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tctrills:
He is the Judge of all. You are only assuming. Like I said earlier, not one verse says the goats are part of his flock. You don't need to be his to be under his command. At the name of Jesus, every knee shall bow.

Yes, He is the one to judge all those who belong in His flock, just as He said. Those who have previously been judged guilty by God's judgment in Genesis 3 vs 16 - 22 remained condemned by that.. John 3 vs 16 - 21

tctrills:
You want to interpret for Christ. When he says he does not know them, it means they are not a part of his flock. He said I know my sheep.

I do no such thing this since Jesus Christ is the same who told The parables in even Matthew 25, this in addition to the revelation He gave of what is to take place upon His return in verses 31 - 46

tctrills:
Why do you think so. He created man to overcome sin. Hence man had to experience sin.

who told you GOD create Adam to overcome sin

was there since before creation,

wasn't Adam created during creation, was there a mention of sin during creation?

do4luv14:
who told you GOD create Adam to overcome sin

was there since before creation,

wasn't Adam created during creation, was there a mention of sin during creation?

So who created sin?
And it seems now your god is not the creator of all things.

Maynman:
So who created sin? And it seems now your god is not the creator of all things.

show me where you saw him create sin

do4luv14:
show me where you saw him create sin

The same place he said he created all things? Or your god lied?

Maynman:
The same place he said he created all things? Or your god lied?

what is the same place, I asked you to show me period

do4luv14:
what is the same place, I asked you to show me period

Isaiah 45:7

Maynman:
Isaiah 45:7

is Isaiah 45:7. creation


or are you trying to say Adam was created during Isaiah time

do4luv14:
is Isaiah 45:7. creation

What do you understand by “creation”?

Maynman:
What do you understand by “creation”?

throwing the question back to me right,
that chapter and verse you quoted was it during creation

do4luv14:
throwing the question back to me right,

that chapter and verse you quoted was it during creation

I have to, this is what you asked earlier, now you are changing it

Maynman:
I have to, this is what you asked earlier, now you are changing it

am not changing anything, was that quote made during creation, if yes then he created it, if no OYO

do4luv14:
am not changing anything, was that quote made during creation, if yes then he created it, if no OYO

Which creation? Was Moses there during it?

Maynman:
Which creation? Was Moses there during it?

we are talking about Adam's sin, yet you brought Isaiah, now you are bringing moses

sorry bro am done, thanks

do4luv14:
we are talking about Adam's sin, yet you brought Isaiah, now you are bringing moses

sorry bro am done, thanks

I quoted a verse in Isaiah. Don’t be that slow.
All the accounts of heaven and hell, and Adam and eve was it not assumed that it was “Moses” that wrote it!

do4luv14:
who told you GOD create Adam to overcome sin

was there since before creation,

wasn't Adam created during creation, was there a mention of sin during creation?

Nice questions
Revelation 3:21
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
There was no sin before the creation but God knew there would be sin hence, he prepared Christ even before the creation of the world to die for our sins. The bible calls Christ a lamb slain before the foundations of the world. Did God know that Adam would sin? Yes. Did he prepare a way for us to overcome sin? Yes, Christ is the way.
Both Adam and Jesus Christ are path of God's plan. None was a mistake or an afterthought.

Kobojunkie:
I do no such thing this since Jesus Christ is the same who told The parables in even Matthew 25, this in addition to the revelation He gave of what is to take place upon His return in verses 31 - 46

But the parable did not say the goats are his flocks you assumed that. The parable clearly called the sheep his. So where did you get the goat theory? Also, the parable never said only the flock would resurrect, you added that.

tctrills:
But the parable did not say the goats are his flocks you assumed that. The parable clearly called the sheep his. So where did you get the goat theory? Also, the parable never said only the flock would resurrect, you added that.

The Parable told you that among the brides meant for the bridegroom, are those who will not make it..

Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46, which isn't a parable, is Jesus Christ in fact separating the brides into sheep and goats, where the sheep represent those who will enter into the Bridegroom whereas the goats are the brides cast out in to the outer darkness.

Those who have previously been judged guilty by God's judgment in [b]Genesis 3 vs 16 - 22 remained condemned by that..[/b]
No they do not remain condemned. read Isaiah
Isaiah 1:18 -
“Come now, let us reason together, says the Lord: though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow;

Ezekiel 37:1-10
Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, 'Dry bones, hear the word of the Lord! This is what the Sovereign Lord says to these bones: I will make breath enter you, and you will come to life.

We all fall guilty of the same judgment remember, the wages of sin is death. We all would die just like Adam but as in Adam all men shall die so in Christ would all men live again

Kobojunkie:
The Parable told you that among the brides meant for the bridegroom, are those who will not make it..

Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46, which isn't a parable, is Jesus Christ in fact separating the brides into sheep and goats, where the sheep represent those who will enter into the Bridegroom whereas the goats are the brides cast out in to the outer darkness.

Yes Christ told 3 parables. You seem to be mixing all 3. We know that the foolish virgins would not make the kingdom and also the goats. The bible never suggested that the foolish virgins and the goats must be the very same people. That's your addition. Also the bible never suggested that only followers of Christ would resurrect another addition of yours.

tctrills:
Yes Christ told 3 parables. You seem to be mixing all 3. We know that the foolish virgins would not make the kingdom and also the goats. The bible never suggested that the foolish virgins and the goats must be the very same people. That's your addition. Also the bible never suggested that only followers of Christ would resurrect another addition of yours.

He told 2 parables in the context of Matthew 25 and I am not in any way confusing them given that I pointed out specifically which of the 2 I meant.

And again.....The Parable told you that among the brides meant for the bridegroom, are those who will not make it..

Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46, which isn't a parable, is Jesus Christ in fact separating the brides into sheep and goats, where the sheep represent those who will enter into the Bridegroom whereas the goats are the brides cast out in to the outer darkness.

Kobojunkie:
He told 2 parables in the context of Matthew 25 and I am not in any way confusing them given that I pointed out specifically which of the 2 I meant.

And again.....The Parable told you that among the brides meant for the bridegroom, are those who will not make it..

Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46, which isn't a parable, is Jesus Christ in fact separating the brides into sheep and goats, where the sheep represent those who will enter into the Bridegroom whereas the goats are the brides cast out in to the outer darkness.

Jesus Christ is the most intelligent person that every lived you don't need to help him explain himself when he is super clear with his world. You are assume that the foolish virgins and the goats most be the same people and also that the goat are part of his kingdom.
If the goats were part of the kingdom he would have said it. Again where did you read that the goats would hear his voice?

tctrills:
Jesus Christ is the most intelligent person that every lived you don't need to help him explain himself when he is super clear with his world. You are assume that the foolish virgins and the goats most be the same people and also that the goat are part of his kingdom.
If the goats were part of the kingdom he would have said it. Again where did you read that the goats would hear his voice?

Again...The Parable told you that among the brides meant for the bridegroom, are those who will not make it..

Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46, which isn't a parable, is Jesus Christ in fact separating the brides into sheep and goats, where the sheep represent those who will enter into the Bridegroom whereas the goats are the brides cast out in to the outer darkness.

I didn't make any assumptions here. I simply followed the logic laid down by Jesus Christ Himself.

The foolish brides were cast out into the darkness same as the goats, so no leap necessary here.

Kobojunkie:
Again...The Parable told you that among the brides meant for the bridegroom, are those who will not make it..

Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46, which isn't a parable, is Jesus Christ in fact separating the brides into sheep and goats, where the sheep represent those who will enter into the Bridegroom whereas the goats are the brides cast out in to the outer darkness.

I didn't make any assumptions here. I simply followed the logic laid down by Jesus Christ Himself.

The foolish brides were cast out into the darkness same as the goats, so no leap necessary here.

Yes both the foolish virgins and the goats would not enter the kingdom but you assumed that they must be the say. Jesus never said so. And for such a serious doctrine that you are preaching, the foundation is based on funny assumptions.
For such a serious doctrine, you need to interrupt parables to suit your doctrine.
Let me ask you, excluding these parables, that you incorrectly interpret, are there any other verse that teach that only Christ's followers would resurrect because I can show you verses that clearly teach that all men would resurrect.

Kobojunkie:
Again...The Parable told you that among the brides meant for the bridegroom, are those who will not make it..

Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46, which isn't a parable, is Jesus Christ in fact separating the brides into sheep and goats, where the sheep represent those who will enter into the Bridegroom whereas the goats are the brides cast out in to the outer darkness.

I didn't make any assumptions here. I simply followed the logic laid down by Jesus Christ Himself.

The foolish brides were cast out into the darkness same as the goats, so no leap necessary here.

Lets agree the foolish virgins who would not make heaven are from the church, why do you assume that the goats must also be from the church. Yes both would not make heaven that does not in anyway shape or form mean that they are both of the church unless you choose to assume.

tctrills:
1. Yes both the foolish virgins and the goats would not enter the kingdom but you assumed that they must be the say. Jesus never said so. And for such a serious doctrine that you are preaching, the foundation is based on funny assumptions.

For such a serious doctrine, you need to interrupt parables to suit your doctrine.
Let me ask you, excluding these parables, that you incorrectly interpret, are there any other verse that teach that only Christ's followers would resurrect because I can show you verses that clearly teach that all men would resurrect.

Is there another group out there there that Jesus Christ taught will end up in Hell?

There are 2 doors into the Kingdom of God through which only those who believe and are Born Again csn enter in through
▪︎ the broad Gate that leads to damnation aka Hell
▪︎ the narrow gate that leads to true life aka Heaven

There are two groups of people, the foolish brides and the wise brides, the seeds planted by the owner of the field and the seeds planted by the enemy to the owner, there are the sheep and the goats.

No indication of a third group.

tctrills:
1. Lets agree the foolish virgins who would not make heaven are from the church, why do you assume that the goats must also be from the church.

2. Yes both would not make heaven that does not in anyway shape or form mean that they are both of the church unless you choose to assume.

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. Because they are the foolish virgins who Jesus Christ explained will end up in Hell. No other group indicated by Jesus Christ to end up in Hell.

2. According to Jesus Christ's very own teachings, there are only two kinds of people. Those who end up in Heaven and those who end up in Hell.. and all of them are of His flock.

Kobojunkie:
Is there another group out there there that Jesus Christ taught will end up in Hell?

There are 2 doors into the Kingdom of God through which only those who believe and are Born Again csn enter in through
▪︎ the broad Gate that leads to damnation aka Hell
▪︎ the narrow gate that leads to true life aka Heaven

There are two groups of people, the foolish brides and the wise brides, the seeds planted by the owner of the field and the seeds planted by the enemy to the owner, there are the sheep and the goats.

No indication of a third group.

Yes 2 groups, the foolish virgin and the goats.
Yes the seed planted by the enemy not by the Lord. Never did he claim they are his flock he doesn't know them. Many groups of people would go to hell not one group.
Revelation 21:8
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

Do you see the so many groups that would go to hell?

. Because they are the foolish virgins who Jesus Christ explained will end up in Hell. No other group indicated by Jesus Christ to end up in Hell. He spoke about 2 groups , the foolish virgin and the goats.

2. According to Jesus Christ's very own teachings, there are only two kinds of people. Those who end up in Heaven and those who end up in Hell.. and all of them are of His flock. True but who are those that would go to hell?

But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
Here we see all the groups that would go to hell.
You don't need to assume that the foolish virgins and the goats are the same.

tctrills:
1. Yes 2 groups, the foolish virgin and the goats.
Yes the seed planted by the enemy not by the Lord. Never did he claim they are his flock he doesn't know them.

2. Many groups of people would go to hell not one group.
Revelation 21:8
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

Do you see the so many groups that would go to hell?

1. Again, 2 groups of people with the one group slayed for Hell and the other slated for Heaven. So anyone who is bound for Hell must fit into the group that is slayed for Hell..and according to Jesus Christ, those in that group
* are planted among the ones whom He planted
* Are brides for the bridegroom
* Are also in the Kingdom of God
*Are servants also given talents they are expected to make profits with. ...

2. So you can't see that all those listed in that verse you conveniently quoted from Johns book of Revelation belong to the group called sinners aka those who refuse to obey the commandments of Jesus Christ aka the goats?

So you can't see that all those listed in that verse you conveniently quoted from Johns book of Revelation belong to the group called sinners aka those who refuse to obey the commandments of Jesus Christ aka the goats?
Beautiful, I like how you finally put it. All those who reject the word of God are going to hell. All sinners are going to hell. So why have you been confuse? They would be resurrected before they go to hell na.
Now you have proven it does not matter if you are of the church or not as long as you are a sinner, you are going to hell. We finally agree.
As much as I enjoy your argument, Its dependent on lots of assumption. So rather than doing this back and front, we could simple believe Jesus when he says
Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
He did not say all my sheep and goats because he does not have goats, he has only sheep