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oteneaaron:
Islam, Christianity and Judaism are all brothers from the same father - Abraham.

So what are you saying?

Yes Islam is grooming extremism right now, but when you study the old testament, the Hebrews didn't do any different.

Pillaging, conquering, and taking over other people's lands.

Read history and find out what Christians did during the Crusade(s).

The main problem is RELIGION as a whole, and not just Islam.

Do christians kill like the Islams? Do they oppress or persecute others for what they belief? No.

Steep:
On what basis evil defined in atheism? Non!

For an atheist life is meaningless and he/she is a product of atomic arrangement and interaction so nothing is really evil.

There is nothing like evil in athesim.

The concept of evil is from religion not atheism.

You don't need a religion to tell you what's evil or not..

Stop being an ignorant person...

FERNANDEZISBACK:
You don't need a religion to tell you what's evil or not..

Stop being an ignorant person...

You are very ignorant! not surprising,

You don't give deep thoughts to your words you follow impulse.

Tell me what makes something wrong or right?

Mind you the foundation of atheism is there is no God, all things are foudatmentally atoms and subatomic particles interacting.

Steep:
You are very ignorant! not surprising,

You don't give deep thoughts to your words you follow impulse.

Tell me what makes something wrong or right?

Mind you the foundation of atheism is there is no God, all things are foudatmentally atoms and subatomic particles interacting.

Why do you have a conscience kiddo?
Stop bringing your nonsense to my mention..

We've had religion for over 75,000 years, and yet crime is still a thing..religious people still commit crimes. ..
which is a moral compass and which guides us and indicates to us what is right or wrong.

We are limited by our perception of a situation or conditions.. If we misjudge events we may do something wrong without realising it. But whether it is right or wrong really depends on our motivation which will bring our conscience into play..

Tell your pastor he is a clown for not activating your brain..

Steep tell me who's the ignorant one now..
A baby boy like you who can't think for himself..

Dumbo is really trying to say religion is what's gonna guide you to know your right from wrong..

Next time think and don't ever bring your religious brainlessness to my mention..

Truvelisback:
U always quote out of point. By the way, is it necessary u write this long epistle just to prove ur point?

Please explain why JEHOVAH (YAHWEH) ordered the Israelites to kill people from other nations and take over their lands without my loooooong epistle!
Instead of glorifying God for the way they were silenced you want to criticize me, shey?
Abeg answer them!

MaxInDHouse:
Please explain why JEHOVAH (YAHWEH) ordered the Israelites to kill people from other nations and take over their lands without my loooooong epistle!
Instead of glorifying God for the way they were silenced you want to criticize me, shey?
Abeg answer them!

God is Sovereign. He chose to give and Bless whosever He chose to give or Bless. That's why He is God. He is unquestionable.

Who are you calling kiddo?
Goat brain! Answer my question.
Atheism has no moral compass, no basis for morality.
You mention conscience, maybe you should explain why conscience is there in the first place, if there is no God?
Answer the question, if we are nothing but atoms and subatomic particles interaction
1. What is then determine what is right or wrong?
2. What is conscience, why is there conscence?

FERNANDEZISBACK:
Why do you have a conscience kiddo?
Stop bringing your nonsense to my mention..

We've had religion for over 75,000 years, and yet crime is still a thing..religious people still commit crimes. ..
which is a moral compass and which guides us and indicates to us what is right or wrong.

We are limited by our perception of a situation or conditions.. If we misjudge events we may do something wrong without realising it. But whether it is right or wrong really depends on our motivation which will bring our conscience into play..

Tell your pastor he is a clown for not activating your brain..

@ bolded hahahahaha, you think I am one of those romance section guys you always insult so that you get away with stupidity. This is religious section, we don't do jokes or romance here, things are serious.
@ Bolded
1. You said "We are limited by our perception of a situation or conditions.. If we misjudge events we may do something wrong without realising it."

What you are saying is morality depends on your perception, right? What forms that perception?

Carnibals eat people, don't they have conscience? Yes, but yes to them eating humans is right and normal, so according to you it is OK since morality is subjective.

Again you said we can misjudge events and do something wrong without realizing it, which means our conscience is not reliable.

How do we realise something is wrong? What make something wrong, how did our conscience come to know something is wrong or right? Answer the question
Note insults ain't bringing you out, Don't bother

The second half on the bolded, again you said morality is dependent on our motivation, lol provided our conscience is OK with it right?
The man that rapes a woman, is motivated to do it and his conscience tells him it is right because he believes the woman should be for him.
So how do you solve your confusion

When you are done ranting, answer the questions?
You are a kid not an adult, you think this is romance section?

FERNANDEZISBACK:
Steep tell me who's the ignorant one now..
A baby boy like you who can't think for himself..

Dumbo is really trying to say religion is what's gonna guide you to know your right from wrong..

Next time think and don't ever bring your religious brainlessness to my mention..

Truvelisback:
God is Sovereign. He chose to give and Bless whosever He chose to give or Bless. That's why He is God. He is unquestionable.

Well that's your own God not our own God JEHOVAH!
Abraham QUESTIONED Him! Genesis 18:23-24
Moses QUESTIONED Him! Exodus 3-4
Habakkuk QUESTIONED Him! Habakkuk 1:13

That's why he sent us out as his lawyers to answer all questions faithless people ask about Him {Isaiah 43:10-12} and Jesus said God will support us with His active force! Luke 12:12

We know how to defend the words of our own God! 1Peter 3:15

MaxInDHouse:
Well that's your own God not our own God JEHOVAH!
Abraham QUESTIONED Him! Genesis 18:23-24
Moses QUESTIONED Him! Exodus 3-4
Habakkuk QUESTIONED Him! Habakkuk 1:13

That's why he sent us out as his lawyers to answer all questions faithless people ask about Him {Isaiah 43:10-12} and Jesus said God will support us with His active force! Luke 12:12

We know how to defend the words of our own God! 1Peter 3:15

When i mean question, i mean question His authority. Stop twisting the Truth.

Steep:
Who are calling kiddo?
Goat brain! Answer my question.
Atheism has has no moral compass, no basis for morality.
You mention conscience, maybe you should explain why conscience is there in the first place, if there is no God?
Answer the question, if we are nothing but atoms and subatomic particles interaction
1. What is do you determines what is right or wrong?
2. What is consequence, why is it there?



@ bolded hahahahaha, you think I am one of those romance section guys you always insult so that you get away with stupidity. This is religious section, we don't do jokes or romance here, things are serious.
@ Bolded
1. You said "We are limited by our perception of a situation or conditions.. If we misjudge events we may do something wrong without realising it."

What you are saying is morality depends on your perception, right? What forms that perception?

Carnibals eat people, don't they have conscience? Yes, but yes to them eating humans is right and normal, so according to you it is OK since morality is subjective.

Again you said we can misjudge events and do something wrong without realizing it, which means our conscience is not reliable.

How do we realise something is wrong? What makes something wrong, how did our conscience come to know something is wrong or right? Answer the question
Note insults ain't bring you out, Don't bother

The second half on the bolded, again you said morality is dependent on our motivation, lol provided our conscience is OK with it right?
The man that rapes a woman, is motivated to do it and his conscience tells him it is right because he believes the woman should be for him.
So how do you solve your confusion

Every human was born with the instinct to differentiate evil and good and you don't need a religion to define that or tell you..

Coming to why people committ crime when they have a conscience..most people who commit evil are mentally deranged or do it out of curiosity and other reason best known to them not their absence of religion in their life.

Does that make them lack conscience?
How does that makes religion involved?
Or are there no pastors Killin and raping women on a steady basis?why did their religion not direct them?

You really misinterpreted all my points...

Steep:
When you are done ranting, answer the questions?
You are a kid not an adult, you think this is romance section?

My comment is available..

Steep come in here pls let's thrash this out tonight cos I might not have that time and energy to reply you tomorrow..

Truvelisback:
When i mean question, i mean question His authority. Stop twisting the Truth.

If you don't know that what those people were asking is tantamount to QUESTIONING the authority of their God then i'm sorry for you?

FERNANDEZISBACK:
Every human was born with the instinct to differentiate evil and good and you don't need a religion to define that or tell you..

Lolol are you telling me a baby knows how to differentiate between good and evil? Where does conscience come from?

Coming to why people committ crime when they have a conscience..most people who commit evil are mentally deranged or do it out of curiosity and other reason best known to them not their absence of religion in their life.

Do you know the meaning of mentally deranged? Who determines what a crime is, and on what basis?
are you sure you are not the one that is mentally deranged?

Does that make them lack conscience?
How does that makes religion involved?
Or are there no pastors Killin and raping women on a steady basis?why did their religion not direct them?

you have still
not define conscience? what forms conscience?

You really misinterpreted all my points...

clarify yourself! What you are saying is that morality is determine by conscience?
You assume everyone's conscience are the same? Which every make it more miraculous, because in nature you don't find two things exactly alike!
The summary of the question
1. What is conscience?
2. Do you even think that people's conscience might be different hence might have different morality?
3 what forms conscience where does the code come from?

Steep:
Lolol are you telling me a baby knows how to differentiate between good and evil? Where does conscience come from?

Do you know the meaning of mentally deranged? Who determines what a crime is, and on what basis?
are you sure you are not the one that is mentally deranged?


you have still
not define conscience? what forms conscience?

clarify yourself! What you are saying is that morality is determine by conscience?
You assume everyone's conscience are the same? Which every make it more miraculous, because in nature you don't find two things exactly alike!
The summary of the question
1. What is conscience?
2. Do you even think that people's conscience might be different hence might have different morality?
3 what forms conscience where does the code come from?

I will be addressing the summarised part aiit cos the questions are all buffed up in my face..it's nice you summarised them..here we go..
1.i think of it(conscience) as one's automatic sense of morality...It does exist but is developed over a period of time and life experiences..In every day life a person must make thousands of decisions and judgments and to make one such decision without the use of one's conscience could take days of conscious thinking and integrating that is why we need a conscience...Over a period of time your conscious thought about right and wrong become integrated into your subconscious sense of morality making many types of decisions practically automatic...

2.Conscience is an exceptionally coherent level of consciousness..one where dissonant aspects have all been resolved...As such it offers us a clear-eyed view of things..a perspective from which we can discover wisdom which is right from wrong..

3.Conscience forms as a result of what empathy allows or disallows...
Consciousness is being aware you have emotions... simple..
I hope they are understood..

FERNANDEZISBACK:
I will be addressing the summarised part aiit cos the questions are all buffed up in my face..it's nice you summarised them..here we go..
1.i think of it(conscience) as one's automatic sense of morality...It does exist but is developed over a period of time and life experiences..In every day life a person must make thousands of decisions and judgments and to make one such decision without the use of one's conscience could take days of conscious thinking and integrating that is why we need a conscience...Over a period of time your conscious thought about right and wrong become integrated into your subconscious sense of morality making many types of decisions practically automatic...

It is buffed up in your face because you usually go out of point!
So much words but no answers.
Where does that automatic sense of morality come from?
How can you say conscence is automatic yet it is developed through life experiences and over a period of time, you are contradicting yourself.
You make use of your conscience right? That is not my question where does conscience come from?
If you develop conscience what and what are the basis of conscience development?
Do you even think at all?
What if the rapist conscience is developed differently from yours? What makes you think his own conscience is bad while yours is right?
Carnibals eat people, what if their conscience developed different from yours?
What is the basis of knowing right conscience and wrong conscience? Answer the question

2.Conscience is an exceptionally coherent level of consciousness..one where dissonant aspects have all been resolved...As such it offers us a clear-eyed view of things..a perspective from which we can discover wisdom which is right from wrong..

what defines this coherent level of consciousness? Oh because Ferdinanzisback says so? Who make you the universal determinant of what is coherent or not?

3.Conscience forms as a result of what empathy allows or disallows...
Consciousness is being aware you have emotions... simple..
I hope they are understood..

What is empathy? What makes empathy good or bad?
In essence you are saying morality is dependent on feeling.
Lol
So much for atheism reasoning.
Truly the fool said there is no God

MaxInDHouse:
Well only Jehovah's Witnesses can defend this with efficacy, if you don't study our book (Bible) with us you can't silence all these atheists!
Let me help you out:
JEHOVAH wanted to secure a small portion on this planet to establish pure worship because Satan and his demons have captured all the nations on planet earth so there is no place where pure worship was practiced back then.
So He allowed the Israelites to travel all the way to Egypt and stay there until a seven years famine subsided. Then the King of Egypt decided to enslave the Israelites and JEHOVAH allowed it for 400 years until all the nations on planet earth have heard that the children of Jacob (Israelites) have become permanent slaves to Egyptians.
That's when JEHOVAH now went to Egypt with a representative Moses who is an octogenarian to free the Israelites from the hands of the then most powerful nation on the planet.
Everything that happened served as a warning message to all the nations on this planet that the most powerful God has claimed Israelites are His people.
Going by the system people know back then, the most powerful god secures the greatest army! So once JEHOVAH released his people from Egypt all the nations on this planet have gotten the warning that any place this people are coming to claim must have been according to the will of the Almighty God.
That's why a wise lady (Rahab) begged God's people to spare her life because she's sure that it's this Almighty God who desires those places not the feeble Israelites! Joshua 2:9-13
That's why the inhabitants of Gibeon begged God's people to spare them! Joshua 9:3-21

So if anyone wants to accuse JEHOVAH for the things that happened back then, let him go and find out why God told the Israelites that the places He promised their father Abraham has been surveyed before their release! Deuteronomy 2:19

I understand your point. They fought to take the Land God gave to them. But with all that Jehovah witness know, they are not born again. Why? You don't believe in speaking in tongues. You don't believe in hell which is clearly revealed in the Bible. You have given so many false prophesies. You don't even believe Jesus rose from the dead.

Please, come out from this group so you don't end up in the very hell you deny.

Steep:
It is buffed up in your face because you usually go out of point!
So much words but no answers.
Where does that automatic sense of morality come from?
How can you say conscence is automatic yet it is developed through life experiences and over a period of time, you are contradicting yourself.
You make use of your conscience right? That is not my question where does conscience come from?
If you develop conscience what and what are the basis of conscience development?
Do you even think at all?
What if the rapist conscience is developed differently from yours? What makes you think his own conscience is bad while yours is right?
Carnibals eat people, what if their conscience developed different from yours?
What is the basis of knowing right conscience and wrong conscience? Answer the question


what defines this coherent level of consciousness? Oh because Ferdinanzisback says so? Who male you the universal determinant of what is coherent or not?


What is empathy? What makes empathy good or bad?
In essence you are saying morality is dependent on feeling.
Lol
So much for atheism reasoning.
Truly the fool said there is no God

Outline your questions and stop going back and forth..the debate was do you need religion to tell you what's right or wrong?

I proved you wrong and you never put down a logical statement that it does instead you are trying to cover your cluelessness up by asking series of questions that are already answered..

If this is how you wanna keep jumping around then keep it up..

Truvelisback:
But why didn't they stop the muslims from commenting in the Christian section? That means the NAIRALAND MODERATORS ARE HYPOCRITES.

They should go ahead and comment. The evil words they speak against the Christian faith will stand against them on judgment day. Our Lord Jesus said;

Matthew 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

See cluelessness talking.
My point is not needing religion but God!
God is a necessity! Without God life is meanless, morality is impossible because everyone will simply simply have his or her own morality that further their goal.
I am just laughing at your stupidity! You are like a little child trying to explain complexity.

The conscience in human being was put thereby God. Without God humans would override their conscience any time they feel like. I am sure at a point in your life you have done something against your conscience, it does not mean you were deranged or not normal.

You have not able to provide any explanation for questions because you don't know where it comes and why it is there

FERNANDEZISBACK:
Outline your questions and stop going back and forth..the debate was do you need religion to tell you what's right or wrong?

I proved you wrong and you never put down a logical statement that it does instead you are trying to cover your cluelessness up by asking series of questions that are already answered..

If this is how you wanna keep jumping around then keep it up..

Steep:
See cluelessness talking.
My point is not needing religion but God!
God is a necessity! Without God life is meanless, morality is impossible because everyone will simply simply have his or her own morality that further their goal.
I am just laughing at your stupidity! You are like a little child trying to explain complexity.

The conscience in human being was put thereby God. Without God humans would override their conscience any time they feel like. I am sure at a point in your life you have done something against your conscience, it does not mean you were deranged or not normal.

You have not able to provide any explanation for questions because you don't know where it comes and why it is there

We do have the ability to reason for ourselves not some God..
I repeat how about your pastors committing horrendous crimes?where is their God when they were doing that..did they not do it due to reasons best known to them or they disobeyed their God who gave them the conscience?

FERNANDEZISBACK:
We do have the ability to reason for ourselves not some God..
I repeat how about your pastors committing horrendous crimes?where is their God when they were doing that..did they not do it due to reasons best known to them or they disobeyed their God who gave them the conscience?

Since, you are a product of nothing less or atoms and particles, life is meaningless, morality Is meaningless only what you make it to be.
We back to my first statement atheism has no basis for morality, conscience is meaningless.

Without God you are just a pile of atoms and nothingness, you can be killed, or anything done to you, it is or part of atomic rearrangement

Steep:

Since, you are a product of nothing less or atoms and particles, life is meaningless, morality Is meaningless only what you make it to be.
We back to my first statement atheism has no basis for morality, conscience is meaningless.

Without God you are just a pile of atoms and nothingness, you can be killed, or anything done to you, it is or part of atomic rearrangement

Back to my same statement you don't need any religion to tell you right from wrong..
You can derive morals from empathy and reason alone...it's called basic human decency..

With your God are people not getting killed in thousands around the world..keep joking..
Keep joking around..

FERNANDEZISBACK just proved one thing, she is actually deranged because she thinks her life means something when it means nothing in reality, she just play by emotion, denying reality nature does not follow emotion.

Steep:
FERNANDEZISBACK just proved one thing, she is actually deranged because she things her life means something when it means nothing in reality, she just play by emotion, denying reality nature does not follow emotion.

My comment is available check it out..

FERNANDEZISBACK:
Back to my same statement you don't need any religion to tell you right from wrong..
You can derive morals from empathy and reason alone...it's called basic human decency..

With your God are people not getting killed in thousands around the world..keep joking..
Keep joking around..

Lololo empathy? Why a person have empaty when there is no reason to do so?
You very illogical!
What you are saying is that a man should stand for the sake of standing
What defines decency?
Why should someone has empathy, or morality for what purpose?

You don't know the dilemma you are in!
You have no basis zilch whatsoever to say this is right or this is wrong.

FERNANDEZISBACK:
My comment is available check it out..

your comment is illogical!
Why should you be moral when you can be immoral and make it big?

TruthinAction:
It is good they don't allow Christians to comment in their section because they are intolerant. They are ready to kill just because someone criticized their religion.

I created this thread because i saw this on Front Page "CHRISTIANITY IS SUPPORTING RITUAL KILLINGS".

Steep:
Lololo empathy? Why a person have empaty when there is no reason to do so?
You very illogical!
What you are saying is that a man should stand for the sake of standing
What defines decency?
Why should someone has empathy, or morality for what purpose?

As human beings we are always trying to learn and understand what other living being is experiencing at a given point of time. When we see life we always feel something..this feeling can be more pronounced when we see something innocent...

There is no Human without any feelings...There might be humans hard and strong trained to be heartless and ruthless but they do have a brain a nervous system that makes them to think about there every decision they take during each and every step...


Empathy is one of those feelings that made us human beings...
You can keep running round the block baby boy.. you still don't need God or religion to tell you right or wrong..
Drop another one let me keep quenching you..

Always sounding like your pastor when telling his lies..

FERNANDEZISBACK:
As human beings we are always trying to learn and understand what other living being is experiencing at a given point of time. When we see life we always feel something..this feeling can be more pronounced when we see something innocent...

lololololololol
Other animals feel pain when they are killed but yet it does not stop you from eating meat!
When an innocent chicken is killed, you eat happily, are you aware that evolution says you and chicken has a common ancestor, meaning you kill you distant relative for food. Lololololo

Next

There is no Human without any feelings...There might be humans hard and strong trained to be heartless and ruthless but they do have a brain a nervous system that makes them to think about there every decision they take during each and every step...

but animals have feelings yet we kill them for food, does that not tell you nature does not care about morality or empathy, conscience must therefore come from a higher source.

Empathy is one of those feelings that made us human beings...
You can keep running round the block baby boy.. you still don't need God or religion to tell you right or wrong..
Drop another one let me keep quenching you..

Always sounding like your pastor when telling his lies..

humans are classified as animals how bet a higher one, there is nothing special about humans, since we are just atomic interactions, a product of cosmic accident or programming.

Lolololool
Why should you have morality when you can make it big by being immoral? You are dodhing