kingthreat:


Just like 90% of Brits and Americans will support their country in a war, 90% of Russians will. They are not like some people who were not brought up on the principles of loyalty and patriotism have no point to make.

I said where did you get the stats from you’re fuming? Provide the info where the data was compiled like a poll or something.

Seun:
I feel that western leaders and media haven’t been disciplined enough to distinguish between Vladimir Putin and the people of Russia when they talk about the war in Ukraine and the economic sanctions the West responded with. Despite referring to the war as “Putin’s war” at various points, and occasionally pointing out that their enemy is Putin, rather than the Russian people who are also victims of the Putin regime, many of their statements fail to make the distinction.

Making the distinction is very important because the people of Russia are potential allies in the fight against the Putin regime in Russia. They are the only ones who can end the Putin regime without the risk of being nuked. The west has to make it clear that the sanctions are meant to punish and weaken the Putin regime. It must be made clear that if the Russian people can replace the Putin regime with a more peaceful government, their economic hardships will end. The sanctions will end.

The people of Russia are victims of Vladimir Putin too. He stole their country which was on the path to democracy and now he’s sacrificing the lives of their sons to steal another country. He imprisons, tortures and kills Russians who dare to speak against him. He uses state-owned media to brainwash them. While other countries are focused on building strong economies, the Putin government forces Russians to waste their lives in unnecessary wars that attract painful sanctions.

Signs are showing of grave discontent with Criminal putin, from his Military commanders and the Russian elites. It won't be long till they dispose of him like Ghaddafi, Saddam, and other blood suckers like milosevic, Pol pot etc. putin must be destroyed, his future is no future.

KaluwisxPRO:


I said where did you get the stats from you’re fuming? Provide the info where the data was compiled like a poll or something.

I stated it based on my observations. You can disprove me rather than say something comes from the asss.

MangekyoAlt:
You keep repeating and even copying and pasting propaganda from CNN, BBC and the likes..... Let me ask you since you claim the average Russian is brainwashed by the Russian govt by their "state run" media's.

CNN and Fox News are lying. BBC of UK is lying. DW of Germany is lying. WION of India is lying. Wikipedia is lying. All European countries are lying. Canada is lying. Japan, South Korea, and all civilized democratic nations are lying. The only people telling the truth are the murderous dictator Vladimir Putin who said he wouldn't invade Ukraine and invaded them anyway, and the people he pays to lie on his behalf. Right?

Do you think western media's also don't ditch out propaganda? Please this is a genuine question. I eagerly await your response to that honest question.

The difference between Russian media and the free media in civilised countries is that free media is free to criticise the government. They are free to make fun of Joe Biden. They are free to call him a liar if he lies. Fox News channel is free to attack Joe Biden just as CNN was free to attack Donald Trump. But in Russia, China and other dictatorships, people can be arrested, tortured, jailed and killed for criticising the dictator. If what Russian mainstream media is saying is true, there is no law or force in the West that's stopping "western media" from reporting on those things. The reason why nobody takes Russian state media seriously is because they keep telling obvious lies, like saying that there's no war in Ukraine.

Here is a Russian journalist who knows the truth. Listen to her:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iowx9WfrM0k

If the entire world says that the earth is round and they have videos and photos to prove it, and one person says that it's flat, who do you believe? If free media of the entire "West" has the same basic understanding of what's going on and Russia's own is different, Russia is lying.

Seun:
I feel that western leaders and media haven’t been disciplined enough to distinguish between Vladimir Putin and the people of Russia when they talk about the war in Ukraine and the economic sanctions the West responded with. Despite referring to the war as “Putin’s war” at various points, and occasionally pointing out that their enemy is Putin, rather than the Russian people who are also victims of the Putin regime, many of their statements fail to make the distinction.

Making the distinction is very important because the people of Russia are potential allies in the fight against the Putin regime in Russia. They are the only ones who can end the Putin regime without the risk of being nuked. The west has to make it clear that the sanctions are meant to punish and weaken the Putin regime. It must be made clear that if the Russian people can replace the Putin regime with a more peaceful government, their economic hardships will end. The sanctions will end.

The people of Russia are victims of Vladimir Putin too. He stole their country which was on the path to democracy and now he’s sacrificing the lives of their sons to steal another country. He imprisons, tortures and kills Russians who dare to speak against him. He uses state-owned media to brainwash them. While other countries are focused on building strong economies, the Putin government forces Russians to waste their lives in unnecessary wars that attract painful sanctions.

No Wonder you've refused to post Russian side of the story, you're being brainwashed by western media too, go and check Patrick Lancaster on YouTube to see live how Azov are killing Ukrainians and the millions of UKRAINIANS thanking Russia for liberating them ,this war started 8 years ago after the coup not today

Seun:

CNN and Fox News are lying. BBC of UK is lying. DW of Germany is lying. WION of India is lying. Wikipedia is lying. All European countries are lying. Canada is lying. Japan, South Korea, and all civilized democratic nations are lying. The only people telling the truth are the murderous dictator Vladimir Putin who said he wouldn't invade Ukraine and invaded them anyway, and the people he pays to lie on his behalf. Right?

CNN, Fox News, BBC, DW, etc are from countries in an alliance targeted at Russia. They're all mainstream media's of countries that kept expanding their alliance to Russia, undermining their securities. When one of these media's manufactured stories that Putin paid taliban to kill us troops in Afghanistan and also paid terrorists to kill us troops in Syria, all those media's you mentioned carried the obviously unverified news and made it accessible to all those who had access to their reports. It was only later that Some top USA officials later came out to say the news was just something they manufactured out of nowhere to make putin look bad. Do you think all those millions of people who read the fake reports from all those petty western media outlets who deliberately spammed the news everywhere despite its questionable authenticity, got to know that it was fallacy coined by shitheads from the west?
I can remember how NBC news claimed Trump signed a bill to increase stationery hardwares at us border with Mexico and Trump came out to ask NBC where they got the "source" because he doesn't recall signing anything like that. NBC was nowhere to be found to provide where on earth they got their source. Which is why Trump later went on to say that all American media outlets, Fox, CNN NBC, NYT, etc all, and I mean all, manufacture their sources out of thin air. The "Fake news" literally became the favorite phrase he used to describe these petty outlets.

Hahaha putin a murderous dictator? At least he doesn't hide under democracy to carry out his atrocities. Let me tell you a little secret. Obama invaded more countries that Putin has ever despite putin has been in office since 2001. Have you even read this: http://web.archive.org/web/20210727170921/https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/daniel-hale-drone-leak-sentence/2021/07/27/7bb46dd6-ee14-11eb-bf80-e3877d9c5f06_story.html take your time to.

The difference between Russian media and the free media in civilised countries is that free media is free to criticise the government. They are free to make fun of Joe Biden. They are free to call him a liar if he lies. Fox News channel is free to attack Joe Biden just as CNN was free to attack Donald Trump. But in Russia, China and other dictatorships, people can be arrested, tortured, jailed and killed for criticising the dictator. If what Russian mainstream media is saying is true, there is no law or force in the West that's stopping "western media" from reporting on those things. The reason why nobody takes Russian state media seriously is because they keep telling obvious lies, like saying that there's no war in Ukraine.

Let me first address the bolded. You claim people can criticize their govts in the west without being arrested? Well what happened to the protesters in Canada a few months ago? Oh yeah, they were all arrested and all the money they raised Confisticated by their own govt with Twitter banning the accounts they used to raise funds. Why? They protested against their own govt. If you aren't a black slave like most Youths in this country are, you should be asking Twitter why they supported the violent endsars protests in Nigeria but were quick to clamp down on protesters in Canada undermining their own govt. You should be asking why they deleted buharis post on their platform because it broke their "rule" but allowed people to call for the death of all Russian troops and politicians despite it also broke their rules. Dude, wake up! Sit up and ask...... Demand answers from amnesty international, UN, UK, USA on why they didn't all feel "Concerned" about the decisions of the Canadian govt to arrest and lock up all the protesters, undermining their freedom to protests.

The reason why nobody takes Russian state media seriously is because they keep telling obvious lies

Yes, the reason why people FROM THE WEST, please edit your comment to that. Seems youve even been brainwashed into thinking the west is the world the reason why PEOPLE FROM THE WEST don't take Russian reports serious is because they don't like the type of news that they report. The same can be said for the russians. The fact that you and people from the west keep cryiing that the Russian govt blocked the access of their citizens to their completely useless propaganda media outlets when clearly they were the first to ban all access to Russian ones, it goes to show that the Russian govt was right all along that these guys are supremacists who take others from subhumans.

Here is a Russian journalist who knows the truth. Listen to her:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iowx9WfrM0k

Truth about what? Govts do not care about truths. When USA invaded Iraq for her oil, though claiming they did because of intelligence that they had non existent WMDs, thousands of Americans spoke the truth. Yet these truths were brushed aside why their govt who claimed they were clearing Iran off terrorists and their supposedly WMD when in reality they were after their oil and gold.
Please take your time to read this thoroughly https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2000/mar/04/weekend7.weekend9
After reading, I would await your reply on this humble question.
American, and British leaders headed by Blair and Bush invaded Iraq, a sovereign nation on pretext of ridding them of their WMDs. Well it all happened to be lies coined by them to invade and have access to Iraqi gold and oil.
It's been reported that more than a million people died because of US and British invasion. Here comes my question. Did these so called truthful western media's tag Blair and Bush dictators, war criminals, and called fir his persecution as they are currently with Putin? Or (2), do you think US and coalitions invasion was actually better justified b that Russian invasion of Ukraine? Please answer these questions as quickly as possible

If the entire world says that the earth is round and they have videos and photos to prove it, and one person says that it's flat, who do you believe? If free media of the entire "West" has the same basic understanding of what's going on and Russia's own is different, Russia is lying.

You keep saying the entire world
I ask you again. Do you take the west for the entire world? Huh, do you?
If not, then give me reports from non US allies that give reports that are anti Russian, or similar to the ones we see from media's from NATO countries.

DerrickzB:
[s][/s]I wonder how some of you know the Russians aren’t happy with Putin when you haven’t gone to Russia and studies the people and how they live their lives, you haven’t carried out a survey on Russian soil, no study of their cultural heritage, you just talk out of your emotions bros… Try rest!!!

And you know Russians are happy etc because you have gone there etc, not so

Just to highlight a few from the source
https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2000/mar/04/weekend7.weekend9

A shepherd, his father, his four children and his sheep were killed by a British or American aircraft, which made two passes at them. I stood in the cemetery where the children are buried and their mother shouted, "I want to speak to the pilot who did this."

Britain and the United States are still bombing Iraq almost every day: it is the longest Anglo-American bombing campaign since the second world war, yet, with honourable exceptions, very little appears about it in the British media. Conducted under the cover of "no fly zones", which have no basis in international law, the aircraft, according to Tony Blair, are "performing vital humanitarian tasks".

To the bolder Mr Seun, I think this is the exact same thing you're accusing the Russian media's of. No?

Just before Christmas, the department of trade and industry in London blocked a shipment of vaccines meant to protect Iraqi children against diphtheria and yellow fever. Dr Kim Howells told parliament why. His title of under secretary of state for competition and consumer affairs, eminently suited his Orwellian reply. The children's vaccines were banned, he said, "because they are capable of being used in weapons of mass destruction". That his finger was on the trigger of a proven weapon of mass destruction - sanctions - seemed not to occur to him.

These are the "saints" that scream war criminals. If anyone should be screaming war crime, it should be everyone but westerners. Honestly

Drenimarcus:
mangekyoalt and co, don’t waste time on that guy. I thought he was open to learning what was really happening but alas, he is just one brainwashed fellow eating junks his masters feed him.

Now, I see why tribal sentiments are all over the forum and nothing is being done about it.

Im not gonna lie I'm disappointed I'm him. I mean, the replies he ditches out are enough to turn anyone off, aren't they?
At first look, you'll noticed he's just a fellow who doesn't know shit. He probably among those who rush to Google to find answers or make research when you say things that fly over their heads. I can bet he isn't even aware of the Cuban Missile crisis to see the decisions the USA were ready to take because Cuba aligned with the USSR, allowing them to install a few of their missiles in their sovereign territory. (what modern day Ukraine is trying to do). I can bet he isn't even aware of anything like operation Northwoods .... Or the bay of pigs , or the unjustified bombing of Laos by the "high democratic" USA, according to him, and the horrors their bombs still still brings to its inhabitants there . Laos literally is the most bombed country in the world despite being only a small country and despite being bombed by only one country. Heck bro, I can even bet that he doesn't know shit about WW1 or WW2 . Ask him if he's read any book and you'll get a quick "No". He only just started paying attention to geopolitics and international politics probably out of curiosity of what caused the current crisis. Worst of all, he's reading them from extremely biased sources, taking their words for the gospel and coming here to drop blunders. Well, like 90% of all Youths here, he's no different. Majority of his mods ranging from Lalasticlacla reason like him, with maybe Mynd44 being the sole exception. All in all, try educating all those you're able to and leave the rest to God

MangekyoAlt:
Just to highlight a few from the source
https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2000/mar/04/weekend7.weekend9
To the bolder Mr Seun, I think this is the exact same thing you're accusing the Russian media's of. No?
These are the "saints" that scream war criminals. If anyone should be screaming war crime, it should be everyone but westerners. Honestly

In case you haven't noticed, the article that exposed the issues that you are complaining about was written by the same "western media". There is no question that war crimes took place at Iraq under GW Bush & Cheney. The "western media" you cry about has exposed them.

Mangekyo: If believing the consensus of the free International press makes me stupid, then I'm proud to be stupid. There are billions of us.

i Get your point buh don't you think the western media could be cooking up stories

Seun:

In case you haven't noticed, the article that exposed the issues that you are complaining about was written by the same "western media". There is no question that war crimes took place at Iraq under GW Bush & Cheney. The "western media" you cry about has exposed them.

Mangekyo: If believing the consensus of the free International press makes me stupid, then I'm proud to be stupid. There are billions of us.

chronique:


Same thing I told him and the next thing he did was to ban me. Someone who has no tolerance for other people's opinions, trying to give lectures on issues he's clearly clueless about. The good thing about issues like this is that it helps us to guage people's intellect.

Loool!! I got banned too!! Like the ban just expired!! Wow, same seun that’s condemning Putin for being a dictator banned people who voiced their opinion and disagreed with him?? Lmaooo!! Na wa

if Buhari was like Putin, we won't even be able to post easily on Nairaland. DSS would be on here picking people up for attacking Buhari. buhari would also spend decades in power.

Seun:

In case you haven't noticed, the article that exposed the issues that you are complaining about was written by the same "western media". There is no question that war crimes took place at Iraq under GW Bush & Cheney. The "western media" you cry about has exposed them.

Mangekyo: If believing the consensus of the free International press makes me stupid, then I'm proud to be stupid. There are billions of us.

Yes, and I am not saying Russian invasion of Ukraine is VERY justified, or the forces didn't commit war crimes. But my point is, these things have been done by those who are criticizing and sanctioning Russia now into oblivion, times without number. Which is why almost all NON-US ally refuse to take sides since they're obviously hypocrites. I hate hypocrites. You will not invade countries for dumber reasons russia has, bombed millions to death, got away with it and then come back to scream when it is someone doing it. It makes you a bloody hypocrite. If those who're criticizing russia were to be, say Switzerland and other countries who've not really invaded others or commited war crimes, then I would rally around them and them and condemn russia. But since it's the biggest war crime perpetuators, the biggest sovereignty undermine, no thanks, I and along the billions in China, India , Asia, South America, Africa etc will NOT have a part in their nonsense.

I don't think you're stupid, or anything close. But thinking you can call putin a war criminal and call for his prosecution when the likes of Bush and Blair who committed far worse atrocities are busy enjoying their retirements after the millions they killed, is just something that I cannot fanthom. If you want to persecute, then start with those guys. Also, uss and Britain should be slapped with sanctions for their attricities and crimes again humanity in Iraq. This is the stance that china is taking. whenever China is called upon to condemn russia, they always point out to US incursions in countries like Serbia, where they even bombed their own embassy. They are like "where was the international community, and these Europeans who now suddenly care about human rights, when it was USA bombing and blowing up kids?. This is hypocrisy, and we will not participate in it".

BTW, let me also ask. Those who you refer to as "high democratic" are doing little to even encourage peace. Turkey, a NATO member even said some NATO countries want the war to go on fir as long as possible. I hope you don't imagine a scenario where russia would pull out on their own? If this crisis isn't going to be solved, diplomatically, then we can expect them to solve everything on the battlefield. You know what that means right? More destructions, deaths, war crimes.... One of the sad realities of war.
Too bad that those from the comfort of their bedrooms in Europe sympathize with zelensky but give him more weapons to "defend" being bombed against, advising him against diplomacy in other fir the war to go on as possible

Seun:
I feel that western leaders and media haven’t been disciplined enough to distinguish between Vladimir Putin and the people of Russia when they talk about the war in Ukraine and the economic sanctions the West responded with. Despite referring to the war as “Putin’s war” at various points, and occasionally pointing out that their enemy is Putin, rather than the Russian people who are also victims of the Putin regime, many of their statements fail to make the distinction.

Making the distinction is very important because the people of Russia are potential allies in the fight against the Putin regime in Russia. They are the only ones who can end the Putin regime without the risk of being nuked. The west has to make it clear that the sanctions are meant to punish and weaken the Putin regime. It must be made clear that if the Russian people can replace the Putin regime with a more peaceful government, their economic hardships will end. The sanctions will end.

The people of Russia are victims of Vladimir Putin too. He stole their country which was on the path to democracy and now he’s sacrificing the lives of their sons to steal another country. He imprisons, tortures and kills Russians who dare to speak against him. He uses state-owned media to brainwash them. While other countries are focused on building strong economies, the Putin government forces Russians to waste their lives in unnecessary wars that attract painful sanctions.

Before you make hasty statements!!

DerrickzB:
Before you make hasty statements!!

Just days ago, two Russian oligarchs - one in Spain and one in Russia, were brutally killed along with their wives and children. If you were living under the dictator who is ordered those killings and many others, and a stranger called you up.to ask you whether or not you support the dictator, what would you say? You would either decline to comment or say that you support him. So in addition to being brainwashed and misinformed, Russians are afraid to criticise their government.

Not to mention the fact that Putin has made himself the only option by neutralising every person who is getting popular by having them poisoned, brutally murdered, or arrested, tortured, and jailed. The people of Russia kind of have to be satisfied with Putin because there's no alternative. All the alternatives have been removed before they gained sufficient momentum.

Seun:

Just days ago, two Russian oligarchs - one in Spain and one in Russia, were brutally killed along with their wives and children. If you were living under the dictator who is ordered those killings and many others, and a stranger called you up.to ask you whether or not you support the dictator, what would you say? You would either decline to comment or say that you support him. So in addition to being brainwashed and misinformed, Russians are afraid to criticise their government.

Not to mention the fact that Putin has made himself the only option by neutralising every person who is getting popular by having them poisoned, brutally murdered, or arrested, tortured, and jailed. The people of Russia kind of have to be satisfied with Putin because there's no alternative. All the alternatives have been removed before they gained sufficient momentum.

Stop talking like this, you're openly displaying ignorance and commenting with emotion...
Do you have evidence that Putin killed them? I'm tired of western media trying to blame Putin for their death through their choice of words in reporting.

You keep shouting democratic world when all we see is dictatorship..
Is it France?
Uk?
USA?
Just mention any, just like pot calling kettle black.

Seun:

Just days ago, two Russian oligarchs - one in Spain and one in Russia, were brutally killed along with their wives and children. If you were living under the dictator who is ordered those killings and many others, and a stranger called you up.to ask you whether or not you support the dictator, what would you say? You would either decline to comment or say that you support him. So in addition to being brainwashed and misinformed, Russians are afraid to criticise their government.

Not to mention the fact that Putin has made himself the only option by neutralising every person who is getting popular by having them poisoned, brutally murdered, or arrested, tortured, and jailed. The people of Russia kind of have to be satisfied with Putin because there's no alternative. All the alternatives have been removed before they gained sufficient momentum.

I never understand why people will prefer news emanating from a country with poor press freedom than from those where it is a right.

Seun:

I've read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas; I can't find any reference to your claim about Azov killing Russian speaking people.


Vladimir Putin only strives to protect the interests and security of Vladimir Putin. When he was picked by Boris Yeltsin, he used his secret service to bomb apartment buildings within Russia, killing hundreds of Russians, and blamed the Chechens for it so he could start a war against them. His success in this war boosted his popularity and allowed him to remain in power. He repeats this cynical gimmick every couple of years.


We've been hearing about this alleged agreement between NATO and Russia. Can you provide a source and the full text of the agreement?

Thank you. I’ve been asking for this signed agreement too.

Seun:
I feel that western leaders and media haven’t been disciplined enough to distinguish between Vladimir Putin and the people of Russia when they talk about the war in Ukraine and the economic sanctions the West responded with. Despite referring to the war as “Putin’s war” at various points, and occasionally pointing out that their enemy is Putin, rather than the Russian people who are also victims of the Putin regime, many of their statements fail to make the distinction.

Making the distinction is very important because the people of Russia are potential allies in the fight against the Putin regime in Russia. They are the only ones who can end the Putin regime without the risk of being nuked. The west has to make it clear that the sanctions are meant to punish and weaken the Putin regime. It must be made clear that if the Russian people can replace the Putin regime with a more peaceful government, their economic hardships will end. The sanctions will end.

The people of Russia are victims of Vladimir Putin too. He stole their country which was on the path to democracy and now he’s sacrificing the lives of their sons to steal another country. He imprisons, tortures and kills Russians who dare to speak against him. He uses state-owned media to brainwash them. While other countries are focused on building strong economies, the Putin government forces Russians to waste their lives in unnecessary wars that attract painful sanctions.

Very foolish take. But what should I expect?

KaluwisxPRO:
Seun your tribesmen will disagree with you.

They don’t know what freedom is because they’re feeding from the free gifts of oil on a platter from the ND people due to the forced marriage of unity.

Unless yiu define what freedom means in nigerian context, i wouldn't say anything anymore. So, democracy in most country in the world are definitely democratic. Don't dool urself usa is autocratic and not in anyway democratic. Why must you impose ur culture over my? UK has a queen, why can't she abolish the system and embrace that of usa that doesn't use a queen. Every country with her own systems. Perhaps, whu made the USA the police of the world?

fkj950ax:


So Nigeria can invade Togo, Benin and Sierria Leone because people there speak yoruba if they are being killed?
Donbas is not the start or reason for the war. If the Donbas people are so Russian, then why not just move to Russia?
Putin had no right and still has no right to invade another country. He is an aggressor.
He is mentally stuck in the glory days of USSR and wants to bring back the soviet days, which is not possible. He is going to create another Libya or Syria when someone in his inner circle or military decides to off him, because that's the way this is going.
It's becoming a bigger despot or instability in Russia.

So putin doesn't have the right to invade another sovereign state but America and her allies have. Stop being myopic. It really pain me when an African man says this. Gaddafi killings is justifies according to you.

babyboy4every1:

So putin doesn't have the right to invade another sovereign state but America and her allies have. Stop being myopic. It really pain me when an African man says this. Gaddafi killings is justifies according to you.

I don't know if I am to respond to the lack of your understanding of my comment, or ask you to explain what you wrote again.
You need to focus a lot on your reading and writing skills. This is why they force Nigerians to write IELTS.
You also know better as an African who has home training not to abuse people or call them names.

fkj950ax:


I don't know if I am to respond to the lack of your understanding of my comment, or ask you to explain what you wrote again.
You need to focus a lot on your reading and writing skills. This is why they force Nigerians to write IELTS.
You also know better as an African who has home training not to abuse people or call them names.

You should answer his question insteading beating around the bush...
Ignorant mofo forming sophisticated..