The buck-passing between Poland and the US over the possible use of elderly MiG-29s to hit Russian forces inside Ukraine is one of the west’s few diplomatic failures of the past month. It also raises questions about how far European countries are prepared to escalate militarily before they believe they will touch a dangerous Russian tripwire.

The US and Europe have worked hard to keep their differences over sanctions and oil embargos to a public minimum, and tried to accommodate each other’s national interests.

So it was striking on Tuesday when first the Pentagon described a Polish offer to send plans to the US airbase in Mannheim as “untenable”, then the deputy US secretary of state said the US had not been consulted about the plan.

Part of the problem was that the Polish proposal was subtly but critically different to a scheme that had been previously discussed in private. Against the backdrop of highly charged diplomatic tensions, presentation matters.

In essence Poland said it would cooperate in strengthening the Ukrainian air force so long as this would be seen in Moscow as a US, Nato or EU scheme, but not a Polish one.

In its original US-conceived iteration, the proposal was a trilateral deal whereby Poland would hand over the MiGs to Ukrainian pilots to fly into their homeland, and the US would then provide some substitute planes. Boris Johnson, an enthusiast, described the plan as “rent a MiG”.

That proposal, arguably, was not qualitatively different to Nato members providing Ukraine with Javelin anti-tank missiles. In return, Poland would eventually fill the hole in its air force with 28 F-16s being provided by the US.

But under private pressure from the US, Poland felt the plan unduly exposed its citizens to Putin’s ire. So instead, in a game of diplomatic pass the parcel, Poland tweaked the proposals so the planes would be sent free of charge to the US airbase in Ramstein, Germany, rather than being flown out of Poland into Ukraine. The move would literally take Poland out of the line of Russia’s fire since the plan could be labelled as that of the US, Nato or the EU.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/09/clash-over-poland-and-us-missile-plans-reveals-tensions-in-escalating-war

Poland want USA to takeover the jets and hand it over to Ukrainians.
Poland want to fly the jets to USA base in Germany then from there Ukrainians can fly it to Ukraine but the German government don’t want that.
German, UK and USA government said Poland is closer to Ukraine than their own countries.
Poland citizens kicked against those jets going to Ukraine from Poland as they remembered how the so called allies left them in 1930s.
UK and USA want to push Poland to shark and said see we warned Poland not to do it.

The polish government are smart. If they hadn't come up with this, they would have been the ones to bear the brunt of Russia's response. Since everyone knows Putin isn't joking about his statements, it has become very necessary to act wisely when getting involved in the Ukrainian issue.

seunny4lif:
Poland want USA to takeover the jets and hand it over to Ukrainians.
Poland want to fly the jets to USA base in Germany then from there Ukrainians can fly it to Ukraine but the German government don’t want that.
German, UK and USA government said a

All of them are avoiding the responsibility cos they are very sure Putin isn't joking right now and they want to absolve themselves from the blame.

chronique:


All of them are avoiding the responsibility cos they are very sure Putin isn't joking right now and they want to absolve themselves from the blame.

100%
Polish citizens have seen WW2 and Poland sending those jets from Poland will make Poland a target.
USA will not risk any Baltic state for NY and CA.

Polands are playing safe. They don't want the U.S and NATO to use them as experiment just like what Ukraine were used as.

Poland don finally decide to use thier senses.
Dem no want make wetin happen centuries ago replay again

Truvelisback:
Polands are playing safe. They don't want the U.S and NATO to use them as experiment just like what Ukraine were used as.

Poland have learnt from history
Pre WW2 British and French are the strongest military in the world and signed a military pact with Poland against any invasion but both failed big time

This have just proved that if Russia attack Poland(a NATO member), NATO will not come for them.

America will not risk a nuclear war with Russia over any country in Europe not even Britain.

Princewill1:
This have just proved that if Russia attack Poland(a NATO member), NATO will not come for them.

America will not risk a nuclear war with Russia over any country in Europe not even Britain.

USA don’t care about any apart from USA.
All USA neighbours are weak and that’s the reason USA can projected military adventure outside.

Poland is not foolish

That's how dey promise to defend her in ww2

Guess what neither UK or France could not save her from be divided by USSR and France


Poland done suffer for Europe very well

seunny4lif:

Poland have learnt from history
Pre WW2 British and French are the strongest military in the world and signed a military pact with Poland against any invasion but both failed big time

Exactly both France and UK could not do shit when ussr and Germany took them, UK even left France

seunny4lif:

USA don’t care about any apart from USA.
All USA neighbours are weak and that’s the reason USA can projected military adventure outside.

Yes! America will only go into a nuclear war as the last resort only if mainland America is under serious direct threat.

Nuclear war is not a joke. America will do anything possible to avoid it. Even if America were to annihilate Russia in a nuclear war, after the war USA will no longer be USA we know today.

Nuclear war heads were built for deterrent not for actual usage.

They will send it finally

Princewill1:
Yes! America will only go into a nuclear war as the last resort only if mainland America is under serious direct threat.

Nuclear war is not a joke. America will do anything possible to avoid it. Even if America were to annihilate Russia in a nuclear war, after the war USA will no longer be USA we know today.

Nuclear war heads were built for deterrent not for actual usage.

Reason why I was laughing when UK before Russia invasion of Ukraine said They will send troops to Ukraine but immediately USA announced they will not send any troops to Ukraine, UK ran away with her troops to Poland .
UK and France can’t even defend Kurds in Syria against Turk troops until those Trump made a deal with Putin when Russia troops stopped Turkish military advance.

ken6488:
Exactly both France and UK could not do shit when ussr and Germany took them, UK even left France

British did not left France.
Talk as the thing happen no dey package am

British ran away from France through English Channel

seunny4lif:

British did not left France.
Talk as the thing happen no dey package am

British ran away from France through English Channel

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When I was a kid, I believed no country can stand in USA way because of Hollywood movies and if USA wan to invade any country, they will do but Syria and Georgia war made me knew USA are powerful against defend-less nations as they could not defend Georgia and Syria against Russia
But the now, we all know

ken6488:
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seunny4lif:

When I was a kid, I believed no country can stand in USA way because of Hollywood movies and if USA wan to invade any country, they will do but Syria and Georgia made me knew USA are powerful against defend-less nations
But the now, we all know

same here I was Over brainwashed by Hollywood

Chess game. Jets are being repainted to ukraine colour.

seunny4lif:

When I was a kid, I believed no country can stand in USA way because of Hollywood movies and if USA wan to invade any country, they will do but Syria and Georgia made me knew USA are powerful against defend-less nations
But the now, we all know

When did usa invade Georgia?

joyandfaith:


When did usa invade Georgia?

I mean USA could not saved Georgia from Russia military after promises made to Georgia just like Ukraine

Princewill1:
This have just proved that if Russia attack Poland(a NATO member), NATO will not come for them.

America will not risk a nuclear war with Russia over any country in Europe not even Britain.

Russia will not risk a nuclear war with USA or any NATO member. Do you think nuclear war is a joke.

joyandfaith:
Chess game. Jets are being repainted to ukraine colour.

Paint is not the problem.
No country want to want the aircraft to fly from their base to Ukraine because that will mean one thing, the particular country has join the war officially.

joyandfaith:

Russia will not risk a nuclear war with USA or any NATO member. Do you think nuclear war is a joke.

USA is the head NATO but already said the war did not concern them.
Unless the jets are been transport through trains to Ukraine from Poland

seunny4lif:

I mean USA could not saved Georgia from Russia military after promises made to Georgia just like Ukraine

When did USA make such promise? Georgia and USA do not have military alliance. Military alliance is not an easy thing. Even Russia and China do not have military pact. They don't trust themselves. They are just like Nazi Germany and USSR. Germany eventually invaded USSR.

seunny4lif:

USA is the head NATO but already said the war did not concern them.
Unless the jets are been transport through trains to Ukraine from Poland

Proxy war is going on in Ukraine. Welcome to cold war 2.

seunny4lif:

Paint is not the problem.
No country want to want the aircraft to fly from their base to Ukraine because that will mean one thing, the particular country has join the war officially.

Are u saying Ukraine cannot buy fighter jets from another country?

joyandfaith:


Are u saying Ukraine cannot buy fighter jets from another country?

Ukraine can buy but it can’t transfer it to Ukraine.
You think all these options have not be checked
Ukraine can’t even get the drone they paid from Turkey because airspace over Ukraine is controlled by Russia.
Turkey military aircrafts that went to Ukraine before the war broke out can’t even leave Ukraine till now.

Ukraine Foreign min will travel to Turkey at the request of Turkey to Russia to allow the aircraft to fly else Russia will shoot it down

It's funny how the jets are on reverse, flying backward to Germany instead of forward to Ukraine

No who no get sense go suffer pass

seunny4lif:
Poland want USA to takeover the jets and hand it over to Ukrainians.
Poland want to fly the jets to USA base in Germany then from there Ukrainians can fly it to Ukraine but the German government don’t want that.
German, UK and USA government said Poland is closer to Ukraine than their own countries.
Poland citizens kicked against those jets going to Ukraine from Poland as they remembered how the so called allies left them in 1930s.
UK and USA want to push Poland to shark and said see we warned Poland not to do it.

German citizens will protect against that.
NATO or no NATO nobody in German want another war.
WW1 and WW2 is bad enough

Svlla:


It's funny how the jets are on reverse, flying backward to Germany instead of forward to Ukraine

No who no get sense go suffer pass

joyandfaith:


When did USA make such promise? Georgia and USA do not have military alliance. Military alliance is not an easy thing. Even Russia and China do not have military pact. They don't trust themselves. They are just like Nazi Germany and USSR. Germany eventually invaded USSR.

Georgia president said it himself many times and he even said it when he was eating tie
It’s on YouTube