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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by drDoom3(m): 9:36pm On Feb 18, 2022
yinkeys:

undecided Awaziem

Bassey is better. I have watched both.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by drDoom3(m): 9:44pm On Feb 18, 2022
Meliforme:


Technique?
No, they are not.

Speaking of technique, players who have more technique than Iwobi include:
Chidera Ejuke, Ademola Lookman, Kelechi Iheanacho, Kelechi Nwakali, Samuel Kalu, Oghenekaro Etebo (Etebo has improved so much, the last i saw him)

Iwobi has good technique and is ahead of players like:
Samuel Chukwueze, Paul Onuachu, Moses Simon, Joe Aribo, Ndidi, Frank Onyeka etc.

Does Iwobi execute more technique in his game than Osimhen in the here and now? The conclusion is very equivocal. Osimhen keeps improving, Iwobi has regressed in some areas, but kept improving in areas like defending. For now i will still give it to Iwobi, even though the difference is negligible.

Do you know what technique is? It is not pace or dribbling. it is not strength or work rate. Technique is how neat and precise you are in carrying out functions in your position. Imagine saying Etebo has better technique than Iwobi, that is blasphemy. Etebo that struggles to trap ball sometimes, all work rate with no product.

Unsurprisingly, the guys you said Iwobi is ahead of are actually the guys who are ahead of Iwobi (except Simon and Onyeka, maybe Chuks). Ndidi has the best technique in the team, the way he cleans up in defense with tidy tackles is definitely top 5 in the world alongside Kante, Verratti etc. Aribo also has better technique, his ball carrying, neat tackles and progressive carries are also unrivalled in the team. Nacho has the best shooting and passing technique in the team, but his work rate, control, and awareness leave so much to be desired. Osimhen's athleticism covers much of his deficiency in technique, but he still has excellent control and long passing techniques. Surprisingly, I think Osimhen's technique was much better in Lille than in Napoli, it was as if he made a tradeoff for physicality when he joined Napoli.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Philosopher1979: 9:45pm On Feb 18, 2022
komekn:


You lack knowledge and you have no understanding.

In most EPL clubs they have different phases off development. I know a EPL club that contracted the former assistant manager at Sao Paulo FC Brazil to head up the u9-13 development phase.

To teach them skills, technical ability, touch, etc Because after that age it becomes difficult to teach those particular skill sets.

Now look at England youth footballers do you see any of the old kick and rush , footballers anymore. Look at Eze, Tega Abraham, Iwobi, Mount, Reece, etc

But we in Nigeria have remained stagnant we have not developed our football and movef ahead. Just like many of our academic lecturers still using notes of decades ago to teach today.

Years ago I looked at Victor O, when he was at Wolfsburg and l made it clear that he would not make it into a good academy. He was technically poor.

Physically outstanding and Fast a big YES and he has used his physical attributes to overcome inadequacies in his technical ability, to get ahead. I said he needed to drop league go to a lower league learn, develop and them move up.

Well he has done that and has left Lille and gone to Napoli. However, some of those handicaps are still there and they will prevent him from getting to the top if not addressed.

This is a problem with home grown players from local academies and leagues. This is why we quite a few cannot even cross the ball properly.


With the I agree but our football has actually regressed. The players we had in the 80s and 90s were actually better. Felix owolabi, Friday elaho etc.
The level of coaching has actually depreciated. I think coaching has to be taken seriously. Ronaldo da Lima was coached by Jarzinho (who played in the 1970 world cup for brazil)) when he was very young.
Maybe we should attach specialists in youth football to the kids in our academies. Now is the time to start it.
Its a serious issue. You see if Ibrahimovic was born in Nigeria, he could have been limited by the poor coaching he will get.
A 12 year old boy in a football academy in Europe has more knowledge of football tactics than a 17 year old boy in Nigeria and this is where the problem starts from
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by drDoom3(m): 9:48pm On Feb 18, 2022
komekn:


Stop dreaming Ndidi technically better than Iwobi, please be serious Aribo maybe a question of preference.

Ndidi is miles ahead of Iwobi. The only problem I have with Ndidi is his shooting, once he gets his long range shooting back to Genk levels he will be one of the best DMs in the world. You would be hard pressed to find players who are better defensively than Ndidi, off the top of my head maybe Van Dijk, Koulibaly, Dias etc and they are all CBs. No DM I have seen cleans up better than Ndidi. Casemiro has gotten too sloppy, Rodri barely has anything to do on most occasions, Rice is a beast in attack but doesn't offer the same defensive cover.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by drDoom3(m): 9:51pm On Feb 18, 2022
PurpleHouse:
Personal opinion:

Nacho has no more business starting our matches. Or even being on the bench. Na waste of good space.

My opinion.

Iheanacho's shooting is still among the best in the world. Despite his poor play sometimes, he is necessary for a well rounded team the same way a player like Onuachu is necessary.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by yinkeys(m): 9:55pm On Feb 18, 2022
PurpleHouse:
Personal opinion:

Nacho has no more business starting our matches. Or even being on the bench. Na waste of good space.

My opinion.
Iheanacho is the best technically gifted forward we have right now.
Positioning, trickery, attacking football IQ, shots accuracy etc
Dennis comes second in trickery
You obviously don’t watch his games at Leicester
He’s got tremendous shot accuracy
Don’t understand what some of you guys watch o
Did you watch his last 2 games ?
Eguavon wasn’t stupid to start Iheanacho & Ndidi in all our games
Iheanacho almost single handedly dragged Leicester to FA Cup final last season, particularly his performance in the Man Utd game
He’s a clever forward

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by elunico: 10:06pm On Feb 18, 2022
TheGoodJoe:
I need to add what I noticed watching Osimhen against Barcelona. The young hitman needs to change his playing style and adopt a different approach to the game. He takes a reactive kind of play, instead of a proactive one. Over and over again, Osimhen cut himself off from the team's play, expecting them to find him in space always. I get the manager wanted him to exploit the Highline of the Barcelona defense but, Barcelona had a plan of restricting the midfield from giving him service.

Osimhen (same with Iheanacho) needs to play in a different manner by going for the ball. If the team has the ball on the wing, they need to help build up plays through the wings which will draw opposing players to them and give room for them to exploit.

Dries Mertens replaced Osimhen and played it perfectly which lead to a chance. I expect Spaletti to work on that aspect of Osimhen and he can get more from the Nigerian hitman.

Below is a clip of Harry Kane doing this. Watch how many times he dropped deep, went to the wings to help build play.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LB7pIlKjNI


Last time I saw osimhen did that perfectly was our friendly matches against Ukraine & Brazil.

That pattern suits him more.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by elunico: 10:13pm On Feb 18, 2022
Joebie:
He is way past that league, and will even do well in the EPL whether komekn believes it or not I don't care grin

First time I saw him play for the U23 team. I concluded from then that he is elite.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 10:48pm On Feb 18, 2022
I wish say football na maths like that.. The moment Ighalo go EPL, he becomes better than Awoniyi and co?

yinkeys:

He shouldn’t be.
Saudi league doesn’t make sense
Ighalo has lost the pace he had in 2019
We have younger forwards in more competitive leagues.
Awoniyi, Osimhen, Onuachu, Dessers, Moffi.
He’s another Umar Sadiq if you ask me
It would be absurd if they recall Ighalo.
He retired in 2019
Don’t know why he’s still in the discussion mix
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 11:09pm On Feb 18, 2022
drDoom3:


Do you know what technique is? It is not pace or dribbling. it is not strength or work rate. Technique is how neat and precise you are in carrying out functions in your position. Imagine saying Etebo has better technique than Iwobi, that is blasphemy. Etebo that struggles to trap ball sometimes, all work rate with no product.

Unsurprisingly, the guys you said Iwobi is ahead of are actually the guys who are ahead of Iwobi (except Simon and Onyeka, maybe Chuks). Ndidi has the best technique in the team, the way he cleans up in defense with tidy tackles is definitely top 5 in the world alongside Kante, Verratti etc. Aribo also has better technique, his ball carrying, neat tackles and progressive carries are also unrivalled in the team. Nacho has the best shooting and passing technique in the team, but his work rate, control, and awareness leave so much to be desired. Osimhen's athleticism covers much of his deficiency in technique, but he still has excellent control and long passing techniques. Surprisingly, I think Osimhen's technique was much better in Lille than in Napoli, it was as if he made a tradeoff for physicality when he joined Napoli.

Technique refers to the skill or competence required to perform a function or task.

In football, there are skills required to execute it. Some of these includes:
First touch,
Passing,
Shooting,
Dribbling,
Holding on to the ball,
Marking,
Slide tackle,
Stand tackle, etc

The combination of these skills and the accuracy of their execution will determine a player's gradation in technique.

Take for instance Ndidi. You said he is the player with the best technique in S.E. How well are his passing, shooting and dribbling. Ndidi is great at short passes, but what about his non-existent long passes even as a midfielder, How is his dribbling and shooting. Ejuke has the best technique in the current crop, his long passes have the accuracy of 83%.

Remember, it is the techniques you bring to your game, the frequency of their execution, and the accuracy of their execution that determines how you are graded technically.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by PurpleHouse(m): 11:21pm On Feb 18, 2022
yinkeys:

Iheanacho is the best technically gifted forward we have right now.
Positioning, trickery, attacking football IQ, shots accuracy etc
Dennis comes second in trickery
You obviously don’t watch his games at Leicester
He’s got tremendous shot accuracy
Don’t understand what some of you guys watch o
Did you watch his last 2 games ?
Eguavon wasn’t stupid to start Iheanacho & Ndidi in all our games
Iheanacho almost single handedly dragged Leicester to FA Cup final last season, particularly his performance in the Man Utd game
He’s a clever forward

Trickery Taaaaaah! Meshonu dia

You mean a player that strolls over the pitch?

Yes he scores and he's highly good with his accuracy. But my point is that we need our midfield stockpiled with creativity to compliment our wingers, so Nacho needs to be sacrificed for that to happen.

And if Egu stil goes on using Nacho thereby weakening our midfield, it means he's learned nothing.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by PurpleHouse(m): 11:23pm On Feb 18, 2022
drDoom3:


Iheanacho's shooting is still among the best in the world. Despite his poor play sometimes, he is necessary for a well rounded team the same way a player like Onuachu is necessary.
A creative midfielder should be starting ahead of him.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 11:34pm On Feb 18, 2022
drDoom3:


Ndidi is miles ahead of Iwobi. The only problem I have with Ndidi is his shooting, once he gets his long range shooting back to Genk levels he will be one of the best DMs in the world. You would be hard pressed to find players who are better defensively than Ndidi, off the top of my head maybe Van Dijk, Koulibaly, Dias etc and they are all CBs. No DM I have seen cleans up better than Ndidi. Casemiro has gotten too sloppy, Rodri barely has anything to do on most occasions, Rice is a beast in attack but doesn't offer the same defensive cover.

Do you remember ndidi long range shot that was named goal of the season at the Belgian league then ?

He scored another one at the Europa league also

Ndidi sha

Ndidi cannot do rodri work ,that one no Dey use power play ball ,man city Barca type of player,Ndidi is class and a different type of player from rodri
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 11:51pm On Feb 18, 2022
Romaldo stole cavani number 7 shirt and he still want to steal Maguire captaincy

Ronaldo has finished manure grin

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 12:50am On Feb 19, 2022
na National league players dey go MLS abi?
komekn:


I know Houston Rockets quite well and l know the calibre of players who leave here to the MLS.

Tell me 5 and I'll give you 15.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 12:56am On Feb 19, 2022
Not true

codemaniacs:


komekn doesn't rate any Nigeria born and raised players..

For him, As long as they are born in England or in E:urope or U.S.A then that immediately means they are better than Nigerian born and raised players..

So please for your sake don't engage him when its between Nigeria born and raised players and players born in Europe.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by 13large: 1:44am On Feb 19, 2022
PurpleHouse:


Trickery Taaaaaah! Meshonu dia

You mean a player that strolls over the pitch?

Yes he scores and he's highly good with his accuracy. But my point is that we need our midfield stockpiled with creativity to compliment our wingers, so Nacho needs to be sacrificed for that to happen.

And if Egu stil goes on using Nacho thereby weakening our midfield, it means he's learned nothing.

He is a striker or support striker at best and has no reason playing midfield or attacking midfielder
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 2:26am On Feb 19, 2022
andrewbaba44:
Romaldo stole cavani number 7 shirt and he still want to steal Maguire captaincy

Ronaldo has finished manure grin


Maguire should not even be on the pitch talkless of captain. It is the coach that wants to give it to Ororo and I don't see what he is waiting for sef

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by 13large: 3:06am On Feb 19, 2022
andrewbaba44:


Do you remember ndidi long range shot that was named goal of the season at the Belgian league then ?

He scored another one at the Europa league also

Ndidi sha

Ndidi cannot do rodri work ,that one no Dey use power play ball ,man city Barca type of player,Ndidi is class and a different type of player from rodri

No way is ndidi more technically gifted than iwobi. You forgot that iwobi was mentored by the great “arsene wenger” and he passed through various Arsenal youth squad before he migrated to the senior team. Iwobi was actually a good dribbler and technically gifted until the last few seasons. Too many ogogoro analysts on here

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 3:36am On Feb 19, 2022
andrewbaba44:


I watched some part of Orlando pirate CCC game because of ndah ,to Commot ball for strikers leg Dey too easy for that guy ,dude looks too confident
I've not watched Ndah other than the match he played against GB at Afcon but mehn that guy is so smooth, so silky
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 4:46am On Feb 19, 2022
BascoVanVeli:



Maguire should not even be on the pitch talkless of captain. It is the coach that wants to give it to Ororo and I don't see what he is waiting for sef

They should drop Maguire normally but why humiliate him by stripping him of the captain band ?

When dem Dey run give am captain dem no no abi

De gea is suppose to be their captain normally
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 7:38am On Feb 19, 2022
Highlights of the Super Falcons match yesterday for any who want. But I must say that the quality is very bad



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4yArjCCCB8

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Subzero47: 7:48am On Feb 19, 2022
komekn:


You have said somebody is making a fool of themselves hmmm ❓but who

Awaziem - Turkish league - Rated number 20
Omeruo - Segunda Division
Collins - Bundesliga 2

Calvin Bassey - Scottish premier League rated number 9 in Europe.

Calvin Bassey Transfer interest multiple clubs in Europe top three league including the EPL.

Look at the mirror and you will see who is the big ****

Look at what I canceled, Bassey has never benched a fit Balogun at Rangers
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Subzero47: 7:49am On Feb 19, 2022
Joebie:
But Seriously will you hand Bassey a start on his debut?

No I wouldn't, especially not beside Ekong
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 7:51am On Feb 19, 2022
andrewbaba44:


They should drop Maguire normally but why humiliate him by stripping him of the captain band ?

When dem Dey run give am captain dem no no abi

De gea is suppose to be their captain normally

This is a new coach na. He has a right to select his own captain. I don't know why the club is not backing their coach on something so simple
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Subzero47: 7:56am On Feb 19, 2022
PurpleHouse:
All these Bassey this Bassey that. I've brought the issues here before, just before Afcon.

Bassey is the BEST defender we have right now. No cap. Nobody comes close. Not even Balogun. cool

Bassey is a good young defender but he is not even in Balogun's league
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Subzero47: 7:58am On Feb 19, 2022
PurpleHouse:


Psychology always wins.

Make them an offer they can't refuse.

Show them the light.

Make the other team become unpleasing to them.

Sell them the future.

cool grin

How are you going to make England or France unpleasing to them grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 8:02am On Feb 19, 2022
daveP:
i hope these investments pay off.. i saw IK jersey today.

They even have sponsors. Wow!

I hope Dangote and other billionaires invest in the NPLF instead of carrying the money abroad.

Africans should think out of the box and develop themselves.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheLoneCitizen(m): 8:07am On Feb 19, 2022
Nigeria needs more players in Portugal.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheLoneCitizen(m): 8:12am On Feb 19, 2022
TheGoodJoe:
I need to add what I noticed watching Osimhen against Barcelona. The young hitman needs to change his playing style and adopt a different approach to the game. He takes a reactive kind of play, instead of a proactive one. Over and over again, Osimhen cut himself off from the team's play, expecting them to find him in space always. I get the manager wanted him to exploit the Highline of the Barcelona defense but, Barcelona had a plan of restricting the midfield from giving him service.

Osimhen (same with Iheanacho) needs to play in a different manner by going for the ball. If the team has the ball on the wing, they need to help build up plays through the wings which will draw opposing players to them and give room for them to exploit.

Dries Mertens replaced Osimhen and played it perfectly which lead to a chance. I expect Spaletti to work on that aspect of Osimhen and he can get more from the Nigerian hitman.

Below is a clip of Harry Kane doing this. Watch how many times he dropped deep, went to the wings to help build play.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LB7pIlKjNI

I might have misunderstood you, man, but did you just say here that Iheanacho doesn't go for the ball?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 8:53am On Feb 19, 2022
Tosin adarabioyo insist on playing for England after contacted by eguavoen and pinnick

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 8:54am On Feb 19, 2022
BascoVanVeli:


This is a new coach na. He has a right to select his own captain. I don't know why the club is not backing their coach on something so simple

You are right sha

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