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kingscare1:
After looking at the harsh and unfavourable situations which employers subject their employees, I realised that most times, employees have no choice than to do shady shady dealings to cater for themselves and families.

In most Nigeria businessesss till today, sales girls and boys, including office workers feeds from hands to mouth everyday to survive and can't even afford transport money to work.

Sometimes they borrow to make up their financial shortcomings and to present their best to their employers but still they end up used, abused and unappreciated by wicked employers.

They are everywhere around us. You can easily point out employees from an employer because the later looks fresh and rich while the former looks stressed and anxious and kinda poorer.

So let us start paying good salaries and treating our employers well so that they will work well and not thief your money or do shady business while working for you.

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Taking a job is optional, there are other well paying jobs, i used to talk like you when a friend had boys collecting 18k per month for a 2 weeks per month hotel job,i paid my staff double, dem still theif.

As long as you keep your staffs comfortable, there shouldn't be anything that would make them bad.
And if they turn bad,then it's from the Village.

I have worked with an online loan company,where they treat us as a piece of Shit.
Imagine before you take leave to fix a serious problem... you have to beg them not to Deactivate your Logins.

If you are sick, and you don't come to work for 2 days... that's Sack! ( Meanwhile they know you are sick)

Before you get paid, you wait till the 6th of a New month.

What about unnecessary deductions from salary..... Bullshit!

I dealth with the company for a period of 4months.

SmartyPants:
25k a month as a manager?

Are you and your wife wicked?

Have you asked the size of the business?
Was he forced to take the job?

LagBlogger:
Don't talk like that. Do you know how unprofitable poultry business is? Plus maybe they provided accommodation and free feeding.

Poultry farms are struggling to survive.

God bless i may also condemn you if not that i am into poultry also,from high cost of feeds to mortality rate of birds which already affect the income,one could wake up and all the investment is gone

GloriousGbola:
That is stealing. Go and create your own business then. You are using your dad's investment, assets and infrastructure.

If you think it is so easy go and pay rent, buy machines, get contacts, get employees, pay bills, settle authorities

I am outlining this because you are a thief even if you want to pretend you are a sharp hustler

Stealing This is resourcefulness. Any Dad will be proud if he finds out..

Honchoslim16:
As long as you keep your staffs comfortable, there shouldn't be anything that would make them bad.
And if they turn bad,then it's from the Village.

I have worked with an online loan company,where they treat us as a piece of Shit.
Imagine before you take leave to fix a serious problem... you have to beg them not to Deactivate your Logins.

If you are sick, and you don't come to work for 2 days... that's Sack! ( Meanwhile they know you are sick)

Before you get paid, you wait till the 6th of a New month.

What about unnecessary deductions from salary..... Bullshit!

I dealth with the company for a period of 4months.

so you re part of those who do send messages blackmailing us

Honchoslim16:
As long as you keep your staffs comfortable, there shouldn't be anything that would make them bad.
And if they turn bad,then it's from the Village.

I have worked with an online loan company,where they treat us as a piece of Shit.
Imagine before you take leave to fix a serious problem... you have to beg them not to Deactivate your Logins.

If you are sick, and you don't come to work for 2 days... that's Sack! ( Meanwhile they know you are sick)

Before you get paid, you wait till the 6th of a New month.

What about unnecessary deductions from salary..... Bullshit!

I dealth with the company for a period of 4months.

So whoever steals is the fault of the employer or village people? The person has no fault right?

Oga, whoever steals is a thief. If they pay is poor let them resign and find alternative means of survival rather than being a thief.

HUSTLER001:
The boy caught is stupid! I remember when i use to run my late dad beer palour.On weekends we make the most sales&that is when i apply wisdom.I remeber back then,when you sell three crates of beer,the profit on top of it is enough to buy one crate.So, i buy one crate with the profit and make my personal profit before replacing the crate of beer.So,i'm doing dads biz and also doing my biz and in the end no one is cheated. A mutual association is attained and the record book is balanced.

Nope, you were cheating him.

PHIPEX:
So whoever steals is the fault of the employer or village people? The person has no fault right?

Oga, whoever steals is a thief. If they pay is poor let them resign and find alternative means of survival rather than being a thief.

Life na chop me I chop you.
Let's just forget it

Make I just read and probably learn

adedehinbo:
so you re part of those who do send messages blackmailing us

Lol...I have never blackmailed any Customer.
Once I call you and you don't respond,I move to the next Customer.

Blackmailing you makes the whole thing complicating.

97% of those crazy messages are sent by Girls not even up 24years lol

somehow:
In 2014/2014, 2 staff crashed $3000 belonging to a client then, got to know very late because it was on a Friday and I was busy outside Lagos.

Discovered the next day but couldn't do anything about the losses until Monday.

Fired them thereafter.

Employed one few months later to replace the 2 but gave him just 10% portfolio of what was previously lost to see what he could do.

3 months later, we made nothing from his table, he kept the capital intact with no profit/loss but overhead cost and his weekly allowance wasted.

Had to let him go too.

Business in Nigeria is tough.

You should have kept the later trader, clearly he is poor in idea generation but a good risk manager. You should have employed someone who is a good idea generator while he handle the management of risk, Hegde funds love risk managers.

englishmart:
I won a contract sometime in 2018, hired a team of 25 well paid experts and a couple of maladroit workers who we prefer to call labours. During the project, one of my staff cornered a potential contract that I had been pursuing. A contract that was worth at least #24m. He accepted to execute the project for 13m, and was paid a mobilisation of 6.5m to commence.
To cut the story short, this very Yoruba snitch did a bad job, wasted materials and couldn't deliver 1/10th the project. He later begged me to help him finish up the project but the amount he bargained was far below par. Ebn the cost of workmanship alone was worth more. He was later arrested, detained and currently serving at Ikoyi prison. As a kind-hearted Man from the east, I've been working arduously to get him out on bail. The bail is 5.3m, and I'm confident he'll be out soon.
Though I still hobnob with Yoruba guys, but I ensure it's done with at least a 3.3km long spoon

If this is true I would strongly advise you to desist working with Yoruba people for your own good and that of your family.

They are know for betrayal and backstabbing it's in their nature so they can't help it.

This same person you are trying to bail would come out and still backstab you without thinking twice I promise you that.

He who has ears let him hear.

LagBlogger:
Don't talk like that. Do you know how unprofitable poultry business is? Plus maybe they provided accommodation and free feeding.

Poultry farms are struggling to survive.

Crafteck1:
If hes bigger than the job he wouldn't be there, a boy that just finished secondary school and has parents.... The ootion is 6 boys at 20k or 2 overworked staff at 60k.
Then to clarify payment schemes more for you, i have a staff on 35k monthly, 3 meals daily(1k5),total benefit is over 100k.

mfm04622:
Have you asked the size of the business?
Was he forced to take the job?

shantti:
What is ur own. Remember that they will always pay him irrespective of if they encountered a loss that month. Making profit in Nigeria is so tough.

OlujobaSamuel:
Just because the word "manager" was used doesn't mean the business would have sufficient fund for top notch services with commensurate pay.
How many birds are in the pen, how many staff is the owner paying, if the pen is having 500 or less layers, at #25k per month pay for the manager, the owner might not even be able to go home with #50k at month end on average in a year

Three reasons why you must not pay your staff ridiculous wages:

1. It is illegal

The minimum wage in this country is a pittance at 35k monthly. Shockingly you still want to pay someone 20 - 25 k.

What can he do with that? Can he rent even a chicken coop to sleep in for that amount of money? Transport himself to work and back? Can he aspire to raise a family?

2. It is wicked and manipulative

One person said the total benefits amount to 100k but the actual salary is 35k. If not for being a manipulator, who wants to keep those staff below a certain level, why not pay them the 100k and let them manage their money? The truth is you probably don't want them to have any savings so that you can keep them forever.

3. It makes no business sense

When starting a business you must factor in staff costs. If after paying your staff at least, minimum wage, you still can't take home a reasonable proft, you really don't have a business. Shut it down!

But to expect that someone on slave wages of 20k should be handled your profits without feeling sorely tempted to play a smart one on you, shows a lack of prudence in management.

One other person up there said was he forced? Yes! Only the most desperate of individuals would accept 25k as a monthly salary. But clearly, there is desperation and hunger in the land so at all at all naim bad pass.

Does that mean you should exploit the desperation of your fellow man?

Honestly, it is sad to say but it seems as though the default inclination of the average Nigerian is wickedness.

All of you will then turn around and complain about bad selfish leaders but look at what you're supporting?!

[quote author=SmartyPants post=1115038







Three reasons why you must not pay your staff ridiculous wages:

1. It is illegal

The minimum wage in this coutnry is a pittance at 35k monthly. Shockingly you still want to ay someone 20 - 25 k.

What can he do with that? Can he rent even a chicken coop for that amount of money? Transport himself to work and back? Can he aspire to raise a family?

2. It is wicked and manipulative

One person said the total benefits amount to 100k but the actual salary is 35k. If not for being a manipulator, who wants to keep those staff below a certain level, why not pay them the 100k and let them manage their money? The truth is you probably don't want them to have any savings so that you can keep them forever.

3. It makes no business sense

When starting a business you must factor in staff costs. If after paying your staff at least, minium wage, you still can't take home a reasonable proft, you really don;t have a business. Shut it down!

But to expect that someone on slave wages of 20k should be handled your profits without feeling sorely tempted to play a smart one on you, shows a lack of pridence in management.

One other person up there said was he forced? Yes! Only the most desperate of indivudials would accept 25k as a monthly salary. But clearly, there is desperation and hunger in the land so at all at all naim bad pass.

Does that mean you should exploit the desperation of your fellow man?

Honestly, it is sad to say but it seems as though the default inclination of the average nigerian is wickedness.

All of you will then turn around and complain and about bad selfish leaders but looka t what you're supporting?![/quote]U aren't being realistic enough. Imagine me paying someone 100k when all I male as profit in a month is 20k. U for tell me to dash the staff my business

[quote author=shantti post=111503984][/quote]Guy if your profit is 20k for real, you don't have a business. You and your staff are just making each other miserable.

SmartyPants:
Three reasons why you must not pay your staff ridiculous wages:

1. It is illegal

The minimum wage in this country is a pittance at 35k monthly. Shockingly you still want to pay someone 20 - 25 k.

What can he do with that? Can he rent even a chicken coop to sleep in for that amount of money? Transport himself to work and back? Can he aspire to raise a family?

2. It is wicked and manipulative

One person said the total benefits amount to 100k but the actual salary is 35k. If not for being a manipulator, who wants to keep those staff below a certain level, why not pay them the 100k and let them manage their money? The truth is you probably don't want them to have any savings so that you can keep them forever.

3. It makes no business sense

When starting a business you must factor in staff costs. If after paying your staff at least, minimum wage, you still can't take home a reasonable proft, you really don't have a business. Shut it down!

But to expect that someone on slave wages of 20k should be handled your profits without feeling sorely tempted to play a smart one on you, shows a lack of prudence in management.

One other person up there said was he forced? Yes! Only the most desperate of individuals would accept 25k as a monthly salary. But clearly, there is desperation and hunger in the land so at all at all naim bad pass.

Does that mean you should exploit the desperation of your fellow man?

Honestly, it is sad to say but it seems as though the default inclination of the average Nigerian is wickedness.

All of you will then turn around and complain about bad selfish leaders but look at what you're supporting?!

theory businessman

SmartyPants:
Guy if your profit is 20k for real, you don't have a business. You and your staff are just making each other miserable.

U live in a world of illusion. U haven't heard of starting small. Many major businesses started small while making no profits at all

shantti:
U live in a world of illusion. U haven't heard of starting small. Many major businesses started small while making no profits at all

Nonsense.

Even if your business is starting small, I have told you that you must factor the cost of employees before you start and if at that cost you do not make profit long term then you must not start the business. And if it takes you paying staff peanuts to make profits then you still don't have a business.

It's that simple. Your wickedness and selfishness is just overwhelming your brain.

englishmart:
I won a contract sometime in 2018, hired a team of 25 well paid experts and a couple of maladroit workers who we prefer to call labours. During the project, one of my staff cornered a potential contract that I had been pursuing. A contract that was worth at least #24m. He accepted to execute the project for 13m, and was paid a mobilisation of 6.5m to commence.
To cut the story short, this very Yoruba snitch did a bad job, wasted materials and couldn't deliver 1/10th the project. He later begged me to help him finish up the project but the amount he bargained was far below par. Ebn the cost of workmanship alone was worth more. He was later arrested, detained and currently serving at Ikoyi prison. As a kind-hearted Man from the east, I've been working arduously to get him out on bail. The bail is 5.3m, and I'm confident he'll be out soon.
Though I still hobnob with Yoruba guys, but I ensure it's done with at least a 3.3km long spoon

It's a known fact that you can't hire an expert or skilled person to your job and expect not to be betrayed, If it's not the person you hired intention, he'll be pressured till he compromise.

SmartyPants:
Nonsense.

Even if your business is starting small, I have told you that you must factor the cost of employees before you start and if at that cost you do not make profit long term then you must not start the business. And if it takes you paying staff peanuts to make profits then you still don't have a business.

It's that simple. Your wickedness and selfishness is just overwhelming your brain.

Ur re the one being unreasonably stupid. Big businesses should pay huge salaries while small business should pay moderate salary. For a small farm, paying the manager 25k is not bad at all

SmartyPants:
Three reasons why you must not pay your staff ridiculous wages:

1. It is illegal

The minimum wage in this country is a pittance at 35k monthly. Shockingly you still want to pay someone 20 - 25 k.

What can he do with that? Can he rent even a chicken coop to sleep in for that amount of money? Transport himself to work and back? Can he aspire to raise a family?

2. It is wicked and manipulative

One person said the total benefits amount to 100k but the actual salary is 35k. If not for being a manipulator, who wants to keep those staff below a certain level, why not pay them the 100k and let them manage their money? The truth is you probably don't want them to have any savings so that you can keep them forever.

3. It makes no business sense

When starting a business you must factor in staff costs. If after paying your staff at least, minimum wage, you still can't take home a reasonable proft, you really don't have a business. Shut it down!

But to expect that someone on slave wages of 20k should be handled your profits without feeling sorely tempted to play a smart one on you, shows a lack of prudence in management.

One other person up there said was he forced? Yes! Only the most desperate of individuals would accept 25k as a monthly salary. But clearly, there is desperation and hunger in the land so at all at all naim bad pass.

Does that mean you should exploit the desperation of your fellow man?

Honestly, it is sad to say but it seems as though the default inclination of the average Nigerian is wickedness.

All of you will then turn around and complain about bad selfish leaders but look at what you're supporting?!

I would like to comment on the legal angle of it.
Paying below minimum wage isn't illegal, check the minimum wage law, if you have less than a particular number of staff or your turnover is below a certain amount, you are allowed to pay less than the minimum wage.

The National Minimum Wage Act then exempts many categories of employees from the set of workers eligible for the receipt of a minimum of N30,000.00 (Thirty Thousand Naira) as their monthly minimum wage such as part-time workers, employees in organizations employing less than twenty-five (25) employees, workers in seasonal employment, individuals paid on a commission basis and persons employed in a vessel or an aircraft to which the laws regulating merchant shipping and aviation.

That's the exemption to minimum wage so how is it against the law? In as much as some boss might be doing it because of wickedness, not everyone is.

.

SmartyPants:
25k is a moderate salary?

I forgive you. You're probaby just a poverty stricken bastard.

I really hope your business continues to be "small"for the rest of your days.

For a small farm that doesn't earn much profit, yes, it's moderate.
I forgive u for your last statement

shantti:
For a small farm that doesn't earn much profit, yes, it's moderate.
I forgive u for your last statement

That post was typed in the heat of anger. I've deleted it.

May your business grow and may your generosity grow with it.

Cheers.

englishmart:
I won a contract sometime in 2018, hired a team of 25 well paid experts and a couple of maladroit workers who we prefer to call labours. During the project, one of my staff cornered a potential contract that I had been pursuing. A contract that was worth at least #24m. He accepted to execute the project for 13m, and was paid a mobilisation of 6.5m to commence.
To cut the story short, this very Yoruba snitch did a bad job, wasted materials and couldn't deliver 1/10th the project. He later begged me to help him finish up the project but the amount he bargained was far below par. Ebn the cost of workmanship alone was worth more. He was later arrested, detained and currently serving at Ikoyi prison. As a kind-hearted Man from the east, I've been working arduously to get him out on bail. The bail is 5.3m, and I'm confident he'll be out soon.
Though I still hobnob with Yoruba guys, but I ensure it's done with at least a 3.3km long spoon

Pardon me... But this message could have been passed across, without tribal segregation.

The staff was very dubious and rightly deserves to be in jail. But how did this switch to an ethnic issue??

englishmart:
I won a contract sometime in 2018, hired a team of 25 well paid experts and a couple of maladroit workers who we prefer to call labours. During the project, one of my staff cornered a potential contract that I had been pursuing. A contract that was worth at least #24m. He accepted to execute the project for 13m, and was paid a mobilisation of 6.5m to commence.
To cut the story short, this very Yoruba snitch did a bad job, wasted materials and couldn't deliver 1/10th the project. He later begged me to help him finish up the project but the amount he bargained was far below par. Ebn the cost of workmanship alone was worth more. He was later arrested, detained and currently serving at Ikoyi prison. As a kind-hearted Man from the east, I've been working arduously to get him out on bail. The bail is 5.3m, and I'm confident he'll be out soon.
Though I still hobnob with Yoruba guys, but I ensure it's done with at least a 3.3km long spoon

englishmart:
I won a contract sometime in 2018, hired a team of 25 well paid experts and a couple of maladroit workers who we prefer to call labours. During the project, one of my staff cornered a potential contract that I had been pursuing. A contract that was worth at least #24m. He accepted to execute the project for 13m, and was paid a mobilisation of 6.5m to commence.
To cut the story short, this very Yoruba snitch did a bad job, wasted materials and couldn't deliver 1/10th the project. He later begged me to help him finish up the project but the amount he bargained was far below par. Ebn the cost of workmanship alone was worth more. He was later arrested, detained and currently serving at Ikoyi prison. As a kind-hearted Man from the east, I've been working arduously to get him out on bail. The bail is 5.3m, and I'm confident he'll be out soon.
Though I still hobnob with Yoruba guys, but I ensure it's done with at least a 3.3km long spoon

Even Satan himself is envious of your tribal bigotry.

Keep it up bro.

SmartyPants:
Three reasons why you must not pay your staff ridiculous wages:

1. It is illegal

The minimum wage in this country is a pittance at 35k monthly. Shockingly you still want to pay someone 20 - 25 k.

What can he do with that? Can he rent even a chicken coop to sleep in for that amount of money? Transport himself to work and back? Can he aspire to raise a family?

2. It is wicked and manipulative

One person said the total benefits amount to 100k but the actual salary is 35k. If not for being a manipulator, who wants to keep those staff below a certain level, why not pay them the 100k and let them manage their money? The truth is you probably don't want them to have any savings so that you can keep them forever.

3. It makes no business sense

When starting a business you must factor in staff costs. If after paying your staff at least, minimum wage, you still can't take home a reasonable proft, you really don't have a business. Shut it down!

But to expect that someone on slave wages of 20k should be handled your profits without feeling sorely tempted to play a smart one on you, shows a lack of prudence in management.

One other person up there said was he forced? Yes! Only the most desperate of individuals would accept 25k as a monthly salary. But clearly, there is desperation and hunger in the land so at all at all naim bad pass.

Does that mean you should exploit the desperation of your fellow man?

Honestly, it is sad to say but it seems as though the default inclination of the average Nigerian is wickedness.

All of you will then turn around and complain about bad selfish leaders but look at what you're supporting?!

You just want to argue for argument sake.

If you like make it 5 reasons to not pay staff poorly, workers have freedom to turn down a job offer and you can't pay more than your business revenue can sustain.

Since you care so much employ whoever you like and pay them millions.

I think I was once a bad staff .
I worked in the a biz centre in IMSU when I finished Sec. School . I operated the photocopier , laminator and also binding sticks .
I was the manager .
I was been paid 5k monthly with lunch and #150 T.f.
For some reasons , I was so close to my boss . We had many works that sometimes I stayed in his house working over night . Our shop then was up-school , so I was with the contact of almost of the course reps around and I was damn funny .
We charge photocopy #5 then , and I do make on my own daily 20k+. I do work my socks off . I had other privileges and daily I do get side deals or tips worth about #1k+ after accounting.
My boss started putting eye there . Sometimes he will divide it into 2 and give me half . I became bitter .
Henceforth, as while working , I am separating his money from mine. I never cheated him . I started making gains of 2k+ after work . I was satisfied, but he wasn’t . He noticed , but he couldn’t confront me , and he started owing me salary for months.
In all this our relationship outside work was good .
I devised another means of getting more money . I am a hustler . I was the best of the best in our business and girls love me a lot. I started accepting and executing works behind him . I will buy my paper , toner , and fuel , and execute the works . These works came after work closure . I started recalibrating the machine meter .
During NYSC call ups , most students laminate all their documents. A rim of laminating film is 100. I do finish it daily during that time . Per rim cost 2k , and we laminate per film #100.
While coming to work , I’ll buy extra 10 or 20 films , at #20 each . So I’ll add it to the office own . And I do finish all of them . It gives me extra 1k or 2k . So during the NYSC , I do go home with 3k+ steady . I saved up . I forgot my salary . I used the proceeds to register my younger bro senior WAEC. I still used it to pay my school fees and acceptance fee .
I stopped work when I entered school , my boss transferred the biz to his younger bro and he traveled.
I’ve not reached him since then . Last I heard of him , he is driving Benz , has built house.
Someday I’ll meet him . And I’ll apologize to him.
Tales of bad copier !!!

LagBlogger:
You just want to argue for argument sake.

If you like make it 5 reasons to not pay staff poorly, workers have freedom to turn down a job offer and you can't pay more than your business revenue can sustain.

Since you care so much employ whoever you like and pay them millions.

At a certain level the law will completely disregard an argument that the employee could have rejected the offer because the law recognizes the unequal bargaining position of the parties. You're commenting from a position of ignorance so I won't engage with you anyway.

SmartyPants:
At a certain level the law will completely disregard an argument that the employee could have rejected the offer because the law recognizes the unequal bargaining position of the parties. You're commenting from a position of ignorance so I won't engage with you anyway.

You are the one that is ignorant. The law in Nigeria cannot force employers to pay what their business revenue cannot sustain which is why minimum wage is not being enforced on private sector.

Even the government struggles to pay the minimum wage because salaries depend on sustainable revenue not random imaginary revenue that cannot sustain the business.

Employ people and pay them more than your business can afford then share your magic formula with us on how you made it possible.