What is Germany up to? Germany first help Ukraine by donating helmets and now 40 million dollars. This is serious

Of course, Europe and America will surely rebuild Ukraine after the war

God1000:
Of course, Europe and America will surely rebuild Ukraine after the war

Is zelensky demanding for reconstruction?

Germany might just be making jest of the comedian president. How much is $ 40 million? It is simply a joke

Nothing is too small, nothing is too big.
All those urgent 2k people understand that line.

Zelensky said the war already cost Ukraine 550 billion dollars and all Germany could offer is 40m dollars
I don talk am, west won't rebuild ukraine

tamdun:
Zelensky said the war already cost Ukraine 550 billion dollars and all Germany could offer is 40m dollars
I don talk am, west won't rebuild ukraine

This is Germany though, not the West. Just like Germany, many other nations have either assisted or pledged to assist the country, some contributions are more than that of Germany. It says the donation is for reconstruction but the question of who will eventually rebuild Ukraine is not yet on the table cause the war is still ongoing and stopping it is the priority. When it's time to rebuild Ukraine, no sane person would expect the West to do that from their reserves (at least, not the entire amount). The expectation is rather something similar to what happened after Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990. Russian assets seized/frozen by the West are definitely going to play a great role in that. The question is, to what extent? I mean, it's very unlikely that the West would just free all Russian assets and pretend the war never happened, don't you think?

WoundedLamb:


This is Germany though, not the West. Just like Germany, many other nations have either assisted or pledged to assist the country, some contributions are more than that of Germany. It says the donation is for reconstruction but the question of who will eventually rebuild Ukraine is not yet on the table cause the war is still ongoing and stopping it is the priority. When it's time to rebuild Ukraine, no sane person would expect the West to do that from their reserves (at least, not the entire amount). The expectation is rather something similar to what happened after Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990. Russian assets seized/frozen by the West are definitely going to play a great role in that. The question is, to what extent? I mean, it's very unlikely that the West would just free all Russian assets and pretend the war never happened, don't you think?

Except Russia lost the war, Russia won't pay a dime by being forced into it.

WFT
Ukraine government need €6B every month to function.
Germany already paying for gas and oil from Germany to Ukraine via Poland which is even Russia gas and oil.
Germany want her citizens to work like Engine, that’s why Germany is funding EU and paying billions every year many parasites EU members from Baltic states, Hungary, Romania and Balkan states.
Reason France will never accept another parasite called Ukraine

WoundedLamb:


This is Germany though, not the West. Just like Germany, many other nations have either assisted or pledged to assist the country, some contributions are more than that of Germany. It says the donation is for reconstruction but the question of who will eventually rebuild Ukraine is not yet on the table cause the war is still ongoing and stopping it is the priority. When it's time to rebuild Ukraine, no sane person would expect the West to do that from their reserves (at least, not the entire amount). The expectation is rather something similar to what happened after Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990. Russian assets seized/frozen by the West are definitely going to play a great role in that. The question is, to what extent? I mean, it's very unlikely that the West would just free all Russian assets and pretend the war never happened, don't you think?

They can't use Russian federation assets (especially it's foreign reserved) seized to rebuild Ukraine. They seized assets will be needed for bargaining in the future.

You don't burn bridges they you will eventually need in future. Some Western politicians have mentioned it. But it was down played.

Nobody send Una war.... So manage what ever any willing country is willing to give

Owopariola01:


Except Russia lost the war, Russia won't pay a dime by being forced into it.

The assets are already seized at the moment. It's now a question of, what will the West do with it? Give it all back or give some of it to Ukraine? Tike will tell.

olugabbie:


They can't use Russian federation assets (especially it's foreign reserved) seized to rebuild Ukraine. They seized assets will be needed for bargaining in the future.

You don't burn bridges they you will eventually need in future. Some Western politicians have mentioned it. But it was down played.

That's why I said, to what extent? What I know for sure is that some of those assets will definitely go into aiding Ukraine either directly or indirectly. Here is what I mean, some of these assets make profits even while they're under the control of the West pending the outcome of the war and any follow-up negotiations like you said. When such assets worth hundreds of billions appreciate in value, the profit is always tangible. Therefore, the key element here is the time between the seizure and the release of these assets (a year is like day in international relations). That's exactly how finance works. Time is everything. Like I said, the West will try to aid Ukraine and they will not do it all from thier pockets.

WoundedLamb:


That's why I said, to what extent? What I know for sure is that some of those assets will definitely go into aiding Ukraine either directly or indirectly. Here is what I mean, some of these assets make profits even while they're under the control of the West pending the outcome of the war and any follow-up negotiations like you said. When such assets worth hundreds of billions appreciate in value, the profit is always tangible. Therefore, the key element here is the time between the seizure and the release of these assets (a year is like day in international relations). That's exactly how finance works. Time is everything. Like I said, the West will try to aid Ukraine and they will not do it all from thier pockets.

Ok

WoundedLamb:


It says the donation is for reconstruction but the question of who will eventually rebuild Ukraine is not yet on the table cause the war is still ongoing and stopping it is the priority. When it's time to rebuild Ukraine, no sane person would expect the West to do that from their reserves (at least, not the entire amount). The expectation is rather something similar to what happened after Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990. Russian assets seized/frozen by the West are definitely going to play a great role in that.

The question is, to what extent? I mean, it's very unlikely that the West would just free all Russian assets and pretend the war never happened, don't you think?

Tells you that Ukraine was foolish. Germany is the biggest economy in Europe and all it could promise is $40m? Are you expecting money from Hungary, Poland, Latvia, etc? How much will the likes of Italy and France contribute? At most the US would loan them a few billions in exchange for exclusive trade deals. Their best bet is on loans promised by the IMF already.


To the fallacy of using the frozen reserve assets of Russia to fund it, either in part or whole is a tall dream because Russia will not be the losing side militarily. Do you also realize that more than 600 western multinational companies either pulled out or suspended operations in Russia? Do you realize that the Russian government in tit for tat put a retaliatory freeze on the fixed and liquid assets too? Meaning the highest a foreign body could pull was limited to $10000. Do you know the collective value of over 600 multinational coys, invested in all sectors of the Russian economy from oil, gas, steel, aviation, food, commerce, auto, banking, clothing etc. The only sector you won’t find western coys is defense! We are looking at a collective value of more than $1trillion compared to $300b, which Russia can easily nationalize if they dare.

If you also feel Russia will not because it is against the laws protecting FDI(foreign direct investment), you should also know that the unilateral seizure of foreign reserves of a sovereign nation is illegal under international law and makes other nations think twice before putting their reserves there too. Now you see so many countries currently diversifying their foreign reserves including US ally isreal.

This is the simple reason why the US and its western allies have never for once contemplated that option, even though the Ukrainians have muted it severally. It’s a checkmate.

Well Europe has already promised to make the funds available for the rebuild. Russia is not Venezuela.

skoskosko:


Tells you that Ukraine was foolish. Germany is the biggest economy in Europe and all it could promise is $40m? Are you expecting money from Hungary, Poland, Latvia, etc? How much will the likes of Italy and France contribute? At most the US would loan them a few billions in exchange for exclusive trade deals. Their best bet is on loans promised by the IMF already.


To the fallacy of using the frozen reserve assets of Russia to fund it, either in part or whole is a tall dream because Russia will not be the losing side militarily. Do you also realize that more than 600 western multinational companies either pulled out or suspended operations in Russia? Do you realize that the Russian government in tit for tat put a retaliatory freeze on the fixed and liquid assets too? Meaning the highest a foreign body could pull was limited to $10000. Do you know the collective value of over 600 multinational coys, invested in all sectors of the Russian economy from oil, gas, steel, aviation, food, commerce, auto, banking, clothing etc. The only sector you won’t find western coys is defense! We are looking at a collective value of more than $1trillion compared to $300b, which Russia can easily nationalize if they dare.

If you also feel Russia will not because it is against the laws protecting FDI(foreign direct investment), you should also know that the unilateral seizure of foreign reserves of a sovereign nation is illegal under international law and makes other nations think twice before putting their reserves there too. Now you see so many countries currently diversifying their foreign reserves including US ally isreal.

This is the simple reason why the US and its western allies have never for once contemplated that option, even though the Ukrainians have muted it severally. It’s a checkmate.

Well Europe has already promised to make the funds available for the rebuild. Russia is not Venezuela.

Just like many other wars in the past, the legal battle starts after the military one. Until then, all we can do is speculate or argue. Unfortunately, arguments about the future are more opinionated than factual, and I don't really engage in those cause it leads nowhere. One thing we know for certain is that the West protects the West. No other part of the world has thier kind of alliance. And they'll make bold steps to rebuild Ukraine. Russian assets will play a role in that in one way or the use.

To answer more clearly, here is my response to the other guy that quoted me:

WoundedLamb:


That's why I said, to what extent? What I know for sure is that some of those assets will definitely go into aiding Ukraine either directly or indirectly. Here is what I mean, some of these assets make profits even while they're under the control of the West pending the outcome of the war and any follow-up negotiations like you said. When such assets worth hundreds of billions appreciate in value, the profit is always tangible. Therefore, the key element here is the time between the seizure and the release of these assets (a year is like day in international relations). That's exactly how finance works. Time is everything. Like I said, the West will try to aid Ukraine and they will not do it all from thier pockets.

Russian assets will go back to Russia but when? How long will the legal battle go on? What happens to the value of the assets within that period. It's all a game of finance and it hasn't even started.

WoundedLamb:


Just like many other wars in the past, the legal battle starts after the military one. Until then, all we can do is speculate or argue. Unfortunately, arguments about the future are more opinionated than factual, and I don't really engage in those cause it leads nowhere. One thing we know for certain is that the West protects the West. No other part of the world has thier kind of alliance. And they'll make bold steps to rebuild Ukraine. Russian assets will play a role in that in one way or the use.

To answer more clearly, here is my response to the other guy that quoted me:


Russian assets will go back to Russia but when? How long will the legal battle go on? What happens to the value of the assets within that period. It's all a game of finance and it hasn't even started.

Like I responded and detailed out, it is your personal opinion and wish, because there would never be an extent. I illustrated why. Someone can not seize your #50 when you have his #500 with you. Secondly, there is what we call precedence, Legally speaking, has the US rebuilt all the nations it invaded? So on what moral justification will it stand? They know too well what will happen to their, if they do so, reason IMF and the EU has agreed to foot the rebuild. What has alliance got to do with your money with me? How has their collective sanctions fared? The world is not made up of the US, UK, Canada, Australia and Western Europe. Just China and India is 2.7b people. Russia has made clear that western cooperations would have their assets frozen until theirs are unfrozen.

You claim, you don’t engage in arguments about the future, but find it hard to accept the fact that Europe and IMF has agreed to fund the rebuild because it would be cheaper than allowing Russia nationalize assets, something easily verifiable. This is so because you are simply not happy about it.

skoskosko:


Like I responded and detailed out, it is your personal opinion and wish, because there would never be an extent. I illustrated why. Someone can not seize your #50 when you have his #500 with you. Secondly, there is what we call precedence, Legally speaking, has the US rebuilt all the nations it invaded? So on what moral justification will it stand? They know too well what will happen to their, if they do so, reason IMF and the EU has agreed to foot the rebuild. What has alliance got to do with your money with me? How has their collective sanctions fared? The world is not made up of the US, UK, Canada, Australia and Western Europe. Just China and India is 2.7b people. Russia has made clear that western cooperations would have their assets frozen until theirs are unfrozen.

You claim, you don’t engage in arguments about the future, but find it hard to accept the fact that Europe and IMF has agreed to fund the rebuild because it would be cheaper than allowing Russia nationalize assets, something easily verifiable. This is so because you are simply not happy about it.

Like I said, such arguments lead to nowhere. Time will tell.

WoundedLamb:


Like I said, such arguments lead to nowhere. Time will tell.

Exactly, the only thing was that you didn’t have any proof, just wishful speculations, but I did. Below is more from Russia. They can’t move their investments out, nor sell it. So no need speculating.

how are you critical of Russia as if your USA bush and Obama and UK dropped caddies over Baghdad... Iraq and Afghanistan and Libya etc

Biodun556:
What is Germany up to? Germany first help Ukraine by donating helmets and now 40 million dollars. This is serious

God1000:
Of course, Europe and America will surely rebuild Ukraine after the war

That is because they are going to make a lot of money from the weapons sold to Russia to defeat them.

BloomingDale:




That is because they are going to make a lot of money from the weapons sold to Russia to defeat them.

Putin needs to be taught a lesson

God1000:
Putin needs to be taught a lesson

Maybe after Ukraine has been defeated by weapons sent to Russia from France and Germany.

BloomingDale:


Maybe after Ukraine has been defeated by weapons sent to Russia from France and Germany.

which weapons did France and Germany send to Russia?

olugabbie:


They can't use Russian federation assets (especially it's foreign reserved) seized to rebuild Ukraine. They seized assets will be needed for bargaining in the future.

You don't burn bridges they you will eventually need in future. Some Western politicians have mentioned it. But it was down played.

Russian asset is not seized it was frozen hope u know d different. No body can seize Russian reserve

God1000:
which weapons did France and Germany send to Russia?

Military dildos to fukc them in the ass.

WoundedLamb:


The assets are already seized at the moment. It's now a question of, what will the West do with it? Give it all back or give some of it to Ukraine? Tike will tell.

If u pple dnt know anything just shut up..... Russian was not seized no country can do DAT. It was only frozen so that they cannot use it To fund d war

Alamkir:


If u pple dnt know anything just shut up..... Russian was not seized no country can do DAT. It was only frozen so that they cannot use it To fund d war

Lol... It's not seized, it's frozen. This is supposed to affect my post in what way? Sir, the difference is in semantics and even within the legal framework, the plausible difference does not have any bearing on the premise of my submission. The assets are not available to Russia at the moment and there's not telling when they'll be or what becomes of them. The West wouldn't go freezing assets with the mantra "we want to use them to aid Ukraine". But how and when Russia gets these assets will be determined by how and when this war ends. It wouldn't be very smart to think that Russia will invade Ukraine, take the two regions under consideration and peacefully walk away with all thier assets. That's not how negotiations work. That's not wars work. Compromises must be made and while none of us know for sure what those compromises would be, one thing is clear, these assets are on the table. Every other thing is speculations.

BloomingDale:


Military dildos to fukc them in the ass.

lol, you are funny babe

Alamkir:


If u pple dnt know anything just shut up..... Russian was not seized no country can do DAT. It was only frozen so that they cannot use it To fund d war

Lol, you cannot educate that person, he is simply not happy. Unfortunately for him, his mood has no bearing in international politics. He failed to realize there would be tit for tat. He also failed to realize western assets have also been frozen in Russia as well. So what will happen to it too?