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MindHacker9009:
You will need to ask yourself the meaning of research by the world's renowned Bible scholars and what purpose is a research for.
The youtube video documentary is the findings from a critical research by the world's renowned Bible scholars going outside the restrictions of mainstream religious institutions using official Roman historical documents and is not based on belief.

After watching such a video based on their findings it is very evident that Jesus was a character created by the Romans can anyone here come up with a better research with official historical records dating back around 2000 years ago other than the New Testament all their knowledge of Jesus is base on and some other religious groups they have read about.

What other materials or sources did you analyze to get to the conclusion that the documentary is totally accurate. You called them world renowned Bible scholars, but other world renowned Bible scholars disagree with them. So, who cares about world renown? It should be about the accuracy of their claims.

LordReed:
You are the funny one. You made a claim and are asking me to provide evidence for your claim. LoLz.

i don't ask you for evidence, evidence of what? i am literally cocksure.

Image123:
i don't ask you for evidence, evidence of what? i am literally cocksure.

Then cocksurely quote the place I made such a statement.

LordReed:
Then cocksurely quote the place I made such a statement.

Duh, i refer to my faith not to your post or statement(s). i already linked you to your statements, i don't look for the kind of evidence(s) that you look for as i got better.

Image123:
Duh, i refer to my faith not to your post or statement(s). i already linked you to your statements, i don't look for the kind of evidence(s) that you look for as i got better.

You said I made a certain statement, I ask you to quote the place I made the statement but instead you've gone on this rigmarole.

LordReed:
You said I made a certain statement, I ask you to quote the place I made the statement but instead you've gone on this rigmarole.

i pointed you to it immediately, didn't know it was still giving you sleepless nights.

KnownUnknown:
What other materials or sources did you analyze to get to the conclusion that the documentary is totally accurate. You called them world renowned Bible scholars, but other world renowned Bible scholars disagree with them. So, who cares about world renown? It should be about the accuracy of their claims.

Then post the research findings here of the other world renowned Bible scholars who disagree with them.

Image123:
i pointed you to it immediately, didn't know it was still giving you sleepless nights.

Go easy on the exaggerations, you are crossing the line into lying. LoLz. Dude you did not quote any place where I made such a statement.

Your views and the books you are referring to are not based on official documentary evidence from the Romans going back 2000 years and before. Most of the system in the world today inclucing the EU is still based on the Roman Empire so their official historical records are very valid.

The Romans were the ones that carried out all the crucifixions at that time and they have official records of what they did.

Do you know that during the occupation of Israel by the Romans that many fanatical Jews were crucified because they will not succumb to Roman rule of their Holy land.

I know it's hard for you to accept it but the truth is that the Jesus Christ we know today was a politician tool created by the Romans to control the minds of the people.

Just imagine being able to take the religious books today that breed religious fanatics and create a peaceful New Testament of these Religious books to control the minds of the fanatics to become gentle. This was exactly what the Roman did at that time by creating a gentle character called Jesus Christ.

If you have watched the video I posted before then send screenshots with the timestamp of the areas you disagree with.

The Bible we have today came from Rome and not from Israel where the original Old Testament scrolls were taken from to Rome, so knowing if THE WORD OF GOD is true and false from it depends on how we view it.

Here is another video of what is under the Vatican in Rome and this is the place where all the scriptures we have today and the original stories of Jesus Christ were written.

You have a lot to learn if all you rely on are just books not based on official historical records and you don't watch youtube videos based on official documentary evidence.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGmW71sWetI

peggywebbs:
How do you know we believed the same thing before. I don't hold the same view as many people, I believe in Jesus, of course but I also know that scripture has been manipulated over time. I also, know that no matter how much they try to change the story, one thing never changes " the word of God".

You should know one thing, that Jesus Christ is first the "word of God". Any other description after that is not really relevant. Whether he comes from China, Japan, or even Nigeria. Does the "word of God" represent the tenets of God? If it is inconsistent with the Divine God, it is false. We understand that the Romans exploited the message of the apostles because they saw the attention it was drawing.

People crave power, people want fame. However, even in every lie, there is an element of truth, even if minute. The existence of Jesus,or Yeshua according to some jews, is indisputable. However, I must tell you that as man can be his story has been told in many ways. However, his character is easily identifiable and that is how you can identify the true "word of God".

Did you know that there were many doctrines that sprang up after the crucifixion? If you study the book of John, you will understand why he said test the spirits. During the time of the apostles, some people believed that Jesus was crucified. Some did not believe that he was ( they believed God saved him), and it was made to look like he died on the cross. There were even some who argued that the rapture had happened which caused a disagreement in the early church ( 2 Corinthians).

Now, you should know that many stories were flying around during that period about Jesus. He was very popular. There are even some books that mention Jesus was married and had kids. Some mention he had an affair with Mary Magdalene, some even mention a relationship with Judas. Some books say that Judas recognized Jesus as the aeon of barbelo..some kind of deity from outer space.

So trust me when I tell you, there are many proofs of Jesus you will read and this biblical scholars of the Roman created Jesus is not the only one. Let's not even go to the black Americans who are of the opinion that Jesus was a black man and there is no white Jesus, it becomes a battle of the races. By the way, there was a time when blacks ruled Rome, you may want to go ahead to study that history before they were chased off. In conclusion, you still have a lot to go learn. When you're done reading all the versions of Jesus, I will be happy to know when you find or if you find the real one.

LordReed:
Go easy on the exaggerations, you are crossing the line into lying. LoLz. Dude you did not quote any place where I made such a statement.

If you don't agree with this simply state one or two prophecies that were fulfilled and save us the rigmarole. You lie to yourself every time so it's not strange for you to think or say that others are lying. Help yourself.

Image123:
If you don't agree with this simply state one or two prophecies that were fulfilled and save us the rigmarole. You lie to yourself every time so it's not strange for you to think or say that others are lying. Help yourself.

You cannot produce where I said what you said I did. Makes you a false accuser doesn't it? LoLz.

MindHacker9009:
Most of the system in the world today inclucing the EU is still based on the Roman Empire

I strongly disagree with this statement. The idea of a Republic or of democracy did not originate with the Romans but with the Greeks. Even at the time of the occupation of the Levant by the Romans, Greek was the more widely spoken and written language than Latin which is why the NT was written mostly in Greek.

Dtruthspeaker:
You are still relying on a document (Book) which as I have said, Lies, or is capable of Lying rather than Truth, found in what we lawyers call Extraneous Evidence!

And I have already presented the evidence to wit- "Egypt, Ethiopia, Rome and 1947 Israeli Resettlement, prove the Truth of it, most especially Egypt!

Egypt?

Workch:
Egypt?

Yep! Mostly Egypt! There is something that they should have since done which would made the Bible like just another novel, which they never did and Failed to do.

And now none of them can never do it because Estoppel, Laches and Acquiescence Catches them Shut!

LordReed:
You cannot produce where I said what you said I did. Makes you a false accuser doesn't it? LoLz.

Do you care? Is there sin? If you don't agree with this simply state one or two prophecies that were fulfilled and save us the rigmarole.

Image123:
Do you care? Is there sin? If you don't agree with this simply state one or two prophecies that were fulfilled and save us the rigmarole.

I care because you accused me of saying something I never said. Now that you can't produce the evidence of it you want to pivot to something else, the one clearly rigmaroling here is you.

Tell me what a prophecy is and how we can have evidence of it and I will tell you one or two that were fulfilled if there are any.

LordReed:
I care because you accused me of saying something I never said. Now that you can't produce the evidence of it you want to pivot to something else, the one clearly rigmaroling here is you.

Tell me what a prophecy is and how we can have evidence of it and I will tell you one or two that were fulfilled if there are any.

It is very easy to prove yourself instead of this usual and predictable rigmarole. Simply state one or two prophecies that were fulfilled.
i produced your evidence already here and told you to track/trace the conversation even in case you forgot. Do you know ANY of Jesus words that has ever come to pass? You vehemently refused to admit till date. Ask your wife to spoonfeed you, i am not your baby sitter.

Image123:
It is very easy to prove yourself instead of this usual and predictable rigmarole. Simply state one or two prophecies that were fulfilled.
i produced your evidence already here and told you to track/trace the conversation even in case you forgot. Do you know ANY of Jesus words that has ever come to pass? You vehemently refused to admit till date. Ask your wife to spoonfeed you, i am not your baby sitter.

LMAO! You accused me of something you can't bring evidence for nor can you articulate the very concept you are vibrating about, you are the one in sore need of a baby sitter. Gan gan you need primary school refresher course. Bwahahahahaha!

LordReed:
LMAO! You accused me of something you can't bring evidence for nor can you articulate the very concept you are vibrating about, you are the one in sore need of a baby sitter. Gan gan you need primary school refresher course. Bwahahahahaha!

Keep rigmarolling then. God sparing our lives, I am here on NL to read your wriggles. i am not the one in need of answers.

Image123:
Keep rigmarolling then. God sparing our lives, I am here on NL to read your wriggles. i am not the one in need of answers.

LMFAO! Says the guy asking questions and demanding answers. For sure we'll both be here reading how you don't answer questions but keep demanding answers. Bwahahahahaha!

LordReed:
I strongly disagree with this statement. The idea of a Republic or of democracy did not originate with the Romans but with the Greeks. Even at the time of the occupation of the Levant by the Romans, Greek was the more widely spoken and written language than Latin which is why the NT was written mostly in Greek.

And it does go further back to the Medo Persia empire which occupied Macedonian. The Medo Persia empire were the ones that conquered Babylon, they introduced a universal currency and taxation.
The king of Macedonian united Greece in 359 BC later his son Alexander The Great conquered the Medo Persian empire occupying Israel. Israel was now occupied by the Greek empire hence the Greek translation of the scriptures as the Greeks used the power of their intellect through education to control all their empire.
Then in 168 BC the Romans conquered the Greek empire and incorporated the Greek empire into the Roman empire and the Roman system is what most of the world's system today including the EU is still based on.

MindHacker9009:
And it does go further back to the Medo Persia empire that conquered Babylon, they introduced a universal currency and taxation.
The king of Macedonian united Greece in 359 BC later his son Alexander The Great conquered the Medo Persian empire occupying Israel. Israel was now occupied by the Greek empire hence the Greek translation of the scriptures as the Greeks used the power of their intellect through education to control all their empire.
Then in 168 BC the Romans conquered the Greek empire and incorporated the Greek empire into the Roman empire and the Roman system is what most of the world's system today including the EU is still based on.

You need to read more and speak less. Also, stop relying solely on YouTube.

E.g. there was no “Greek Empire” per say. Alexander’s generals carved up the conquered territories resulting in empires such as the Ptolemaic and the Seleucid.
It was the Ptolemaics of Egypt who had the Jewish works and other cultural works translated into Greek. Also, the story of the incarnation of the sun goes further back in time to Mesopotamia and Ancient Egypt and probably India. So, the Greek versions of both the stories of the Old Testament and the works that became the gospels were in existence before the Romans got there. If the Romans did anything, it would be editing the gospels to support the divinity of Vespasian/Titus not wholly inventing Jesus and the gospels.

Also, the “Roman system” is so broad a definition that you have to be specific. For example the Roman theological system is the basis for Christianity and even Islam. Christianity gained ground as the state religion of the Romans after all, and Islam evolved out of the Arian controversy of “triune god or unitary god”.

So, what part of the “Roman system” is the EU based on?

KnownUnknown:
You need to read more and speak less. Also, stop relying solely on YouTube.

E.g. there was no “Greek Empire” per say. Alexander’s generals carved up the conquered territories resulting in empires such as the Ptolemaic and the Seleucid.
It was the Ptolemaics of Alexandria who had the Jewish works and other cultural works translated into Greek. Also, the story of the incarnation of the sun goes further back in time to Mesopotamia and Ancient Egypt and probably India. So, both the stories of the Old Testament and the works that became the gospels were in existence before the Romans got there. If the Romans did anything, it would be editing the gospels to support the divinity of Vespasian/Titus not wholly inventing Jesus and the gospels.

Where is your official source that there was no Greek Empire?

Here is my source that a Greek empire did exist: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Empire

Also show your official source that the Romans did not create the character of Jesus Christ we know today?

MindHacker9009:
Where is your official source that there was no Greek Empire?

Here is my source that a Greek empire did exist: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Empire

“Official source”. Then he posts Wikipedia. Wikipedia is a repository of information not the source.
Regardless, the information on your “official source” supports what I said.

In the Hellenistic period, Greek Empire can refer to any individual or all successor states of the Diadochi:

Ptolemaic dynasty
Seleucid dynasty
Antigonid dynasty
Greco-Bactrian Kingdom
Indo-Greek Kingdom

If you knew how to reason or perform research, you would point out which “greek empire” did the things you claim.

MindHacker9009:
Also show your official source that the Romans did not create the character of Jesus Christ we have today?

Right after you show me the official source that the Jews did not create the god you believe in.

KnownUnknown:
“Official source”. Then he posts Wikipedia. Wikipedia is a repository of information not the source.
Regardless, the information on your “official source” supports what I said.

In the Hellenistic period, Greek Empire can refer to any individual or all successor states of the Diadochi:

Ptolemaic dynasty
Seleucid dynasty
Antigonid dynasty
Greco-Bactrian Kingdom
Indo-Greek Kingdom

[s]If you knew how to reason or perform research[/s], you would point out which “greek empire” did the things you claim.

Right after you show me the official source that the Jews did not create the god you believe in.

If you can reason you'll notice that I did not call Wikipedia my official source but I did use it as a quick source of reference.

Show your official source that there was no Greek Empire? Instead you result to insults to show how low your IQ is.

If you know what research is then you'll know you need to back up your claim with reference to the source of your information.

MindHacker9009:
If you can reason you'll notice that I did not call Wikipedia my official source but I did use it as a quick source of reference.

Show your official source that there was no Greek Empire? Instead you result to insults to show how low your IQ is.

If you know what research is then you'll know you need to back up your claim with reference to the source of your information.

No matter how low my IQ is, it is still stratospheric compared to yours.
Anyway, I think you should be the one showing us the Greek empire that occupied Israel and produced the Septuagint. I repeat there was no Greek Empire per say, so which specific empire are you referring to?

You can’t just conflate the acts of the Ptolemies and the Seleucids under “Greek Empire”.

LordReed:
No garden of Eden, no Noah's ark, no sign of people that lived up to 900years, no sign of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, no ark of the covenant or the original tablets on which the so called 10 commandments were written on, no sign that the king Solomon was actually as prosperous as described and so on. You have to wonder at the dearth of all these.

Ancient ethnographers got a story from the Egyptian priesthood that the "exodus" did happen. Of course, not like the magical story that the hebrew priesthood concucted, but a totally believable tale of the journey of exiles from Egypt. Tacitus tells us that Moses followed a herd of wild asses who led him and his tired people to water in the desert, while Diodorus states that in the Jerusalem Temple, Antiochus Epiphanes (Hey MindHacker9009, this guy is from the Seleucid empire) found an image carved into stone, of a bearded man—Moses—seated on an ass. There was no image of god in the temple because according to them, Moses did not believe in any god except the personification of the heavens, which is what all theology is based on by the way. e.g. Jesus was "born" on December 25 because the winter solstice is the natal day of the sun god. And there is a child bearing virgin

If you combine the above with the fact that all priesthoods are based on lies and deception, you could conclude that Moses was a real priest from Egypt at the head of the exiled people who instituted the priesthood (as seen in Leviticus) and created the system of lies that Judaism, and eventually, that Christianity is based on. Also, note that the priesthood of those days would have been versed in both the sacred and the profane. Part of the profane being the prevention of diseases. According to the ethnographers, disease was one of the reasons the jews were expelled from Egypt, and that explains all the disease prevention "laws" in the Old Testament.

KnownUnknown:
No matter how low my IQ is, [s]it is still stratospheric compared to yours.[/s]
Anyway, I think you should be the one showing us the Greek empire that occupied Israel and produced the Septuagint. I repeat there was no Greek Empire per say, so which specific empire are you referring to?

You can’t just conflate the acts of the Ptolemies and the Seleucids under “Greek Empire”.

Since you have a low IQ, I will educate you.

The map of the Greek Empire shows that Israel was part of the Greek Empire in 323 BC meaning Greek was the common language in the regions they occupied.

The Encyclopædia Britannica is a reliable source of reference on the Septuagint.
Septuagint, abbreviation LXX, the earliest extant Greek translation of the Old Testament from the original Hebrew. The Septuagint was presumably made for the Jewish community in Egypt when Greek was the common language throughout the region. Analysis of the language has established that the Torah, or Pentateuch (the first five books of the Old Testament), was translated near the middle of the 3rd century bce and that the rest of the Old Testament was translated in the 2nd century bce.

The name Septuagint (from the Latin septuaginta, “70”) was derived later from the legend that there were 72 translators, 6 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel, who worked independently to translate the whole and ultimately produced identical versions. Another legend holds that the translators were sent to Alexandria by Eleazar, the chief priest at Jerusalem, at the request of Ptolemy II Philadelphus (285–246 bce), though its source, the Letter of Aristeas, is unreliable. Despite the tradition that it was perfectly translated, there are large differences in style and usage between the Septuagint’s translation of the Torah and its translations of the later books in the Old Testament. In the 3rd century ce Origen attempted to clear up copyists’ errors that had crept into the text of the Septuagint, which by then varied widely from copy to copy, and a number of other scholars consulted the Hebrew texts in order to make the Septuagint more accurate.
Source: https://www.britannica.com/topic/Septuagint

MindHacker9009:
Since you have a low IQ, I will educate you.

The map of the Greek Empire shows that Israel was part of the Greek Empire in 323 BC meaning Greek was the common language in the regions they occupied.

The Encyclopædia Britannica is a reliable source of reference on the Septuagint.
Septuagint, abbreviation LXX, the earliest extant Greek translation of the Old Testament from the original Hebrew. The Septuagint was presumably made for the Jewish community in Egypt when Greek was the common language throughout the region. Analysis of the language has established that the Torah, or Pentateuch (the first five books of the Old Testament), was translated near the middle of the 3rd century bce and that the rest of the Old Testament was translated in the 2nd century bce.

The name Septuagint (from the Latin septuaginta, “70”) was derived later from the legend that there were 72 translators, 6 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel, who worked independently to translate the whole and ultimately produced identical versions. Another legend holds that the translators were sent to Alexandria by Eleazar, the chief priest at Jerusalem, at the request of Ptolemy II Philadelphus (285–246 bce), though its source, the Letter of Aristeas, is unreliable. Despite the tradition that it was perfectly translated, there are large differences in style and usage between the Septuagint’s translation of the Torah and its translations of the later books in the Old Testament. In the 3rd century ce Origen attempted to clear up copyists’ errors that had crept into the text of the Septuagint, which by then varied widely from copy to copy, and a number of other scholars consulted the Hebrew texts in order to make the Septuagint more accurate.
Source: https://www.britannica.com/topic/Septuagint

Look at you learning!!! I’m so proud of you. Now compare the above with the following. However, you still aren’t specific about the Greek empire you’re talking about.

MindHacker9009:
And it does go further back to the Medo Persia empire which occupied Macedonian. The Medo Persia empire were the ones that conquered Babylon, they introduced a universal currency and taxation.
The king of Macedonian united Greece in 359 BC later his son Alexander The Great conquered the Medo Persian empire occupying Israel. Israel was now occupied by the Greek empire hence the Greek translation of the scriptures as the Greeks used the power of their intellect through education to control all their empire.
Then in 168 BC the Romans conquered the Greek empire and incorporated the Greek empire into the Roman empire and the Roman system is what most of the world's system today including the EU is still based on.

KnownUnknown:
Ancient ethnographers got a story from the Egyptian priesthood that the "exodus" did happen. Of course, not like the magical story that the hebrew priesthood concucted, but a totally believable tale of the journey of exiles from Egypt. Tacitus tells us that Moses followed a herd of wild asses who led him and his tired people to water in the desert, while Diodorus states that in the Jerusalem Temple, Antiochus Epiphanes (Hey MindHacker9009, this guy is from the Seleucid empire) found an image carved into stone, of a bearded man—Moses—seated on an ass. There was no image of god in the temple because according to them, Moses did not believe in any god except the personification of the heavens, which is what all theology is based on by the way. e.g. Jesus was "born" on December 25 because the winter solstice is the natal day of the sun god. And there is a child bearing virgin

If you combine the above with the fact that all priesthoods are based on lies and deception, you could conclude that Moses was a real priest from Egypt at the head of the exiled people who instituted the priesthood (as seen in Leviticus) and created the system of lies that Judaism, and eventually, that Christianity is based on. Also, note that the priesthood of those days would have been versed in both the sacred and the profane. Part of the profane being the prevention of diseases. According to the ethnographers, disease was one of the reasons the jews were expelled from Egypt, and that explains all the disease prevention "laws" in the Old Testament.

The thing is these are not even remotely contemporary accounts but are recounting by people centuries after the supposed events happened. Without any doubt these are stories that were told and retold so many times that one has to wonder if they actually bear any resemblance to reality given that details would have been undoubtedly altered as the years go by.

Rather we find that the evidence available suggests that the Hebrew people are offshoots of indigenous Canaanite tribes that gained ascendancy within their region. If the was any migration into that region it was not of the Hebrews into that place. It might be that the Hebrews took a ancient cultural tale and adapted it to their their own emergent folklore. You can see it even here in Nigeria where various clans have their own spin on their cultural mythos.

KnownUnknown:
[s]Look at you learning!!! I’m so proud of you.[/s] Now compare the above with the following. However, you still aren’t specific about the Greek empire you’re talking about.

I have provided a map to show the Greek empire and a reliable reference on the translation of the scriptures to Greek.

Now you are jumping from pillar to post due to your low IQ as you cannot show a reliable reference as to your claim that there was no Greek empire.