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One would think the pro black potato in chief would buy his oil from a black nation.

Under Joe Biden, the United States imported a record 232 million barrels of oil from Russia last year.

benalvino3:
If NATO is a protection as you think, they would av easily protect Ukraine and there is nothing Russia could do. But that's not how protection works when it comes to nuclear war.

If Ukraine joins NATO, Russia can still destroy the Nation if they want, NATO will fight back but they also is not immune from taking serious damage which is why they don't seem to be looking for a fight.

Putin too does not want a fight with NATO. If he knows someone in NATO who will fight regardless or who is so unpredictable, he won't dare to enter Ukraine.

NATO will protect Ukraine when Ukraine are not a member, do you think these things through? as it stands all now Ukraine is on it's own unless they have NATO membership, only thing Ukraine has going for them is world solidarity.

Russia will be destroyed in a nuclear war you people will stop this rubbish, they are not only ones with nuclear weapons, If Belarus can seek nuclear weapons from Russia why is Ukraine joining NATO is a taboo?

sanpipita:
NATO will protect Ukraine when Ukraine are not a member, do you think these things through? as it stands all now Ukraine is on it's own unless they have NATO membership, only thing Ukraine has going for them is world solidarity.

Russia will be destroyed in a nuclear war you people will stop this rubbish, they are not only ones with nuclear weapons, If Belarus can seek nuclear weapons from Russia why is Ukraine joining NATO is a taboo?

This is why I said you dont understand. I think it through.

NATO or US have invaded Iraq because Iraq was doing what Russia is doing. It is not just once US or NATO have intervened in a crisis.
The nation they went to protect are not NATO countries or seeking to join NATO.

US knows iraq does not have WMD and they invaded claiming to be looking for WMD... While they know North Korea has WMD why no invasion? Why do you think I ran wants one?

Ukraine once have WMD the US and co convince them to give it up that they will protect them should something like this happen... So where is the protection ? Ukraine gave up something for protection so where is it ?

Putin will not risk entering Ukraine if he knows NATO will act as a maniac or if he knows they want blood.

Russia is the biggest nation in the world and have the best missiles and most powerful nuclear weapons. They will likely destroy or give a hard blow to NATO as NATO will do to them. At the end of everything both NATO and russia will be China's biitch except they preemptively strike china.

If us want they can stop Belarus but they have to go through russia. Putin have challenged anyone who dares to put hand in the fight.

Russia has more nukes than any nation in the world and they have the most powerful and also they have the fastest missiles which is impossible or almost impossible to intercept.

They can launch via land, sea and air. Their sub can be anywhere and launch a ballistic missile to NATO nations.

These are why NATO is avoiding conflict and also why russia is avoiding with NATO

benalvino3:
This is why I said you dont understand. I think it through.

NATO or US have invaded Iraq because Iraq was doing what Russia is doing. It is not just once US or NATO have intervened in a crisis.
The nation they went to protect are not NATO countries or seeking to join NATO.

US knows iraq does not have WMD and they invaded claiming to be looking for WMD... While they know North Korea has WMD why no invasion? Why do you think I ran wants one?

Ukraine once have WMD the US and co convince them to give it up that they will protect them should something like this happen... So where is the protection ? Ukraine gave up something for protection so where is it ?

Putin will not risk entering Ukraine if he knows NATO will act as a maniac or if he knows they want blood.

Russia is the biggest nation in the world and have the best missiles and most powerful nuclear weapons. They will likely destroy or give a hard blow to NATO as NATO will do to them. At the end of everything both NATO and russia will be China's biitch except they preemptively strike china.

If us want they can stop Belarus but they have to go through russia. Putin have challenged anyone who dares to put hand in the fight.

Russia has more nukes than any nation in the world and they have the most powerful and also they have the fastest missiles which is impossible or almost impossible to intercept.

They can launch via land, sea and air. Their sub can be anywhere and launch a ballistic missile to NATO nations.

These are why NATO is avoiding conflict and also why russia is avoiding with NATO

Putin has invaded Ukraine before, he knows Ukraine has nothing backing them NATO or not, problem today is he underestimated resolve of Ukrainians and also support they are getting around the world, how do you get into four days fight with Ukraine and you are threatening nuclear war, USA and NATO are yet to fire one shot in Ukraine and Putin is losing his mind, he miscalculated and it will blow up in his face, before this week ends Ukraine are going to join EU, their membership is getting fast tracked

benalvino3:
If NATO is a protection as you think, they would av easily protect Ukraine and there is nothing Russia could do. But that's not how protection works when it comes to nuclear war.

If Ukraine joins NATO, Russia can still destroy the Nation if they want, NATO will fight back but they also is not immune from taking serious damage which is why they don't seem to be looking for a fight.

Putin too does not want a fight with NATO. If he knows someone in NATO who will fight regardless or who is so unpredictable, he won't dare to enter Ukraine.

Your two paragraphs contradict.

Putin destroying a "Ukraine joins NATO" would have evoked the same reaction Hitler got when he launched an invasion of Poland that triggered the start of World War II.

Do you notice how similar to Putin's were Hitler's reasons too?

Thankfully, Ukraine does not need to be in any group for the entire world to stand with them against Putin. It makes my faith in the human race immensely grow.

sanpipita:
Putin has invaded Ukraine before, he knows Ukraine has nothing backing them NATO or not, problem today is he underestimated resolve of Ukrainians and also support they are getting around the world, how do you get into four days fight with Ukraine and you are threatening nuclear war, USA and NATO are yet to fire one shot in Ukraine and Putin is losing his mind, he miscalculated and it will blow up in his face, before this week ends Ukraine are going to join EU, their membership is getting fast tracked

Ben, see your contradiction repeated here.

Ukraine "has nothing backing them", except for the "resolve of Ukrainians and also support they are getting around the world", which is indeed immense.

Perhaps the agent orange was right after all

Putin is a genius and he has succeeded in uniting Europe against him

---The U.S. froze the ability of Russia's central bank to conduct any transactions in dollars - which is the currency in which much of its reserves are held. Allies are doing the same for euros, pounds, yen---

---In aggressive move, US cuts off Russia's central bank and direct investment fund from US dollar transactions --- The steps are meant to prevent Russia from accessing a "rainy day fund" Moscow had been expecting to rely upon during the invasion of Ukraine---

---Because of "significant deposit outflows," Russia's state-owned Sberbank European Subsidiaries, along with its Croatian and Slovenian units are "failing or likely to fail," according to the European Central Bank---

---FedEx and UPS have both suspended shipments into Russia, further isolating the country's economy---

---Switzerland a neutral state is also applying the same EU sanctions on Russia---Joe Biden got the Swiss to forsake their neutrality---which they didn't even do during the last 2 WWs---

---Moscow Exchange didn't open today for fear of overtrading which may seriously affect the ruble---Ruble is down almost 40%---

---Interest rates have gone up to 20%, from 9.5%---and this is only after 2 days of economic sanctions by the U.S., EU and their allies---

---Putin by his own 'smart' calculation have singlehandedly turned Russia into an international pariah state---

Putin stupidly dared, is what I think, he must have lost his mind!

budaatum:
Your two paragraphs contradict.

Putin destroying a "Ukraine joins NATO" would have evoked the same reaction Hitler got when he launched an invasion of Poland that triggered the start of World War II.

Do you notice how similar to Putin's were Hitler's reasons too?

Thankfully, Ukraine does not need to be in any group for the entire world to stand with them against Putin. It makes my faith in the human race immensely grow.

I dont see any contradiction. Just like lions dont bother hyenas, NATO dont want to mess with a nuclear power like Russia.

The difference between the time of hitler and now is that there was no nuclear weapons, although his scientists the US stole was working on it.

If Hitler had Nukes, Britain would not have dared to rally the world into fighting for freedom.

Every country that wants to be spared was taking the coward pill by joining Germany. Ukraine was one of those countries while russia waa fighting for freedom.

Joining NATO does not guarantee protection. Like I said, if it is a guarantee then it does not matter if you join or not... NATO will protect you.

They have done that before when iraq invaded Kuwait

AmazonTopaz:
Perhaps the agent orange was right after all

Putin is a genius and he has succeeded in uniting Europe against him

Dictators don't care when their people suffer.
One of the Putin's flaw they observed in his KGB training was his lack of sense for danger.

I dont think he cared about the sanctions, in fact, he sees it as an act of war which is why he is threatening with nukes now.

Japan was friends with US, they conquered asian, took china and some other Asian countries, they were communist peasants just like china and russia, US poured sanctions on them and what happened? Parle Harbor. They strike the US unprovoked. The US ended that war with 2 nukes but if Japan had nukes they would have easily nuked US.

benalvino3:
I dont see any contradiction. Just like lions dont bother hyenas, NATO dont want to mess with a nuclear power like Russia.

The difference between the time of hitler and now is that there was no nuclear weapons, although his scientists the US stole was working on it.

If Hitler had Nukes, Britain would not have dared to rally the world into fighting for freedom.

Really, Ben? The whole world that is not bowing to Putin who has nukes would have just bowed to Hitler if he had nukes?

Why? Would the scientist they stole not be working on it for them?

Every single nation on earth is messing up nuclear gas wheat rare earths empowered Russia pretty good, Ben. No nation is taking any coward pill.

benalvino3:
Japan was friends with US, they conquered asian, took china and some other Asian countries, they were communist peasants just like china and russia, US poured sanctions on them and what happened? Parle Harbor. They strike the US unprovoked.

Why do you write like this?

Were the sanctions not the provocation as far as Japan was concerned?

benalvino3:
This is why I said you dont understand. I think it through.

NATO or US have invaded Iraq because Iraq was doing what Russia is doing. It is not just once US or NATO have intervened in a crisis.
The nation they went to protect are not NATO countries or seeking to join NATO.

US knows iraq does not have WMD and they invaded claiming to be looking for WMD... While they know North Korea has WMD why no invasion? Why do you think I ran wants one?

Ukraine once have WMD the US and co convince them to give it up that they will protect them should something like this happen... So where is the protection ? Ukraine gave up something for protection so where is it ?

Putin will not risk entering Ukraine if he knows NATO will act as a maniac or if he knows they want blood.

Russia is the biggest nation in the world and have the best missiles and most powerful nuclear weapons. They will likely destroy or give a hard blow to NATO as NATO will do to them. At the end of everything both NATO and russia will be China's biitch except they preemptively strike china.

If us want they can stop Belarus but they have to go through russia. Putin have challenged anyone who dares to put hand in the fight.

Russia has more nukes than any nation in the world and they have the most powerful and also they have the fastest missiles which is impossible or almost impossible to intercept.

They can launch via land, sea and air. Their sub can be anywhere and launch a ballistic missile to NATO nations.

These are why NATO is avoiding conflict and also why russia is avoiding with NATO

---This Putin war is not about Ukraine wanting to join NATO---he's main goal is about bringing Ukraine under Russia rule indirectly---have a rule by proxy---just like Belarus president---Putin being a despot is afraid of democracy---and democratic elected president in Ukraine---Did the U.S. attacked Cuba in 1962 during the Cuban Missile Crisis?---

---Putin said Russia is conducting a 'peacekeeping mission' in Ukraine to protect ethnic Russians of the two regions who declared independent States last week---now within 4 days he's putting Russia nuclear deterrent force on high alert---what are his rationale behind this---*desperation* in one word---

---The longer this goes on---Putin will not win the war---Ukraine will lose much more---and world economy will be greatly affected---war is never a good solution---

budaatum:
Really, Ben? The whole world that is not bowing to Putin who has nukes would have just bowed to Hitler if he had nukes?

Why? Would the scientist they stole not be working on it for them?

Every single nation on earth is messing up nuclear gas wheat rare earths empowered Russia pretty good, Ben. No nation is taking any coward pill.

Japan only surrendered when they saw the damage of the nukes.

Hitler does not have nukes, it is easy to confront him. Thats my point. If russia does not have nukes, the US wont sanction them,they will be bombing them as they have done to other nation that does not have nukes. All this one you are saying support ukraine is getting is nothing new. Iraq got support from anti war protesters all over the world against the US. The guys who usually bomb always get the protest against them.

If US want to really do something, they should do like the British did in 1942 to help poland.

AmazonTopaz:
Perhaps the agent orange was right after all

Putin is a genius and he has succeeded in uniting Europe against him

Viktor Orban ah suprise mes da most . Putin's ah make da right wing natcase born agains

Kikikikikikiki

feedthenation:
---This Putin war is not about Ukraine wanting to join NATO---he's main goal is about bringing Ukraine under Russia rule indirectly---have a rule by proxy---just like Belarus president---Putin being a despot is afraid of democracy---and democratic elected president in Ukraine---Did the U.S. attacked Cuba in 1962 during the Cuban Missile Crisis?---

---Putin said Russia is conducting a 'peacekeeping mission' in Ukraine to protect ethnic Russians of the two regions who declared independent States last week---now within 4 days he's putting Russia nuclear deterrent force on high alert---what are his rationale behind this---*desperation* in one word---

---The longer this goes on---Putin will not win the war---Ukraine will lose much more---and world economy will be greatly affected---war is never a good solution---

Its about NATO and his dreams to bring back the soviet Union

feedthenation:
---The U.S. froze the ability of Russia's central bank to conduct any transactions in dollars - which is the currency in which much of its reserves are held. Allies are doing the same for euros, pounds, yen---

---In aggressive move, US cuts off Russia's central bank and direct investment fund from US dollar transactions --- The steps are meant to prevent Russia from accessing a "rainy day fund" Moscow had been expecting to rely upon during the invasion of Ukraine---

---Because of "significant deposit outflows," Russia's state-owned Sberbank European Subsidiaries, along with its Croatian and Slovenian units are "failing or likely to fail," according to the European Central Bank---

---FedEx and UPS have both suspended shipments into Russia, further isolating the country's economy---

---Switzerland a neutral state is also applying the same EU sanctions on Russia---Joe Biden got the Swiss to forsake their neutrality---which they didn't even do during the last 2 WWs---

---Moscow Exchange didn't open today for fear of overtrading which may seriously affect the ruble---Ruble is down almost 40%---

---Interest rates have gone up to 20%, from 9.5%---and this is only after 2 days of economic sanctions by the U.S., EU and their allies---

---Putin by his own 'smart' calculation have singlehandedly turned Russia into an international pariah state---

Kikikikikikiki

gambojimeta:
Kikikikikikiki

---At this rate the Stable genius Trump, GOP MAGAs and right wing Fox News hosts (TC, SH, LI) will set up a GoFundMe page for Putin and Russia---

benalvino3:
Japan only surrendered when they saw the damage of the nukes.

Hitler does not have nukes, it is easy to confront him. Thats my point. If russia does not have nukes, the US wont sanction them,they will be bombing them as they have done to other nation that does not have nukes. All this one you are saying support ukraine is getting is nothing new. Iraq got support from anti war protesters all over the world against the US. The guys who usually bomb always get the protest against them.

If US want to really do something, they should do like the British did in 1942 to help poland.

Ben, Iraq did not get the support Ukraine is getting! The people who wanted to bomb Iraq are the people against Putin! And 1942 is like waiting till 2025 since "the United Kingdom declared war on Germany on 3 September 1939, two days after Germany invaded Poland. France also declared war on Germany later the same day".

8 months after Germany invaded Poland, note, and not a week after Ukraine was invaded.

See reasons below.

Two Western powers, the United Kingdom and France, gave guarantees to Poland that they would declare war if Polish independence came under threat, as presented in a statement to the House of Commons by the British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain on 31 March 1939 (formalized by the British on 6 April 1939; not ratified until 4 September 1939 by the French):

... in the event of any action which clearly threatened Polish independence, and which the Polish Government accordingly considered it vital to resist with their national forces, His Majesty's Government would feel themselves bound at once to lend the Polish Government all support in their power. They have given the Polish Government an assurance to this effect. I may add that the French Government have authorised me to make it plain that they stand in the same position in this matter as do His Majesty's Government.[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_declaration_of_war_on_Germany_(1939)

If Ukraine had been in NATO we'd have been at world war stage by now.

budaatum:
Ben, Iraq did not get the support Ukraine is getting! The people who wanted to bomb Iraq are the people against Putin! And 1942 is like waiting till 2025 since "the United Kingdom declared war on Germany on 3 September 1939, two days after Germany invaded Poland. France also declared war on Germany later the same day".

8 months after Germany invaded Poland, note, and not a week after Ukraine was invaded.

See reasons below.



If Ukraine had been in NATO we'd have been at world war stage by now.

They did... It was just that no social media that time and the people who are all reporting this now was actually lying to us back then that iraq have the bombs.

I am still telling you that then there was no nukes... Else Germany which was using drones or cruise missile long before the US dreamt of it to pound london, would have used nuke on London the same day england declared war on Germany. Facts remain, its the nuke that is keeping some countries out of the other.


Also to the wiki quote, england and the USA promise Ukraine they would protect them if they give up their nukes

benalvino3:
Facts remain, its the nuke that is keeping some countries out of the other.

That is your own facts. It's that same facts that countries like North Korea have, and Iran, and USA, and perhaps India and Pakistan.

UK can't ever use a nuclear bomb on anyone and most would laugh at us if we threatened anyone with them, but I don't see anyone threatening us nor many many nations that don't have nukes.

They are pretty much unusable, except by despots on suicide missions.

Budaatum replying to your wiki quote

The Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances refers to three identical political agreements signed at the OSCE conference in Budapest, Hungary on 5 December 1994 to provide security assurances by its signatories relating to the accession of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT). The memorandum was originally signed by three nuclear powers: the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom and the United States. China and France gave somewhat weaker individual assurances in separate documents.

The memorandum included security assurances against threats or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan.

benalvino3:
Also to the wiki quote, england and the USA promise Ukraine they would protect them if they give up their nukes

Where did you get this from!?

budaatum:
That is your own facts. It's that same facts that countries like North Korea have, and Iran, and USA, and perhaps India and Pakistan.

UK can't ever use a nuclear bomb on anyone and most would laugh at us if we threatened anyone with them, but I don't see anyone threatening us nor many many nations that don't have nukes.

They are pretty much unusable, except by despots on suicide missions.

If they ever use nuke on any nation then why do they have nukes? To blow up asteroid?

benalvino3:
Budaatum replying to your wiki quote

You knew I'd ask, lol.

First, a memorandum, and not an agreement. And for what Ukraine did not control

Until then, Ukraine had the world's third-largest nuclear weapons stockpile,[3][4] of which Ukraine had physical but no operational control. Russia controlled the codes needed to operate the nuclear weapons through electronic Permissive Action Links and the Russian command and control system, although from 1992 Ukraine had physical access to some of the warheads but no ability to launch them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances

Compared your "memorandum" to "as presented in a statement to the House of Commons by the British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain on 31 March 1939 (formalized by the British on 6 April 1939; not ratified until 4 September 1939 by the French" and tell me which is toothless.

benalvino3:
If they ever use nuke on any nation then why do they have nukes? To blow up asteroid?

They think it mutually assures their destruction, but do not avoid informing me how wrong I am if a nuke is ever used.

A nation that uses nukes on any nation would only not be nuked itself because of human mercy.

We will blame Putin, for instance if he uses them, and would find it hard to nuke Russians.

feedthenation:
---This Putin war is not about Ukraine wanting to join NATO---he's main goal is about bringing Ukraine under Russia rule indirectly---have a rule by proxy---just like Belarus president---Putin being a despot is afraid of democracy---and democratic elected president in Ukraine---Did the U.S. attacked Cuba in 1962 during the Cuban Missile Crisis?---

---Putin said Russia is conducting a 'peacekeeping mission' in Ukraine to protect ethnic Russians of the two regions who declared independent States last week---now within 4 days he's putting Russia nuclear deterrent force on high alert---what are his rationale behind this---*desperation* in one word---

---The longer this goes on---Putin will not win the war---Ukraine will lose much more---and world economy will be greatly affected---war is never a good solution---

I don't want to believe that some people still think that this war is about NATO.

Putin himself did not tell his people that it had to do with NATO as his defenders on naira land would like us to believe that was not what he told his people according to him Ukraine does not have a right to exist and he must "demilitarise" and "denazify" Ukraine.
.

budaatum:
They think it mutually assures their destruction, but do not avoid informing me how wrong I am if a nuke is ever used.

A nation that uses nukes on any nation would only not be nuked itself because of human mercy.

We will blame Putin, for instance if he uses them, and would find it hard to nuke Russians.

So in other words they will use nuke on another nation? Russia does not want to use nukes as well. Put they will use it if they know the odds are against them just like North korea.

Russia knows NATO cannot be contained so it's nuke will be use.

benalvino3:
So in other words they will use nuke on another nation?

The exact opposite, ben. My own opinion is that in these days, only a mad person like Putin, could "use nuke on another nation", and even his own people will be against him.

The world would not so easily accept the destruction of so many people in one go these days.

Freefall

Ummm....maybe higher at mallam aboki mai kudi market?

gambojimeta:
Freefall