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HIGHESTPOPORI:
He was incumbent

Not only that, northern governors supposed him. When they left him in 2015 he failed to win.

biggtonny:
I'm from the south south. The very truth of the matter is that if PDP wants to win the next presidential election, it is logical it picks a very strong candidate from the north. That is the bitter truth.

I just hope PDP members think this way. When you get power back, you can now discuss fairness. In fairness sef, na north suppose get PDP now. Southerners have ruled more years under PDP than their northern brothers

Let Atiku fly PDP ticket while Tinubu fly APC ticket.


Since Nigerians love suffering and celebrate injustice.

Kingozymandias:
It's not the turn of the Southsouth, it's the turn of the southeast.
The silence of the Southeast should worry everyone .. rightfully it's our turn to elad this great nation.. we are not more bedeviled with problems than any other tribe yet we are being denied our rightful shot at the fixing this nation .
Some people have asked me have we fixed the southeast ? I laugh because other regions have ruled yet they are still battling myriad problems so why are my people being denied our turn?

Salty suddenly zoning that has been used by every region to secure the slot has been jettisoned now it's the turn of my people and it Futher makes us feel disenfranchised and and marginalized.

Then tomorrow you turn around and wonder why sesssionists had such a willing ear in the people to listen?

You can't deny a people their rights and make them feel less and expect them to willingly want to stay in Nigeria .. that is wrong and tantamount to bullying.

Who in his or her right conscience can say it's not the turn of the Igbos ? Please who can in good honest faith say this ?

Why push a people so hard to the point just telling yourself they can do nothing ? Really ? A nation can never be built by brute force but by inter Corporations and unity. Let me tell you my fellow NIGERIANS , IPOB didn't have up to 10% of the Igbo people support forget those iliterate touts and their social media propaganda. But to deny my people our right this time around for whatever reason is telling the remaining 90% of us who rejected ipob that maybe just maybe those touts have a point.

Yes power isn't given ,yes I agree but as ever other region had it zoned to them and a consensus picked so should it be done for the Southeast

In 2003 PDP fielded OBJ.....APP fielded buhari even though its believed that others ceeded the presidency to yorubas...but in APP they fielded a northerner as per their own calculations. In App/acn/apc the calculation is that a northerner first then a southerner.
But in pdp a southerner has ruled....handed over to a northerner who was suceeded by a southerner hence the next President to be produced by pdp should be a northerner. While also in Apc the outgoing president is a northerner so their next president will come from the south and since the south westerners are influential in apc the ticket will most likely go to them.

No amount of emotional blackmail will change all these dynamics in the different parties.
Ibos should force PDP to give them the ticket. For Apc their ticket goes south and south west for equity since while the south westerners were alligning with APC yall were calling us slaves and apc an islamic party.....are you not ashamed of begging the same almajiri party to give you its ticket?

Someone pls tell charles to contest for presidency, we are tired of these riff raffs.

Honestly, 2023 is a conundrum.

But Goodluck Jonathan defeated Buhari with a very large margin in 2011 presidential election where majority of Muslims voted for Buhari and majority of Christians voted for Goodluck Jonathan.(i.e the voting was purely along regional and religious lines) Nigerians have short memories

athaboi:
This is just simple!
For now, the PDP just need to win the election then go back to look at justice. Even if the parties decide to zone their tickets to south east let's say PDP gives peter obi and APC gives orji kalu, Orji will still win bcoz they are in power and North will definitely vote their party! But a situation where APC gives a southerner their ticket let's say tinubu and PDP gives Atiku then forget it...Atiku will win. So it's either PDP stakeholders in the south have patience or they try and see how it ends

Ask what MKO Abiola did to Tofa.

There are many in the south that command more respect and followers in the North than even Tambuwal and Atiku

But Goodluck Jonathan defeated Buhari with a very large margin in 2011 presidential election where majority of Muslims voted for Buhari and majority of Christians voted for Goodluck Jonathan.(i.e the voting was purely along regional and religious lines) . Nigerians have short memories

Difrent:
In 2003 PDP fielded OBJ.....APP fielded buhari even though its believed that others ceeded the presidency to yorubas...but in APP they fielded a northerner as per their own calculations. In App/acn/apc the calculation is that a northerner first then a southerner.
But in pdp a southerner has ruled....handed over to a northerner who was suceeded by a southerner hence the next President to be produced by pdp should be a northerner. While also in Apc the outgoing president is a northerner so their next president will come from the south and since the south westerners are influential in apc the ticket will most likely go to them.

No amount of emotional blackmail will change all these dynamics in the different parties.
Ibos should force PDP to give them the ticket. For Apc their ticket goes south and south west for equity since while the south westerners were alligning with APC yall were calling us slaves and apc an islamic party.....are you not ashamed of begging the same almajiri party to give you its ticket?

I get your point, being that since Igbos chipped their tent majorly with PaDP then that's where our main grievance should be borne? You are correct but like I said. This isn't emotional blackmail, even from your right up it shows you are a man of honour and also acknowledge it's the right turn of the Igbos albeit partisan to pdp but still .

Now the right would have been for every party to feild an Igbo candidate in am ideal world ,but alas.we aren't in am ideal world.. unfortunately the reality is not giviing us our turn will not go well and all politicial elders in our nation are echoing the same tune.

seunmsg:
Absolute nonsense. Jonathan won the election in 2011 so what’s he saying?

Is Tambuwal saying the north cannot vote for a southern PDP candidate despite having the presidency for 8 years? Why then should the south vote for a northern PDP candidate when they can’t do the same to us?

The greed of Northern PDP leaders is unbelievable. They must think southerners are stupid. They simply want to cheat the south of what truly belongs to the them and it’s left for southern PDP leaders to respond. Since APC is presenting a southern candidate, I see no reason why PDP should not do the same. In a battle of two southern candidates, I don’t see any reason why PDP should be scared.

Omo. The fear is real. Focus on APC abeg. We know what's better in PDP. We'd get power first (by bringing in a northerner), then discuss zoning rules afterwards. In fact, that's the right thing to do. Obj was a southerner. He ruled for 8 years. GEJ was a southerner, he ruled for 4 years, plus the almost 2 years as acting president. Yaradua was the only northerner. He ruled for only about 2¹/2 years. It's a northerner we want now. And yes, we are scared of southerner-southerner candidate. We'd bring a northerner. Let's fight to the death.

Bleep who ever must have been going about with this believe the leadership is for the North alone. I say Bleep them once again.

[quote author= post=111260828]SOUTH EAST: IS IT NOT TOO LATE?

I have read the recent transmissions by Senator Bukola Saraki directed at my Igbo tribe. I have deliberately kept mum on this as I had earlier resolved to speak less on Igbos as regards the 2019 Elections and 2023 Presidency having said quite a bit. 

However seeing as some of my brethren have swallowed the cheap bait, I will chip this in just to keep the reality before us, at least for posterity sake. Truth is bitter but it's still the best medicine. 

My people say; 'He who does not remember where the rain started beating him, will not remember where it stopped'. 

REWIND TO 2014. 
A new National Party was being conceived. Political Parties, political players and Regions were being wooed to the new alliance. 

'We' Igbos (read South East) vehemently refused to touch it even with a long pole. We packaged, sold to ourselves and bought the baseless propaganda that it was an Islamic alliance that would birth an "Islamic" and "Hausa" Party. Simply because those our brethren heavily invested in the PDP at the time were afraid of losing their vested selfish interests.
Till today I'm still trying to fathom the basis for that wicked and twisted deceit especially as many of those Igbo elites who sold that dummy have since ported to the same APC.

We failed to even identify with that new Alliance. Hence the Party, APC was birthed without any remarkable input from us or presence. The few amongst us who aligned were called all kinds of names and abused to high heavens by us even when they were proven right afterall.

Thus the few Igbos who were part of it were at best fringe players as they didn't have the required clout to make serious demands and do the necessary political wheeling and dealing required in Politics to strike the hard bargains since politics is all about interests and numbers. They were even suspect, so much so that it was only their personal political sagacity that gave them whatever they got.

That Party went on to win the Presidential Election which in truth, most of us never believed it could or would, because of our half baked permutations and poor understanding of Nigerian politics. But it did. 

Curiously we turned up at the fore front of telling this same Party how it should share it's 'spoils of war'. We became hypocritical moral champions with an over bloated sense of entitlement. Who does that, in all political reality and practicality? But we did, even while vehemently and vociferously still refusing to shift our position, style and rhethoric.

We dug in. Supported every bad thing and person against the Party, the elected President and the Administration while denying any and every good done to and for our Region.

Fast forward to where we are today. Almost four years after the 2015 misadventure, we have stayed put at 2015, refusing to move forward, refusing to shift grounds, refusing to play pragmatic politics, telling ourselves the same lies we cooked and bought in 2015 and some more. 

Now barely 5 months to another election, we have started again saying "APC cannot give Presidency to Igbos in 2023". "Buhari cannot hand over to an Igbo man because Buhari hates Igbos". "APC is deceiving you", bla bla bla.

Of course. We will believe Saraki, who has only but a fanthom dream of becoming President and whose only known record is selfishness but we can't believe Buhari who's already President and who has a record of voluntarily picking two great Igbo sons as running mates in the past? Chukwu aju.

It is interesting and vital to note here that the PDP which many of us still proudly support and adore was in power for 16 solid years and in those years there were 4 Presidential Inaugurations and on none of those was an Igbo man found worthy by the PDP of even Vice Presidency and we are still bold to say it is the APC that has not even finished one and a half tenure that doesn't want to give power to Igbos. Odi nma. 

NOW; Seriously, let's be sincere. As things stand today politically, why would the APC even hand power to us Igbos in 2023? 
On what grounds? 
On what records?
On what politics?
Is power given to anyone? 
Is it an appeasement or a gift? 

The APC is a political party. The main focus of a political Party is to hold power and keep it to enable it deliver on its agenda. So if the APC reads that the SE does not want the Presidency or does not have the capacity to help them win and keep power, they will stick with the regions that can and work with individuals who are interested. 

Make no mistake, I have always said, I do not blame us Igbos for the decision majority of us took in 2015. It's our right. But continuing to pretend that it was other regions, Buhari or the APC that made us do what we did then or remain where we are today is purely self deceit and I refuse to play that ostrich game. 

As far back as 2014, I and many others made that argument that Igbo Presidency was very feasible in 2023, ONLY under under the APC, ONLY IF we did a couple of things right politically. I personally continued to speak loudly on that even after the 2015 elections until when I realized that we were not ready to play the politics that was required and now I dare say it may be too late. Or is it not? Time will tell.

For now, we can continue to tell ourselves that we cannot hold the Presidency of Nigeria. I heard and read many of our brethren go from PDP to Biafra/seccesion (read IPOB) to Referendum to "Igbos do not need Presidency but Restructuring" etc forgetting that all that didn't lie squarely with us alone. We think other regions are not reading our body language?

I really don't care what Saraki writes or says because they've all come to realize that it's very easy to play us like a flute. So like Saraki, like Fani Kayode, like Fayose, like Atiku, even Jonah Jang of all people, they keep playing us.

I've learnt not to bother myself anymore to avoid unnecessary mentions from nonentities.
As some of us have said, it's good governance we want, even if only one village will be producing the Presidents. So be it.

Ka Chineke mezie okwu. [/quote]Just keep quiet please

Who made you Igbo?
You don't in anyway have any attribute of an average Igbo man.

The only Igbo line you know is "ka chukwu mezie okwu" that is all.

After supporting your darling daddy in mishandling the country, you're now talking from another side of your mouth.

Bleep them

mcmbonu:
No region can win election without the support of others

I'm from the south south. The very truth of the matter is that if PDP wants to win the next presidential election, it is logical it picks a very strong candidate from the north. That is the bitter truth

That is why we say without restructuring we will continue to go round in circles.
Only restructuring will change this narrative and make the criteria purely meritorious.
The way we are going, we are headed for another set of poor quality candidates and invariably a poor quality resident of Aso Rock post 2023.

Kingozymandias:
It's not the turn of the Southsouth, it's the turn of the southeast.
The silence of the Southeast should worry everyone .. rightfully it's our turn to elad this great nation.. we are not more bedeviled with problems than any other tribe yet we are being denied our rightful shot at the fixing this nation .
Some people have asked me have we fixed the southeast ? I laugh because other regions have ruled yet they are still battling myriad problems so why are my people being denied our turn?

Salty suddenly zoning that has been used by every region to secure the slot has been jettisoned now it's the turn of my people and it Futher makes us feel disenfranchised and and marginalized.

Then tomorrow you turn around and wonder why sesssionists had such a willing ear in the people to listen?

You can't deny a people their rights and make them feel less and expect them to willingly want to stay in Nigeria .. that is wrong and tantamount to bullying.

Who in his or her right conscience can say it's not the turn of the Igbos ? Please who can in good honest faith say this ?

Why push a people so hard to the point just telling yourself they can do nothing ? Really ? A nation can never be built by brute force but by inter Corporations and unity. Let me tell you my fellow NIGERIANS , IPOB didn't have up to 10% of the Igbo people support forget those iliterate touts and their social media propaganda. But to deny my people our right this time around for whatever reason is telling the remaining 90% of us who rejected ipob that maybe just maybe those touts have a point.

Yes power isn't given ,yes I agree but as ever other region had it zoned to them and a consensus picked so should it be done for the Southeast. To deny us our right is to do what Chinese is doing to Taiwan, to do what Israel doing to Palestine, to do what ImUAE is doing to shites..

Forget whatever we tell ourselves, each and every one of you my fellow country men and women know it's the turn of my people. I would have taught the great Asiwaju a defender of justice would have picked an Igbo man as his chosen candidate, that would have sent the message that he recodnizes that's it's rightfully our turn and that he stands for justice.

Anyways it's his right to run for office but like I said, to deny us is going to send a very strong message to every single Igbo man, woman ,boy and girl child that we are not recodnized and wanted in this country and I am afraid that would have a very dire repercussions in inter ethnic relations . I don't think buhari is in support of it not being an Igbo person infact I am shocked to admit from his a tions one can deduce he feels rightly it should be an Igbo person..

Alas time will tell

You made good points. But presidency, especially in the present day Nigeria is not handed to anybody on platter. Up till now, we have not seen any serious minded person showing interest from the SE.

On a normal day, this is the right time for whoever is serious from SE region to start pushing and be making himself heard so the noise of zoning to SE can get louder but alas! the reverse is the case, the potential good candidates are all quiet.

Mind you, for south east presidency to succeed it needs serious consultation e.g with a certain Jagaban from the SW and the power brokers from the north. Cajole them, rub their ego and play on their sentiment BUT not threatening them.

animationagency:
Neither tanbuwal or saraki can win too. Even atiku can just try,If BAT win presidential slot, it will be so difficult for him cos ss/se will feel betrayed and won't commit to it. Why can't they be unselfish and support any candidate from the South with all their might?
And they think that without the support of ss/se, they can also win?. If ss/se leaders become lackadaisical in promoting any northern presidential candidate, that will be the end of their potential taking over. They will just repeat what sw did to buhari in 2011;vote pdp for state positions, vote apc for presidential positions. Its all about regional interest now. Nigeria is already divided within region lines. Time will tell.

Even though it comes down to just the SW and the north, you should know how the results will swing . Also, forget ss/se, they'll rather not vote than vote APC. PDP go still win for there. If PDP wants to have a chance, they must present a northerner. If they present someone from SE, that's automatic loss. Even someone from SS will only get votes from SS and SE. The north and SW will vote for APC. PDP should be wise. The south is divided already. The north is united. Take advantage of that and present a northerner. The North's vote will be enough

Maxymilliano:
PDP best shot at the Presidency is through Abubakar Atiku

Thats why Tinubu urchins are afraid of an Atiku's ticket. If Atiku is wise, he should pick someone from Delta as his Vice. Straight victory

Titogbanski:
South East can win if both parties can pick their Presidential candidates from the South East...just as it was done in the 1999 elections were both parties picked their candidates from the West as a way of addressing the ill-feelings brought about by the annulment of the June 12 elections

No one is going to do this bro. The East are not ready on either PDP or APC

Olatunji1929:
south south/south east can not win presidency for pdp unless apc also pick their presidential candidate from South thats the fact

South-South or South-East can.

Presidency must come to the South, be it Ijaw, Ibiobio, Itshekiri, Igbos, Ikwerre, Yoruba, Benin or whomsoever, it must come to the South. Anybody that says otherwise will die before the next election. Ogun, Sango, Oya and Obatala will kill anybody that opposes zoning the Presidency to the South.

SO, let PDP zone it to the South first. APC too will zone it to the South. We in the South will knw how to sort ourselves.

Oh South south una don hearing am? We Igbos have already accept our fate that's why we agitating for our own. South south when the game serious una go know say Yoruba and Hausa no get plan for una

joelbooks:
But Jonathan won in 2011

Nigeria didn't have an opposition party in 2011. The day a serious opposition was created, Jonathan was defeated. If the PDP wants to take over power, they must make a northerner a flagbearer. That's the bitter truth.

anytexy:
Bitter truth. South East can not win except the two major political party APC and PDP zone to South East. I am from south East. Sentiment aside. PDP need power now not time to experiment with south East.

A sensible south easterner you are. People don't understand this. Now is not time to experiment. That's what APC wants. They know Atiku lost in 2019 because he contested against a god in the north. If he is to go against a southerner, APC knows he has a higher chance of winning. PDP should be wise and not fall to APC's tricks

mcmbonu:
No region can win election without the support of others

I'm from the south south. The very truth of the matter is that if PDP wants to win the next presidential election, it is logical it picks a very strong candidate from the north. That is the bitter truth

I totally agree with you.

mcmbonu:
No region can win election without the support of others

I'm from the south south. The very truth of the matter is that if PDP wants to win the next presidential election, it is logical it picks a very strong candidate from the north. That is the bitter truth

so other regions don't have better candidate?

No region can win election without the support of other region absolute fact

Nchenches:
But Tambuwal and other northern presidential aspirants want to exploit the skewed and lopsided political structure of Nigeria created by northern Nigeria through its military dictators to now upset zoning and make a northerner to succeed President Buhari.
They are not working for unity of Nigeria.
Zoning of the presidency between the north and the south has been there since 1999, and is necessitated by the skewed political structure favoring only Fulani-led northern politicians.

There's nothing like zoning in our constitution. Na parties create this zoning talk. PDP's last president was from the south. According to zoning inside the party, a northerner deserves it now. But still the north wants everyone to try his luck and see. Tbh, they're being fair

Dinieoj:
I'm also from South south, you're very correct,if they wanna win go for the north ticket.

Truth is, apart from the governors, the citizens in SS would rather the party goes for a northerner. They are not sentimental. They know how politics works

President Tambuwal!!!

seunmsg:
Absolute nonsense. Jonathan won the election in 2011 so what’s he saying?

Is Tambuwal saying the north cannot vote for a southern PDP candidate despite having the presidency for 8 years? Why then should the south vote for a northern PDP candidate when they can’t do the same to us?

The greed of Northern PDP leaders is unbelievable. They must think southerners are stupid. They simply want to cheat the south of what truly belongs to the them and it’s left for southern PDP leaders to respond. Since APC is presenting a southern candidate, I see no reason why PDP should not do the same. In a battle of two southern candidates, I don’t see any reason why PDP should be scared.

Trying to be clever by half.
So why didn't the APC in opposition present a presidential candidate of 'southern' extraction at the 2015 polls.
Why did they adopt a strategy of necessity in fielding PMB who clearly was the only candidate to remove GEJ.
Every party does what it can to win as the overriding strategy while bitterly swallowing its principles.
This is the tragedy of the structure which underpins this country.

Beedude:
You just said no region can win election without support of others.
You also said SS can not win an election.
What is difficult in the North supporting a SS candidate?
You are really contradicting yourself guy

If that southerner is from APC, they might support him. But from PDP, lai lai. Like others have said, now is not time for experiment. When power returns to PDP, we'd discuss rotation as we always did