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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by 12large1: 5:16am On Jan 30, 2022
Starboytwo:
hmmm, well, do you know something, I actually thought about something recently, I was reading transfer rumors the other day and I saw Jonathan David, the guy Lille bought as replacement for osihmen and was linked to a few top clubs, I already seen his football and comparably osihmen trumps him, however he is highly rated by the media and I know cuz he’s Canadian, Anyways.

1-Definitely Napoli will ask above 100 million

Although, your number 2 assertion is not wrong, but I believe consistent top class performance from him which I expect barring any “mumu” injury crisis will make at least EPL clubs to grab him. Added the advantage of insigne and Mertens imminent departures, the mantle of scoring goals automatically fall on him. If na goal, any type, leg, head, shot, 1 on 1 I trust osihmen.

I might also add the fact that, generally, African strikers tend to blow in Europe than any other departments. Nobody will ignore a 23-25 year old Tall, clinical, powerful and fast goal scorer. Etoo, drogba are legends.

About koulibaly, well I don’t know why the guy no comot for there since, maybe age factor, who gonna pay 100 mill for a 29 year old black man from Senegal, but the guy better pass maguire 80 million….

I hope osihmen cross over to the EPL in a season or two ASAP, he can comfortably cut it at west ham, Everton, Aston villa etc even at this erratic form, not to talk of top form. Kindly check Osihmen’s form and movement pre injury.

If he isn’t going to a top 4 team in Epl, there’s no point signing for a mid table team.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 5:19am On Jan 30, 2022
Barryseal:


Out of curiosity, what really makes you think Osimhen is better than Jonathan David? He replaced Osimhen in Lille and helped them win Ligue 1 last season. Currently he is the top goal scorer in the French league with 13 goals half way through the season. The same number of goals Osimhen scored the season he was sold. What exactly sets Osimhen apart from him?
I think we over estimate our players so much to the detriment of the competition, it's almost disrespectful at times.

Seems like you forgot that Osimhen only season with Lill was cut short due to the covid-19 pandemic... He ended the season as 4th top scorer in the league and Lille top scorer in all competition with 18 goals...

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Tessyy1701: 5:29am On Jan 30, 2022
Mujtahida:

I don't understand how issues are analysed here. Under Rohr we played drab football, anywhere-belleface football and lost to CAR and other low ranking teams.

Under Eguavoen, in just 3 weeks, we played just the normal Nigerian football. Nothing spectacular about it yet after we lost, the narrative - and the mockery from zuchyblink - is that we lost because we played champagne ghen ghen football but you overlook the fact that the champaign football took us to the 2nd round.

That match against Tunisia is the ugliest football we played at the AFCON. It was the most unchampagne like football we played at this Afcon. It was as if the team was channeling it inner Rohr spirit. Rachety, tetchy, broken football.

I know we lost but there's a promise in this team if we do not let that defeat to define this moment. Will Eguavoen learn nothing like Rohr learnt nothing if he stays five years on the job?
Two years contract won't be bad.

At the bolded, just leave Him for good. Some people are just like that even when they see some positive in a thing, in as much as it's not their preferred candidate that is there it is nothing.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Tessyy1701: 5:34am On Jan 30, 2022
Odunayaw:
Two trolls giving themselves support.

Joyous

I just think people should learn not to reply them.. ko worth è rara

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Tessyy1701: 5:35am On Jan 30, 2022
jihday:
for number 1 you are correct but for number 2 you are not correct. You mean if salah is ready to leave Liverpool today, nobody will pay close to 100mill for him?

He is African, He will spend all His life in Liverpool grin

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by codemaniacs: 5:54am On Jan 30, 2022
Mujtahida:

I don't understand how issues are analysed here. Under Rohr we played drab football, anywhere-belleface football and lost to CAR and other low ranking teams.

Under Eguavoen, in just 3 weeks, we played just the normal Nigerian football. Nothing spectacular about it yet after we lost, the narrative - and the mockery from zuchyblink - is that we lost because we played champagne ghen ghen football but you overlook the fact that the champaign football took us to the 2nd round.

That match against Tunisia is the ugliest football we played at the AFCON. It was the most unchampagne like football we played at this Afcon. It was as if the team was channeling it inner Rohr spirit. Rachety, tetchy, broken football.

I know we lost but there's a promise in this team if we do not let that defeat to define this moment. Will Eguavoen learn nothing like Rohr learnt nothing if he stays five years on the job?
Two years contract won't be bad.

Eguavoen changed his tactics against Tunisia to be defensive, instead of sticking to his strong method which is attacking football and pressing football... He showed Tunisia too much respect maybe due to the fact that in 2004 he lost to Tunisia and then Okoye's error messed his defensive plan up...

Nigeria does not need a coach who changes tactics due to the opposition they are playing or what happened in the past between S.E coach and the opposition team.

How are you sure Eguavoen won't play defensive against Ghana or play the inner Rohr spirit. Rachety, tetchy, broken football they played against Tunisia

If Eguavoen retains the job then he should stick to attacking football from the 1st half till the final whistle is blowned...

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by kingphilip(m): 6:18am On Jan 30, 2022
andrewbaba44:


I Might be wrong about the hate and jealousy talk

But abeg reason am self
Na him teach am now.

How you want make him reason am.

No be him say Osimhen no go see any youth club go for England before?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by kingphilip(m): 6:24am On Jan 30, 2022
Beloved03:


Eguavon was taken to the cleaners too easily by the Tunisian team. It was glaring that the wings were not working.

But then like you said, he barely had time to prepare for the AFCON and there honestly has not been enough games to assess him with.

The problem is that if he continues and qualifies us for the world cup, it would be a risk because we don't have enough info on his technical capability based on the few games. We only know that he can set the team up to play adventorous football.

To be honest I would rather we draft in Peseiro after Egu qualifies us. At least Peseiro is a proven coach with some pedigree. That way we would be reducing the risk of having an unassessed coach lead us to the world cup.
So how will you assess the Peseiro?

With the world cup proper?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by kingphilip(m): 6:33am On Jan 30, 2022
Barryseal:


Out of curiosity, what really makes you think Osimhen is better than Jonathan David? He replaced Osimhen in Lille and helped them win Ligue 1 last season. Currently he is the top goal scorer in the French league with 13 goals half way through the season. The same number of goals Osimhen scored the season he was sold. What exactly sets Osimhen apart from him?
I think we over estimate our players so much to the detriment of the competition, it's almost disrespectful at times.
Just to tell you that the bold is not entirely correct.

The season wasn't completed so you can't call it the season as if it is the entire season.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Daninya33: 6:45am On Jan 30, 2022
Samuel Kalu started as a midfielder but now plays as a Winger.

Who knows,he may be the no 10 we all have been looking for!
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by drDoom3(m): 6:57am On Jan 30, 2022
Barryseal:


Out of curiosity, what really makes you think Osimhen is better than Jonathan David? He replaced Osimhen in Lille and helped them win Ligue 1 last season. Currently he is the top goal scorer in the French league with 13 goals half way through the season. The same number of goals Osimhen scored the season he was sold. What exactly sets Osimhen apart from him?
I think we over estimate our players so much to the detriment of the competition, it's almost disrespectful at times.

Osimhen is better.

Remember, Osimhen didn't finish his season at Lille because of COVID. Lille played only 28 games out of 38. That was his first and only season. He scored 13 goals with 5 assists in 27 games, finishing as the 4th highest goalscorer in the entire league.

David has been at Lille for two seasons. His first season was when Lille won Ligue 1. David had the same 13 goals, but with 3 assists and across 37 games. That's 10 more games to get similar stats. In fact, Lille's highest goalscorer Yilmaz had only 16 goals in the entire season. Technically, Victor performed better in 3/4th of a season in his first season at Lille than David did in his full first season. That's pure stats, not even going to off the ball stuff like pressures, aerial duels won, hold up play etc.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:02am On Jan 30, 2022
Barryseal:


Out of curiosity, what really makes you think Osimhen is better than Jonathan David? He replaced Osimhen in Lille and helped them win Ligue 1 last season. Currently he is the top goal scorer in the French league with 13 goals half way through the season. The same number of goals Osimhen scored the season he was sold. What exactly sets Osimhen apart from him?
I think we over estimate our players so much to the detriment of the competition, it's almost disrespectful at times.

Starboytwo:
I saw Jonathan David, the guy Lille bought as replacement for osihmen and was linked to a few top clubs, I already seen his football and comparably osihmen trumps him,

You clearly missed the point. You are talking about goals but there is more to a striker than goals. Starboytwo is clearly talking of playing style and you are talking of goals.

He feels Osimhen offers more in play than Jonathan David after watching both players.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:18am On Jan 30, 2022
codemaniacs:


Eguavoen changed his tactics against Tunisia to be defensive, instead of sticking to his strong method which is attacking football and pressing football... He showed Tunisia too much respect maybe due to the fact that in 2004 he lost to Tunisia and then Okoye's error messed his defensive plan up...

Nigeria does not need a coach who changes tactics due to the opposition they are playing or what happened in the past between S.E coach and the opposition team.

How are you sure Eguavoen won't play defensive against Ghana or play the inner Rohr spirit. Rachety, tetchy, broken football they played against Tunisia

If Eguavoen retains the job then he should stick to attacking football from the 1st half till the final whistle is blowned...

It is called game management. It was not a defensive tactic but a mid-block. If you go gung-ho against a side good at keeping the ball, you play into their game.

He kept a midblock meaning you press when the ball gets into the mid-zone.

Also, to keep the player fit for a high press in the second half. In the second half, you will watch the clock and increase the press as time ticks.

However, that goal spoilt the Dynamics but did not ruin the plan.

To me, that was sound strategic planning.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by nelszx: 7:27am On Jan 30, 2022
jihday:
was Chuks actually canceled? I think he wasn’t just good enough, shouldn’t have started the game IMO
Yeah he was just like Simon. There are always 2 zonal markers on him and someone waiting behind them. That's what they did all game long. I guess that was what preempted Iwobi sub
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 7:31am On Jan 30, 2022
fabyom:
All the great sides utilize wing play. It's normal in football. It's not as if the 94 team invented it. Counter attacking football has bested the best of teams and managers. Without the red card and lack of quality upfront we would have won. Now Oshimen and Dennis will be back why hire a man selling groceries in Portugal for the past 2 years when you have a man that understands the game.
I am for Eguavoen continuing. If Rohr was given 5 years, why not give Eguavoen a run of time rather than baulk under this defeat. It's all about nurturing the potential we have all seen into something potent and lethal

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 7:33am On Jan 30, 2022
Joebie:
We lost that game because Tunisia resorted to capitalizing on only where they saw a gap. Our defenders were on task but they were not playing compact. So the coach instructed to shoot wherever there is a gap. Unfortunately we had a keeper not tested enough to be ready for that surprise. The Tunisian's were LUCKY because as soon as they switched to that tactics, it payed off immediately. We were a goal down before we could respond to a switch in their play. On the hand what Eguavoen had in the store for them would have worked but for the unfortunate incident of Iwobi. Overall, I would say that we missed our most lethal strikers. Osimhen would have proved a great threat from the middle considering his work rate. It would have been hard for any team to handle his threat as well as what Simon brings from the wings. What SE needs now is dynamism. If we can bring that to full force we are good to go even to the WC. Like I said before I like Eguavoen's pressing phylosophy, bring on Amuneke to give you the needed mix. You must also study your opponent and not rely solely on your pattern of play.

Well said bro. At least he has an idea of how he wants the team to play unlike Rohr.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joezinho: 7:43am On Jan 30, 2022
Barryseal:


Out of curiosity, what really makes you think Osimhen is better than Jonathan David? He replaced Osimhen in Lille and helped them win Ligue 1 last season. Currently he is the top goal scorer in the French league with 13 goals half way through the season. The same number of goals Osimhen scored the season he was sold. What exactly sets Osimhen apart from him?
I think we over estimate our players so much to the detriment of the competition, it's almost disrespectful at times.

Was it not here they said Osimhen is a better player than Cavani today? Sometimes the best thing to do is read and ignore..
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 7:52am On Jan 30, 2022
Starboytwo:
hmmm, well, do you know something, I actually thought about something recently, I was reading transfer rumors the other day and I saw Jonathan David, the guy Lille bought as replacement for osihmen and was linked to a few top clubs, I already seen his football and comparably osihmen trumps him, however he is highly rated by the media and I know cuz he’s Canadian, Anyways.

1-Definitely Napoli will ask above 100 million

Although, your number 2 assertion is not wrong, but I believe consistent top class performance from him which I expect barring any “mumu” injury crisis will make at least EPL clubs to grab him. Added the advantage of insigne and Mertens imminent departures, the mantle of scoring goals automatically fall on him. If na goal, any type, leg, head, shot, 1 on 1 I trust osihmen.

I might also add the fact that, generally, African strikers tend to blow in Europe than any other departments. Nobody will ignore a 23-25 year old Tall, clinical, powerful and fast goal scorer. Etoo, drogba are legends.

About koulibaly, well I don’t know why the guy no comot for there since, maybe age factor, who gonna pay 100 mill for a 29 year old black man from Senegal, but the guy better pass maguire 80 million….

I hope osihmen cross over to the EPL in a season or two ASAP, he can comfortably cut it at west ham, Everton, Aston villa etc even at this erratic form, not to talk of top form. Kindly check Osihmen’s form and movement pre injury.

100 million was rejected for a 28 year old koulibally ,take note
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Barryseal: 8:01am On Jan 30, 2022
TheGoodJoe:




You clearly missed the point. You are talking about goals but there is more to a striker than goals. Starboytwo is clearly talking of playing style and you are talking of goals.

He feels Osimhen offers more in play than Jonathan David after watching both players.
Even in playing style, Jonathan David is a renound team player, he fights for the team. He has about 5 assits this season and he is ambidextrous. The only 2 footed player I have seen since Santi Carzola. So what playing style are you really talking about?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 8:04am On Jan 30, 2022
kingphilip:

Just to tell you that the bold is not entirely correct.

The season wasn't completed so you can't call it the season as if it is the entire season.

He said he is the top goal scorer already this season with just half way ,he is 2nd top scorer sha

Lille has played 22 games and osimhen played 27 games then
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 8:04am On Jan 30, 2022
Daninya33:
Samuel Kalu started as a midfielder but now plays as a Winger.

Who knows,he may be the no 10 we all have been looking for!

Stop this your number 10 obsession abeg

Una no Dey tire ?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 8:06am On Jan 30, 2022
Joezinho:


Was it not here they said Osimhen is a better player than Cavani today? Sometimes the best thing to do is read and ignore..

cheesy cheesy

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 8:10am On Jan 30, 2022
elyte89:
On d issue of osimhen commanding a 100million transfer fee or not,at d moment it's not possible,judging by his current output..not taking away d injury issues he faced though.

Only few players can get 100million and above transfer fee at d moment..dt vhlalovic abi wetin b d guy name, dts really in form was sold 4 71million euros or so smiley

Vlahovic no currently command 100 million Na osimhen ?

Lol

Funny people
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Barryseal: 8:10am On Jan 30, 2022
kingphilip:

Just to tell you that the bold is not entirely correct.

The season wasn't completed so you can't call it the season as if it is the entire season.
If you go about it that way, Jonathan David currently has the same goal and assists as Osimhen at the same point the season Osimhen played. So how is Osimhen better than him?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 8:15am On Jan 30, 2022
drDoom3:
I never though I would ever say this, but the smartest decision Arsenal can make right now is to sign Paul Onuachu, for a multitude of reasons.

1) Has every quality Vlahovic they were chasing for so long has, just less sleek. He has the height and strength, the hold up play, the link up with midfield, decent pace, excellent finishing. Only difference is Vlahovic carries the ball a bit better and is more fluid in his movement.

2) Cheap. Arsenal will get him for 25m max.

3) Temporary solution. It will be almost impossible to sign any big name striker in January (Vlahovic was a special case, he wanted to leave). Auba and Nketiah are out, Laca is struggling with fitness. Arsenal need a striker now, else their season is as good as done. Isak, David, Osimhen and co. can't leave their clubs fighting for UCL in January. Solution: Sign a cheap but proven goalscorer who is still not too old and can deputize when the real big boy comes in.

4) He's an Arsenal fan.

Vlahovic doesn’t just wanted to leave but Fiorentina wanted to sell

A player that was purchased for 1.9 million euros was sold for 75 million euros and he replacement was bought from FC Basel for 15 million euros

Cool business grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Barryseal: 8:16am On Jan 30, 2022
drDoom3:


Osimhen is better.

Remember, Osimhen didn't finish his season at Lille because of COVID. Lille played only 28 games out of 38. That was his first and only season. He scored 13 goals with 5 assists in 27 games, finishing as the 4th highest goalscorer in the entire league.

David has been at Lille for two seasons. His first season was when Lille won Ligue 1. David had the same 13 goals, but with 3 assists and across 37 games. That's 10 more games to get similar stats. In fact, Lille's highest goalscorer Yilmaz had only 16 goals in the entire season. Technically, Victor performed better in 3/4th of a season in his first season at Lille than David did in his full first season. That's pure stats, not even going to off the ball stuff like pressures, aerial duels won, hold up play etc.

Jonathan David wasn't the main striker last season. Thank God you mention Burak Yilmaz who was the main striker while Jonathan was the second striker and evn played in midfield at times till this season, when Jonathan played ahead of Yimaz.
We can roll back the years to their time in Belgium where Jonathan David (23) recorded more goals in Belgium than Osimhen(20). So when you say Osimhen is better, I want to know the metric used to assess and find him better.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 8:28am On Jan 30, 2022
Danielnino00:


I've never preferred Okoye as first choice goalkeeper.. Akepyi and Okoye clearly have the same confidence issue when they put on the GWG, unlike at their clubsides...
Why? It's a terrible defect cos it never goes away.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by zuchyblink(m): 8:34am On Jan 30, 2022
Tunisia Lost to Mali, Gambia and BF without scoring a goal but almighty ghen ghen football fell to a dead team. Before the BF match I called Tunisia a dead team and that is what they are.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:43am On Jan 30, 2022
Barryseal:

Even in playing style, Jonathan David is a renound team player, he fights for the team. He has about 5 assits this season and he is ambidextrous. The only 2 footed player I have seen since Santi Carzola. So what playing style are you really talking about?

Now you are talking with respect to the point raised. That is what I am drawing your attention to. He talked about playing style and you talked about goals.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 8:47am On Jan 30, 2022
Mujtahida:

Why? It's a terrible defect cos it never goes away.

I'm really wondering... Part of the reason could be due to our goalkeeping coaching department... Maybe it's time for Alloy Agu to quit that role...

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Barryseal: 8:52am On Jan 30, 2022
TheGoodJoe:


Now you are talking with respect to the point raised. That is what I am drawing your attention to. He talked about playing style and you talked about goals.
The first thing you compare strikers with are goals before looking at other things. Alvaro Morata would have been classified as world class and potential Balon dor contender if strikers weren't judged on goals.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:06am On Jan 30, 2022
Mujtahida:

Why? It's a terrible defect cos it never goes away.


If Eguavoen continues, he needs to make a hard choice. I know Alloy Agu used to be a teammate, and number one goalkeeping choice at one time with the Super Eagles, however, goalkeepers make or break teams.

Sometimes, I wonder what would have been of Mancini at Manchester City, if he did not have Joe Hart performing at that level.

Eguavoen needs to know we need a goalkeeper coach that will work with the team scouts to find three high-grade keepers. They must not come from clubs in Europe or America. They could come from the local leagues. We should scout academies in Europe and locally.

Donnarumma was 16 years old when he made his debut for AC Milan. So the spread should be wide.

Eguavoen needs to insist on this, three to five names. If indigenous, they can start camping locally earlier than when the squad arrives but we need to treat the goalkeeping role seriously if we are to achieve something from this generation of footballers.

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