Copy Fulani dress?LMAO When did the Fulani group even migrate to the Nigeria region to start with?

ariesbull:
Yoruba wey no even get name *wey Hausa give name Yaribba, while dey copy fulani dress

Lol. What do your Hausa friends say “Yarriba” means?

I hope they’ll choose to help you murder your chronic ignorance by helping you realize that “Yarriba” doesn’t exist in the Hausa language.

Refer to the screenshot below to see what “Yarriba” is:

A Hausa mispronunciation of the name “Yoruba”, just as “Y!bo” is a known Yoruba [mis]pronunciation of the name “Igbo”.

Cheers.

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Reference: R. Burton, “Abeokuta and the Camaroons Mountains: An Exploration,” Vol 1 (1863), p. 222.

Cc: aribisala0

aribisala0:


Yes Eboes copied many Yoruba words

Cock Akuko
Mouth Enu
Nose Imu
Ear eti
Slap Igbati
Ground Ile
Place Ibi
House Ule/Ile

Stone Okuta
Bag Akpo
Box Igba
Goat Ewure


Copy Copy people stop using Yoruba words

Legendary ode on the beat ,again!! Lol

TAO11:
Copy Fulani dress?LMAO When did the Fulani group even migrate to the Nigeria region to start with?



Lol. What do your Hausa friends say “Yarriba” means?

I hope they’ll choose to help you murder your chronic ignorance thus helping you realize that “Yarriba” does not exist in the Hausa language.

Refer to the screenshot below to see what “Yarriba” is:

A Hausa mispronunciation of the name “Yoruba”, just as “Y!bo” is a known Yoruba [mis]pronunciation of the name “Igbo”.

Cheers.

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Reference: R. Burton, “Abeokuta and the Camaroons Mountains: An Exploration,” Vol 1 (1863), p. 222.

Cc: aribisala0

Blablabla...... This anango man always making noise... Your name was changed and called yarruba by Hausa and you as ibudient servant took it even your elders said it


Argue with them not me

This is the meaning of the name Yoruba....

First of all, the name ‘Yoruba’ appears in a writing from the late-1500s/early-1600s. Kill your ignorance. ✌

ariesbull:
[s]Blablabla...... This anango man always making noise... Your name was changed and called yarruba by Hausa and you as ibudient servant took it even your elders said it.

Argue with them not me[/s]

ariesbull:
[s]This is the meaning of the name Yoruba.... [/s]

A certain ignoramus is ignorant enough to ignorantly assert that “Yarriba” is a Hausa word.

And you were retarded enough to set aside evidence and jump on the ignorant assertion of ignoramus(es).

It is not my fault that you swallow every dog-shit from every internet ignoramus.

The word “Yarriba” simply does not exist in the Hausa language — let alone have any meaning.

Be bold enough to check a Hausa lexicon, ask a Hausa person, or refer to Google translate.

You will not die if you act your age and prioritize facts over fiction—patapata it’s your ignorance that will die.

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If you’re interested in growing up and upholding facts, then know it today that the word “Yarriba” is simply an olden Hausa [mis]pronunciation of the name “Yoruba”, just as the word “Y!bo” is a Yoruba [mis]pronunciation of the name “Igbo”.

“Yarriba” does not exist in the Hausa language, just as “Y!bo” does not exist in the Yoruba language. They are simply [mis]pronunciations.

The screenshot here [R. F. Burton, “Abeokuta and the Camaroons Mountains,” Vol. 1, (1863), p. 222.] among others from the early/mid-1800s makes this clear.

But I doubt that you’re willing to murder your bigotry and your ignorance.

Cheers.

Omanambala:


Legendary ode on the beat ,again!! Lol

Well you are not denying that you were gifted language and speech nor that those words are Yoruba words that you borrowed

aribisala0:
Well you are not denying that you were gifted language and speech nor that those words are Yoruba words that you borrowed

Indeed we deny copying “Yoruba words” because these words are just traces of the fact that Igbo and Yoruba come from similar categories in language. However it isn’t the same as being a DIALECT like Ogba is of Igbo. And there is no need of having a Yoruba and Igbo debate for no reason.

And we do not know the origin of the word Yoruba, it has different claims on its origin. Similar to Igbo having different claims. All we know is they are the words we have chosen to go by.

ChebeNdigboCalm:


Indeed we deny copying “Yoruba words” because these words are just traces of the fact that Igbo and Yoruba come from similar categories in language. However it isn’t the same as being a DIALECT like Ogba is of Igbo. And there is no need of having a Yoruba and Igbo debate for no reason.

And we do not know the origin of the word Yoruba, it has different claims on its origin. Similar to Igbo having different claims. All we know is they are the words we have chosen to go by.

Are you a linguist? Who told you Ogba is a dialect of Eboe . I suggest you research the works of Kay Williamson the foremost linguistic authority on Eboe language and stop talking ignorantly

aribisala0:
Are you a linguist? Who told you Ogba is a dialect of Eboe . I suggest you research the works of Kay Williamson the foremost linguistic authority on Eboe language and stop talking ignorantly

Why are you calling us Eboe? This is the modern era.

Anyway how about you explain what Kay Williamson concluded about Ogba language. I am waiting. Please explain if you see Ezza as Igbo why is Ogba different.

ChebeNdigboCalm:


Why are you calling us Eboe? This is the modern era.

Anyway how about you explain what Kay Williamson concluded about Ogba language. I am waiting. Please explain if you see Ezza as Igbo why is Ogba different.

Literacy may be a challenge for you.

The key word is "language" not "dialect" that is all we need to focus on

They are LANGUAGES within the same family . Mutual intelligibility is observed in several other language families e.g. Romance languages so called because of Latin root. This group includes Italian , Spanish, Portuguese etc.

So what does "Igboid" mean . It is a group of languages that likely share THE SAME ORIGIN

Just like Plantains and Bananas. Plantains cannot claim that bananas are a kind of plantain and vice versa. The fact that there are more plantains or bananas in the market proves nothing
Ibo language just happens to have the most speakers and dialects

Kay Williamson was very clear that the other Igboid languages are all languages and no one is a dialect of the other

I am not a linguist but Kay Williamson dedicated decades to this issue and I defer to her superior knowledge. She NOT me made the classification of Ezza.
It is what it is . Fortunately she published her findings decades ago and no one can accuse her of an agenda and to date no Eboe scholar of note has come out to dispute her conclusions

aribisala0:
Literacy may be a challenge for you.

The key word is "language" not "dialect" that is all we need to focus on

They are LANGUAGES within the same family . Mutual intelligibility is observed in several other language families e.g. Romance languages so called because of Latin root. This group includes Italian , Spanish, Portuguese etc.

So what does "Igboid" mean . It is a group of languages that likely share THE SAME ORIGIN

Just like Plantains and Bananas. Plantains cannot claim that bananas are a kind of plantain and vice versa. The fact that there are more plantains or bananas in the market proves nothing
Ibo language just happens to have the most speakers and dialects

Kay Williamson was very clear that the other Igboid languages are all languages and no one is a dialect of the other

I am not a linguist but Kay Williamson dedicated decades to this issue and I defer to her superior knowledge. She NOT me made the classification of Ezza.
It is what it is . Fortunately she published her findings decades ago and no one can accuse her of an agenda and to date no Eboe scholar of note has come out to dispute her conclusions

I have a few questions.

Are you quoting Kay Williamson directly or are you just saying your own conclusion of what she said?

You are claiming Ogba are not Igbo.
You are also saying Ogba and Igbo languages come from the same source and that’s why the language is similar but not the same.
But you are also saying Igbo copied Yoruba language whilst knowing they are in similar language catergories.
Why do you say I am the one who is challenged in literacy?

Now you have to give up one point. Either Ogba language is a dialect of Igbo or Igbo copied Yoruba words.

Me, I dont have to give up either as Ogba can be a dialect whilst Igbo didn’t copy Yoruba words.

ChebeNdigboCalm:


I have a few questions.

Are you quoting Kay Williamson directly or are you just saying your own conclusion of what she said?

You are claiming Ogba are not Igbo.
You are also saying Ogba and Igbo languages come from the same source and that’s why the language is similar but not the same.
But you are also saying Igbo copied Yoruba language whilst knowing they are in similar language catergories.
Why do you say I am the one who is challenged in literacy?

Now you have to give up one point. Either Ogba language is a dialect of Igbo or Igbo copied Yoruba words.

Me, I dont have to give up either as Ogba can be a dialect whilst Igbo didn’t copy Yoruba words.

You talk too much 100% of which is rubbish
Ogba language is not a dialect of Igbo . It is a different language

aribisala0:

You talk too much 100% of which is rubbish
Ogba language is not a dialect of Igbo . It is a different language

The root of this whole thing is that you claimed that Igbo copied Yoruba words. I know that this kind of critical thinking can be hard to follow. I’ll help you.

Your claim: Igbo copied Yoruba word.
Your claim: Ogba is similar to Igbo yet is a different language because it is part of the same language catergory.
Logically: Since Igbo and Yoruba are also part of the same language catergory, it should be obvious why words are similar.

aribisala0:
to date no Eboe scholar of note has come out to dispute her conclusions

Professor Nolue Emenanjo was a notable "EbOe" academic linguist from Delta State, and he disputed Williamson's conclusions. Among other things, Williamson's research was carried out in the period athwart the Civil War, and practically all of the people she interviewed during her fieldwork were "Igbo"-speaking people on the Nigerian side of the conflict. I don't think anyone needs to be reminded that there were real political reasons at the time for people on the periphery of "Igbosphere" to dissociate themselves from the "core."

Just pointing this out.

RedboneSmith:


Professor Nolue Emenanjo was a notable "EbOe" academic linguist from Delta State, and he disputed Williamson's conclusions. Among other things, Williamson's research was carried out in the period athwart the Civil War, and practically all of the people she interviewed during her fieldwork were "Igbo"-speaking people on the Nigerian side of the conflict. I don't think anyone needs to be reminded that there were real political reasons at the time for people on the periphery of "Igbosphere" to dissociate themselves from the "core."

Just pointing this out.

You are a liar , Her research was not carried out during the Civil War. Do you have evidence for this fictitious claim ?
It is better you keep quiet instead of just fabricating IPOB rubbish.
A woman who published probably the first Ibo dictionary and worked for decades on Ibo language and is peerless in the area and you are talking of interviews > Is that the methodology used to classify languages?

This person you mention is unknown and ireelevant

aribisala0:
You are a liar , Her research was not carried out during the Civil War. Do you have evidence for this fictitious claim ?
It is better you keep quiet instead of just fabricating IPOB rubbish.
A woman who published probably the first Ibo dictionary and worked for decades on Ibo language and is peerless in the area and you are talking of interviews > Is that the methodology used to classify languages?

This person you mention is unknown and ireelevant

The work was published after the war. With 2 years gap to edit even if the work research began beforehand.

ChebeNdigboCalm:

The work was published after the war. With 2 years gap to edit even if the work research began beforehand.

In short you have no evidence for your claim of "FIELD WORK" during the war?

aribisala0:
In short you have no evidence for your claim of "FIELD WORK" during the war?

I didn’t discuss field work. I simply found the book you lot were talking about and posted the information. That is disingenuous of you.

ChebeNdigboCalm:


I didn’t discuss field work. I simply found the book you lot were talking about and posted the information. That is disingenuous of you.

OK , I was not talking to you. The person I was talking to did and you just inserted your busybody self into the conversation. I assumed I was talking to the same person.
I never mentioned any book and I think you just learnt the word disingenuous and are looking for an opportunity to practice it no matter how incongruous.

I was talking to somebody else who mentioned FIELDWORK. That is what the remarks you quoted were addressing so if anyone is being disingenuous you are

aribisala0:
OK , I was not talking to you. The person I was talking to did and you just inserted your busybody self into the conversation. I assumed I was talking to the same person.
I never mentioned any book and I think you just learnt the word disingenuous and are looking for an opportunity to practice it no matter how incongruous.

I was talking to somebody else who mentioned FIELDWORK. That is what the remarks you quoted were addressing so if anyone is being disingenuous you are

In case you forgot I was the person you first mentioned Kay Williamson’s work to. So I was already in the conversation unless you forgot. Obviously I am involved.

aribisala0:
OK , I was not talking to you. The person I was talking to did and you just inserted your busybody self into the conversation. I assumed I was talking to the same person.
I never mentioned any book and I think you just learnt the word disingenuous and are looking for an opportunity to practice it no matter how incongruous.

I was talking to somebody else who mentioned FIELDWORK. That is what the remarks you quoted were addressing so if anyone is being disingenuous you are

Also I love how you simple forgot that YOU started the first ridiculous claim that Igbo copied Yoruba words, with no proof. Saying we have similar words isn’t proof of who copied the other or whether there was copying in the first place.

Then YOU came to tell me that I have no idea how literacy or linguistics works when I was arguing the very sensible argument that Ogba is a dialect. Kay Williamson’s conclusion isn’t law. After you made the disgusting mistake of claiming one language from the same catergory “copied” the other.

Then you get annoyed that you don’t have specific proof about field work when your “proof” of your claim was nothing.

Of course now you have ignored your whole claim about Yoruba and Igbo. If anyone is Yoruba and reading this, don’t play tribe vs tribe. It isn’t tribe vs tribe it is honesty vs dishonesty. Don’t support this person.

aribisala0:
You are a liar , Her research was not carried out during the Civil War. Do you have evidence for this fictitious claim ?
It is better you keep quiet instead of just fabricating IPOB rubbish.
A woman who published probably the first Ibo dictionary and worked for decades on Ibo language and is peerless in the area and you are talking of interviews > Is that the methodology used to classify languages?

This person you mention is unknown and ireelevant

Lol. Typical Omonnakoda.

First, I am not IPOB. But I know to some of you, anyone that says anything that is pro-Igbo in the slightest is IPOB. Me that have fought IPOB supporters so hard Igbo nationalists have decided to rip me of my Igboness


Second, Professor Emenanjo is not unknown in linguistic circles by any stretch. You don't know him because you don't follow linguistics. The only linguist you know is Williamson. And you only got interested in her and her work because they give you the opportunity to troll Igbos.

Third, I said Williamson's work was done "athwart" the Civil War. In English, that means the period close to the beginning and shortly after the Civil War, when anti-Igbo feelings were high. Her study on "Lower Niger languages" came out in 1973. "Lower Niger languages" by the way are what we today call "Igboid" languages. She initially won't even call them a collective name that had "Igbo" in it. Professor Manfredi was the one who introduced "Igboid" as a compromise in 1989, and it stuck.

Interesting enough, Williamson did most of her linguistic work in different Ijo dialects. She is more known as an authority in Ijo than in Igbo/Igboid. . She was well aware that all forms of Ijo were not mutually intelligible. Yet she called them Ijo and called them dialects. She didn't try to come up with a neutral term like "Niger Delta languages" the way she did with Igbo/Igboid.

By the way, she didn't publish the first Igbo dictionary. French missionaries did. And yes, she interviewed native speakers for her work on the Igbo, because as she herself admitted, she didn't speak the language. Again, her primary area of interest was Ijo.

Why are these people forcing everyone to be Igbo?

clockwisereport:


So, kini is now the problem?

Ogbogu people call yam iji. Igbos call yam ji
Ogbogu people call fowl nnunu. Igbos call fowl okuko. Igbos call birds nnunu

Ogbogu people call witches mgbashi. Nsukka people call witches mgbashi

Ogbogu people greet kando. They reply Okorobia and Eze nwaanyi depending on whether the person is male or female.

Okorobia and Ezenwaanyi are igbo words.

Ogba people bear Igbo names. Even their "oba" is not exempted.



Dont tell me any nonsense about origin. Nsukka people originated from Kogi state. Did that make them Igallas?
They are still Igbos.

Names may not necessarily make people a particular ethnic grouping as you have stated but monarchial tittle or more aptly the community history do have.

The fact that Ogba people bear Igbo names does not necessarily mean, they are Igbos because at every point in time in history, when a people migrate to a new place and get in contact with other ethnic group, the newer group can switch her language between the new host community for economic reason or the host community language's dominant factoring.

The Nsukka people have Igala ancestry, and this has nothing to do with political reason. These people are infact, acestrally a hybrid of Yoruba-Tapa before infusion with Ibo elements.

The Igalas in Nsukka celebrated five hundred years of migration to Nsukka, few years ago. So, Igalas in Nsukka are not Ibos even if their language have infused both Igala's (Yoruboid language) language and Igbo's.

It is pertinent to useOgu (Egun) also here with a lot of strong relationship with Yorubas.

The Egun are a people who were brought to Lagos's badagry from Benin Republic over three hundred years ago. The place had sparing settlement of Yorubas in around the area but Badagry had Egun people and Yoruba people arrived in the land around late 1720s who were Popo (Yorubas) refugees and Egun's from the wars with the Fon people of Dahomey. Infact Ọlọ́yọ́ (Alaafin) settled them in that land since the time of their arrival as refugees in SouthWest Yoruba land.

As at today, the Yoruba people among the Egu speaks Egu language and Yoruba's. In the same vein, Egu people speak both Yoruba language and Egu's.So also both bear Yoruba names and Egu names. However, each families do know how they are related to both Yoruba and Egu.

In a nutshell, Ogba people may not be Igbos even if they speak Igbo language because we cannot neglect people's history as laid down by their forebear. Obi as a name exist with ambiguous in Yoruba language as having one of the meaning as "parent."

Oba as a title of a king in Ogba land shows that there is a clear relationship between the Ogba people in River state with Bini or Yoruba monarchial title.

Olu317:
Names may not necessarily make people a particular ethnic grouping as you have stated but monarchial tittle or more aptly the community history do have.

The fact that Ogba people bear Igbo names does not necessarily mean, they are Igbos because at every point in time in history, when a people migrate to a new place and get in contact with other ethnic group, the newer group can switch her language between the new host community for economic reason or the host community language's dominant factoring.

The Nsukka people have Igala ancestry, and this has nothing to do with political reason. These people are infact, acestrally a hybrid of Yoruba-Tapa before infusion with Ibo elements.

The Igalas in Nsukka celebrated five hundred years of migration to Nsukka, few years ago. So, Igalas in Nsukka are not Ibos even if their language have infused both Igala's (Yoruboid language) language and Igbo's.

It is pertinent to useOgu (Egun) also here with a lot of strong relationship with Yorubas.

The Egun are a people who were brought to Lagos's badagry from Benin Republic over three hundred years ago. The place had sparing settlement of Yorubas in around the area but Badagry had Egun people and Yoruba people arrived in the land around late 1720s who were Popo (Yorubas) refugees and Egun's from the wars with the Fon people of Dahomey. Infact Ọlọ́yọ́ (Alaafin) settled them in that land since the time of their arrival as refugees in SouthWest Yoruba land.

As at today, the Yoruba people among the Egu speaks Egu language and Yoruba's. In the same vein, Egu people speak both Yoruba language and Egu's.So also both bear Yoruba names and Egu names. However, each families do know how they are related to both Yoruba and Egu.

In a nutshell, Ogba people may not be Igbos even if they speak Igbo language because we cannot neglect people's history as laid down by their forebear. Obi as a name exist with ambiguous in Yoruba language as having one of the meaning as "parent."

Oba as a title of a king in Ogba land shows that there is a clear relationship between the Ogba people in River state with Bini or Yoruba monarchial title.

Thank you.

What is Ogba language and what is Igbo language?
Why is the language spoken by Ogba people be called Igbo language and Igbo language is not called Ogba language?
A people's language is the language that they speak. Ogba people regardless of their history, have evolved into an ethnic group and speak Ogba language while Igbo people speak Igbo language. Why would one group claim that any word or name that is common among the two groups belong to them so, now gives them the right to force their identity on them. In the entire world, it is only the Igbo people that do this and they do this in the most idiot.tic and repulsive manner. Even in the north, you have such ethnic groups like Gwandara who's history as told even by themselves is tied to the Hausa but you never see Hausa's claiming that Gwandaras speak their language, bear their names or that they are even Hausa. They respect them as Gwandara. You don't see the French claiming that the Spanish or Portuguese speak French or are French because they bear similar names or have some common words in the languages. But for the Igbos, they must constitute themselves into nuisance in their desperation to force Igbo identity on others. tueh!

Allen102:
Why are these people forcing everyone to be Igbo?

That isn’t the case. We can’t force anyone to be Igbo. What we are doing is discussing from the academia point of view. Which is the whole point of having something like a forum.

I suggest you read through the whole thread carefully.

The point here is people have changed the ancestral name of their leader TO OBA from Eze Ogba. What I want to know is why can’t we put things like that to logical scrutiny? Because you do not like it?

Olu317:
Names may not necessarily make people a particular ethnic grouping as you have stated but monarchial tittle or more aptly the community history do have.

The fact that Ogba people bear Igbo names does not necessarily mean, they are Igbos because at every point in time in history, when a people migrate to a new place and get in contact with other ethnic group, the newer group can switch her language between the new host community for economic reason or the host community language's dominant factoring.

The Nsukka people have Igala ancestry, and this has nothing to do with political reason. These people are infact, acestrally a hybrid of Yoruba-Tapa before infusion with Ibo elements.

The Igalas in Nsukka celebrated five hundred years of migration to Nsukka, few years ago. So, Igalas in Nsukka are not Ibos even if their language have infused both Igala's (Yoruboid language) language and Igbo's.

It is pertinent to useOgu (Egun) also here with a lot of strong relationship with Yorubas.

The Egun are a people who were brought to Lagos's badagry from Benin Republic over three hundred years ago. The place had sparing settlement of Yorubas in around the area but Badagry had Egun people and Yoruba people arrived in the land around late 1720s who were Popo (Yorubas) refugees and Egun's from the wars with the Fon people of Dahomey. Infact Ọlọ́yọ́ (Alaafin) settled them in that land since the time of their arrival as refugees in SouthWest Yoruba land.

As at today, the Yoruba people among the Egu speaks Egu language and Yoruba's. In the same vein, Egu people speak both Yoruba language and Egu's.So also both bear Yoruba names and Egu names. However, each families do know how they are related to both Yoruba and Egu.

In a nutshell, Ogba people may not be Igbos even if they speak Igbo language because we cannot neglect people's history as laid down by their forebear. Obi as a name exist with ambiguous in Yoruba language as having one of the meaning as "parent."

Oba as a title of a king in Ogba land shows that there is a clear relationship between the Ogba people in River state with Bini or Yoruba monarchial title.

Firstly misconception about Igala. Igala was not only created with Yoruba influence. But also with Igbo influence and literally have themselves been founded by the sons of Eri. Next Nsukka people are still mostly Igbo, there is Igala in Nsukka but the vast majority is still Igbo, maybe a few communities are considered Igala and that’s fine but the evidence is concrete.

Ogba people’s leader has always been called Eze Ogba and only a few years ago was CHANGED to Oba by the current Eze Ogba. How is this proof of Benin origin. The fact is there is not proof of Benin origin. Even if one Bini ancestor dropped themselves off in Ogba. You cannot genuinely point to anything else. Apart from of course the Ikwerre Akalaka myth that claims his sons were Ogba, Iwhuruohna and Ekpeye. A myth created in the late 20th century and the title change occurring a few decades later.

You people can argue that Ogba should be called whatever they want. I am fine with that, as long as it is acknowledged that from an academia standpoint it is most likely untrue. Because that is the fact.

Tranquill:

Thank you.

What is Ogba language and what is Igbo language?
Why is the language spoken by Ogba people be called Igbo language and Igbo language is not called Ogba language?
A people's language is the language that they speak. Ogba people regardless of their history, have evolved into an ethnic group and speak Ogba language while Igbo people speak Igbo language. Why would one group claim that any word or name that is common among the two groups belong to them so, now gives them the right to force their identity on them. In the entire world, it is only the Igbo people that do this and they do this in the most idiot.tic and repulsive manner. Even in the north, you have such ethnic groups like Gwandara who's history as told even by themselves is tied to the Hausa but you never see Hausa's claiming that Gwandaras speak their language, bear their names or that they are even Hausa. They respect them as Gwandara. You don't see the French claiming that the Spanish or Portuguese speak French or are French because they bear similar names or have some common words in the languages. But for the Igbos, they must constitute themselves into nuisance in their desperation to force Igbo identity on others. tueh!

Other people make claims about Igbo and their ancestry. They discuss Nsukka, discuss Onitsha, discuss Arochukwu and discuss Enuani. They aren’t nuisances, they are “truth seekers”. Other people make claims about the “intentions” of Igbo and they are considered “exposers”. Igbo discuss what concerns them about their own people. They are “nuisances” and have “desperation to force Igbo identity on others”. But you a random non-Igbo person. Not Igbo, not Ogba and probably not at least bini is here to discuss this topic. And infact more like you are here to deflect from the facts at hand. I could argue that you are desperate to keep the balkanisation of Igbo identity. But no what we are doing is putting Ogba claims to scrutiny not make Ogba to start identifying as Igbo. If they decide to accept the evidence based view that is great but the evidence based view needs to be determined.

Now I know nothing about the Gwandara people so I cannot speak about them. The French, Spanish and Portuguese histories however is clearly written down. I think it is obvious why they are seperate countries.

ChebeNdigboCalm:


Firstly misconception about Igala. Igala was not only created with Yoruba influence. But also with Igbo influence and literally have themselves been founded by the sons of Eri. Next Nsukka people are still mostly Igbo, there is Igala in Nsukka but the vast majority is still Igbo, maybe a few communities are considered Igala and that’s fine but the evidence is concrete.

Ogba people’s leader has always been called Eze Ogba and only a few years ago was CHANGED to Oba by the current Eze Ogba. How is this proof of Benin origin. The fact is there is not proof of Benin origin. Even if one Bini ancestor dropped themselves off in Ogba. You cannot genuinely point to anything else. Apart from of course the Ikwerre Akalaka myth that claims his sons were Ogba, Iwhuruohna and Ekpeye. A myth created in the late 20th century and the title change occurring a few decades later.

You people can argue that Ogba should be called whatever they want. I am fine with that, as long as it is acknowledged that from an academia standpoint it is most likely untrue. Because that is the fact.

I have thrown light on Igala as it relates Yoruba-Tapa intermarriages that brought Igala as hybrid before the Ibo fusion.So, there is no need to overflog this issue.

Sincerely, there is no need to drag people's historicity with them. In as much as the Ogba sub group claim Bini linkage, then it is best, you people let them be.

This case is much like if Yoruba people claiming the whole Edo land, instead of Bini .This will result to falsification of history because people lived in that environment withtheirdistinct identities before Yoruba descendants emerged in Igodomigodo land as the new ruler through fusion of Yoruba prince-king, who later became Ooni at ileife.

Even if there are Ibo influence in Ogba kingdom,the fact remain Ogba people identified themselves with Bini land.

Tranquill:

Thank you.

What is Ogba language and what is Igbo language?
Why is the language spoken by Ogba people be called Igbo language and Igbo language is not called Ogba language?
A people's language is the language that they speak. Ogba people regardless of their history, have evolved into an ethnic group and speak Ogba language while Igbo people speak Igbo language. Why would one group claim that any word or name that is common among the two groups belong to them so, now gives them the right to force their identity on them. In the entire world, it is only the Igbo people that do this and they do this in the most idiot.tic and repulsive manner. Even in the north, you have such ethnic groups like Gwandara who's history as told even by themselves is tied to the Hausa but you never see Hausa's claiming that Gwandaras speak their language, bear their names or that they are even Hausa. They respect them as Gwandara. You don't see the French claiming that the Spanish or Portuguese speak French or are French because they bear similar names or have some common words in the languages. But for the Igbos, they must constitute themselves into nuisance in their desperation to force Igbo identity on others. tueh!

Are you saying , language is the absolute reason of same ethnic group ? Linguistically, there is Ecological factor of Language in migration of people. Kindly do research on it for you to have a grasp of reason, language alone does not mean, same ethnic grouping.

Today, Nigeria Franca Lingual is English language. Does it mean Nigeria with over 100 language and over 200 dialects are English people ? In as much certain people migrate from place to place, then there is certainty for influence to come up.

The Olukumi are Yoruba people who migrated to Delta state and still retain their Yoruba identity. But have been massively influenced by the Ibo speaking group in that environment.

Does it mean they are ibos ? Ofcourse not because their history stated this, so also their language, despite the fact that their language has some form switch from Yoruba language to Ibos at times to converse with dominant language in that environment.

It is pertinent to assert here that Olukumi or Olukwumi are a Yoruba group but being influenced by Ibo speaking people through intermarriages and economic factors. This is the point I am making.

Olu317:
I have thrown light on Igala as it relates Yoruba-Tapa intermarriages that brought Igala as hybrid before the Ibo fusion.So, there is no need to overflog this issue.

Sincerely, there is no need to drag people's historicity with them. In as much as the Ogba sub group claim Bini linkage, then it is best, you people let them be.

This case is much like if Yoruba people claiming the whole Edo land, instead of Bini .This will result to falsification of history because people lived in that environment withtheirdistinct identities before Yoruba descendants emerged in Igodomigodo land as the new ruler through fusion of Yoruba prince-king, who later became Ooni at ileife.

Even if there are Ibo influence in Ogba kingdom,the fact remain Ogba people identified themselves with Bini land.

You are missing the point. Read back to my previous comment and you will see I said the exact same thing. The problem is when people then come and tell us to rewrite history in order to allow their claim to be emboldened. No. It won’t happen. History is not an opinion. If you people don’t like that don’t come discuss history.

ChebeNdigboCalm:


You are missing the point. Read back to my previous comment and you will see I said the exact same thing. The problem is when people then come and tell us to rewrite history in order to allow their claim to be emboldened. No. It won’t happen. History is not an opinion. If you people don’t like that don’t come discuss history.

What exactly do you mean ? I stated clearly that once a people identify with another group, then there is iota of truth that their history is not of ibos ancestry.