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aribisala0:
It is not a question of wrong or right.
Let us not couch it in terms of "nothing wrong" .That is not the issue.
There is nothing wrong with the name Mohammed but you cannot just wake up and tell me that is my name, can you?
If you make such an announcement and I reject it why blame me ?
Trying to stigmatize those who rejected it is just wrong and irrational

Geoduck Jonathan did not have the authority to do that and so if anyone was guilty of politics he was.
Many of us do not believe that Universities should be named after individuals at all and of course there are those who have different opinions. But those who really appreciate University cultures appreciate this simple fact.

If such an idea was being contemplated then it should have been done following due process. To just wake up one day and make such an announcement in public embarrassed the University stakeholder and set a very bad precedent if not unchallenged.
Such a thing does not have to be a Top Down decision as we had during the military governments. In a democracy you have to consult people before taking decisions.

The president of Nigeria doesn't have the power to change a name of of a Federal University fully created and funded by the FG?

Yes he can't name Lasu but he can change the name of UNILAG after proper consultation which I am sure was done ...The SW west under Tinubu made it a duty to reject any good plan by Jonathan.

The rejected his plan to make a SW woman Speaker .

They rejected Fuel Subsidy removal

It's was all just dirty politics

SarkinYarki:
The president of Nigeria doesn't have the power to change a name of of a Federal University fully created and funded by the FG?

Yes he can't name Lasu but he can change the name of UNILAG after proper consultation which I am sure was done ...The SW west under Tinubu made it a duty to reject any good plan by Jonathan.

The rejected his plan to make a SW woman Speaker .

They rejected Fuel Subsidy removal

It's was all just dirty politics

Actually he does not have the power. That is the truth
There is no need for a long essay
If you do not know educate yourself.

Can he change the name of the country or of Lagos state,INEC,NYSC,NNPC or the Nigerian Army without the National Assembly?
Now you say YOU ARE SURE he consulted. Please remind us when HE SENT A BILL for the name change to the National Assembly


There is a law that set up the University which includes its name.
The university was set up by a law ; THE UNIVERSITY OF LAGOS ACT
If the president is interested in changing the name he has to present a bill to the National Assembly and have it pass there then he assents to it

All this insistence on it "was just dirty politics" suggests that you are not wanting to be rational or you have another agenda

SarkinYarki:
The president of Nigeria doesn't have the power to change a name of of a Federal University fully created and funded by the FG?

Yes he can't name Lasu but he can change the name of UNILAG after proper consultation which I am sure was done ...The SW west under Tinubu made it a duty to reject any good plan by Jonathan.

The rejected his plan to make a SW woman Speaker .

They rejected Fuel Subsidy removal

It's was all just dirty politics

Lies are always dispelled by truth

This is the first statement of the University of Lagos Act

(l) There is hereby established a University to be known as the University of Lagos
(in this Act referred to as "the University" to provide courses of instruction and learning
in the facuIties of arts, law, medicine, science, education, commerce and business administration, engineering, and any other faculties which may, from time to time, be approved under this Act.

The last time I checked the president DOES NOT HAVE THE POWER to make laws
He does not have the power to repeal laws
He IS NOT the Federal Government

SarkinYarki:
The president of Nigeria doesn't have the power to change a name of of a Federal University fully created and funded by the FG?

Yes he can't name Lasu but he can change the name of UNILAG after proper consultation which I am sure was done ...The SW west under Tinubu made it a duty to reject any good plan by Jonathan.

The rejected his plan to make a SW woman Speaker .

They rejected Fuel Subsidy removal

It's was all just dirty politics

You really are the one playing politics by telling lies

The truth is that after the announcement students went to court to challenge its lawfulness.


The simple reality is that students prefer their certificates to state University of Lagos rather than MAULAG.

Just admit you are wrong. The President has no such power and the students were right to reject an autocratic and ill conceived change

aribisala0:
You really are the one playing politics by telling lies

The reality is that after the announcement students went to court to challenge its lawfulness.


The simple reality is that students prefer their certificates to state University of Lagos rather than MAULAG.

Just admit you are wrong. The President has no such power and the students were right to reject an autocratic and ill conceived change

The only con about the name change was the brand value , UNILAG had built it's acronym into a brand over the years and changing the name would erode all that gain but aside that the rest complain was nothing but dirty politics

SarkinYarki:
The only con about the name change was the brand value , UNILAG had built it's acronym into a brand over the years and changing the name would erode all that gain but aside that the rest complain was nothing but dirty politics

Do you accept that The president does not have the authority to change the name?

aribisala0:
Do you accept that The president does not have the authority to change the name?

He does have the authority and started the process by announcing his intentions after which was to officially get the NASS to ratify it but being a man that listens to the yearnings of the people Jonathan backed down ..Do you think if it was Buhari he will back down? He will rename it and NASs will rubber stamp into existence

warripekin:
In 2011, Tinubu called Goodluck Jonathan, a drunken fisherman and yorubas on this forum made jest of him and his wife. Well , as we March towards 2023 , those of us from the south- south , will not vote or support an Ewedu - eating - skull miner . We have not forgotten.

https://ng.opera.news › politics
Tinubu Called Jonathan A "Drunken Fisherman", Why Should I Respect ...

1st to do no dey pain O! Na 2nd person own dey pepper pepper well

SarkinYarki:
He does have the authority and started the process by announcing his intentions after which was to officially get the NASS to ratify it but being a man that listens to the yearnings of the people Jonathan backed down ..Do you think if it was Buhari he will back down? He will rename it and NASs will rubber stamp into existence

You are changing the subject
This is not a beer parlour. Who is talking about Buhari?
You made a point just accept that you were clearly ignorant of the legal position and that is why you made that ignorant comment

The president went to the National Assembly after the case was in court challenging his decision
He did not consult anyone publicly before making the announcement

SarkinYarki:
The president of Nigeria doesn't have the power to change a name of of a Federal University fully created and funded by the FG?

Yes he can't name Lasu but he can change the name of UNILAG after proper consultation which I am sure was done ...The SW west under Tinubu made it a duty to reject any good plan by Jonathan.

The rejected his plan to make a SW woman Speaker .

They rejected Fuel Subsidy removal

It's was all just dirty politics

aribisala0:
You are changing the subject
This is not a beer parlour. Who is talking about Buhari?
You made a point just accept that you were clearly ignorant of the legal position and that is why you made that ignorant comment

The president went to the National Assembly after the case was in court challenging his decision
He did not consult anyone publicly before making the announcement

There is no where in the constitution the law says the president must consult publicly before making announcements....Who was he to consult with? Bourdillon? You people hated Jonathan because of dirty politics and now every one is paying for it

SarkinYarki:
There is no where in the constitution the law says the president must consult publicly before making announcements....Who was he to consult with? Bourdillon? You people hated Jonathan because of dirty politics and now every one is paying for it

You are correct and there is nowhere in the constitution it says all announcements by the president will become law
Can he wake up and announce the Renaming of Nigeria?

The simple truth is that this announcement within our law amounted to a legislation or law
THAT IS BEYOND HIS POWERS. He cannot make laws
The law is that the name of the University is "University of Lagos".
The president announced a change of name . He did not announce a Bill
Did he not cancel a convocation ceremony insisting that certificates carry the new name?

The students went to court and got an order stopping him because hs announcement was unlawful

AFTER the case was in court he then went to the Senate which was funny



Who was he to consult ? Consultation can be direct The National Assembly, or indirect via public hearing of the National Assembly The students, alumni and Governing council

How ? by sending a Bill. Sending a Bill is a PUBLIC activity.

He did not do that and the rest is history

aribisala0:
Your first statement is irrelevant. If they did not ignore it what difference does it make.

How is the renaming of OAU or EKSU

IN ANY WAY


related to renaming UNILAG?

How are those two situations related?

There is absolutely no connection or relatedness

The stakeholders were never consulted. So where did Jonathan get the idea that that was something sensible to do or that the stakeholders wanted it. He just woke up and made an announcement for reasons best known to him.

For one, You are a poor student of history. Secondly, the person I quoted understands exactly the context I am pointing out.

https://www.thecable.ng/just-in-fg-renames-federal-university-ebonyi-after-ekwueme/amp

https://silverbirdtv.com/fg-renames-federal-universityoye-ekiti-after-adeyinka-adebayo/

So don't open your mouth anyhow & talk about irrelevance when you don't even know what you are referring to.

Renaming of institutions is not new. Some people in the SW simply didn't want it so that they could continue to push forward the notion that GEJ did nothing for the SW.

It is for similar reasons some people kicked against deregulation then but now those same people are shoving it down the throats of nigerians at even greater 'cost'.

SarkinYarki:
There is no where in the constitution the law says the president must consult publicly before making announcements....Who was he to consult with? Bourdillon? You people hated Jonathan because of dirty politics and now every one is paying for it

https://silverbirdtv.com/fg-renames-federal-universityoye-ekiti-after-adeyinka-adebayo/

https://www.thecable.ng/just-in-fg-renames-federal-university-ebonyi-after-ekwueme/amp


The pronouncements on the two institutions above were made during this administration at public events & heaven did not fall.

Some people are simply myopic in reasoning. Maybe Osinanjo was also drunk when he made the pronouncements on behalf of PMB who was also drunk when he told the VP about it.

ivandragon:
For one, You are a poor student of history. Secondly, the person I quoted understands exactly the context I am pointing out.

https://www.thecable.ng/just-in-fg-renames-federal-university-ebonyi-after-ekwueme/amp

https://silverbirdtv.com/fg-renames-federal-universityoye-ekiti-after-adeyinka-adebayo/

So don't open your mouth anyhow & talk about irrelevance when you don't even know what you are referring to.

Renaming of institutions is not new. Some people in the SW simply didn't want it so that they could continue to push forward the notion that GEJ did nothing for the SW.

It is for similar reasons some people kicked against deregulation then but now those same people are shoving it down the throats of nigerians at even greater 'cost'.

Renaming the university is not DOING SOMETHING FOR THE SW
That is a foolish thing to say

The students did NOT want it they prefer their certificates to say University of Lagos

You do not wake up one day drink kai kai and change the name of a federal university. That is not how it works

YOU are the one who is a poor student of history
OAU was established by the Western Region government of Awolowo's party as a Regional University(NOT a federal one) and it was taken over by the Federal MILITARY GOVERNMENT

It was renamed by a MILITARY GOVERNMENT

There is no relevance or connection to the Unilag situation . Jonathan was not a military Head of State , Unilag was established by the Federal government with no involvement from MKO Abiola so what connection does UNILAG have with Abiola to warrant naming it after him and to do so illegally without consulting anybody

aribisala0:
You are correct and there is nowhere in the constitution it says all announcements by the president will become law
Can he wake up and announce the Renaming of Nigeria?

The simple truth is that this announcement within our law amounted to a legislation or law
THAT IS BEYOND HIS POWERS. He cannot make laws
The law is that the name of the University is "University of Lagos".
The president announced a change of name . He did not announce a Bill
Did he not cancel a convocation ceremony insisting that certificates carry the new name?

The students went to court and got an order stopping him because hs announcement was unlawful

AFTER the case was in court he then went to the Senate which was funny



Who was he to consult ? Consultation can be direct The National Assembly, or indirect via public hearing of the National Assembly The students, alumni and Governing council

How ? by sending a Bill. Sending a Bill is a PUBLIC activity.

He did not do that and the rest is history

Show me where your party sent bill in both cases below ...when I tell you it's dirty politics I know what I am saying

https://silverbirdtv.com/fg-renames-federal-universityoye-ekiti-after-adeyinka-adebayo/

https://www.thecable.ng/just-in-fg-renames-federal-university-ebonyi-after-ekwueme/amp

aribisala0:
Renaming the university is not DOING SOMETHING FOR THE SW
That is a foolish thing to say

The students did NOT want it they prefer their certificates to say University of Lagos

You do not wake up one day drink kai kai and change the name of a federal university. That is not how it works

YOU are the one who is a poor student of history
OAU was established by the Western Region government of Awolowo's party as a Regional University(NOT a federal one) and it was taken over by the Federal MILITARY GOVERNMENT

It was renamed by a MILITARY GOVERNMENT

There is no relevance or connection to the Unilag situation . Jonathan was not a military Head of State , Unilag was established by the Federal government with no involvement from MKO Abiola so what connection does UNILAG have with Abiola to warrant naming it after him and to do so illegally without consulting anybody

You are just ranting & being silly ( that you have a different opinion does not make another person's foolish)

OAU became a Federal University in 1975 & that it was renamed by the Military is not a substantive issue in this case because a Decree still needed to be enacted.

What connection did MKO have with Abuja National Stadium or Azikiwe with Abuja Airport?

Also, you stylishly ignored the links on the other universities whose name change pronouncements were made in public by this administration.

Where the VP & others also taking kai kai? Who did they consult? The ebonyi university was established by the FG so why rename it if your sub-par logic is to be followed.

Bounceboune7:
let d north keep ruling,even at that yorubas will still b an ally.

If yorubas will cry once,igbos will cry thrice

No problem, as long as u get the same treatment you meted to others

SarkinYarki:
Show me where your party sent bill in both cases below ...when I tell you it's dirty politics I know what I am saying

https://silverbirdtv.com/fg-renames-federal-universityoye-ekiti-after-adeyinka-adebayo/

https://www.thecable.ng/just-in-fg-renames-federal-university-ebonyi-after-ekwueme/amp

My party?

Which is my party?

Changing the subject will not work with me
I am not having an emotional discussion

Just the facts

Which I have addressed

Having lost that argument your attempt to change the subject will not work

ivandragon:
You are just ranting & being silly ( that you have a different opinion does not make another person's foolish)

OAU became a Federal University in 1975 & that it was renamed by the Military is not a substantive issue in this case because a Decree still needed to be enacted.

What connection did MKO have with Abuja National Stadium or Azikiwe with Abuja Airport?

Also, you stylishly ignored the links on the other universities whose name change pronouncements were made in public by this administration.

Where the VP & others also taking kai kai? Who did they consult? The ebonyi university was established by the FG so why rename it if your sub-par logic is to be followed.

I am not a member or spokesman for this government and bringing up what this government did is a fruitless attempt to change the subject
I do not know what you mean by STYLISHLY open a dictionary
I deliberately ignored diversion tactics.
FOCUS
We are talking of Universities established by law and you are talking of Stadiums and Airports. What is the connection
And you expect me to engage with that foolishness?

I am not a member of this government so clear your head of that foolishness

GEJ made an incompetent attempt to change the name and it failed that is all

The naming of a stadium does not require an Act of the National Assembly

Clearly you are ignorant on how these things work

It is not the prerogative of the president to name a university.

He can say it as a suggestion
But Jonathan thought he could bulldoze it through and clearly was ignorant of how to go about it

That is why the students took him to court and he LOST

He churlishly cancelled a convocation ceremony insisting certificates bear the new illegal names

How come of all the name changes of university in our history this is the ONLY ONE that was resisted?

aribisala0:
I am not a member or spokesman for this government and bringing up what this government did is a fruitless attempt to change the subject
I do not know what you mean by STYLISHLY open a dictionary
I deliberately ignored diversion tactics.
FOCUS
We are talking of Universities established by law and you are talking of Stadiums and Airports. What is the connection
And you expect me to engage with that foolishness?

I am not a member of this government so clear your head of that foolishness

GEJ made an incompetent attempt to change the name and it failed that is all

The naming of a stadium does not require an Act of the National Assembly

Clearly you are ignorant on how these things work

It is not the prerogative of the president to name a university.

He can say it as a suggestion
But Jonathan thought he could bulldoze it through and clearly was ignorant of how to go about it

That is why the students took him to court and he LOST

He churlishly cancelled a convocation ceremony insisting certificates bear the new illegal names

How come of all the name changes of university in our history this is the ONLY ONE that was resisted?

Lol.

You are empty. If you don't know what is termed comparative analysis, then stop exposing your emptiness in a public forum.

You talk about the pronouncement of one administration being based on 'kai kai' but are mute on the other pronouncements.

You are not a spokesman for the current administration, yet, you have taken it upon yourself to insinuate the previous administration made a pronouncement under the influence of alcohol, but feign ignorance when that action is juxtaposed against a more recent & similar pronouncement.

ivandragon:
Lol.

You are empty. If you don't know what is termed comparative analysis, then stop exposing your emptiness in a public forum.

i know comparative ignorance when I see it

aribisala0:
i know comparative ignorance when I see it

So what is the difference made by the previous & present administrations on name changes as regards universities?

ivandragon:
So what is the difference made by the previous & present administrations on name changes as regards universities?

I do not operate in a binary world . The flip side of my issue is not what the previous administration did? I am not THEM. Why ask me and what has that got to do with ME or THIS.


It was a uuseful learning opportunity all round , for the thoughtful.

That is the problem with a unitary system.
We have DIFFERENT values across the country . We do not believe such decisions should be done in that way. and many found it offensive enough to go to court.

That is MY issue that it was UNLAWFUL . It is not my duty to speak on behalf of anyone if you ask me who I go ask?

aribisala0:
I do not operate in a binary world . The flip side of my issue is not what the previous administration did? I am not THEM. Why ask me and what has that got to do with ME or THIS.


It was a uuseful learning opportunity all round , for the thoughtful.

That is the problem with a unitary system.
We have DIFFERENT values across the country . We do not believe such decisions should be done in that way. and many found it offensive enough to go to court.

That is MY issue that it was UNLAWFUL . It is not my duty to speak on behalf of anyone if you ask me who I go ask?

Then why insert yourself in a discuss when you do not understand the discussion? The context of my comment to the person I quoted was well understood by that person.

In my comment you responded to ab initio, I clearly said GEJ should have followed due process, but making the public pronouncement was not wrong.

You were the one alluding to an inebriated state when he made the pronouncement & I provided facts showing that making a pronouncement is not wrong & it has even been done recently.

But you seemed bent on dragging the discuss just to prove a point that empirical evidence has shown is flawed. The pronouncement was not unlawful, what should have been done was to make moves to actualize the pronouncement.

vedaxcool:
The same GEJ that called Yoruba Leaders Area boys? Whether your bitterness like it or not, power is going back to the West, the bitterness you showed towards PMB didn't stop him, today the same bitterness you show to Tinubu, if PYO declares you will still show him the same bitterness, it is ingrained in your DNA, incapable of escaping bitterness and hatefulness!

You are just an angry mooslim fanatic, nothing more.

DubaiLandLord2:
You're inconsequential

All what you say online does not matter in Nigeria election.

Have you been drafted yet or still selling face masks at swagga events. From bmc to tmc .

ivandragon:
Then why insert yourself in a discuss when you do not understand the discussion? The context of my comment to the person I quoted was well understood by that person.

In my comment you responded to ab initio, I clearly said GEJ should have followed due process, but making the public pronouncement was not wrong.

You were the one alluding to an inebriated state when he made the pronouncement & I provided facts showing that making a pronouncement is not wrong & it has even been done recently.

But you seemed bent on dragging the discuss just to prove a point that empirical evidence has shown is flawed. The pronouncement was not unlawful, what should have been done was to make moves to actualize the pronouncement.

Not every criticism of Jonathan has to be seen through the prism of Buhari or assuming that all critics must be Buhari supporters .That is idiocy
Look at the title of the thread to see where inebriation entered the discourse
NOTE THE SPELLING OF DISCOURSE ( NOT DISCUSS)
My contribution is merely factual where facts are being distorted

The pronouncement was unlawful to the extent that GEJ tried to implement it by force. So he did try to actualize it by further offensive and incompetent behaviour like insisting that the next convocation proceed with certificates with the new name leading to the cancellation of the convocation.

aribisala0:
Not every criticism of Jonathan has to be seen through the prism of Buhari or assuming that all critics must be Buhari supporters .That is idiocy
Look at the title of the thread to see where inebriation entered the discourse
NOTE THE SPELLING OF DISCOURSE ( NOT DISCUSS)
My contribution is merely factual where facts are being distorted

The pronouncement was unlawful to the extent that GEJ tried to implement it by force. So he did try to actualize it by further offensive and incompetent behaviour like insisting that the next convocation proceed with certificates with the new name leading to the cancellation of the convocation.

You keep using words such as 'foolish' 'idiocy' simply because you have no point to make. It makes you seem emotionally unstable.

Again, you addressed MY comment to another person without knowing the CONTEXT of my comment to that person. That alone indicates your inability to properly situate issues within context.

You hold positions that are not based on facts & when facts are provided, you keep showing how ungrounded you are in critical reasoning. Where is the evidence that GEJ refused to approve the Convocation ceremony because of the proposed name change?

https://www.informationng.com/2013/01/convocation-graduates-to-receive-unilag-certificate-vc.html

https://www.channelstv.com/2012/06/06/jonathan-seek-senates-approval-to-rename-unilag/

Again, there was nothing wrong in the pronouncement made by GEJ in his speech, the same way the FG recently made pronouncements on others.

Note that All Muslim who're fanatics and Terrorists to you people WILL NEVER vote an Igbo candidate.


To the topic, GEJ campaigning at Adamasingba Ibadan in 2011 CALLED AND REFERRED Yorubas in AC as thugs and touts.

He insulted us in our land, Heaven didn't fall.

BeardedmeatR:
You are just an angry mooslim fanatic, nothing more.

MASTAkiLLAh:
When God wants to fight your battles, it'll surprise you the way things start happening. Tinubu and his urchins fought GEJ to a standstill simply for coming from a minority tribe yet the useless bigot wants to become president of Nigeria I dey laugh because he called GEJ a drunken fisherman out of the air yet we all know who has a drug record (even though he struck a plea deal) in America and as far as I'm concerned, it's better to be a detribalized drunken fisherman than to be a tribalistic entity with a drug past (?)

#OSINBAJO2023

Stop deceiving yourself with that osinbade2023 rubbish. Na Tinubu 2.0 be dat.

Bounceboune7:
let d north keep ruling,even at that yorubas will still b an ally.

If yorubas will cry once,igbos will cry thrice

E good like that, as long as you are not allowed to jump queue. No yoruba man in aso rock in 2023.

Bounceboune7:
between a Yoruba man n an igbo man,which one do u think a northerner will prefer to hand power over to?

Between a fulani camel and an ewedu bayerabe, who do you think the north will vote in 2023?