Crysthaniel:

My Own Point is that all this Debates here Are potentially fruitless and won't help anyone in real sense. I urge everyone to develop their self spiritually not arguing that a particular religion is right or wrong

It's a pity that the above is exactly what Satan said to deceive Adam and Eve into rebellion against God, and that's what brought mankind to this condition we are today!

Remember that if each person have to develop his or her own spirituality there are thousands of unseen spirit beings out there that's seeking worshipers and they will not hesitate clinch unto inexperienced humans so as to catch them with subtle tricks which will eventually lead to disaster.
For instance, when talking about what is right and wrong those spirits will teach their captives contradicting things about virtue and by the end leading people into killing one another for right and wrong.
Those demons only use different styles to win over their captives, each of them has the real interest of fetching worshipers for themselves. Luke 4:7

Don't think atheists are free in this respect, as long as humans must cohabit peacefully we need to have the same line of thought regarding right and wrong, the only way forward is for mankind to worship the same spirit being. Satan knew very well that if we should sit down and deliberate on this topic it will be easier for us to distinguish between the true God and demons! Malachi 3:16
That's why Satan and his demons prefer that each human isolate himself/herself in seeking spirituality, with that humans will be easy prey for them!

MaxInDHouse:


It's a pity that the above is exactly what Satan said to deceive Adam and Eve into rebellion against God, and that's what brought mankind to this condition we are today!

Remember that if each person have to develop his or her own spirituality there are thousands of unseen spirit beings out there that's seeking worshipers and they will not hesitate clinch unto inexperienced humans so as to catch them with subtle tricks which will eventually lead to disaster.
For instance, when talking about what is right and wrong those spirits will teach their captives contradicting things about virtue and by the end leading people into killing one another for right and wrong.
Those demons only use different styles to win over their captives, each of them has the real interest of fetching worshipers for themselves. Luke 4:7

Don't think atheists are free in this respect, as long as humans must cohabit peacefully we need to have the same line of thought regarding right and wrong, the only way forward is for mankind to worship the same spirit being. Satan knew very well that if we should sit down and deliberate on this topic it will be easier for us to distinguish between the true God and demons! Malachi 3:16
That's why Satan and his demons prefer that each human isolate himself/herself in seeking spirituality, with that humans will be easy prey for them!

You made some valuable comments here.. But actually there is no distinction in worshipping God alone or in Group As a group may all believe in the wrong thing.. Mind you that According to the Bible, people that claim to know God Also derailed and non servants of God are also pointed out and appreciated for their So called fine works.. So what's the thing here.. Is to know that God don't love a group or a person, he loves everyone and everyone can seek him.. Yes in group or not..

Crysthaniel:


You made some valuable comments here.. But actually there is no distinction in worshipping God alone or in Group As a group may all believe in the wrong thing.. Mind you that According to the Bible, people that claim to know God Also derailed and non servants of God are also pointed out and appreciated for their So called fine works.. So what's the thing here.. Is to know that God don't love a group or a person, he loves everyone and everyone can seek him.. Yes in group or not..

yes
although some groups teach that they are the only way. rc's, jw's, etc.

many can seek, but it's easier for one not in that kind of a group, to actually find God

Crysthaniel:


You made some valuable comments here.. But actually there is no distinction in worshipping God alone or in Group As a group may all believe in the wrong thing.. Mind you that According to the Bible, people that claim to know God Also derailed and non servants of God are also pointed out and appreciated for their So called fine works.. So what's the thing here.. Is to know that God don't love a group or a person, he loves everyone and everyone can seek him.. Yes in group or not..

To this he said: “I have been absolutely zealous for Jehovah the God of armies; for the people of Israel have forsaken your covenant, your altars they have torn down, and your prophets they have killed with the sword, and I am the only one left. Now they are seeking to take my life away.” 1Kings 19:10

The above comment is from Elijah one of the greatest among servants of God in ancient times.
Do you notice the highlighted?
Definitely true worship of God can't be done in ISOLATION!

MaxInDHouse:


I know you strongly believe we are deceived so that's no problem to me but anytime you want to know why we are keeping our faith {1Peter 3:15} just invite me the same way you did here:



I must not deprive you of what you want to know about pure worship {Matthew 7:7-8} as for who is right or wrong in religion you can keep your opinion while i keep mine!

Lol... Mr Max... The JW who swallows every thing the Watchtower gives him without questioning... the man who uses only one Scripture in the whole Bible to form a doctrine about the non-existence of Hell when there are more than 10 Scriptures that contradict that doctrine... The man who believes that the Holy Spirit is not a person... The man who believes that human beings are made in the image of Angels... the man that denies the doctrine of the Trinity....


I could go on and on but like I said before and will say again... continue in your deception

Hismasterpiece:


Lol... Mr Max... The JW who swallows every thing the Watchtower gives him without questioning... the man who uses only one Scripture in the whole Bible to form a doctrine about the non-existence of Hell when there are more than 10 Scriptures that contradict that doctrine... The man who believes that the Holy Spirit is not a person... The man who believes that human beings are made in the image of Angels... the man that denies the doctrine of the Trinity....
I could go on and on but like I said before and will say again... continue in your deception

Thanks for spending your time and data!

johnw47:


yes
although some groups teach that they are the only way. rc's, jw's, etc.

many can seek, but it's easier for one not in that kind of a group, to actually find God

Yeah literally every group believes that they are right.. Its fine my wish is that every one that knows the way should teach others by that way everyone one will benefit.. I don't have a problem with Jehovahs witnesses or any other Christiandom.. My desire is for all to wake up and look at religion with the right perspective

It saddens me why so many people attack each other doctrines as this is actually not what is to be done.. We should be telling each other how to improve spiritually
. Yes developing Godly qualities..

Crysthaniel:

It saddens me why so many people attack each other doctrines as this is actually not what is to be done.. We should be telling each other how to improve spiritually
. Yes developing Godly qualities..

Jesus believes he knows all about spirituality {John 14:6} so his true followers must say the same thing.
But when people are saying this then all you need to look out for is the FRUIT their religion is producing {Matthew 7:16-18} through the FRUIT that's well observed you will know the truth and the truth will set you free from lies! John 8:32

MaxInDHouse:


Thanks for spending your time and data!

I have more than enough data so it ain't a problem.

So I will say again... continue in you deception.

Hismasterpiece:


Lol... Mr Max... The JW who swallows every thing the Watchtower gives him without questioning...

From the pulpit of your Pastorpreneurs & you swallow that GIBBERISH hook line and sinker.

Hismasterpiece:


the man who uses only one Scripture in the whole Bible to form a doctrine about the non-existence of Hell when there are more than 10 Scriptures that contradict that doctrine...

If you are a student of the Bible you would have known that @ Mark 9:43-48 & elsewhere in your Bible, Jesus Christ spoke of Gehenna (Hebrew Gehinnom) NOT hellfire.

Your Trinity mentors removed Gehenna & put (hellfire which doesn't exist) into your Bible & you come online dey run your mouth

Hismasterpiece:

The man who believes that the Holy Spirit is not a person...

According to Jesus Christ, holy spirit Is God's finger.
Oga,is God's finger a person?
What of God's eyes and ears?
These (ears and eyes) are persons to you?
God placed a portion of holy spirit on the menu to assist Moses.
Oga,How many persons did God put on the men chosen to assist Moses in the bible book of Numbers?

Hismasterpiece:

The man who believes that human beings are made in the image of Angels...

Humans & Jesus were created in the image of God, Colossians 1:14-16, Genesis 1:27 dey your own Bible?

Hismasterpiece:

the man that denies the doctrine of the Trinity....

John 20:17, did Jesus Christ worship 3 persons?
You claim Jesus is God in the flesh.
Did God in the flesh ascend to meet himself?

Hismasterpiece:

I could go on and on but like I said before and will say again... continue in your deception

Oga, you have not said anything close to your Bible truth.

Janosky:

From the pulpit of your Pastorpreneurs & you swallow that GIBBERISH hook line and sinker.
If you are a student of the Bible you would have known that @ Mark 9:43-48 & elsewhere in your Bible, Jesus Christ spoke of Gehenna (Hebrew Gehinnom) NOT hellfire.
Your Trinity mentors removed Gehenna & put (hellfire which doesn't exist) into your Bible & you come online dey run your mouth
According to Jesus Christ, holy spirit Is God's finger.
Oga,is God's finger a person?
What of God's eyes and ears?
These (ears and eyes) are persons to you?
God placed a portion of holy spirit on the menu to assist Moses.
Oga,How many persons did God put on the men chosen to assist Moses in the bible book of Numbers?
Humans & Jesus were created in the image of God, Colossians 1:14-16, Genesis 1:27 dey your own Bible?
John 20:17, did Jesus Christ worship 3 persons?
You claim Jesus is God in the flesh.
Did God in the flesh ascend to meet himself?
Oga, you have not said anything close to your Bible truth.

Once i notice there's nothing tangible to gain in some discussions i will just excuse myself and let the person be!

Crysthaniel:


My Own Point is that all this Debates here Are potentially fruitless and won't help anyone in real sense
I urge everyone to develop their self spiritually not arguing that a particular religion is right or wrong

Oga, it's important that everyone following the thread, critically examine the evidences put forward on this topic and have a better understanding.

It's obvious you are not interested in doing just that.
No wahala.
It your choice.
Shalom.

MaxInDHouse:


Once i notice there's nothing tangible to gain in some discussions i will just excuse myself and let the person be!

Someone else will look at it thoroughly & start asking questions & seeking for answers.

This is a public forum.
Unknown to him, he has unwittingly created a basis for that.

MaxInDHouse:

Jesus believes he knows all about spirituality {John 14:6} so his true followers must say the same thing.
But when people are saying this then all you need to look out for is the FRUIT their religion is producing {Matthew 7:16-18} through the FRUIT that's well observed you will know the truth and the truth will set you free from lies! John 8:32

Yes by the Fruit we shall know them.. True yes

Janosky:

Someone else will look at it thoroughly & start asking questions & seeking for answers.
This is a public forum.
Unknown to him, he has unwittingly created a basis for that.

Of course Jesus Christ commanded us never to deprive anyone of the truth we know! Matthew 7:7-8
So when we notice individuals with honest hearts we mustn't leave such ones in the dark!

Crysthaniel:

Yes by the Fruit we shall know them.. True yes

If you agree with that then the next thing to do is find out what is the FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit in the gathering of imperfect humans who believes in Jesus?

Jesus likens each religion to a tree {Matthew 7:16-18} you and i knows surely that trees do have sharp resemblance and there are GIFTS in trees that could be found in many other trees but only the FRUIT that can't be found anywhere else except if it's that particular tree.

So what is the FRUIT expected of the religion that truly belongs to Jesus?

MaxInDHouse:


If you agree with that then the next thing to do is find out what is the FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit in the gathering of imperfect humans who believes in Jesus?

Jesus likens each religion to a tree {Matthew 7:16-18} you and i knows surely that trees do have sharp resemblance and there are GIFTS in trees that could be found in many other trees but only the FRUIT that can't be found anywhere else except if it's that particular tree.

So what is the FRUIT expected of the religion that truly belongs to Jesus?

My Bro it seems you don't get what am saying here.. Am not against Following jesus as a group my own is to Assist others,discussion as to whether a group is true or not Dosent interest me

If anyone being who claims to know God can't find a Good thing in Others my Bro the person has not learn anything...

Crysthaniel:

My Bro it seems you don't get what am saying here.. Am not against Following jesus as a group my own is to Assist others,discussion as to whether a group is true or not Dosent interest me
If anyone being who claims to know God can't find a Good thing in Others my Bro the person has not learn anything...

It's not to be mixed my friend!

There are good and nice people out there and the whole world (including unbelievers) used to appreciate them.
But here we are talking about FAITH in God which has to do with submissiveness to the right group teaching righteousness. Zephaniah 2:2-3
Remember a man (politician) once knelt down before Jesus asking him what he must do to inherit God's Kingdom {Luke 18:18} this man has kept all the laws of God right from his youth until that day {Luke 18:21} so was he a good and nice person? YES of course! If he's not good he wouldn't have knelt down before a common carpenter who never attended any Rabbinical School of his time and start asking for what only religious leaders could answer!
But after Jesus told him what is required the man left Jesus and walked away in grief.
WHY?
Because he must sell away all his prestige and status then become one of Jesus' followers who have left everything behind {Marl 10:28} only to follow Jesus as a GROUP!
What about a condemned criminal who never cared about being nice?
This one was prepared to follow Jesus Christ and obey him as King {Luke 23:42} well because he was willing to surrender himself and obey Jesus as King Jesus instantly promised that former criminal a place in his future Kingdom Paradise! Luke 23:43

So it's not about being a nice person but readiness to endure all what others will pass through as Jesus' disciples working together as a group!

MaxInDHouse:


It's not to be mixed my friend!

There are good and nice people out there and the whole world (including unbelievers) used to appreciate them.
But here we are talking about FAITH in God which has to do with submissiveness to the right group teaching righteousness. Zephaniah 2:2-3
Remember a man (politician) once knelt down before Jesus asking him what he must do to inherit God's Kingdom {Luke 18:18} this man has kept all the laws of God right from his youth until that day {Luke 18:21} so was he a good and nice person? YES of course! If he's not good he wouldn't have knelt down before a common carpenter who never attended any Rabbinical School of his time and start asking for what only religious leaders could answer!
But after Jesus told him what is required the man left Jesus and walked away in grief.
WHY?
Because he must sell away all his prestige and status then become one of Jesus' followers who have left everything behind {Marl 10:28} only to follow Jesus as a GROUP!
What about a condemned criminal who never cared about being nice?
This one was prepared to follow Jesus Christ and obey him as King {Luke 23:42} well because he was willing to surrender himself and obey Jesus as King Jesus instantly promised that former criminal a place in his future Kingdom Paradise! Luke 23:43

So it's not about being a nice person but readiness to endure all what others will pass through as Jesus' disciples working together as a group!

Am not against your or Any one Group..
My own is that debates here about wh group is right or Wrong is not help full.. I Really understand your point

Crysthaniel:

Am not against your or Any one Group..
My own is that debates here about wh group is right or Wrong is not help full.. I Really understand your point

Well it's those who knew their religion doesn't measure up to standard that's always calling out Jehovah's Witnesses.
We don't go after them because we know all eyes are on the one and only group that belongs to Jesus! Matthew 5:14-16

MaxInDHouse:


Well it's those who knew their religion doesn't measure up to standard that's always calling out Jehovah's Witnesses.
We don't go after them because we know all eyes are on the one and only group that belongs to Jesus! Matthew 5:14-16

false jw mad max

see how you people cannot stop lying ever, and i for one post to you false jw's for that very reason, you people lie like hell, and are puffed up, and you covet, etc.etc.

it's because of your very many bad fruits and then claiming to be God's people, is why christians post to you, oh most duh one,
you are frauds and that is why i for one like to tell you who you are:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Janosky:


OLAADEGBU 3 deities were dead for 3 days & were crying to themselves "my God my God why have you forsaken us"

Talk of unbelievers mocking their Maker.

MaxInDHouse:


You this FOOL, what is the name of your own Church?
After all you always type JW with my name and everybody throughout the world know the group bearing that name!

You need the blood of Jesus to wash your heart and mouth from profanity instead of your indoctrinations.

MaxInDHouse:


You this FOOL, what is the name of your own Church?
After all you always type JW with my name and everybody throughout the world know the group bearing that name!

Ecclesiastes 7:6
For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool:


ohh duh lost sewer mouth false jw mad max

you so blinded as well:

I Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

johnw47:

false jw mad max

see how you people cannot stop lying ever, and i for one post to you false jw's for that very reason, you people lie like hell, and are puffed up, and you covet, etc.etc.

it's because of your very many bad fruits and then claiming to be God's people, is why christians post to you, oh most duh one,
you are frauds and that is why i for one like to tell you who you are:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

you people so dum, aren't you oh insaneo

MaxInDHouse:


You this FOOL, what is the name of your own Church?
After all you always type JW with my name and everybody throughout the world know the group bearing that name!

false jw mad max

The Church/those saved by God's grace, is made up of people from diffrent denominations and from people who are non denominational

the church is people saved through their God given faith
the bible gives a number of names for the church, such as: the body of Christ
you may call me by any and all of them

u false jw's haven't a clue about The Church, or about anything much

rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

when Jesus said fool, he was saying the truth, they were fools

when false jw's call out fool in reply to the truth, they are headed to the Lake Of Fire:

Mat 5:22  But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

OLAADEGBU:


1. If the Witness says he learns his theology by reading the Bible alone, then he contradicts the Watchtower which says that is not possible:

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