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aribisala0:
Even God does not have that kind of power


It is illusory



Russia has effectively been under sanctions for decades and is already inured to them

Can the US stop Russia selling oil and gas? NO

The main things Russia sells are Energy and weapons and Russia has been moving away from dollars to the Euro for years
Also Russia has a very large land mass , plenty of Natural resources and is very self sufficient making most of what it needs.
The EU does not have the same appetite for conflict that The US and UK have . The reality is just like Putin grabbed Crimea he will grab Ukraine and Nothing the West can do about it

U are definitely a MAD MAN for ur : first sentence

chucks4sure:
NATO invaded Iraq and Libya and destroyed these countries and assisted rebels in Syria with everything they could to overturn a legitimate government of Syria. All those countries are Russia allies.

What of Afghanistan they also invaded it and put their cronies there. We have eastern and western bloc. Russia and China are the big eastern bloc countries plus other countries.

The western bloc comprises NATO mainly. The western bloc has upper hand because of the collapse of Soviet union. NATO was formed during the cold war between USA and Soviet union
Some European countries entered alliances with America for protection in case of war, they were afraid of Soviet union headed by Russia.

Ukraine was part Soviet republic that has borders with Russia. Now Ukraine wants to be a member of NATO. That
means America and NATO can now station thier Army and war base at the backyard of Russia. Russia can not allow that no matter what. And is ready to go into full scale war.
Remember that Russia is a very powerful nuclear war head producer and has a number that can erase the whole of NATO countries. China too has a very big number of nuclear war heads has entered alliance with Russia.
NATO can't go to war because of Ukraine that is not a member of NATO.
During the cold war Cuba having borders with America( separated by water ) allowed Soviet Union to plant 72 nuclear war heads at their borders and were pointed towards America. America wanted to invade Cuba that would have led to 3rd world war. Soviet dismantled the war for sake of peace.

Now America and his allies NATO is gradually urging Ukraine to become a member of NATO. Ukraine having borders with Russia, can led to unfortunate events.

Economically Russia has an edge in the area of gas which most NATO countries depend on them for supplies. That is why Germany and France are not supporting the sanctions drumming by America and Uk.

Ukraine should forget NATO membership for now for sake of peace. If not they will lose their sovereignty.
I want to educate some people that don't know what is happening but will want to comment ignorantly.
Before you begin to condemn Russia understand what is happening. Russia is fighting for their security.

When NATO and co invade other countries it is justified no sanctions. When they support rebel groups in other countries sending weapons and stuff, its perfectly fine. When Russia does the same, its suddenly all wrong, they should be sanctioned.

Kentucky404:
Russia messed up how?
You can easily get female companion in the US too if you have money. There are lot of Gold diggers in the US. there lot of cheap girls in the US who would easily go naked in public just for a thousand bucks.
America has experienced Greater Recession than Russia. Am not saying Russia is Richer than Us, just pointing out to you that every country has their downside

In the United States more than 40.6 million people live in poverty, caused mainly by wage inequality, inflation and poor education. The vast majority living in poverty is uneducated people that end up increasing more unemployment and crime.
Source: Wikipedia

Mr Traveller.
U are probably someone who travelled on Visit.

Don't mind the guy. Even if he travelled there, did he visit everywhere? Can he even understand when a Russian says 'Privet'?

Davemarine:
I don't just understand why so many of you here are so uninformed enough as to believe that Putin can just wake up from his bed and decide to do whatever he wants whether violating any entity or not and against a host on nations and the world will watch him do it.

In case you don't know Russia will currently be on the radar of every NATO nation. Just one nation. And you believe anything you want he'll get it.

Maybe you guys have been deceived be Russia boast of millitary and Weapons. Don't you ever believe that Russia is militarily stronger than US. Talk more of the Host of NATO.

The fact that you believe the current bone of discussion is that Russia is stronger than US and NATO militarily show you clearly need to wash your face with water, you are still sleepy

Nairaland ignoramus a simple Google search of d most self sufficient country in d world would tell u Russia and this is as a result of sanctions by d west. The way sanctions work is d United States and its allies stopping exportation to a country they want to destroy despite the fact that its the citizens of those countries that needs those products. Russia has all manner of import substitute programs that have replaced all products coming in from d west. Infact there was a press meeting i watched in which putin thanked Eu and USA for those sanctions, he said and I quote "thanks Eu and US for making us realize our potentials as we now produce everything we use to import from ur countries but Europe lost cus the billions of dollars paid for importation from Europe are now been diverted to other sectors in Russia". Europe and US lost cus they still buy billions dollar worth of Russian gas. The United States has sanctioned almost every sector in Russia but refuse to sanction their oil sector cus d US is among d biggest buyer of Russian gas

GreyLaw:
No need arguing this mate. More sanctions are waiting; weightier ones for that matter. Sanctions don't finish. And there is no new world order. If ever there was something like that it will be China. Russia is a poor country. Till date Russia cannot even match Portugal's GDP per capita and they have been trying for ages. Apart from Moscow and St. Petersburg most other Russian cities are messed up.

New world order? Lol... China would be laughing at your statement. Even China no want war. Many people for the sake of hatred or pure boredom want a change of the guard, but no, the US is centuries ahead of every other country when it comes to military abilities and intelligence. For me: US, UK, Israel, then others

Even China cannot afford a full blown confrontation with India. India is in space, medicine, nuclear warfare, everything and they don't make noise. Let Putin go and sit down. This one he will lose it a million times over. The West actually want him to make a move so they will cordon him off and he knows hence the merry go round.

Damn, I missed this thread and Love that you are very well informed about military abilities of the countries, Very Good writeup.

Some people on this forum are too daft for comparing poor Russia with US.

Putin behaving like Hitler when he can not even match up the power Hitler possesed back then.

mrphysics:
I forgot to add @FERNANDEZISBACK, when in 2 years back, US refused China from joining the ISS, China built theirs and launched to the space and will within the year or next year launch the first human to their own International Space Station.

My point is, Russia and China are moving towards independence as they move towards over coming America in terms of military. These countries devote more finance in building military weapon and training their soldiers than they do in trying to boost their economy. Russians as not as happy or as free as Americans, however, they have complete loyalty to their countries.

So let's stop underestimating them bro, unless EU, NATO, or US gives Russia evidence in writing that Ukraine will NEVER join NATO, invading Ukraine might be a foregone conclusion.

The thing is the people that matter don't underestimate them. Did you see Biden's comment about Russia military strength when he was telling Americans in Ukraine to leave. Did you see how quickly France and Germany tried to salvage the situation when the temperature was getting very hot. These people know the strength of Russia and they don't underestimate them at all.

Its nairaland keyboard warriors with their western media brain that believe Russia na small pikin. US that have a standing military command for their forces to never engage Russian military in any form are mad.

FERNANDEZISBACK:
No one is underestimating them but judging by their military capability they are in no match to survive a full blown war against NATO..

For anyone who has some knowledge on military issues,the question should have been if Russia has any chance to stand against NATO for more than a week.

We don't live in 1942 where comrade Stalin orders the slaves to work non stop and produce 80.000 T 34 tanks. It wouldn't be any good even if Russians had a million tanks. That's the reason they're not producing in quantity T 14 Armata. In modern warfare the key to victory is air superiority. That's a field where Russians lack behind 30 - 40 years in technology,at least. They had to get targeting pods for their jets and thermal vision for their tanks from France...
Another thing is how long can they keep fighting when they are still struggling with their economy..
Pu*tin is considerate and wouldn't wanna engage himself in a war against NATO or USA.. casualties from both sides especially Russia is gonna be fatal..

Lol you think a war between Russia and NATO will last a week? It won't even last a day. Russia has enough nukes to nuke every member of NATO multiple times. So in a day two tops every NATO country and Russia will be uninhabitable. That's what Putin meant when he said there will be no winners.

FERNANDEZISBACK:
This might have an effect on Russia to be sincere..
To my knowledge there isn't really any precedent since 1945 for a great power annexing another country to both gain land and intimidate another superpower...
Right now there's a spectrum for what what could happen..

On the one end Russia could invade and something could go horrifically wrong and we end up in a Europe wide NATO - Russia war. That would be disastrous to say the least.

In the middle of the spectrum is full sanctions and Russia becomes and economic pariah state. This however looks unlikely as only Britain and the US seem to see eye to eye in arguing for this outcome..
France and Germany seem a little bit less enthusiastic about this approach..
Let's see how it goes..

Putin should have been smarter than these guys but I see him as a stupid fool blinded by his obsolete machines.

jikins:
Lol you think a war between Russia and NATO will last a week? It won't even last a day. Russia has enough nukes to nuke every member of NATO multiple times. So in a day two tops every NATO country and Russia will be uninhabitable. That's what Putin meant when he said there will be no winners.

Haha..

DrGoodman:
I think US, and UK are being biased. Why can't they impose stiffer sanctions on the criminal government at Aso Rock for killing innocent Biafrans and tagging the killings ESN or ugm killings?

Hehehehehe !!! Know you no say dem just dey take Biafra play snooker abi

Quiny32323:
Putin should have been smarter than these guys but I see him as a stupid fool blinded by his obsolete machines.

Let's see how it ends for him..

Toktee:
The same " Greeter Germany an greater Russia?"

So Hitler invaded Europe because of greeter Germany?

FERNANDEZISBACK:
Let's see how it ends for him..

The masses all over the world suffer it and not the stupid elites and this will spirall into a broader war. Likely that China will invade taiwan also.

Quelme:
but it is okay for the US and EU to give independence to Kosovo abi? Make una dey deceive una selves.

Equating what Putin is doing with Kosovo is just plain silly.

Go and read about the Kosovo/Serbia crisis, Serbia was constantly performing ethnic cleansing on minority Kosovo. What did you want them to do? Stay put in Serbia until they are completely wiped out?

The matter went to the international Court of justice FYI and Serbia lost the case, soon afterwards, members of Kosovo House of Assembly passed the law granting them independence.

Now tell me what similarities does that have to do with what Putin is trying to do with Ukraine?

jikins:
So Hitler invaded Europe because of greeter Germany?

Yea

Kentucky404:
One idiot on here Said : Russia is messed Up.

The economy of Russia is a mixed economy, with enormous natural resources, particularly oil and natural gas. It is the fifth-largest economy in Europe, the world's eleventh-largest economy by nominal GDP, and the sixth-largest by PPP.
Source: Wikipedia

Leave them, this is what you get when people get their info from cnn.

Toktee:
Yea

What's greeter Germany

GreyLaw:
No need arguing this mate. More sanctions are waiting; weightier ones for that matter. Sanctions don't finish. And there is no new world order. If ever there was something like that it will be China. Russia is a poor country. Till date Russia cannot even match Portugal's GDP per capita and they have been trying for ages. Apart from Moscow and St. Petersburg most other Russian cities are messed up.

New world order? Lol... China would be laughing at your statement. Even China no want war. Many people for the sake of hatred or pure boredom want a change of the guard, but no, the US is centuries ahead of every other country when it comes to military abilities and intelligence. For me: US, UK, Israel, then others

Even China cannot afford a full blown confrontation with India. India is in space, medicine, nuclear warfare, everything and they don't make noise. Let Putin go and sit down. This one he will lose it a million times over. The West actually want him to make a move so they will cordon him off and he knows hence the merry go round.

Your head dey there.
All these uninformed peeps on this forum always make me shake my head in shame.
You said it all. NATO and the US are just praying silently for Russia to invade Ukraine so as to decimate the country and wipe away all the gains they have made so far.

IhateYouMan:
The US and EU will cripple the Russian economy in no time. Watch this space.

I don't think us or UK will risk it's infrastructure for Ukraine honestly.

Less not forget how the Brits and americans are hypocritical and cunny in nature.

jikins:
What's greeter Germany

Greeter

IhateYouMan:
I can only speak for myself. Putin reminds me of Hitler , he is evil and must be stopped.

For Putin, I can't see what wrong he did to your ancestors. But for. The Brits and Americans is evident.


Lol mental slavery is worst thing to happen to a black man.

nothing will happen to Russia,

see all these western nations especially the US; UK; Germany are very funny...

they know the sanction that will hit Russia badly; unfortunately, it may hit them too..

The US.. they should stop buying Russian Oil.. they keep buying it cos they don't want Saudi to have 100% control the global Oil market
The UK.. they have a lot of the Russian Oligarchs in London; they wouldn't sanction these guys because London revenue may drop
Germany: over 70% of their gas supply comes from Russia; they cant sanction those Gas supplies, cos they may die in cold, their industrial output will drop or inflation will increase due to the higher cost of US/Qatar etc gas.

so Putin knows all these that is why he is making calculative moves..

I think they all need to sit down and discuss..

NATO stop eastern expansion and Putin (aka Shortman devil) stop controlling other eastern Europe's smaller countries. Period.

Davemarine:
I don't just understand why so many of you here are so uninformed enough as to believe that Putin can just wake up from his bed and decide to do whatever he wants whether violating any entity or not and against a host on nations and the world will watch him do it.

In case you don't know Russia will currently be on the radar of every NATO nation. Just one nation. And you believe anything you want he'll get it.

Maybe you guys have been deceived be Russia boast of millitary and Weapons. Don't you ever believe that Russia is militarily stronger than US. Talk more of the Host of NATO.

All Nato members rely on American weapons,and some of these weapons have been tested in syria,iraq ,saudi arabia and the weaknesses are known to china,russia ,iran,northkorea.when you go to war ,you show some of your weaknesses.

tamdun:
U are the dumbo here man, those countries join nato for protection and nato couldn't provide protection when Russia took cremea, despite all their military threat nothing happened,those countries are just pawn to us and in case u don't know, Russia just recognised 2 separatist group from Ukraine and like I said earlier, nothing will happen

Guy go read that's all I have for you.
First, is Crimea a country?
second, is Ukraine part of NATO?

the crap you wrote up there is very a good example of what I said earlier, you have a smart phone but be making dumb comments everywhere

At least put the phone to good use just once

AstraDroid:
I do not love or hate America personally, cos I do not know what is there to love or hate. When you say the others did something bad, what do you really mean? Do you understand that no country becomes world power without warring and so far only the Chinese have come this far with intelligence instead of war since the creation of humanity?

But then there will never be Earth with a single world power after USA, it will be multipolar cos humanity has evolved beyond the era of a monopolar leadership.\\

what I meant was you using two paragraphs in your previous comment to tell me how the Romans and their likes came to be world power without the need to help thw weaker ones and you didn't see nothing wrong with that.

China without war in the history of humanity? Dude make use of your Internet. Jeez dz is 2022 and you guys make it look like you're just holding a smartphone for the first time. A quick Internet search would have helped you a lot

Toktee:
Greeter

those are your words bro not mine? That's why I am asking what you mean

IhateYouMan:
I can only speak for myself. Putin reminds me of Hitler , he is evil and must be stopped.

Really last time I checked its wasn't Russia that invaded Iraq base on lies of weapon of mass destruction and killed over a million Iraq citizen bomb their cities to stone age, Laos is the most bombed country on earth by the US I know u didn't know this cus u only heard about Vietnam. The United States is the only country that have used nuclear weapons in d world even Hitler didn't use it and guess where they drop it, 2 biggest cities in Japan killing innocent civilians, the US together with NATO bombed the hell out of Yugoslavia so much that dat country is no longer in existence. Libya is a failed state where slaves are sold openly bcus of invasion by US and Nato. US did not only invade Syria but sponsored rebel groups to overthrow Assad (president of Syria). That man is still on seat bcus Russia helped him, the US still occupies northern Syria stealing their oil, this is what Donald Trump said "our troops are still there only for d oil". The US invaded Afghanistan and destroyed that country despite the fact that no Afghanistan citizen was involved in 911, the perpetrators of 911 where Saudis and 1 Egyptian, y didn't the US invade Saudi Arabia bcus Saudi Arabia is allie with d United and buy billion dollar worth of weapons from d United States. The US together with Europe sponsored a coup (the Maiden coup) and successful remove the Russian friendly president of Ukraine in 2014 and installed a puppet president from Washington, the people of crimea voted to b part of Russia, Donbass wanted nothing to do with Ukraine and was granted a special autonomous status under d Minsk agreement between Russia, Ukraine, France and Germany but ever since Ukraine failed to honor the Minsk agreement and has continously attacked Donbass wanting to take that region back. Three days ago there was heavy shelling on Donbass by Ukraine leading to Evacuation of many Donbass citizen to Russia and thats y putin declared Donbass an independent state yesterday..

aribisala0:
Nothing will happen.

You should not have answered him, he is actually a learner and novice. I could read that out in his first post.

nijanigga:
Go and tell ordinary Iranians who taking the brunt of inflation ,falling currency and hardship due to economic sanctions

If that's the case sanctions are useless, cause of only the ordinary people who don't necessarily have a say in the leadership of those countries are the ones suffering the brunt...........Now looking from another perspective sanctions are usually there to create chaos in countries of those who reject American manipulation. All those talk about "DEMOCRACY" & "FREEDOM"na shyt, as a leader u can torture ur people to death as long as u bend ur a#s to d Americans.

franksam2009:
it will only have tiny or no effect at all, afterall they sanctioned Iran and North Korea for over a decade hoping to cripple their economy and stop their nuclear program, but it didn't workout as planned, Russia will simply look for other non
US allied investors

lol North Korea economy is crippled. It’s just 20b$

jikins:
What we're the core motivations of Hitler what are the core motivations of Putin?

Conquering whole of Europe