franklingud:
OP @sourcerer... All am seeing here are faces of how mad men look like.

my ansestors , and yours , Adam and eve would look like that too , if you're Christian of course

Panda7:
op what would human look like in 10billion years??

We would be fatter , lezz ,athletic , and probably ended the world before any noticeable evolution can be documented . since destroying ourselves and crstjng what can destroy us is what we are good at

Lakeview:
A True sorcerer will not say this garbage!

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Please be open minded , there's no reason I would wish to lie to you

TheSourcerer:
I think I understand your position ...but the thing is I'm preety sure the Asteroid was a random event ,that happens every time both in the known and unknown universes , why do you think its intentional though , please enlighten me in these aspect I fail to grasp ..... (Would really appreciate that )


There's more order then chaos is the universe ? Hmm its pretty much all the way chaotic , the Earth is still chaotic , mother nature is trying to wipe us out , even oxegen would kill us ,we had to evolve to deal and absorb oxegen..... Well I believe there's order in chaos anyway.




And The church may be ignorant of what you know .....

mother nature have shaken off many useless kids off her back since the dawn of time.
We refuse to play by the rules.
We refuse to acknowledge the right to life of others(flora and fauna)
We are not the first to walk the earth.
There are tarred roads under the Pacific off the coast of Bolivia.
There is the Nazca lines in Peru.
We have the greatest of them, the gizeh pyramid.
The pyramid of gizeh , when you multiply it's height by either a thousand or a million will give us 93 million miles.
The exact distance between the sun and the Earth!!
The pyramid stands on a point that if you run a line through it, you will be dividing the earth into two equal parts(both oceans and mountains)
!!!
It was built in alignment with the Sirius constellation!!
The pi is gotten from a calculation in the pyramid.
There are images of aircraft (some we have attained such as biplanes and Boeing's, some we have not attained, they looked like spherical disks)
The church knows that the Sun is a nuclear reactor undergoing fusion of hydrogen into helium thus giving energy yet pretend that it's a religious artifact making their blessed sacrament as an image of the Sun.
I wonder why the government and the church are partners in misinformation.
But I know the reason.

TheSourcerer:
Don't be confused at all , the Bible says 6000 years which is very very wrong . again do not be confused imagine the Lord cresting the works , while the Sumerian were watching him do it lol .

I'm confused by both the scientists and the bible, the hardest part to believe is that human evolved from animals, like some kind of magical transformation, just like that

nairaman66:


Your education is baseless and a joke without common sense!

Well, that's what someone in blissful ignorance will say.

You do not understand evolution, just admit it

Senomii:

How can animals constantly evolve to become humans?

this comment is wrong in biology because humans are animals by all standards, even to cellular level. A simple observation of human cell under a microscope bears all the hallmark of an ideal animal cell. Get this basic education

The whole shit sounds stupid and foolishly confusing, how can earth be up to a billion years old?

It's not stupid, you re just scientifically illiterate

How could everyone just keep getting these informations from calculated facts gathered by scientists?

It's not a calculation, like I said earlier, you re scientifically illiterate and not willing to be educated, evolution is an observed fact and we observe it every minute in science, you don't need maths or calculations to do so.

How sure are they that all there assumptions have been always right?

They are not assumptions, they are facts but you need atleast a degree in science from a reputable university and not mushroom Nigerian universities and then go further to study a postgraduate in the field of biology to be master and properly ubderstand how it works. The fact that a layman like you don't understand it is why it's called science and why people have to get doctorate degree in this specialty.

By the way, it doesn't mean that you cant have peripheral knowledge like I do and then learn how to observe the evidence with a scientific mind and not like a church rat mind who always see everything from a belief point of view

calddon:


Think of the gap between the intellectual abilities of humans when compared to apes.

Because there's a gap doesn't mean that evolution didn't happen.
And again, because most of you are church guys and are here to stiffly defend your beliefs in your creation myths, you probably do not do your reseech properly before making any comment.

There are no gaps or whatsoever when you study the geological aspect of evolution, the fossil records and radiometric dating explains all the gaps. The gaps you talk about can be seen in the gradual skull:body ratio in fossils of other extinct apes. We have evidence that the brain/skill/body ratio consistently increased over years from the austrolopithecus species until date when you follow the evolutionary branch of homoninis. The amazing thing about this fossils of results we got is that, they are consistent with radiometric dating and the geological timeline. We were able to extrapolate that the size of our neocortex in relation to other apes made the difference. BTW, neocortex is repsonsible for higher cognitive activity which brought about consciousness in humans.
We have extanct species of hominids that are way more conscisous than chimpanzees and gorilla, we could figure this from their brain/body ratio. The most recent are the neantherdals, they were much more conscious than chimpanzees and less conscious than humans, early homo sapiens actually saw them. So that's the gap dude, they are in the fossil records.

Lastly, humans are apes, your statement is a goof in biology.
You cannot campare humans to apes when humans themselves are apes

FatherOfJesus:
this comment is wrong in biology because humans are animals by all standards, even to cellular level. A simple observation of human cell under a microscope bears all the hallmark of an ideal animal cell. Get this basic education
It's not stupid, you re just scientifically illiterate

It's not a calculation, like I said earlier, you re scientifically illiterate and not willing to be educated, evolution is an observed fact and we observe it every minute in science, you don't need maths or calculations to do so.

They are not assumptions, they are facts but you need atleast a degree in science from a reputable university and not mushroom Nigerian universities and then go further to study a postgraduate in the field of biology to be master and properly ubderstand how it works. The fact that a layman like you don't understand it is why it's called science and why people have to get doctorate degree in this specialty.

By the way, it doesn't mean that you cant have peripheral knowledge like I do and then learn how to observe the evidence with a scientific mind and not like a church rat

Oga! Keep your fuckin, unnecessary explanations and foolish opinions to yourself, you and useless father ain't feeding me neither did any of your family members contribute to my education, I can believe in whatever I want, debunk whatever I want , and neither do I believe in what science says or any religious bla bla whatever, I believe in nothing and no one! And this will forever remain my stance for as long as I'm alive

Senomii:

Oga! Keep your fuckin, unnecessary explanations and foolish opinions to yourself, you and useless father ain't feeding me neither did any of your family members contribute to my education, I can believe in whatever I want, debunk whatever I want , and neither do I believe in what science says or any religious bla bla whatever, I believe in nothing and no one! And this will forever remain my stance for as long as I'm alive

You can believe whatever you want, that's true but evolution doesn't respect your beliefs, emotions or your creation myths.

When we observe and test phenomenon in science, we always give you the result that we discovered. We don't care if it doesn't align with your ridiculous Bible stories. We just give you the evidence as it has been tested.

So it doesn't matter if you cry me a river here, evolution is fact. We are observing it happen everyday, it doesn't care if you Bible says some other things or you want to believe your Bible. Facts are facts irrespective. Fact is that we evolved from other animals, we cannot say what evidence don't say to make dumb reilgous people like you happy

FatherOfJesus:
Well, that's what someone in blissful ignorance will say.

You do not understand evolution, just admit it

You seems confident in your ignorance. Science only gives a probable explanation about evolution and not really the truth or what happened.

The facts of evolution come from observational evidence of current processes, from imperfections in organisms recording historical common descent, and from transitions in the fossil record.

Evolution is only a theory. It is not a fact or a scientific law. Many people learned in elementary school that a theory falls in the middle of a hierarchy of certainty—above a mere hypothesis but below a law. If you were sensible, you’d know these common facts! But you are not and I won’t waste my time with a non entity!

FatherOfJesus:
Because there's a gap doesn't mean that evolution didn't happen.
And again, because most of you are church guys and are here to stiffly defend your beliefs in your creation myths, you probably do not do your reseech properly before making any comment.

There are no gaps or whatsoever when you study the geological aspect of evolution, the fossil records and radiometric dating explains all the gaps. The gaps you talk about can be seen in the gradual skull:body ratio in fossils of other extinct apes. We have evidence that the brain/skill/body ratio consistently increased over years from the austrolopithecus species until date when you follow the evolutionary branch of homoninis. The amazing thing about this fossils of results we got is that, they are consistent with radiometric dating and the geological timeline. We were able to extrapolate that the size of our neocortex in relation to other apes made the difference. BTW, neocortex is repsonsible for higher cognitive activity which brought about consciousness in humans.
We have extanct species of hominids that are way more conscisous than chimpanzees and gorilla, we could figure this from their brain/body ratio. The most recent are the neantherdals, they were much more conscious than chimpanzees and less conscious than humans, early homo sapiens actually saw them. So that's the gap dude, they are in the fossil records.

Lastly, humans are apes, your statement is a goof in biology.
You cannot campare humans to apes when humans themselves are apes

fossil records over time shows stability in animal groups, there is no fossil evidence that shows animals have changed over the period of their existence. The vast majority of fossils show stability among types of creatures over extensive amounts of time, little to no change recorded.

Simple mind reasoning gives evolution away as false. The natural inclination of the human mind to want to connect with someone higher proves that there is a creator who has designed all we enjoy today, just the way you enjoy your electronic devices which did not come by chance but as a result of brilliant minds put in action.

nairaman66:


You seems confident in your ignorance. Science only gives a probable explanation about evolution and not really the truth or what happened.

dude I have a degree in biochemistry, postgraduate degrees in clinical chemistry, epidemiology and a post graduate certificate in evolutionary biology. I'm an authority in this topic, I'm not doing this to bra though.

The facts of evolution come from observational evidence of current processes, from imperfections in organisms recording historical common descent, and from transitions in the fossil record.

It's not controversial, it's fact. I observe it everyday. Yes, we have a common descent. We have more evidence for this than gravity, atoms and blackholes comoind.
We can easily see it in your DNA, it's like it cannot even be hidden

Evolution is only a theory. It is not a fact or a scientific law

illiterate, I'm going have to educate you here. There's nothing like "evolution is just a theory" that's what scientifically illiterate people say.
We have evolution and we have the theory of evolution, read that carefully because you need basic education. They are different things.

A theory in science is the best explanation for a natural phenomenon.
The theory of evolution tries to explain evolution, just like atomic theory explains atoms, cell theory explains cells and theory of gravity explains gravity. The theory can be modified but the natural phenomenon (evolution, atoms, gravity, cells are constant), we can only modify how we explain them as we get better knowledge about them. So illiterate, evolution is is fact, theory of evolution explains this fact.
BTW, because something is a law in science does not mean it's infallible. Only illiterates like yours think that theories can become a law, that's not how it works. I will give you an example, Albert Einsteins theory of gravity superceded Newton's law of gravity, a theory superceded a law, . So whether theory of evolution is a theory or a law, it doesn't matter. If it's wrong then it's wrong

Many people learned in elementary school that a theory falls in the middle of a hierarchy of certainty—above a mere hypothesis but below a law. If you were sensible, you’d know these common facts! But you are not and I won’t waste my time with a non entity!

I think my last statement already cured this blissful Ignorance. Go get a refund from your elementary school or maybe you didn't pay attention in class.

FatherOfJesus:

Have a great evening.

calddon:
fossil records over time shows stability in animal groups, there is no fossil evidence that shows animals have changed over the period of their existence. The vast majority of fossils show stability among types of creatures over extensive amounts of time, little to no change recorded.

So how did the fossils get there?. What made the fossil get there?
Why does the fossil radiometric dating always tally with the geological timeline?
Why do we see DNA similarities when we map the DNA sequences of these fossils?
Why are all these result consistent?

Simple mind reasoning gives evolution away as false. The natural inclination of the human mind to want to connect with someone higher proves that there is a creator who has designed all we enjoy today, just the way you enjoy your electronic devices which did not come by chance but as a result of brilliant minds put in action.

If evolution is not real, why don't you look exactly like you siblings because you come from same parents? Variations made possible by recombinations and mutation?


How do you account for these variations? When you now accumulated numerous variations of millions of years, how do you account for them?
You will delete them from history right? Joker

You think scienxe doesn't know what we are talking about? You want us to say the variations are shit right? You are a joker

TheSourcerer:
Yes ,

My books are very similar , my theories almost acurats with theories and facts I've not heard but they all add up .

And the ideas from those men keep changing as they find out that the old stuff they said was rubbish.
But for now, this is correct. Until they find something more correct, this becomes wrong rubbish. � great

philiancoop:

And the ideas from those men keep changing as they find out that the old stuff they said was rubbish.
But for now, this is correct. Until they find something more correct, this becomes wrong rubbish. � great

this is not accurate.
Theories in science must change.

Atomic theory has changed for more 10times, doesn't meant that atom is not a thing.

Cell theory changed many times, doesn't mean that cells don't exist.

Theories are updated as we gather better evidence. The work of theories in science is to offer the best known explanations to a phenomenon, it doesn't mean that it own. What doesn't change are the phenomenon we are studying in nature.

Evolution, atoms, cells, gravity cannot change but the theories explaining them can be modified.
I hope you understand this

calddon:
fossil records over time shows stability in animal groups, there is no fossil evidence that shows animals have changed over the period of their existence. The vast majority of fossils show stability among types of creatures over extensive amounts of time, little to no change recorded.

Simple mind reasoning gives evolution away as false. The natural inclination of the human mind to want to connect with someone higher proves that there is a creator who has designed all we enjoy today, just the way you enjoy your electronic devices which did not come by chance but as a result of brilliant minds put in action.

So who created god?

FatherOfJesus:
So how did the fossils get there?. What made the fossil get there?
Why does the fossil radiometric dating always tally with the geological timeline?
Why do we see DNA similarities when we map the DNA sequences of these fossils?
Why are all these result consistent?

If evolution is not real, why don't you look exactly like you siblings because you come from same parents? Variations made possible by recombinations and mutation?


How do you account for these variations? When you now accumulated numerous variations of millions of years, how do you account for them?
You will delete them from history right? Joker

You think scienxe doesn't know what we are talking about? You want us to say the variations are shit right? You are a joker

if you are confident about your position, being civil with your response shouldn't be challenging.

I wouldn't want to see you express your words more emotionally.

That will be all.

Bye

calddon:
if you are confident about your position, being civil with your response shouldn't be challenging. I wouldn't want to see you express your words more emotionally, that will be all. Bye

I won't be civil until you admit that you don't understand evolution.

You do not understand it. I am so sure, I have gone through your comment and I see that you are one these church guys who don't know anything but here to peddle church creation myths.
If you want me to be civil then admit that you want to learn else I will keep exposing your ignorance. Or ask reasonable questions.

We are so damn sure evolution is fact, surer than gravity

FatherOfJesus:
this is not accurate.
Theories in science must change.

Atomic theory has changed for more 10times, doesn't meant that atom is not a thing.

Cell theory changed many times, doesn't mean that cells don't exist.

Theories are updated as we gather better evidence. The work of theories in science is to offer the best known explanations to a phenomenon, it doesn't mean that it own. What doesn't change are the phenomenon we are studying in nature.

Evolution, atoms, cells, gravity cannot change but the theories explaining them can be modified.
I hope you understand this

We are saying the same thing. Change =update. When you update, the former update becomes false.

But you also update the new update, so you have two falses.

How are you sure, you wont update this new update

Senomii:

I'm confused by both the scientists and the bible, the hardest part to believe is that human evolved from animals, like some kind of magical transformation, just like that

its not magical its instinctive for survival, even if you place your finger in a key home for 30 years , it will take the perfect form of the key hole , on a larger scale that's evolution

Senomii:

I'm confused by both the scientists and the bible, the hardest part to believe is that human evolved from animals, like some kind of magical transformation, just like that

if there's any magic at all its the biblical God .

FatherOfJesus:
dude I have a degree in biochemistry, postgraduate degrees in clinical chemistry, epidemiology and a post graduate certificate in evolutionary biology. I'm an authority in this topic, I'm not doing this to bra though..

Your assertions are vague! You spent your university years in futility. Your proofs are in millions of years ago? What a sham of an argument you raised!

You claimed DNA shows proof in this regard, but forgot Humans share DNA with thousands of living things, from bananas, worms and yeast etc!

Scientific evidence shows that the physical and behavioral traits shared by all people originated from apelike ancestors and evolved over a period of approximately six million years! Was this documented on a daily basis? Also, where these changes documented or created in other to confuse ignorant people like you with low mental capacitance!

philiancoop:


We are saying the same thing. Change =update. When you update, the former update becomes false.

But you also update the new update, so you have two falses.

How are you sure, you wont update this new update

nope, that's not what I meant. I'm not sure you understood my statement but I'm going to give you an example. Science is really hard, that's why a layman doesn't understand it but I'm going to be patient with you.


For example, we have atomic theory, atomic theory is a theory trying to explain the nature of atoms.
The first atomic theory I can remember was proposed by jj thompson, this theory accurately predicted that an atom consists of positive and negative charged particles, we tested it and it was correct but he couldn't figure how these particles are arranged with the atom. Dalton discovered that atoms formed coumounds, so we need to modify this theory, because we have new evidence. Rutherford then experimented the arrangement of atoms like planetary system, we need to update, then Chadwick discovered neutron, we needed to update. Bohr again discovered energy levels and orbits of atoms, we needed to update againtofsy we are observing new things about atoms in quantum physics, we will have to update further.
You will notice that while updating, there was never a time someone said atoms done exist, only thr explanations kept getting updated as new evidence comes.
This is the same thing with evolution, there's never going to be a time the scientific community will say that evolution doesn't exist and then replace it with creation, we can only update the theories when new evidence comes. We have updated the theories many times anyways, from lamarckian theory of evolution, to Darwin's theory of evolution and then we discovered DNA and inheritance pattern, we needed to include to what we called neodarwinian theory of evolution today. It has never told us that evolution didn't happen

That's the beauty of science, we don't stop learning and improving and this has worked so far. This is why we were able to invent many stuffs.

nairaman66:


Your assertions are vague! You spent your university years in futility. Your proofs are in millions of years ago? What a sham of an argument you raised!

You claimed DNA shows proof in this regard, but forgot Humans share DNA with thousands of living things, from bananas, worms and yeast etc!

Scientific evidence shows that the physical and behavioral traits shared by all people originated from apelike ancestors and evolved over a period of approximately six million years! Was this documented on a daily basis? Also, where these changes documented or created in other to confuse ignorant people like you with low mental capacitance!

So why don't you look exactly like your siblings?

I mean, it's common sense since you were birthed by same parents. Let me know why

nairaman66:


Your assertions are vague! You spent your university years in futility. Your proofs are in millions of years ago? What a sham of an argument you raised!

You claimed DNA shows proof in this regard, but forgot Humans share DNA with thousands of living things, from bananas, worms and yeast etc!

Scientific evidence shows that the physical and behavioral traits shared by all people originated from apelike ancestors and evolved over a period of approximately six million years! Was this documented on a daily basis? Also, where these changes documented or created in other to confuse ignorant people like you with low mental capacitance!

also kindly explain to me why chloroquine cannot cure malaria again?

Explain to me why we pennicillin stopped testing typhoid?

Explain to me why you need to do a susceptibility test before getting an antibiotics for severe infection?

I want to know.

FatherOfJesus:
nope, that's not what I meant. I'm not sure you understood my statement but I'm going to give you an example. Science is really hard, that's why a layman doesn't understand it but I'm going to be patient with you.


For example, we have atomic theory, atomic theory is a theory trying to explain the nature of atoms.
The first atomic theory I can remember was proposed by jj thompson, this theory accurately predicted that an atom consists of positive and negative charged particles, we tested it and it was correct but he couldn't figure how these particles are arranged with the atom. Dalton discovered that atoms formed coumounds, so we need to modify this theory, because we have new evidence. Rutherford then experimented the arrangement of atoms like planetary system, we need to update, then Chadwick discovered neutron, we needed to update. Bohr again discovered energy levels and orbits of atoms, we needed to update againtofsy we are observing new things about atoms in quantum physics, we will have to update further.
You will notice that while updating, there was never a time someone said atoms done exist, only thr explanations kept getting updated as new evidence comes.
This is the same thing with evolution, there's never going to be a time the scientific community will say that evolution doesn't exist and then replace it with creation, we can only update the theories when new evidence comes. We have updated the theories many times anyways, from lamarckian theory of evolution, to Darwin's theory of evolution and then we discovered DNA and inheritance pattern, we needed to include to what we called neodarwinian theory of evolution today. It has never told us that evolution didn't happen

That's the beauty of science, we don't stop learning and improving and this has worked so far. This is why we were able to invent many stuffs.

Again, you're looking at one side of the possibilities.
Let me help you see the other side.

Dalton found something and then explained that the atom was indivisible and smallest particle of matter. Everyone in science accepted it.

Later, they found he was saying nonsense. And they said below an atom, there are sub atomic particles. They changed or updated to say atom was divisible.
Now they found that sound waves make up neutrons and protons. They named them quarks.
These your books are limited to what they HAVE FOUND up to date.
They will soon or later find new things to better explain these things.

FatherOfJesus:
also kindly explain to me why chloroquine cannot cure amalrai again?

Explain to me why we pennicillin stopped testing typhoid?

Explain to me why you need to do a susceptibility test before getting an antibiotics for severe infection?

I want to know.

These questions are too subtle to address the argument of evolution. Come up with something concrete, you can do better!

nairaman66:


These questions are too subtle to address the argument of evolution. Come up with something concrete, you can do better!

I want o learn from your epitome of knowledge since I wasted all my years in school.

So answer them. Professor of creationism

philiancoop:


Again, you're looking at one side of the possibilities.
Let me help you see the other side.

Dalton found something and then explained that the atom was indivisible and smallest particle of matter. Everyone in science accepted it.

Later, they found he was saying nonsense. And they said below an atom, there are sub atomic particles. They changed or updated to say atom was divisible.
Now they found that sound waves make up neutrons and protons. They named them quarks.
These your books are limited to what they HAVE FOUND up to date.
They will soon or later find new things to better explain these things.

I'm still in shock as to how you didn't get my piont.

Do you have comprehension issues?

If you cannot get the piont of my statement, how can you even understand science?

nairaman66:


These questions are too subtle to address the argument of evolution. Come up with something concrete, you can do better!

after all the blabbing, you got a simple question and this is how you shamelessly tell us that you don't know the answer.

Answer the questions