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benalvino3:
They have found a someone who will take a deal. He has to plead guilty for a crime that does not exist. Since he pleaded guilty for seditious conspiracy... There has to be others in the oath keepers who will be indicted with that crime else it is a hogwash

People pleade guilty for crimes they did not commit all the time.

Prosecutors wear you down. You hire lawyers , they charge in a courthouse 500km away. They will be interrogating you say twice a week.
You have to pay the lawyers.
After a few trips you are worn down , Just take a plea.

Banana republic.

basilico:
Prosecutors wear you down. You hire lawyers , they charge in a courthouse 500km away. They will be interrogating you say twice a week.
You have to pay the lawyers.
After a few trips you are worn down , Just take a plea.

Banana republic.

We have seen such thing. Like the kidnap plot the FBI planned then push one of the victims to the front (him pleading guilty).

raumdeuter:
There is a difference between being friends with Epstein and being seen on Epsteins Island with underage girls like Clinton was

If you can point to a Republican president caught with underage girls you might have a point but since you claim you don't care about family values then Clinton shouldn't be committing perjury for what is expected of a Democrat

And you think someone cannot infer that your being friends with someone cannot also mean that one has first hand knowledge about what the person does right? or being an accessory to the fact even if you were not caught in the act Trump flew with him as well
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/11/30/us/ghislaine-maxwell-pilot/index.html

I will not descend so low to talk about whataboutism with you to defend Clinton whom I have no respect for.

But I can point a republiQan president with over 20 allegations of sexual assault and the one on caught hot mic talking about "grabbing them by the pxxxxxx"
The report feedthenation reported was about a congressman you went ahead to talk about Bill Clinton you are talking about having a point but failed to realise that Bill Clinton and Van Taylor's situation was different with no need bringing it up but because I brought Trump into it you are trying to tell me that they are not the same or proportional can you see how smart you how, you did not remember this when you brought in Clinton to the discussion abi?

I did not say I don't care about family values I only pointed out the hypocrisy of today's republiQan party that claims to be one of family values which democrats don't claim to be yet worship a man who cheated on all three wives and grabbing them by the pee with allegations of sexual assaults against him and some dumb evangelicals say he was sent by God even Clinton is not regarded in the democratic party today compared to your god Trump who republiQans still cower to so much yet claim to be the party of family values.If your family of family values had shame Trump would never have been the nominee

I will not go on whataboutism with you because it just sounds silly and stop seeing silly things as us against them it doesn't help your cause it just means that as long as they do it also it is not a crime and your whataboutism comparison does not always make sense.

AmazonTopaz:
And you think someone cannot infer that your being friends with someone cannot also mean that one has first hand knowledge about what the person does right? or being an accessory to the fact even if you were not caught in the act Trump flew with him as well
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/11/30/us/ghislaine-maxwell-pilot/index.html

I will not descend so low to talk about whataboutism with you to defend Clinton whom I have no respect for.

But I can point a republiQan president with over 20 allegations of sexual assault and the one on caught hot mic talking about "grabbing them by the pxxxxxx"
The report feedthenation reported was about a congressman you went ahead to talk about Bill Clinton you are talking about having a point but failed to realise that Bill Clinton and Van Taylor's situation was different with no need bringing it up but because I brought Trump into it you are trying to tell me that they are not the same or proportional can you see how smart you how, you did not remember this when you brought in Clinton to the discussion abi?

I did not say I don't care about family values I only pointed out the hypocrisy of today's republiQan party that claims to be one of family values which democrats don't claim to be yet worship a man who cheated on all three wives and grabbing them by the pee with allegations of sexual assaults against him and some dumb evangelicals say he was sent by God even Clinton is not regarded in the democratic party today compared to your god Trump who republiQans still cower to so much yet claim to be the party of family values.If your family of family values had shame Trump would never have been the nominee

I will not go on whataboutism with you because it just sounds silly and stop seeing silly things as us against them it doesn't help your cause it just means that as long as they do it also it is not a crime and your whataboutism comparison does not always make sense.

Clinton has committed more sexual crimes than any politician in American history. He remains the only president who was impeached on issues relating to sexual misconduct in white house

Clinton where the entire presidential debate hall was half filled with women who he had sex with

In recently unsealed court documents involving dead child sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein and his alleged accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell, a woman named Virginia Giuffre, who publicly accused Epstein of sex trafficking, said that she once saw former Democratic President Bill Clinton on Epstein's island with "two young girls" from New York.

you seem to be talking to a stone. Orange man bad. The rest of leftist scum can do no wrong.

raumdeuter:
Clinton has committed more sexual crimes than any politician in American history. He remains the only president who was impeached on issues relating to sexual misconduct in white house

Clinton where the entire presidential debate hall was half filled with women who he had sex with

In recently unsealed court documents involving dead child sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein and his alleged accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell, a woman named Virginia Giuffre, who publicly accused Epstein of sex trafficking, said that she once saw former Democratic President Bill Clinton on Epstein's island with "two young girls" from New York.

benalvino3:
They have found a someone who will take a deal. He has to plead guilty for a crime that does not exist. Since he pleaded guilty for seditious conspiracy... There has to be others in the oath keepers who will be indicted with that crime else it is a hogwash

People pleade guilty for crimes they did not commit all the time.

Was waiting for your excuse.

Smart people lawyer up and plead not guilty even if they did commit the crime, but we now know people like you "plead guilty for crimes they did not commit all the time", lol.

basilico:
Prosecutors wear you down. You hire lawyers , they charge in a courthouse 500km away. They will be interrogating you say twice a week.
You have to pay the lawyers.
After a few trips you are worn down , Just take a plea.

Banana republic.

Shows how much of a weakling you must be.

Fighters never give up whatever you throw at them because the cost of pleading guilty is huge and will affect your entire life moreso if its for a crime you did not commit.

But then, it's basilico. Kraken is always more valid than the truth.

budaatum:
Shows how much of a weakling you must be.

Fighters never give up whatever you throw at them because the cost of pleading guilty is huge and will affect your entire life moreso if its for a crime you did not commit.

But then, it's basilico. Kraken is always more valid than the truth.

You are ignorant. An attorney bills you by the hour. If you have to attend the hearings some hundred kilometers away You will pay for his flights and accommodation full board too not in some lousy hotel remember.. When the prosecutor urges you to plead guilty in return for a reduced sentencing Else the case drags on for as long as possible. The easier option is to plead guilty.
But then its Budaa.

budaatum:
Was waiting for your excuse.

Smart people lawyer up and plead not guilty even if they did commit the crime, but we now know people like you "plead guilty for crimes they did not commit all the time", lol.

Kyle Rittenhouse former lawyer wanted him to rot in jail.

Read this https://guiltypleaproblem.org/

The Justice Department moved Thursday to drop charges against President Trump’s former national security adviser Michael Flynn, a stunning reversal that prompted fresh accusations from law enforcement officials and Democrats that the criminal justice system was caving to political pressure from the administration.

The unraveling of Flynn’s guilty plea for lying to the FBI came after senior political appointees in the Justice Department determined lower-level prosecutors and agents erred egregiously in the course of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 election.

In court documents filed Thursday, the Justice Department said that “after a considered review of all the facts and circumstances of this case, including newly discovered and disclosed information . . . the government has concluded that [Flynn’s interview by the FBI in January 2017] was untethered to, and unjustified by, the FBI’s counterintelligence investigation into Mr. Flynn,” and that it was “conducted without any legitimate investigative basis.”

basilico:
You are ignorant. An attorney bills you by the hour. If you have to attend the hearings some hundred kilometers away You will pay for his flights and accommodation full board too not in some lousy hotel remember.. When the prosecutor urges you to plead guilty in return for a reduced sentencing Else the case drags on for as long as possible. The easier option is to plead guilty.
But then its Budaa.

A reduced sentence for a crime I committed, perhaps, but sedition is not a reduced crime last time I checked, and is the most serious crime a Jan 6 participant has been found guilty of so far.

Only an ignorant person will plead guilty to a greater crime than they committed bas, and a prosecutor can not urge you to plead!

benalvino3:
Kyle Rittenhouse former lawyer wanted him to rot in jail.

Read this https://guiltypleaproblem.org/

And he smartly got himself a lawyer to fight and save him from jail instead of him pleading guilty to a crime he never committed, which should teach you and bas a thing or two but which I doubt.

budaatum:
A reduced sentence for a crime I committed, perhaps, but sedition is not a reduced crime last time I checked, and is the most serious crime a Jan 6 participant has been found guilty of so far.

Only an ignorant person will plead guilty to a greater crime than they committed bas, and a prosecutor can not urge you to plead!

Always diverting when you cant provide a coherent answer. Murder is not the only crime that sends people to jail. Ben gave an example of an overzealous prosecutor.

raumdeuter:
Clinton has committed more sexual crimes than any politician in American history. He remains the only president who was impeached on issues relating to sexual misconduct in white house

Clinton where the entire presidential debate hall was half filled with women who he had sex with

In recently unsealed court documents involving dead child sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein and his alleged accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell, a woman named Virginia Giuffre, who publicly accused Epstein of sex trafficking, said that she once saw former Democratic President Bill Clinton on Epstein's island with "two young girls" from New York.

Oh my goodness when will you learn to stop conflating issues in the name of whataboutism, who was arguing about Clinton with you did you see me defending him like you are making excuses for RepubliQans by bringing in exaggerating things will you take several seats and stop defending the indefensible by saying oh they did it first so it is okay if I did it, that is not a defence anywhere

If your party even cared about issues of sexual misconduct which they impeached Clinton for Trump would not have been the nominee if RepubliQans had an ounce of shame the same ones like Lindsey Graham who voted to impeach Clinton would not have cowered to Trump and supported him when he became the nominee and all other offences agent orange committed.It only just exposes republiQan hypocrisy.

Do better

basilico:
Always diverting when you cant provide a coherent answer. Murder is not the only crime that sends people to jail. Ben gave an example of an overzealous prosecutor.

They even threatened to go after flynns son. They can use various tactics and threats to make someone plead guilty. So till they start to charge other oath keepers with the same crime... This is nonsense.

They must have evidence right? To implicate others.

basilico:
Always diverting when you cant provide a coherent answer. Murder is not the only crime that sends people to jail. Ben gave an example of an overzealous prosecutor.

Ben also gave examples of overzealous defenders who refused to plead guilty to crimes they did not commit, but of course you wouldn't see that, and neither would Ben who posted it.

benalvino3:
They even threatened to go after flynns son. They can use various tactics and threats to make someone plead guilty. So till they start to charge other oath keepers with the same crime... This is nonsense.

They must have evidence right? To implicate others.

They made up the crime, harassed him and bankrupted him. And as you mentioned wanted to go after his son. They took him before a corrupt judge who had a huge conflict in the case when he first pled guilty and that Judge Contreras had to recuse himself.
This is unforgivable corruption. The other judge stayed on the case refusing acquittal even when the DoJ had withdrawn on the sham case.
Ive also looked at rulings by second judge and you can tell clearly he was in on the plan to get rid of Flynn.
Budaa cant see that, probably typing this from a pub.

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budaatum:
Ben also gave examples of overzealous defenders who refused to plead guilty to crimes they did not commit, but of course you wouldn't see that, and neither would Ben who posted it.

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Thou vex my soul.

basilico:
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Thou vex my soul.

I'm delighted that I do. It means your soul is disagreeing with your kraken, which might make your mind listen some.

basilico:
They made up the crime, harassed him and bankrupted him. And as you mentioned wanted to go after his son. They took him before a corrupt judge who had a huge conflict in the case when he first pled guilty and that Judge Contreras had to recuse himself.
This is unforgivable corruption. The other judge stayed on the case refusing acquittal even when the DoJ had withdrawn on the sham case.
Ive also looked at rulings by second judge and you can tell clearly he was in on the plan to get rid of Flynn.
Budaa cant see that, probably typing this from a pub.

The beauty of the American legal system is you can appeal instead of plead guilty to a crime you never committed, and if the prosecutor acted improperly you can even sue for loss and hurt and damage.

basilico:
They made up the crime, harassed him and bankrupted him. And as you mentioned wanted to go after his son. They took him before a corrupt judge who had a huge conflict in the case when he first pled guilty and that Judge Contreras had to recuse himself.
This is unforgivable corruption. The other judge stayed on the case refusing acquittal even when the DoJ had withdrawn on the sham case.
Ive also looked at rulings by second judge and you can tell clearly he was in on the plan to get rid of Flynn.
Budaa cant see that, probably typing this from a pub.

Michael Cohen pleaded Guilty to a non crime of paying hush money to stormy. Guess who made him plea guilty to that... Clinton lawyer so he can implicate trump.

So budaatum saying getting a lawyer is mute. Some cant afford it... Some lawyers will work against you. Expecially when it's government related

budaatum:
The beauty of the American legal system is you can appeal instead of plead guilty to a crime you never committed, and if the prosecutor acted improperly you can even sue for loss and hurt and damage.

Stop twisting and turning. We saw how an obama judge refused to let Flynns case go. From the cops to the judges... The system is filled with actors.

budaatum:
I'm delighted that I do. It means your soul is disagreeing with your kraken, which might make your mind listen some.

Stop wasting our time. Go watch these informative videos about the Russian Ukraine conflict.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2GmtBCVHzY

And also this one.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1WL2VJOn2A

benalvino3:
Stop twisting and turning. We saw how an obama judge refused to let Flynns case go. From the cops to the judges... The system is filled with actors.

I doubt Obama was in office during Flynn, but I guess your Obama obsession wouldn't see that, just as you fail to notice Trump nominated judges rule against him lots of times

Fact is, Flynn was let go, which shows the legal system in America works a lot better than you seem to think.

And what has "Russian Ukraine conflict" got to do with pleading guilty to a crime you never committed?

Are you trying to show you just can't defend yourself for the crime you did commit?

basilico:
Stop wasting our time. Go watch these informative videos about the Russian Ukraine conflict.

https://youtu.be/t2GmtB CVHzY

And also this one.

https://youtu.be/l1WL2VJO n2A

budaatum:
I doubt Obama was in office during Flynn, but I guess your Obama obsession wouldn't see that, just as you fail to notice Trump nominated judges rule against him lots of times

Fact is, Flynn was let go, which shows the legal system in America works a lot better than you seem to think.

They cooked up a case. Dragged him to court. Spent his money paying lawyers . Sham case took years to complete. How is that justice or a legal system.
And yes Obama and Biden are the ones who started the case knowing it had no substance,

budaatum:
And what has "Russian Ukraine conflict" got to do with pleading guilty to a crime you never committed?

Are you trying to show you just can't defend yourself for the crime you did commit?

You are either idle or you are Budaa as usual. Very obnoxious many times.
Just watch those videos they will give you a better insight on the Russia Ukraine. A link to add to your knowledge

Ben, watch those two videos too.

benalvino3:
Michael Cohen pleaded Guilty to a non crime of paying hush money to stormy. Guess who made him plea guilty to that... Clinton lawyer so he can implicate trump.

So budaatum saying getting a lawyer is mute. Some cant afford it... Some lawyers will work against you. Expecially when it's government related

Don't you think it will be rather dumb of you to hire a lawyer who works against your interest?

Isn't that like buying a car that has a dodgy engine? I guess that wouldn't be your fault, Ben. Irresponsible you would likely blame the seller.

budaatum:
I doubt Obama was in office during Flynn, but I guess your Obama obsession wouldn't see that, just as you fail to notice Trump nominated judges rule against him lots of times

Fact is, Flynn was let go, which shows the legal system in America works a lot better than you seem to think.

When you start to take a legal stand against a judge for not letting go a case that was dropped by the DOJ for setting up an innocent man... That's far from a system that works.

Obama was told Hillary is cooking up a fake Russia collusion crap... He knew and let it happen which his plants from different part of the Justice system were handling.

If the system works, how come the special cancel called to do the investigation was not actually the one doing it? Instead it was filled with Clinton gangs

budaatum:
Don't you think it will be rather dumb of you to hire a lawyer who works against your interest?

Isn't that like buying a car that has a dodgy engine? I guess that wouldn't be your fault, Ben. Irresponsible you would likely blame the seller.

Ask Cohen why he hires Clinton's lawyer when he was a trump guy.

Why did he pleade guilty for a non crime and then say it's trump that told him to commit that crime?

The people who were going after him must have gotten to his head.

This post shows the gibberish of your mind.

Clean it up some and I might respond to it.

benalvino3:
When you start to take a legal stand against a judge for not letting go a case that was dropped by the DOJ for setting up an innocent man... That's far from a system that works.

Obama was told Hillary is cooking up a fake Russia collusion crap... He knew and let it happen which his plants from different part of the Justice system were handling.

If the system works, how come the special cancel called to do the investigation was not actually the one doing it? Instead it was filled with Clinton gangs

benalvino3:
Ask Cohen why he hires Clinton's lawyer when he was a trump guy.

Why did he pleade guilty for a non crime and then say it's trump that told him to commit that crime?

The people who were going after him must have gotten to his head.

Cohen is a lawyer. He knows the difference between a crime and a "non crime", and was smart enough to hire a lawyer who worked in his own interest. After all, if Cohen lied it would cost him.

But of course, your kraken excuse will be more valid to you than the truth.