Hmm, so they are doing everything to quench the case m, but God will see that family through it is not easy at this point in their life, so touching...

phineas:
Any public outry on this case should be for justice for DOWEN boys now.... Perhaps only medical people see it clearly

MDCN in her regulatory role is the best person's to step into this case cos it's clear to all the first pathologist that was a quack had a strong role to play in the wrong detention of juveniles for something as grevious as a murder charge. How did that even happen.Only a coroner's autopsy should have been allowed for the purpose of their detention but I guess Lagos was afraid of public opinion

I'll try and explain for non medical person's here.You can not say there was signs of aspiration poisoning from things in his stomach due to something swallowed if you did not check in lay men's terms ( the food pipe)

The first thing any clinical student in gastric surgery in Nigeria knows this because Nigerians for some odd reason drink diverse corrosive substances in half hearted protest attempts or by accident.

The first thing it does. Is burn the oesophagus in a chemical poisoning before it affects the tougher overprotected stomach.Many times and in most of the cases the oesophagus( food pipe )is severely affected but not the stomach. So imagine an autopsy that concludes the findings in the stomach is from swallowing without looking at the affect on the oesophagus?

His autopsy was also not recorded? Why? No pictures at the least? If there are he needs to explain himself clearly to a panel.This pathologist and the first Dr that saw this student where lax in their business very lax.

It had far reaching consequences. And the fact that those Drs are still clinging to self survival at the cost of the future of these little kids who always have to explain in future that they had been tried sometime in the past for a murder case is evil. Some of the kids were not even there on said day (3 out of 5)

DOWEN boys must be cleared of that allegation and the state and police pay for it's incompetence.Those Drs must be stripped of their certificates for a period of time they are both a hazard to society

And lastly anyone still dragging DOWEN and DOWEN boy for murder now is complicit.If you have kids fear God

From the medical angle you seem to have a point.
from from let's say the social angle, everything goes mute.
Did Sylvester not have any class mates or school neighbors that the investigators can confirm he was indeed sick?
No one saw Sylvester been sick before his death?
Why does his mouth look peeled? before he died?
I believe some colleague should indeed be able to confirm his health status before he died. yet no such thing as that

when three to four college testimony begin to show consistency then it could amount to some form of evidence coupled with medical test.

We are given little information here, we don't have enough info to really speak much about this cases.
Something isn't right. Just because the story sound like reality does not mean it is.

wirinet:


You are still aggressively defending the school. Are you a member of the Dowen College Board? Now tell me what would Dowen College have done if the patents did not show up or send someone? Would they just watch a student die and then blame the parents for not coming? Look life is sacrosanct and the first impulse in all situations is to save life.

There should always be a guardian at best to respond when a boarding school calls that a child be taken off school premises.

Boarding schools usually have nothing other than a sickbay. So, when a medical condition gets out of hand, they call the guardian (usually parents) to come and take the child away for more comprehensive medical attention.

Why should no one show up in 2 days? That is not the fault of the school.

Even students studying in boarding schools abroad have guardians that can quickly respond to a situation demanding automatic exit from school.

They called the father, the father said he would send someone. Citing minor football injury. No one showed up for 2 days.

Negligence on the part of the parents. In saner climes, they could be in trouble for this.

They then called again, this time in panic, before his father sent his brother to pick him up. By the time the brother got to the school he was shocked at the state of Sylvester.

The school were shocked too, which was why their latest call was made in panic.

He immediately called Sylvester's father back and said this looks more serious than mere football injury.

This was where all the whole misunderstanding began. Prejudging the situation raised the family's suspicion. At that point, nothing Dowen says would ever make sense to the parents.

Prejudgment is serious problem.

This is the point that the father should have ordered that they take the boy to the nearest hospital. But no, he took him home. And this began the series of blunders that led to his eventual death.

I agree.

If Dowen College had taken the boy to the hospital (with the fathers consent of couse) and he died, how would the college be accused of using him for ritual?

I don't suppose any institution will take that risk. That is why they call, and give exits.

Look at how it all began. They called the parents. The uncle came, and immediately prejudged the situation, creating suspicion in the hearts of the parents. Imagine that it was the school that took the boy to hospital, and the boy died. The whole family will still prejudge the situation when they set eyes on the boy's remains.

Babinski:


While the law is that accussed people are innocent until proven guilty, the information from various sources including ex-staff of Dowen on the issue of bullying shows that it requires further investigation by the Police.

To simply try to equate autopsy result to the solution of an alleged murder case and bullying is shoddy work at its best. There are various ways to kill people that the autopsy would easily attribute to normal death and yet the cases are murder.

How did a football injury within days become a serious generalized infection? Has the deceased been a subject of bullying at Dowen has alleged? Are there student cults at Dowen? Where all relevant parties including students questioned thoroughly? All these are questions raised that we need answers to and not the singular focus on autopsy results. The Police really did a shoddy job.

was late Sylvester bullied? Probably Yes.
Is bullying a crime? Yes
Is there cultism in secondary schools? Yes
Is that also a crime? Yes
Is Dowen college the only secondary school with issues of bullying and cultism? No!!!


While the above happened, that didn't exonerate the parents from their culpability in the death of their son. Someone was injured and you took him to church for prayers. When it became bad, you remembered hospital and social media.

wirinet:


You are still aggressively defending the school. Are you a member of the Dowen College Board? Now tell me what would Dowen College have done if the patents did not show up or send someone? Would they just watch a student die and then blame the parents for not coming? Look life is sacrosanct and the first impulse in all situations is to save life.

They called the father, the father said he would send someone. Citing minor football injury. No one showed up for 2 days.

If Dowen College had taken the boy to the hospital (with the fathers consent of couse) and he died, how would the college be accused of using him for ritual? Even if it's without the fathers consent due to the emergency, and he died, would there not be doctors report snd coroner inquest.

Religion and superstition is really destroying the fabric of African societies.

But that is not the issue on trial here.its 5 boys 3 who were not there on trial for murder of a sick child.And for that I will stand on the side of the truth always.The truth is he died from illness

Again let's not all start another round of false witch hunting again without the facts of the matter we do not know the agreement with parents,school protocol and other conversations as regards taking children to hosipitals.So please don't even go there as accusations but rather ask questions.

We may have wrongly imprisoned 5 boys in this country for murder as a result of rash accusations and false narratives.That is the issue here face it.

You may raise your questions,(key word here questions ) as a question and not an accusation

And no I know no one in DOWEN, but I speak up against injustice cause as a nation there must be some people that speak up.

Evil thrives when good men are silent.if they are looking for at least 1 person that speaks the truth and promotes justice on our streets, What will they find? Do we all care that 5 boys are on trial on what may be a false narrative?
That an entire institution may be wrongly tried? These things matter ,our words matter, These issues define our nation we must all be careful what we say and condone

stanliwise:

From the medical angle you seem to have a point.
from from let's say the social angle, everything goes mute.
Did Sylvester not have any class mates or school neighbors that the investigators can confirm he was indeed sick?
No one saw Sylvester been sick before his death?
Why does his mouth look peeled? before he died?
I believe some colleague should indeed be able to confirm his health status before he died. yet no such thing as that

when three to four college testimony begin to show consistency then it could amount to some form of evidence coupled with medical test.

We are given little information here, we don't have enough info to really speak much about this cases.
Something isn't right. Just because the story sound like reality does not mean it is.

In Nigerias social media space? How are you even sure those 3 -4 narratives even exist and they are not made up? Someone said so but we are not sure who right?

stanliwise:

so what is the truth?

Read. I can't do that for you

chigator2:


Don't refer me to anything, since you are well paid to speak in their defence, tell us, according to your paymasters, who or what killed Sylvester Oromoni

Ask your own paymasters the family that is paying you to keep lying for them why they didn't present the fak autopsy report they shared on social media at the Inquest.

If you cannot read I can't help you.

Or they are not paying you enough to read?

Eketem:


Which former teacher? Why didn't the teacher go and testify as a witness for the family? The teacher is as fake as the autopsy report from Delta. They kept pushing fake news on social media

I have noticed a new trend of social media accusations, trial and justice. The first to report on social media garners all the sympathy.
Imagine what those young boys would have gone through, people dragged their parents and attacked them, I remember seeing comments on one of the boys mothers page. Will they take all those vile comments back

Eketem:


Ask your own paymasters the family that is paying you to keep lying for them why they didn't present the fak autopsy report they shared on social media at the Inquest.

If you cannot read I can't help you.

Or they are not paying you enough to read?

Simple Question: Who or What killed Sylvester Oromoni. You can't comprehend or what ? Just answer the question.

Because all you are saying is translated to this :
Sylvester was bullied and died of the effects but not by poisoning.

chigator2:


What killed the boy then ?

Natural causes ba ? You shall drink of this bitter cup, I assure you.

Stop making baseless curses and reason like an educated person.

If your child was one of the accused, will you be spewing this rubbish?

It is important that people express their opinions because judgement can make or mar lives.

It is the expectations of everyone that justice is served. But it is also important that innocent lives don't suffer in the process.

That is why matters like this are looked upon more closely, rather than with pure emotions.

You asked what killed the boy? The parents claim he was bullied, and forced to drink a dark substance. The first pathologist confirms this, but without conducting a thorough examination, which is against the ethics of his profession, considering the sensitivity of the case. You didn't see anything wrong with that. Now, more thorough examinations were conducted, and the results obviously would differ from the first. Now, you don't want to accept.

Typical emotional hypocrite. Making curses. If it were your child being accused, I am sure you will be happy with the latest pathological result. But because it doesn't concern you, the case should be rushed, and the boys punished even if not guilty.

You are the one who will lose a child if you are not careful.

Nonsense!!!

Nauttyprof:


Your reasoning is just something else. I hope you know that the autopsy done in Delta wasn't carried out by the family but by the Police. When the case was brought back to Lagos, the same Police decided to carry out another autopsy.

Lol listen to yourself, Nigeria police carried autopsy?
You know how much is autopsy?

Ordinary report a case to Nigeria Police how your phone was stolen, you will have to pay.

chigator2:


Simple Question: Who or What killed Sylvester Oromoni. You can't comprehend or what ? Just answer the question.

Because all you are saying is translated to this :
Sylvester was bullied and died of the effects but not by poisoning.

Report has been shared for you to read you no gree read you want others to read and translate for you.

Anyway autopsy says he injured his ankle from playing ball. The injury was not well treated, it led to sepsis and it was not treated, he would have survived with antibiotics, there was no Poison, there was no evidence on his body to show anybody beat him

Wasky101:

I have noticed a new trend of social media accusations, trial and justice. The first to report on social media garners all the sympathy.
Imagine what those young boys would have gone through, people dragged their parents and attacked them, I remember seeing comments on one of the boys mothers page. Will they take all those vile comments back

It is just horrible. One of the mother's was forced to delete her Instagram accounts. They posted the numbers of the parents and Principal. It was a very wicked set up, I hope the school and family sues the Oromoniyi family. See how they kept lying on social media.

The sad part is many of the celebrities who joined in abusing and leading the mob are too ashamed to apologize and say they were wrong on this.
The ones here who are rejecting facts and choosing to remain with sentiments. What this family did Sha.

BluntTheApostle:


Stop making baseless curses and reason like an educated person.

If your child was one of the accused, will you be spewing this rubbish?

It is important that people express their opinions because judgement can make or mar lives.

It is the expectations of everyone that justice is served. But it is also important that innocent lives don't suffer in the process.

That is why matters like this are looked upon more closely, rather than with pure emotions.

You asked what killed the boy? The parents claim he was bullied, and forced to drink a dark substance. The first pathologist confirms this, but without conducting a thorough examination, which is against the ethics of his profession, considering the sensitivity of the case. You didn't see anything wrong with that. Now, more thorough examinations were conducted, and the results obviously would differ from the first. Now, you don't want to accept.

Typical emotional hypocrite. Making curses. If it were your child being accused, I am sure you will be happy with the latest pathological result. But because it doesn't concern you, the case should be rushed, and the boys punished even if not guilty.

You are the one who will lose a child if you are not careful.

Nonsense!!!

What makes the first autopsy examination unthorough or unprofessional. Ooh because he wasn't paid to lie professionally with credible support.

So, Sylvester became deranged to hallucinate a narrative because of football injury.

Continue, I assure you, this cup will not Passover you this year. if you're are justified may you come out safe if not take my condolences.

Eketem:


Ask your own paymasters the family that is paying you to keep lying for them why they didn't present the fak autopsy report they shared on social media at the Inquest.

If you cannot read I can't help you.

Or they are not paying you enough to read?

I am not even discounting the possibility that it was even the first pathologist that told the parents indirectly not to tender his own forensic report,knowing how crooked a job he did.
Why I am not sparing the first pathologist, eventhough there is no doubting his qualification,is that a pathologist,unlike medical professionals in other fields,knows a forensic report is needed because of disputes about manner of death and that all are police investigation cases and majority if not also all have to be rendered in evidence in court where your report will pass through scrutiny from lawyers.So you must do a thorough,professional job,that can withstand such vigorous scrutiny.
In this case,it seemed he was in a hurry,so just looked at one or 2 areas and arrived at a conclusion that he himself would now be embarrassed about,having been shamed by a colleague!

Omololaeni:
Both the poster and those that replied immediately know what they are doing, they planned to post what they posted. May God Judge you all.

You have asked God to judge ,that is good There are 3 things Jesus said was the more important parts of the laws of the bible,do you know what they are?

Justice ,mercy ,truth.

In this case we must all strive that our words don't invalidate any. The case here again so we are all clear is that should 5 boys,3 of whom were not even there be standing trial for murder(Please note key word murder) of a child all the valid evidence points to the fact that he died of sickness

Should the school dorm masters who also have families be on trial for murder after the school called the parent of said child informing them their child was sick?

Should they have been in jail?

What is justice and truth here? It is only after we have established this that we can start to talk of if and where mercy is needed

[quote author=seborrhic post=110082515]
I am not even discounting the possibility that it was even the first pathologist that told the parents indirectly not to tender his own forensic report,knowing how crooked a job he did.
Why I am not sparing the first pathologist, eventhough there is no doubting his qualification,is that a pathologist,unlike medical professionals in other fields,knows a forensic report is needed because of disputes about manner of death and that all are police investigation cases and majority of not also all have to be defended in court where your report will pass through scrutiny from lawyers.So you must do a thorough,professional job,that can withstand such vigorous scrutiny.
In this case,it seemed he was in a hurry,so just looked at one or 2 areas and arrived at a conclusion that he himself would now be embarrassed about,having been shamed by a colleague![/quote/)


He was not just shamed by A colleague, he was shamed by the evidence from a panel of collegues.His evidence which the public is using as evidence should have been tendered.

MDCN should fix that gap and bring it out for fine re examination so it can be addressed once and for all. I for one am asking again where was his pre death Full blood count.

chigator2:


What makes the first autopsy examination unthorough or unprofessional. Ooh because he wasn't paid to lie professionally with credible support.

So, Sylvester became deranged to hallucinate a narrative because of football injury.

Continue, I assure you, this cup will not Passover you this year. if you're are justified may you come out safe if not take my condolences.

It is because of comments like this the first autopsy should be brought out and analysed thoroughly .It should also be analyzed in lay men's terms.The first autopsy sounds suspiciously like something that should land that Dr in jail for his role in all this But we can't conclude till we have the details MDCN is a regulatory body.MDCN should address this

Eketem:


Report has been shared for you to read you no gree read you want others to read and translate for you.

Anyway autopsy says he injured his ankle from playing ball. The injury was not well treated, it led to sepsis and it was not treated, he would have survived with antibiotics, there was no Poison, there was no evidence on his body to show anybody beat him

Rubbish, this experience will not pass you by this year.

He died of blunt trauma from getting beat up.
Even in an autopsy report, black fluid was found in his body.

I have gotten first hand account from students in this school about the bullying that result in this case.
Their parents insist that they don't want their kids out there in public spectacle in such a sensational case involving powerful interests.

Everybody is trying to hide themselves else those murderer kids would have met same fate already.

Judgement will be passed by God on you and those like you in no distant time

hmm mm mm mm Nigerian ah

Which one is dz yeye autopsy?

Na them go through the traditional route , they jus wanna do the case they want it .

BluntTheApostle:


In the face of medical evidence, you are still talking about eyewitness account.

The problem with people like you is that you took sides too quickly, and with a lot of emotions too.

Devil go soon shit for your head if you no drop this is rubbish medical evidence

Ficient:


All those involved in the death of that kid na Devil go kneel down behind their anus dey beg them. The child that died who has knelt down to beg the parents? No go let thunder destroy your destiny bcuz you want support your interest o.

There is a God.Jehovah is his name and he rules in the affairs of men.My interest is what he would want in this matter.Seek Justice and speak the truth. On this matter let us all stand in that.All those that find they pushed the wrong narratives had better go and go and correct it Or you think the kids parents too are not calling on God.Even if they are not what kind of country do you want to leave for your kids

A place where anyone can doom other people's children based on hearsay despite the evidence saying otherwise? Do you have kids.If those 5 boys were your children or the house masters your spouse what will you do?

[quote author=phineas post=110082602][/quote]
None was done.
No pre death fbc was done because that is the shoddiness of how we do things in this country.
What of the doctor that treated him for malaria for 4days for a boy that presently with leg and other body pain.You would be shocked no malaria test was done.Don't also be surprised to find out it was the parents that goaled the doc to treat for the malaria saying,"anytime he has malaria,that's how his body start to behave".When put under such pressure by a close family you have been seeing for several years,you relent and go ahead to treat to avoid them disparaging you.
Here people come with a notion of what they want to be treated for, something they won't try abroad,where they allow the doctor determine the ailment,run some tests,then treat.
But I am surprised that a doc that saw any kind of external wound didn't give even the basic of antibiotics,but instead focussed only on malaria treatment.

GeneralPula:
The boys family goofed..

A boy died a painful death and all they could do was a birthday party for him, and they were even laughing..

They killed that boy..

You no get sense at all for this comment when you made so

chigator2:


Rubbish, this experience will not pass you by this year.

He died of blunt trauma from getting beat up.
Even in an autopsy report, black fluid was found in his body.

I have gotten first hand account from students in this school about the bullying that result in this case.
Their parents insist that they don't want their kids out there in public spectacle in such a sensational case involving powerful interests.

Everybody is trying to hide themselves else those murderer kids would have met same fate already.

Judgement will be passed by God on you and those like you in no distant time

He who refuses to read refuses to grow.

May God's judgement also fall on you if you are accusing people of murder falsely. May God's judgement fall on you because after seeing evidence you want to keep lying..

May God judge you

phineas:


In Nigerias social media space? How are you even sure those 3 -4 narratives even exist and they are not made up? Someone said so but we are not sure who right?

I didn't say social media,
I said social which I mean slyvester school neighbors and colleagues

Eketem:


Read. I can't do that for you

What I read up there is nothing but court cases which has be adjourned.

are you calling an adjourned case the truth?

Eketem:


He who refuses to read refuses to grow.

May God's judgement also fall on you if you are accusing people of murder falsely. May God's judgement fall on you because after seeing evidence you want to keep lying..

May God judge you

If you assume you are more literate than me then you are dead wrong.

What should I be reading, when I have first hand account from children of family friends.
They gave me all assurance that he was severely beaten at least.

AfroKnight:


Semantics. DPP advised as prosecutors, police released suspects from custody. How did they arrive at the conclusion that they (DPP) had no evidence against the boys? The coroner’s inquest is what will determine that in the first place.

Falana had requested for that inquest before the DPP had those boys released.

Your ignorance backed with acute stubbornness is quite disgusting

DPPs job is to evaluate if police information is enough to prosecute and secure conviction. In this case he didn't see such in the investigation result. So his advice will be NO

The remand order had nothing to do with the coroner because the coroner wasn't existing as of the time the boys were charged to court. Their remand order expired with the release of the DPPs advice

A coroner is a body set up to investigate cause of death if there is suspicion, coroner can't detain neither do they need those boys presence, their remand in juvenile home was pending DPPs advice and it expires once the advice is submitted

How you expect that order to subsist while coroner seats is quite puzzling to a sane mind.

Ignorance is not a bad thing, what is bad is REFUSAL TO LEARN EVEN WITH SUPERIOR ARGUMENTS

SM is a forum for learning but you will continue to wallow in your ignorance if you keep arguing blindly