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Ukraine's President changes mind want To Join European Union Rather Than Nato , by Kingsnairaland(m): 1:07pm On Feb 26, 2022 |
Reuters Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said on Saturday it was "a crucial moment" to decide on Ukraine's membership of the European Union, as Russia continued to invade its neighbour. Ukrainian leader says it is 'crucial moment' to decide on EU membership reuters.com https://lm.?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reuters.com%2Fworld%2Feurope%2Fukrainian-leader-says-it-is-crucial-moment-decide-eu-membership-2022-02-26%2F%3Futm_campaign%3DtrueAnthem%253A%2BTrending%2BContent%26utm_medium%3DtrueAnthem%26utm_source%3Dfacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR0iCx5ZkuI84CCCkUH6R92fdmShIouK7V5MclqVR004gJEEL2b7hcFR-LI&h=AT0NGM-hPrbdVdJqpDKTKMrw_of9iu9PVNppH2sdFD6_zCjgD9kB-HKB8e8BDDX7_P__ATjlRy07fYkLE9fkKcSYR9Hl-DrAEmUG5OISAYH-MFtu-erRrckkK-0QcSiSFF6XrySO6l_z8VjBlopXpD9ErxaxteSlGY91gkrFyFBrlmPsbJGGCnWUIFped3bwI-mEfB_g3SwQ72ZkyJzI6NxHMDGGo1CUaYMAXu0a0CQw_oQLBY5lyfKNEqfxFlbHPd1NfQ_gMgcpoGBFRnFwPansXSTg3Zp8Ofpc-XGSretl_2mEPR0hvpdMAhvXVwFsDQXsSY0tl77Nqy6wVTULKEi4A0IDxE2rYPIEya8sw7Z6cq8CxT2MvO3W2vRSKBfHJ3jY-ij08iJdsmeO_foxRJRSGyVU30oh1Dy19bUCsQ6XpFBTYjGgNHQxUH_QrtWx4Xm8zR_ncBntdGQ0NhQjZbyMETziTgUFWaWQpbZsBjZDPXC-tCZM8llBQRwPYyp-TZIlQ2lDvyF0BM9tjpO37PYFHJ7Qwg 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: Ukraine's President changes mind want To Join European Union Rather Than Nato , by ayindejimmy(m): 1:13pm On Feb 26, 2022 |
They all will. It's part of NATO requirements
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Re: Ukraine's President changes mind want To Join European Union Rather Than Nato , by Kingsnairaland(m): 1:19pm On Feb 26, 2022 |
ayindejimmy: Maybe west propaganda. |
Re: Ukraine's President changes mind want To Join European Union Rather Than Nato , by BafanaBafana: 1:23pm On Feb 26, 2022 |
Kingsnairaland:They are sovereign nations for Christ's sake! 1 Like |
Re: Ukraine's President changes mind want To Join European Union Rather Than Nato , by Kingsnairaland(m): 1:24pm On Feb 26, 2022 |
BafanaBafana: western world freedom of thinking and speech means being a slave of western ideas and propagating it only. If your idea is different from west they portrait you as criminal person and all of them tried to threatened you! This is ridiculous! The Ukrainian leaders were the puppet and boot lickers of the western world, they are responsible for ukraine crisis! 1 Like |
Re: Ukraine's President changes mind want To Join European Union Rather Than Nato , by Kingsnairaland(m): 1:25pm On Feb 26, 2022 |
BafanaBafana:. Was Iraq and Libya not a sovereign nation. 2 Likes |
Re: Ukraine's President changes mind want To Join European Union Rather Than Nato , by Kingsnairaland(m): 1:46pm On Feb 26, 2022 |
western world freedom of thinking and speech means being a slave of western ideas and propagating it only. If your idea is different from west they portrait you as criminal person and all of them tried to threatened you! This is ridiculous! The Ukrainian leaders were the puppet and boot lickers of the western world, they are responsible for ukraine crisis! Ukraine �� better surrender. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Ukraine's President changes mind want To Join European Union Rather Than Nato , by ivolt: 1:56pm On Feb 26, 2022 |
Fake news. It was Ukrainian prospective deal with EU that actually started the conflict way back in 2014. NATO membership normally takes years to ratify. |
Re: Ukraine's President changes mind want To Join European Union Rather Than Nato , by ivolt: 1:58pm On Feb 26, 2022 |
Kingsnairaland:Stop posting lies. There was no agreement between Russia and the west. Only a fool would have agreed to such at the height of its power and enemy at its news. 1 Like |
Re: Ukraine's President changes mind want To Join European Union Rather Than Nato , by aribisala0(m): 2:05pm On Feb 26, 2022 |
BafanaBafana:Cuba was not a sovereign nation in 1962? Why is the US still occupying Guantanamo Bay? Do not be naive . You need to go back in history and study it VERY WELL. How and why did Britain take over Hong Kong from China for 99 years Nations are sovereign if the World powers allow it. That s how it has always been. How was Kosovo created? Was it not part of another sovereign nation? America decided it could break away and aided it by force. The rest is geography Sovereignty is not just in word. With the dollar hegemony even Nigeria is not sovereign. We do what Washington says Was Libya not sovereign? Today WE are paying the price for Libya Russia's invasion is terrible but for every person killed in Ukraine the US has killed 100. They are much worse and what is funny is how African victims of the West continue to worship them and parrot their propaganda. 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Ukraine's President changes mind want To Join European Union Rather Than Nato , by Kingsnairaland(m): 2:25pm On Feb 26, 2022 |
ivolt: Too much CNN has made you not to research |
Re: Ukraine's President changes mind want To Join European Union Rather Than Nato , by D1official: 2:39pm On Feb 26, 2022 |
Kingsnairaland:Since there were no written documents how did you know? Were you there? Where is the evidence of CIA masterminding the coup in Ukraine? . Just endless fables!! People just wake up and start typing rubbish just to massage their ego and end up glorifying their ignorance. You said the world is tired of western imperialism but ended up not mentioning just one nation in support of Russian Madness. Go and sit down and watch your Russia collapse Biko. 1 Like |
Re: Ukraine's President changes mind want To Join European Union Rather Than Nato , by D1official: 2:44pm On Feb 26, 2022 |
Kingsnairaland:And you end up researching with Google |
Re: Ukraine's President changes mind want To Join European Union Rather Than Nato , by Nobody: 2:54pm On Feb 26, 2022 |
Some people are just being emotional and naive. Western media has dealt with us all. Anything the promote is right; even LGBT. 1 Like |
Re: Ukraine's President changes mind want To Join European Union Rather Than Nato , by Kingsnairaland(m): 3:30pm On Feb 26, 2022 |
inspirator1:. Exactly |
Re: Ukraine's President changes mind want To Join European Union Rather Than Nato , by Kingsnairaland(m): 3:35pm On Feb 26, 2022 |
D1official: https://amp.france24.com/en/russia/20220130-did-nato-betray-russia-by-expanding-to-the-east 2 Shares
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Re: Ukraine's President changes mind want To Join European Union Rather Than Nato , by walemoney007(m): 3:37pm On Feb 26, 2022 |
BafanaBafana:Why was the USA against USSR citing missiless in Cuba? something Cuba was comfortable with but the USA was against. 2 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Ukraine's President changes mind want To Join European Union Rather Than Nato , by D1official: 4:41pm On Feb 26, 2022 |
Kingsnairaland:Can you accept just a solemn pledge for a deal of just a Hundred thousand naira?. How you think nations make just verbal deals still baffles me, not even to think of a deal such as this. Just like I said earlier, show me a signed/written document on that effect or keep quiet. |
Re: Ukraine's President changes mind want To Join European Union Rather Than Nato , by sunboy(m): 4:42pm On Feb 26, 2022 |
BafanaBafana: Cuba was a sovereign nation during the Cuban missile crises. Palestine is still a sovereign country. Yemen and Syria are still sovereign countries. Oh I almost forgot about Iran, Iraq, North Korea, Taiwan, Japan , HongKong even African countries were sovereign countries when the EU countries shared and colonized us. Just saying… everybody’s hand is dirty, you only get blamed based on what side of the aisle you belong to. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Ukraine's President changes mind want To Join European Union Rather Than Nato , by sunboy(m): 4:43pm On Feb 26, 2022 |
Kingsnairaland: Oh I almost forgot Libya, even Egypt during the Suez Canal war. |
Re: Ukraine's President changes mind want To Join European Union Rather Than Nato , by sunboy(m): 4:47pm On Feb 26, 2022 |
ivolt: There was an agreement as a follow up on the fall of Berlin Wall and the reunification of Germany. Read your history, it’s okay if you don’t know. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Ukraine's President changes mind want To Join European Union Rather Than Nato , by sunboy(m): 4:50pm On Feb 26, 2022 |
aribisala0: You absolutely nailed it! Russias invasion of its neighbors is terrible and will haunt them back but Western Allie’s are not clean too. It’s only good or bad depending on what side of the table you’re on. |
Re: Ukraine's President changes mind want To Join European Union Rather Than Nato , by sunboy(m): 4:56pm On Feb 26, 2022 |
D1official: What are you saying ? Even NATO officials did not deny such agreements… they only said “ the pledge was about Germany not the whole of Europe” the agreement was made when the Berlin wall fell. East Germany was Soviet alligned, and West was already part of the alliance. The Soviet allowed the reunified Germany to join the alliance on the pledge that nato won’t go further East. While Russians are saying the pledge was to cover all of Eastern Europe. NATO/US are saying NO, it was a discussion exclusively about Germany. So, nobody denied such agreement like you insinuated. Both sides just have a difference context of the agreement. Who’s lying about the context is the question at hand not about if such pledge existed or not. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Ukraine's President changes mind want To Join European Union Rather Than Nato , by ivolt: 4:57pm On Feb 26, 2022 |
sunboy:You obviously know nothing about history, government or even business deals. Agreement has specific legal meanings. Russia says few days ago that it is not invading Ukraine, it will be foolish for someone to conclude that Russia had an agreement not to invade Ukraine. This is for a factual event. Imagine using a fictional story created by Putin as the legality of an agreement? I may be wrong though. Just post the agreement and its details. |
Re: Ukraine's President changes mind want To Join European Union Rather Than Nato , by aribisala0(m): 4:58pm On Feb 26, 2022 |
sunboy:I would argue Russia is able to do this because of the precedents in impunity of the West e.g invasion of Iraq and deposing of Sadaam on cooked up excuses without consequence because there was no one to sanction them. We in Africa need to learn that recolonization is now a reality and no one got our backs. We must open our eyes and see the world with our own yes . I remember Fela's song I done put melecin for eye . Babalawo melecin I put....... The king wey dey our country na hire him hire him eye |
Re: Ukraine's President changes mind want To Join European Union Rather Than Nato , by sunboy(m): 5:00pm On Feb 26, 2022 |
ivolt: You have absolute no idea. Lots of credible websites covered it, I am not about to paste web links for you… if you don’t know you don’t argue. Even NATO officials did not deny such agreements… they only said “ the pledge was about Germany not the whole of Europe” the agreement was made when the Berlin wall fell. East Germany was Soviet alligned, and West was already part of the alliance. The Soviet allowed the reunified Germany to join the alliance on the pledge that nato won’t go further East. While Russians are saying the pledge was to cover all of Eastern Europe. NATO/US are saying NO, it was a discussion exclusively about Germany. So, nobody denied such agreement like you insinuated. Both sides just have a difference context of the agreement. Who’s lying about the context is the question at hand not about if such pledge existed or not. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Ukraine's President changes mind want To Join European Union Rather Than Nato , by sunboy(m): 5:03pm On Feb 26, 2022 |
aribisala0: First, I would have bet my money that Putin won’t invade. They are you neighbors, he already took Crimea, Dombass and even Luhansk. He’s just a mad man, and he knew he could do it with impunity cos everybody else do the same. Even Isreal is doing it’s own with impunity, not to talk of a super power. |
Re: Ukraine's President changes mind want To Join European Union Rather Than Nato , by aribisala0(m): 5:07pm On Feb 26, 2022 |
ivolt: It is not fictional there have been videos shown on RT where verbal assurances were given. Yes we can argue they have no legal force. But the reality of international relatins is that if agreements do not favour the powerful they are re written AT GUN POINT That is how Lagos became a protectorate of the British and How Britain snatched Hong Kong from China at gunpoint We live in an "at gun point " world where might is right. The West have always operated on that basis .If you did not know then Good Morning. Let us not pretend that there is a civilized world order of rules The World order is one of dominant interests Do you believe that the Naira lost 60% of its value in 7 years just because of government incompetence? No the financial system of the World operates to concentrate Capital in London and New York . They have the power to wipe out your currency in days. That is not an organic scenario. It is contrived, manipulated and enforced. It is like watching a football game when the result has already been written and the fans naively believe there is a genuine competition 1 Like |
Re: Ukraine's President changes mind want To Join European Union Rather Than Nato , by ivolt: 5:10pm On Feb 26, 2022 |
sunboy:Websites? I didn't know that internet was live in 1989. One of you should surprise me with facts. How can it be exclusively about Germany, when Germany was already a member of NATO at the time of reunification? Actually, nobody except Putin and his admirers accept such a ridiculous story. |
Re: Ukraine's President changes mind want To Join European Union Rather Than Nato , by sunboy(m): 5:14pm On Feb 26, 2022 |
ivolt: First, There was no Germany. There was East Germany and West Germany. 2nd, you just want to argue baselessly… if you can read I’m not about to do that for you. Have a good day! |
Re: Ukraine's President changes mind want To Join European Union Rather Than Nato , by aribisala0(m): 5:17pm On Feb 26, 2022 |
sunboy:Let us leave all that "mad man" and other emotional stuff to one side If you are old enough to have been aware during the Cold War and the fall of Berlin you would understand. His actions are completely rational based on Russian interest After the fall of NAZI Germany in 1945 the US became the dominant force in Western Europe militarily and economically and was hostile to Communism . After the fall of Communism the Natural thing to do would be to integrate Russia into Europe. The US see that as a threat and has done everything to stifle the economic progress of Russia. and to undermine and humiliate it Just imagine how dominant the US would be in the world if Russia did not exist. Sometimes you need to fight wars to show the world what you are capable of . The US did that in Iraq and Afghanistan. Nothing new Ultimately Russia and NATO will go to war , that is inevitable because after Ukraine Russia will still want to push NATO out of Poland, Latvia Lithuania and Estonia. That is obvious and predictable America does not want this confrontation because they want to focus on China and Taiwan . That priority has been changed .If you think about it like a football game .....right now who has ball possession? |
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