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cornelboy:
First i would like you to answer these same questions on you Koran

[s]This Book of Moses was not Genesis to Deuteronomy. It was a Book given to Moses.
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Where did i say such? Hadiths are different from biographies! You need to learn the difference!

The Books of Moses were for him and his people. So also was the Injeel and other Books.

AntiChristian:
Torah stated in Islam is the Book of Moses only! Zabur is for David. Injeel is for Jesus. Suhuf is for Abraham! Your are simply misguided about Islam.

Allah says And indeed, We gave Musa (Moses) the Book and followed him up with a succession of Messengers. And We gave ‘Iesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), clear signs and supported him with Ruh-ul-Qudus [Jibrael (Gabriel)]. Qur'an 2:87.


The Qur'an was for the world hence its preservation till the world ends. No book is being memorised like the Qur'an since over 1400 yrs ago!

Qur'an were burnt by Uthman the 4th Caliph! And he transcribed the Qur'an he collected from the 3rd Caliph. He then sent it everywhere!

I asked what is the settings and context of this verse?

Most of the Old testament laws are readily not being taken serious. Especially those laws that doesn't go well with sound reasoning, laws for Polygamy, Apostasy, etc. We know the Bible is mainly a fraud but it also contains part of the Injeel and Torah no doubt!

AntiChristian:
Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur’aan) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption)”
[al-Hijr 15:9]

Verily, we have sent down the Reminder, and, verily, we will guard it. Q15:9

But they say, ‘O thou to whom the Reminder has been sent down! verily, thou art possessed.’ Q15:6

falsehood shall not come to it, from before it, nor from behind it - a revelation from the wise, the praiseworthy One. Q41:42

O thou Apostle! let not those grieve thee who vie in misbelief; or those who say with their mouths 'We believe,' but their hearts do not believe; or of those who are Jews, listeners to a lie, - listeners to other people, but who come not to thee. They pervert the words from their places and say, ' If this is what ye are given, take it; but if ye are not given it, then beware!' but he whom God wishes to mislead, thou canst do nothing with God for him; these are those whose hearts God wishes not to purify, for them in this world is disgrace, and for them in the next is mighty woe, Q5:41; check also Q3:78, Q2:79, Q4:46 and Q5:13.

who believe in what is revealed to thee (Muhammad), and what was revealed before thee, and of the hereafter they are sure. Q2:4

The Apostle (Muhammad) believes in what is sent down to him from his Lord, and the believers (Muslims) all believe on God, and His angels, and His Books, and His apostles,- we make no difference between any of His apostles,- they say, 'We hear and obey, Thy pardon, O Lord! for to Thee our journey tends. Q2:285

Say (O Muslims), 'We believe in God, and what has been revealed to thee, and what was revealed to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes, and what was given to Moses, and Jesus, and the prophets from their Lord,- we will make no distinction between any of them,- and we are unto Him resigned. Q3:84

We did reveal the Torah (Tawrat), wherein is guidance and a light ... Q5:44

And already have we written in the Psalms (Zabur) after the reminder that the earth shall my righteous servants inherit.' Q21:105

Subsequent to them, we sent Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming the previous scripture, the Torah. We gave him the Gospel (Injil), containing guidance and light, and confirming the previous scriptures, the Torah, and augmenting its guidance and light, and to enlighten the righteous. Q5:46

Baha’ullah the founder of the Baha’i faith?

cornelboy:
Why were this korans burned?

You don't need to ask me that.

Which laws o abeg
The highlighted plenty for Koran o.

cornelboy:
AntiChristian why did Allah fail to preserve the earlier scriptures of the Jews and christians if he said to Mohammed that:

If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee (10:94 AYA/95 MP)

Then you need not quote verse you don't have any knowledge of!

AntiChristian:
So as to avoid the Qur'an becoming like your Bible of today with many copies yet not two manuscript are exactly alike!

Al-Bukhaari narrated in his Saheeh (4988) from Anas ibn Maalik that Hudhayfah ibn al-Yamaan came to ‘Uthmaan at the time when the people of Shaam (Syria) and the people of Iraq were waging war to conquer Armenia and Azerbaijan. Hudhayfah was alarmed by their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur’aan, so he said to 'Uthmaan, "O Ameer al-Mu’mineen! Save this nation before they dispute about the Book (Qur’aan) as the Jews and the Christians did before." So 'Uthmaan sent a message to Hafsah saying, "Send us the manuscript of the Qur’aan so that we may make copies of the Mus-haf and we will return the manuscript to you."


They are plenty but they all have context and settings which of course you are ignorant of.

cornelboy:
We gave him (Abraham) Isaac and Jacob: all (three) guided: and before him, We guided Noah, and among his progeny, David, Solomon, Job, Joseph, Moses, and Aaron: thus do We reward those who do good: And Zakariya and John, and Jesus and Elias: all in the ranks of the righteous: AND ISMA’IL and Elisha, and Jonas, and Lot: and to all We gave favour above the nations: (To them) and to their fathers, and progeny and brethren: We chose them, and we guided them to a straight way. This is the guidance of Allah: He giveth that guidance to whom He pleaseth, of His worshippers. If they were to join other gods with Him, all that they did would be vain for them. These were THE MEN to whom We gave THE BOOK, and authority, and prophethood: if these (their descendants) reject them, Behold! We shall entrust their charge to a new people who reject them not. S. 6:84-89

Lo! We inspire thee as We inspired Noah and the prophets after him, as We inspired Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and Jesus and Job and Jonah and Aaron and Solomon, and as We imparted unto David the Psalms; S. 4:163 Pickthall

See your have shallow knowledge of the Koran. Go study your book first before quoting the Bible

You don't know what your saying

If i start quoting the Hadiths for you, you will still say some are wrong not legit.

Lol Koran no be for Mohammed and Arabs
I quoted surah 14:4 for you.
Allah only sends Messengers in the language of the people he want the message to be delivered to so that they could understand.

Surah 14:4
And We have sent no Messenger
save with the tongue of his people,
that he might make all clear to them;

Who were the people of Mohammed?
What is/was their tongue?
Where did you get the idea of mankind from?

If Muhammad and Muslims then claim that he is sent to all people of all languages, then he, Mohammed is not one of the Messengers of Allah, since he does not satisfy the explicitly stated conditions

cornelboy:
Why did the koran have many copies in the first place when Allah promised to guard it from corruption?

How are we sure that the one copy of Koran left is the authentic?

That's the literally meaning of the verse i quoted.
If you have another meaning to it, then you should explain it in your comments. Don't ask me!

Throughout my life i have never seen any book unwritten. Perhaps you could explain better

You made the claim that they are not written by Moses. You are the one to prove your lies!

That doesn't make it anything. The Koran can hardly be believed as the book God wrote Himself. It's full of unintelligible words and contradictions between it self and the Jews and christians book.
And without the Hadiths, the Koran is mostly hard to understand.
The nature of the bible is very different from the Koran.
The bible was written and compiled chronologically. It contains history about the children of Israel and every law God gave them in their journey was written in their books.
Genesis to Malachi.

How did Mohammed achieve this purpose? Did he really preach his message to all mankind?
In the light of Surah 14:4, is the Koran contradicting itself?

This is just mere unprovable assumption.
Mohammed is not a descendant of Abraham.
Yeah it's semitic cos they are in the same middle east.

cornelboy:
I think i can tell you that the more you post here the more you expose your ignorance! The Book you highlighted is revelation. It can be written or unwritten!


Of cos i do! Prove that Genesis to Deuteronomy were in the Torah present in the time of our Prophet! Torah is not your old testament! You know this as the truth!


Our Hadiths are traditions of the Prophet which was written much like your Bible written by people. The writers are not infallible hence hadiths are classified unlike your Bible.




All Prophets are sent to their nation/people/family and Allah makes it so that he speaks their language.
However the Prophet Muhammad was made an exception as
Allah, Exalted be He, says:

1. “Say (O Muhammad): ‘O mankind! Verily, I am sent to you all [/b]as the Messenger of Allah - to Whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth.’” (Surah Al-A’raf, 7:158)

2.“And We have not sent you (O Muhammad) except as a giver of glad tidings and a warner [b]to all mankind, but most men know not.” (Surah Saba’, 34: 28)

3. “And We have sent you (O Muhammad SAW) not but as a mercy for the Aalameen (mankind, jinns and all that exists)” [al-Anbiya’ 21:107].



On the contrary, we know Muhammad was a descendant of Abraham through Ishmael. And Arabic is also a Semitic language just like Hebrew and Aramaic.

Your a fool for believing this. No soul can recite the whole Koran correctly!
Are you part of this millions?

Who made that standard?

Lol but you can quote the bible anyhow you like abi
Do you have problem giving me the settings and context?
You haven't responded to some of my post.
The bi le exposed Mohamed as a false prophet and aldulterer!

AntiChristian:
This is clumsy!