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wirinet:
After Trump's election loss denial, no Republican would concede an election loss ever again. Even if a Republican looses by 99.9%, they would still challenge the election.

That that man could become president, be tolerated as president and even defended passionately by people who call themselves Christians, says a great deal about the sort of world we live in.

wirinet:
After Trump's election loss denial, no Republican would concede an election loss ever again. Even if a Republican looses by 99.9%, they would still challenge the election.

Like when Gavin Newsom recall fell short of the needed vote for an election in California and nobody in the GOP made any qualms about that. Same in New Jersey, the GOP candidate conceded defeat - even when the margin of victory was little, for a deep blue state like NJ.

Spin me something different.

wirinet:
After Trump's election loss denial, no Republican would concede an election loss ever again. Even if a Republican looses by 99.9%, they would still challenge the election.

Has Stacey Abrams conceded that the 2018 Georgia Governorship election was lost and Kemp won fairly?

raumdeuter:
Has Stacey Abrams conceded that the 2018 Georgia Governorship election was lost and Kemp won fairly?

https://www.npr.org/2018/11/16/668737597/georgia-facing-final-deadline-for-ballot-certification-in-governors-race

I don't have the capability to screenshot, but the headline of the link below said she conceded. I don't think she challenged the election.

"Stacey Abrams Concedes To Brian Kemp In Georgia's Governor Race
November 16, 2018 4:33 PM ET"

Enugurangers:
https://www.npr.org/2018/11/16/668737597/georgia-facing-final-deadline-for-ballot-certification-in-governors-race

I don't have the capability to screenshot, but the headline of the link below said she conceded. I don't think she challenged the election.

"Stacey Abrams Concedes To Brian Kemp In Georgia's Governor Race
November 16, 2018 4:33 PM ET"

From the same link you posted has this

ABRAMS: Let's be clear. This is not a speech of concession because concession means to acknowledge an action is right, true or proper. As a woman of conscience and faith, I cannot concede that. But my assessment is the law currently allows no further viable remedy

Enugurangers:
https://www.businessinsider.com/stacey-abrams-concedes-to-brian-kemp-in-the-georgia-governors-race-2018-11

This is last December

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/03/politics/stacey-abrams-concession-2018-georgia/index.html

raumdeuter:
From the same link you posted has this

ABRAMS: Let's be clear. This is not a speech of concession because concession means to acknowledge an action is right, true or proper. As a woman of conscience and faith, I cannot concede that. But my assessment is the law currently allows no further viable remedy

First paragraph:

But Abrams also said she would "pray for the success of Brian Kemp that he will indeed be a leader of all Georgians."

Trump offered some praise for Abrams on Friday evening: "Stacey Abrams fought brilliantly and hard - she will have a terrific political future!"

In a statement on Friday evening, Kemp, who previously called Abrams' refusal to concede "a disgrace to democracy" and a "temper tantrum," said he looked forward to moving past the divisive race.



She put up a fight then conceded.

Enugurangers:
First paragraph:

But Abrams also said she would "pray for the success of Brian Kemp that he will indeed be a leader of all Georgians."

Trump offered some praise for Abrams on Friday evening: "Stacey Abrams fought brilliantly and hard - she will have a terrific political future!"

In a statement on Friday evening, Kemp, who previously called Abrams' refusal to concede "a disgrace to democracy" and a "temper tantrum," said he looked forward to moving past the divisive race.



She put up a fight then conceded.

what date did she concede because articles as recent as last year shows she hasnt conceded

https://www.wsj.com/articles/notable-quotable-stacey-abrams-refuses-to-concedea-year-later-11605134058

Enugurangers:
First paragraph:

But Abrams also said she would "pray for the success of Brian Kemp that he will indeed be a leader of all Georgians."

Trump offered some praise for Abrams on Friday evening: "Stacey Abrams fought brilliantly and hard - she will have a terrific political future!"

In a statement on Friday evening, Kemp, who previously called Abrams' refusal to concede "a disgrace to democracy" and a "temper tantrum," said he looked forward to moving past the divisive race.



She put up a fight then conceded.

Any quote that Abrams specifically stated she conceded?

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/457934-stacey-abrams-responds-to-rnc-chairwoman-concession-means-to-say-that-the

But they want Trump to concede. Hypocrites.

raumdeuter:
This is last December

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/03/politics/stacey-abrams-concession-2018-georgia/index.html

She accepted that Kemp was bonafide governor. Does Trump agreethat Biden is a bonafide President?

(CNN)Democratic gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams defended herself from criticism that she never conceded her loss to Gov. Brian Kemp in 2018 on Friday, addressing what Republicans have already used against her in her newly announced 2022 rematch against Kemp.

Abrams, in the wake of her 2018 loss to Kemp by 1.4 percentage points, ACKNOWLEDGED that Kemp, who then worked as Georgia secretary of state, would be the governor of Georgia. But she specifically said in her final speech that she was not concede due to persistent voter suppression allegations, adding that conceding would mean acknowledging "an action is right, true or proper" and "as a woman of conscience and faith, I cannot concede that."

During an interview with CNN's "New Day" on Friday, Abrams said Kemp "won under the rules of the game at the time, but the game was rigged against the voters of Georgia."

"I, on November 16, 2018, acknowledged at the top of my speech that Brian Kemp is the governor of Georgia and I even wished him well at the end of the speech," Abrams said. "And in the middle, I talked about the fact we had a system that he managed, that he manipulated, hurt Georgia voters and the responsibility of leaders is to challenge systems that are not serving the people."

Abrams added that she has been "very well aware for three years I am not the governor of Georgia" but that as a citizen of the state she has a "responsibility... to challenge a system that would rob a single voice from being able to be heard if they are eligible."


Even though Abrams lost her 2018 election, the race vaulted her into the upper echelons of the Democratic Party, landing Abrams as one of the top candidates on Biden's vice presidential search. In response, Republicans have attacked the way Abrams ended her campaign, using her lack of a concession as a way to blunt criticism against some of the baseless Republican attacks the party made against election systems in the wake of former President Donald Trump's loss in 2020.
"Abrams didn't want an election loss to get in the way of her ability to leverage her political career into fame and financial success, so she paraded around the country as someone who didn't lose," said Jesse Hunt, spokesman for the Republican Governors Association. "Those lies now sow doubt in every word that comes out of her mouth."
Asked about these attacks on Friday, Abrams said, "Yes, he became the governor, and we have watched him fail for three years."

Enugurangers:
First paragraph:

But Abrams also said she would "pray for the success of Brian Kemp that he will indeed be a leader of all Georgians."

Trump offered some praise for Abrams on Friday evening: "Stacey Abrams fought brilliantly and hard - she will have a terrific political future!"

In a statement on Friday evening, Kemp, who previously called Abrams' refusal to concede "a disgrace to democracy" and a "temper tantrum," said he looked forward to moving past the divisive race.

She put up a fight then conceded.

In the last Virginia elections Terry McAullife of Virginia also said the same thing and claimed voter fraud in Georgia 2018

(CNN)At a rally over the weekend, former Virginia Democratic Gov. Terry McAuliffe did something his party has repeatedly bashed Donald Trump and Republicans for doing: He suggested a past election had been unfairly decided because of ballot shenanigans.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/26/politics/terry-mcauliffe-voter-fraud-stacey-abrams/index.html

Enugurangers:
She accepted that Kemp was bonafide governor. Does Trump agreethat Biden is a bonafide President?

(CNN)Democratic gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams defended herself from criticism that she never conceded her loss to Gov. Brian Kemp in 2018 on Friday, addressing what Republicans have already used against her in her newly announced 2022 rematch against Kemp.

Abrams, in the wake of her 2018 loss to Kemp by 1.4 percentage points, ACKNOWLEDGED that Kemp, who then worked as Georgia secretary of state, would be the governor of Georgia. But she specifically said in her final speech that she was not concede due to persistent voter suppression allegations, adding that conceding would mean acknowledging "an action is right, true or proper" and "as a woman of conscience and faith, I cannot concede that."

During an interview with CNN's "New Day" on Friday, Abrams said Kemp "won under the rules of the game at the time, but the game was rigged against the voters of Georgia."

"I, on November 16, 2018, acknowledged at the top of my speech that Brian Kemp is the governor of Georgia and I even wished him well at the end of the speech," Abrams said. "And in the middle, I talked about the fact we had a system that he managed, that he manipulated, hurt Georgia voters and the responsibility of leaders is to challenge systems that are not serving the people."

Abrams added that she has been "very well aware for three years I am not the governor of Georgia" but that as a citizen of the state she has a "responsibility... to challenge a system that would rob a single voice from being able to be heard if they are eligible."


Even though Abrams lost her 2018 election, the race vaulted her into the upper echelons of the Democratic Party, landing Abrams as one of the top candidates on Biden's vice presidential search. In response, Republicans have attacked the way Abrams ended her campaign, using her lack of a concession as a way to blunt criticism against some of the baseless Republican attacks the party made against election systems in the wake of former President Donald Trump's loss in 2020.
"Abrams didn't want an election loss to get in the way of her ability to leverage her political career into fame and financial success, so she paraded around the country as someone who didn't lose," said Jesse Hunt, spokesman for the Republican Governors Association. "Those lies now sow doubt in every word that comes out of her mouth."
Asked about these attacks on Friday, Abrams said, "Yes, he became the governor, and we have watched him fail for three years."

How is the part in bold different from what Trump has always said

Enugurangers:
She accepted that Kemp was bonafide governor. Does Trump agreethat Biden is a bonafide President?

How can she agree that Kemp is a bonafide governor yet claims the election was rigged and she refused to concede

Below is Trump also acknowledging that Biden would be sworn in

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/07/trump-for-first-time-acknowledges-new-administration-will-take-office-jan-20.html

raumdeuter:
How can she agree that Kemp is a bonafide governor yet claims the election was rigged and she refused to concedeBelow is Trump also acknowledging that Biden would be sworn in

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/07/trump-for-first-time-acknowledges-new-administration-will-take-office-jan-20.html

Okay.

Let us agree that they are both sore losers then.

They are both wrong but it appears, one party is now in the business of not conceding than the other.

Enugurangers:
Okay. Let us agree that they are both sore losers then.

Yes both are sore losers but the difference is that one side is screaming about Trumps while they have done the same

They are screaming about Trump not conceding while they are refusing to concede Georgia almost 4yrs later

They are shocked that Trump claimed voter fraud against him in 2020 while Abrams and McAuliffe are alleging elections was rigged in Georgia 2years earlier

Which party will that be? You mean the party of McAuliffe and Abrams?

ono:
The one thing that has distinguished Trump - from other presidents (like Obama de o dumber), is that he doesn't like to chicken out, especially when he's got hard evidence that a crime has been committed.

Take for example, the Russian Hoax saga, the Ukrainian president's phone call saga, the stolen election of 2016 (Russian puppet) etc etc. Trump said all those were fabricated lies against him and his office. Over time, and with a little effort on his part (Special Counsel Durham), he's been proven right - all the time.

Why will his claim that the presidential election of 2020 was rigged be different?

What are the odds that he's lying and cannot be trusted? What has he got to lose? He's a wealthy man already - a septuagenarian who should be resting and enjoying his wealth.

There is an audit trail convincing enough for me to believe him. The election was rigged.

Audit trail? Like thousands of dead people voting? Voting machine switching votes? More votes than registered voters? Bamboo ballots?
Ono, proofing voter fraud is not rocket science! If I label you a thief and keep repeating it, does that make you one? But, Trumpism is a disease that has infected a lot of people. So, I understand your plight.

raumdeuter:
Yes both are sore losers but the difference is that one side is screaming about Trumps while they have done the same

They are screaming about Trump not conceding while they are refusing to concede Georgia almost 4yrs later

They are shocked that Trump claimed voter fraud against him in 2020 while Abrams and McAuliffe are alleging elections was rigged in Georgia 2years earlier

Which party will that be? You mean the party of McAuliffe and Abrams?

Party of Abrams is sure not the one chasing useless audit up and down. Fighting themselves (Arizona GOP vs Trump GQP). They are not the one riling people up to stop the steal or try to assassinate the Vice President or smear poop in the Congress.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-video-shows-capitol-mob-calling-for-the-death-of-the-vice-president-plaskett-says

I know which side are more reasonable.

raumdeuter:
Has Stacey Abrams conceded that the 2018 Georgia Governorship election was lost and Kemp won fairly?

Stacey did not concede, therefore Trump should not concede! Classic Trumpism!

Enugurangers:
Party of Abrams is sure not the one chasing useless audit up and down. Fighting themselves (Arizona GOP vs Trump GQP). They are not the one riling people up to stop the steal or try to assassinate the Vice President or smear poop in the Congress.

Party of Abrams at a campaign event in a different state was still re-echoing rigging in Georgia which are unfounded like the Trumps claim

The same Vice President is a Republican and he certified the election

Konkoja:
Stacey did not concede, therefore Trump! should not concede! Classic Trumpism!

Stacey did not concede, what has the party done about it? But they are riled that Trump did not concede

raumdeuter:
Party of Abrams at a campaign event in a different state was still re-echoing rigging in Georgia which are unfounded like the Trumps claim

Hahahaha. Address my "useless audit" point, GQP vs GOP, assassination attempt at the VP, smearing poop in the capitol, invading the capitol e.t.c.

That's sure not party of Abrams.

Enugurangers:
Hahahaha. Address my useless audit point, GQP vs GOP, assassination attempt at the VP, smearing poop in the capitol, invading the capitol

So the VP that certified the election, the Secretary of States Raffenseberger that certified election in georgia which party do they belong to?

You first came saying Stacey conceded until you now saw that she is as bad a loser as Trump now on another run of whataboutism

raumdeuter:
So the VP that certified the election, the Secretary of STates that certified election in georgia which party do they belong to?

VP eventually Certified but at what cost?
You are like an ostrich buring it's head in the sand. Well-done!

Was Georgia invaded by the Dems to stop the steal?Were there countless audit in Georgia?

Was there an assassination attempt at any member of the Georgia legislature?

It's clear for all to see that one party is just an agbero (tout) while the other are more reasonable. QED

Which side would you be on? Your choice

Enugurangers:
VP eventually Certified but at what cost?
You are like an ostrich burning it's head in the sand. Well-done!

Was Georgia invaded by the Dems to stop the steal, were the members. Were there countless audit in Georgia?
Was there an assassination attempt at any member of the Georgia legislature?

At what cost? The Republican VP certified the election that Trump lost.

So what will you call someone who was so sure that Stacey conceded just 30mins ago

Enugurangers:
It's clear for all to see that one party is just an agbero (tout) while the other are more reasonable. QED

Which side would you be on? Your choice

Both parties have candidates who questioned election results and alleged rigging in recent times

One is being hypocritical about it

Konkoja:
Stacey did not concede, therefore Trump! should not concede! Classic Trumpism!

Stacey did not invade Georgia with MAGAts cultists but Trump invaded Washington DC

Stacey did not bring touts to smear poop but Trump did

Stacey did not shout stop the steal and encouraged touts to try and stop the certification but Trump did

We could go on and on....

From the desk f Hilary Clinton

Suddenly Democrats care about conceding elections

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/hillary-clinton-says-biden-should-not-concede-2020-election-under-n1238156

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/513527-hillary-clinton-biden-should-not-concede-under-any-circumstances

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election/hillary-clinton-joe-biden-donald-trump-us-election-2020-a9688361.html

raumdeuter:
From the desk f Hilary Clinton

Suddenly Democrats care about conceding elections

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/hillary-clinton-says-biden-should-not-concede-2020-election-under-n1238156

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/513527-hillary-clinton-biden-should-not-concede-under-any-circumstances

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election/hillary-clinton-joe-biden-donald-trump-us-election-2020-a9688361.html

So you only read headlines?

Enugurangers:
Stacey did not invade Georgia with MAGAts cultists but Trump invaded Washington DC

Stacey did not bring touts to smear poop but Trump did

Stacey did not shout stop the steal and encouraged touts to try and stop the certification but Trump did

We could go on and on....

I can't believe there is debate on conceding election. But, that is how low Trump pulled reasoning. Anything that has to do with him, reason takes it leave!