point or quote it for me. I hope you don't disappoint me

Meanwhile NS2 was reversed by Joe Biden? you make some pretty good joke!
It is only Germany that can reverse NS2 and it isn't even reversed lol. The United States is trying to pressure Germany to halt it but theyre having none of it. Though they've threatened to shut it if russia invades Ukraine. Nice try sharing your fake news with me though