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benalvino3:
they need to do better and make sure they pressure countries like India and China to make sure their sanctions are effective. they should look at themselves too. how do they still pump billions into russia.

Ibime:
Some things are left unsaid but what's understood need not be explained. EU is a block for the survival of Europeans and Turkey face does not fit. They are migrants from Asia and Turkey is even barely in Europe, just connected to Bulgaria by a slither of land.

AmazonTopaz:
She has been released more details to follow.

sanpipita:
Why are they releasing her, I thought they will charge her to court and possibly jail her

budaatum:
That's the problem they face, who exactly is, themselves. There's the different countries with their different political needs (see current elections in Hungary and France for instance, then there's the disparate citizens in separate nations whom politicians aren't sure how will behave once sanctions hit their pockets. No one wants to be voted out of office for supporting Ukraine afterall.

A pretty neat hypocritical dilemma I say.

Ibime:
When presented with evidence that disproves a point you made. .. . .

budaatum:
This is conspiracy, Ib. The reason Turkey has not joined EU is because they have not fully complied with EU Regulations. They've been let into other European associations in the past despite being Muslims and will be let in this one soon as they comply.

For Europe, Erdogan is probably the obstacle, with his erratic economic policies and what seems like illegality.

benalvino3:
where is the evidence? you made a comment that Turkey cannot join the EU because they are Muslims. do you think Muslims are a race? which evidence did you bring? if you say it is for political Reasons and how autocratic Turkey is and its stance on Cyprus person for understand. But you tied Religion to it and then confuse religion for a race.

budaatum:
This is conspiracy, Ib. The reason Turkey has not joined EU is because they have not fully complied with EU Regulations. They've been let into other European associations in the past despite being Muslims and will be let in this one soon as they comply.

For Europe, Erdogan is probably the obstacle, with his erratic economic policies and what seems like illegality.

sanpipita:
Why are they releasing her, I thought they will charge her to court and possibly jail her

budaatum:
See their type. Our local version want police person bedroom.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/27/world/africa/Nigeria-anti-gay-law.html

Ibime:
I'll take your point but leave you with Nicolas Sarkozys statement. That's from France, the second power player in EU that you need to convince.

“Turkey may enjoy a privileged relationship with the EU, but full membership is excluded. Turkey is not European”.

"I do not believe that Turkey belongs in Europe, and for a simple reason, which is that it is in Asia minor,"

Note that Cyprus is in Asia minor too and is an EU member. Difference is religion.

https://www.economist.com/blogs/certainideasofeurope/2007/12/sarkozy_makes_a_move_against_t

Ibime:
Forget that one. I was referring to your point that Turkey will join first before Ukraine

Turkey has been there for decades trying to join and Eastern Europeans seem to come along and get ticket in just a few years

Ibime:
I'll take your point but leave you with Nicolas Sarkozys statement. That's from France, the second power player in EU that you need to convince.

“Turkey may enjoy a privileged relationship with the EU, but full membership is excluded. Turkey is not European”.

"I do not believe that Turkey belongs in Europe, and for a simple reason, which is that it is in Asia minor,"

Note that Cyprus is in Asia minor too and is an EU member. Difference is religion.

https://www.economist.com/blogs/certainideasofeurope/2007/12/sarkozy_makes_a_move_against_t

benalvino3:
I don't see Ukraine joining as well, it took some countries at least 14 years to get in. Ukraine is just starting. you know how polish citizens full UK? that's what the EU is trying to avoid. mass exodus from their country to other EU member states instead of settling in their own country.

a lot is playing against Turkey, Ukraine has similar issues too.

Ukraine's Destruction today is because The west always destabilizes countries and region with opposing powers. their Democracy destroys. you believe in democracy so instead of a coup to a democratically elected government, they should have waited and voted and not fallen for American influence when they were deciding who will lead the country.

at the end of the day, Ukraine has become another tool destroyed by the West. No be today this kind of struggle started between the west and the east. the Korean war is one. the vietnam war is another, Ukraine is another.

budaatum:
Sakozy may have made such a claim in a member state where islamophobia wins votes for Le Pen, but most European leaders can not claim Turkey can't join Europe because they are Muslims and Islam never stopped them joining EU groups in the past.

In fact, Europe would be glad to have them inside.

benalvino3:
that is his opinion based on politics. is Russia in Europe or Asia? just like Turkey, they fall on both so they can choose where they want to participate.

this has to do with power and the influence Turkey will have in the EU given how many seats they will secure because of their size and population. religion is not a factor. what will happen in the EU is what the issue is. Turkey is a large country, and their, economy and military will change a lot in the EU. its not because of religion

Ibime:
I doubt that highly. You can't join the EU without the agreement of France and Germany and I don't see the Eastern Europeans or Greece being favourable to it. What France and Germany says goes in the EU. He who pays the piper dictates the tune. And Sarkozy was a moderate leader but he said plainly what they will never write down. EU is a Caucasian club. Russia has more chance of joining EU than Turkey if Russia choose to go that route.

Ibime:
I doubt that highly. You can't join the EU without the agreement of France and Germany and I don't see the Eastern Europeans or Greece being favourable to it. What France and Germany says goes in the EU. He who pays the piper dictates the tune. And Sarkozy was a moderate leader but he said plainly what they will never write down. EU is a Caucasian club. Russia has more chance of joining EU than Turkey if Russia choose to go that route.

basilico:
The EU is a power grab too. Erdogan is a dictator benevolent maybe but he wont let decisions made in Brussels ruin his chokehold on the Turkish people.
EU wants to make nations prosperous as long as the EU commission dictates are obeyed eg don't fish salmon or hold fair elections or bananas should be of a particular shape and size. Something Turkey will not accept.
Hence Turkey will never join the EU

basilico:
The EU is a power grab too. Erdogan is a dictator benevolent maybe but he wont let decisions made in Brussels ruin his chokehold on the Turkish people.
EU wants to make nations prosperous as long as the EU commission dictates are obeyed eg don't fish salmon or hold fair elections or bananas should be of a particular shape and size. Something Turkey will not accept.
Hence Turkey will never join the EU

basilico:
The EU is a power grab too. Erdogan is a dictator benevolent maybe but he wont let decisions made in Brussels ruin his chokehold on the Turkish people.
EU wants to make nations prosperous as long as the EU commission dictates are obeyed eg don't fish salmon or hold fair elections or bananas should be of a particular shape and size. Something Turkey will not accept.
Hence Turkey will never join the EU

feedthenation:
---Turkey have always wanted to join the EU---

https://ec.europa.eu/neighbourhood-enlargement/enlargement-policy/negotiations-status/turkey_en

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailysabah.com/politics/eu-affairs/erdogan-calls-on-eu-to-show-sensitivity-about-turkeys-membership/amp

AmazonTopaz:
What is happening in France how is it even close?

Some people will rather sit down than vote for the lesser of two evils because they don't like the lesser evil that is how democracy dies this was [s]how Bernie bros cost Hillary the election in 2016 and that embarrassment became the president[/s].

Hope Macron pulls through he is better than Le Pen

benalvino3:
Its all about power. Turkey joining will shift the structure of power, their influence will be huge as they are the most populous with Germany in second place.

from the way things are, turkey will join the EU before Ukraine will. that's what i believe unless they are very serious in confronting Russia and keeping Russia at bay.

sanpipita:
Why are they releasing her, I thought they will charge her to court and possibly jail her

AmazonTopaz:
The case has been dismissed. Maybe the person who reported her will be sued.

So much for 10 thousand dollars bounty.

basilico:
I mentioned bananas, Do you know the EU has dictates about the size, weight and shape of bananas that EU members can buy?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/05/12/to-properly-explain-the-eus-bendy-bananas-rules-yes-theyre-real/?sh=5f31d0406fc9

AmazonTopaz:
I hope he scales through he is the lesser of the two evils.