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Nozino:
You were working a comfortable job and wasn’t sure about applying for Express entry but you paid for, wrote and passed IELTS, did Credential evaluation, entered the Poll etc but you still weren’t sure.

Ok na. Go on.

People like you are so confined in a state of incertitude that it's almost impossible for you to think out of the box. This is not an Express Entry thread, do you expect the OP to list all those.? Since he said he did Express entry, the smart ones already know he wrote ielts, did ECA and all that.

Afolavid:
People like you are so confined in a state of incertitude that it's almost impossible for you to think out of the box. This is not an Express Entry thread, do you expect the OP to list all those.? Since he said he did Express entry, the smart ones already know he wrote ielts, did ECA and all that.

All this because you want to lick ass? The part I have issues with is saying he wasn’t sure. Like it’s not something he planned for and worked towards. Keep on licking ass. Ask people that have gone through the process. PR via EE don’t just happen. It takes years of planning.

Nozino:
All this because you want to lick ass? The part I have issues with is saying he wasn’t sure. Like it’s not something he planned for and worked towards. Keep on licking ass. Ask people that have gone through the process. PR via EE don’t just happen. It takes years of planning.

Lol, but if I had dumbly reasoned with you the way you did, it won't be ass licking abi.? I understand you. It's not really your fault, Nigeria has f*cked you up. FYI, many people have went through the EE process with a lot of smoothness n comfortability that they don't understand the pain of those whose timeline took over 2 years, some started the process and got PR within 3 months, that's how easy it was for them. Next!

Afolavid:
Lol, but if I had dumbly reasoned with you the way you did, it won't be ass licking abi.? I understand you. It's not really your fault, Nigeria has f*cked you up. FYI, many people have went through the EE process with a lot of smoothness n comfortability that they don't understand the pain of those whose timeline took over 2 years, some started the process and got PR within 3 months, that's how easy it was for them. Next!

You’re still dumb irrespective of who you agree with. In your very small mind, there are people who do ECA, write IELTS, get into the Poll, get PR within 3months? This says a lot about how delusional you’re are. If Nigeria has fvcked anybody up, it’s you. Your desperation is literally everywhere. Asslicking people whilst hoping to get into Canada. You’re broke and poor in Nigeria, getting into Canada won’t change much for you.

Afolavid:
Lol, but if I had dumbly reasoned with you the way you did, it won't be ass licking abi.? I understand you. It's not really your fault, Nigeria has f*cked you up. FYI, many people have went through the EE process with a lot of smoothness n comfortability that they don't understand the pain of those whose timeline took over 2 years, some started the process and got PR within 3 months, that's how easy it was for them. Next!

You’ve been on the EE thread since early 2021, are you still undecided about moving? Why didn’t you get your PR in 3months? Frustration dn really knack you. I understand your pains now.

Nozino:
You’re still dumb irrespective of who you agree with. In your very small mind, there are people who do ECA, write IELTS, get into the Poll, get PR within 3months? This says a lot about how delusional you’re are. If Nigeria has fvcked anybody up, it’s you. Your desperation is literally everywhere. Asslicking people whilst hoping to get into Canada. You’re broke and poor in Nigeria, getting into Canada won’t change much for you.

There's no point in dragging with you, a quick visit to the previous EE thread will show you timelines of those who got PR within 3 months some years back, pre-covid. This is one of them - https://www.nairaland.com/3948393/canadian-student-visa-thread-part/334#62268915 I have a close friend whose EE journey also took exactly 3 months, no point sharing such with a pessimist like you.

If you find it hard to believe a straightforward story like that of OP, which one would you believe? Lol, I make 7 figures every month in Nigeria. Not everyone is relocating because of money, some of us just want a safe country that works, without people filled with negativities like you.

Nozino:
You’ve been on the EE thread since early 2021, are you still undecided about moving? Why didn’t you get your PR in 3months? Frustration dn really knack you. I understand your pains now.

This account was opened in July 2021, how's that since early 2021 even if we're to assume I've been on the EE thread the day i opened this account.? July is the other half of the year. You see how f*cked up your brain is. Your frustrations and negativities is still yours, learn to deal with them yourself.

Afolavid:
This account was opened in July 2021, how's that since early 2021 even if we're to assume I've been on the EE thread the day i opened this account.? July is the other half of the year. You see how f*cked up your brain is. Your frustrations and negativities is still yours, learn to deal with them yourself.

Account opened specifically to migrate because you are frustrated. You’re so frustrated you got an illegal ND through “waivers”.

Maybe you should go through NBET course requirement and see if a Bsc has exactly the same course requirement as an ND. I’m sure you’re going to make it look legal, try going to a public polytechnic and “transferring” credits from a Bachelors degree to ND let’s see how that’s possible.

If not that you’re a criminal, how can ALL your credit transfer and you didn’t have to do anything else, not even a thesis but you got a Diploma.

Desperation to travel will be the end of you.

Nozino:
Account opened specifically to migrate because you are frustrated. You’re so frustrated you got an illegal ND through “waivers”.

Maybe you should go through NBET course requirement and see if a Bsc has exactly the same course requirement as an ND. I’m sure you’re going to make it look legal, try going to a public polytechnic and “transferring” credits from a Bachelors degree to ND let’s see how that’s possible.

If not that you’re a criminal, how can ALL your credit transfer and you didn’t have to do anything else, not even a thesis but you got a Diploma.

Desperation to travel will be the end of you.

Now, I feel so disappointed in myself, I've been trying to make a Corper who earns around 40k a month in Nigeria see things the same way I see them. Now I understand why you don't believe the OP's story. Truly, It's impossible for some set of people who earns poorly to believe other people make millions of naira monthly. Sooner or later, with the right attitude, you'll get there. Wish you all the best in life.

Afolavid:
There's no point in dragging with you, a quick visit to the previous EE thread will show you timelines of those who got PR within 3 months some years back, pre-covid. This is one of them - https://www.nairaland.com/3948393/canadian-student-visa-thread-part/334#62268915 I have a close friend whose EE journey also took exactly 3 months, no point sharing such with a pessimist like you.

If you find it hard to believe a straightforward story like that of OP, which one would you believe? Lol, I make 7 figures every month in Nigeria. Not everyone is relocating because of money, some of us just want a safe country that works, without people filled with negativities like you.

Do it in 3months. I’m not after that guy, this guy, the other guy.


Besides, it seems comprehension is a problem for you. Ask your friend if the timeline from WES/ECA to PPR was 3months.

Afolavid:
Now, I feel so disappointed in myself, I've been trying to make a Corper who earns around 40k a month in Nigeria see things the same way I see them. Now I understand why you don't believe the OP's story. Truly, It's impossible for some set of people who earns poorly to believe other people make millions of naira monthly. Sooner or later, with the right attitude, you'll get there. Wish you all the best in life.

If you know I’m a corp member, you should know that my current accommodation is 650. If you multiply my Alawee by 12, does it give that amount?

650k is just my rent here. I still have a place In my home state. I’m sorry if at my age, you were (you still are) broke and doing mummy thank you.


Address the fake ND issue.

Afolavid:
Now, I feel so disappointed in myself, I've been trying to make a Corper who earns around 40k a month in Nigeria see things the same way I see them. Now I understand why you don't believe the OP's story. Truly, It's impossible for some set of people who earns poorly to believe other people make millions of naira monthly. Sooner or later, with the right attitude, you'll get there. Wish you all the best in life.

U get time for trolls o.
Abeg ignore and face the thread.

This journey took 1.5 years, but I think it was worth it. But I’m not at my destination yet. This push will continue until I’m at a point where I can look back and have less to worry about. For now, I’m still looking over my shoulders even though I’m in a very good earning bracket.
Let me tell you what I believe worked for me, as per my own perceptions o!
- Going back to get a master’s degree. It’s like magic. First, I wasn’t getting the interview invites, but once I completed and added that master’s degree, I only needed to send out like 20 applications to get like 10 invites. Was getting >=50% success rate with job applications. There were still rejections, but the number of interview invites increased considerably. This may also be because it was computer science or UofT. Can’t really say.
- I had a lot of money saved, so I didn’t have to work too hard and could focus on the most important things, e.g. schooling, leetcoding, part-time doordashing, etc.
- I minimized contacts with friends and closed off linkedin. Abeg, I no wan see anything wey go demoralize my spirit as I worked hard at my objectives. I just wanted to do my own thing.
- One babe was disturbing me from Naija. But I zoned off and eliminated that distraction
- I had an objective before coming into Canada and while in Canada. That objective was to go back to school. It started with a certificate program and culminated in a computer science masters. I wasn’t poking everywhere trying my luck at several things. I had a goal and worked towards that goal.
If somebody finds this useful and think it may help them make a decision, then I’m happy. If you are in my kind of situation and you think this may help you make a decision and you need proof this is not a fairytale, buzz me. Receipt full ground. I have payslips, offer letters, etc. Don’t worry, we will work something out. But I will also ask for proof of your own backstory. Otherwise, believe the story at your own risk. I don’t really care. What I am not going to do is open my life to someone who just wants to satisfy their curiosity. Save yourself the trouble, don’t believe the story. But if you are in my kind of situation and are considering your options while in Nigeria, please reach out to me if you want someone to talk to. I will show you the proof you need and help you in your decision-making process. I do this because I wish I had someone who could do this for me while I was making my own decision.
An additional advice to those who may be in this situation is that you can never know until you try. That’s true. Until you try or make an effort, you can never know the result. Don’t just sit there and say “it won’t work”. Really? Have you actually tried? But if you are doubting your capacity or intelligence, better to stay put where you are.
I’ll be the last to say this is a good formula for anyone else who is in the situation I was and who wants to make a decision. This is no formula. It may not work for you. But this is someone’s experience and it is an experience nonetheless. Use it as you will.

(To be continued)

mousery:
(To be continued)

sir
how were you able to study computer science for masters without having a CS Bsc degree, did you applied for pre degree??
and what do you study for BSC??
I was doing some research about this same university post degree programs and I was just confused
I will appreciate your response sir

According to OP (as per his story), it was a cert b4 a MSc
Some schools have Graduate Certificate, PG Diploma, Masters, then PhD.
However, not not school allows one to transfer (course) credit from cert or Dip to Masters.

mousery:
My immigration story

I had enrolled in a certificate program at the country’s leading higher institution of learning, the University of Toronto. But even I knew that this was just a certificate.
... ...
Stroke of luck! University of Toronto offered me the master’s degree in one of their top departments, computer science. Omo, that was good news for me
... ...
(To be continued)

Ajibade123:
sir
how were you able to study computer science for masters without having a CS Bsc degree, did you applied for pre degree??
and what do you study for BSC??
I was doing some research about this same university post degree programs and I was just confused
I will appreciate your response sir

mousery:
(To be continued)

I just sent you a message now. Thanks for the willingness to help.

I feel like I learnt a lot going through this and because of that I’m very open to sharing my experience and my strategy. If you have questions on the following, feel free to post here and I’ll try answer
- Applying for masters in UofT for STEM students, preferably computer science or anything related. Studying at UofT.
- Questions related to coding and maths or translating maths into code, e.g writing a least squares problem in Python or writing SVM from scratch
- Leetcoding

For Tech people, the difference between working here and working in Nigeria is that you are at the forefront of new developments here and if you do not subscribe to mediocrity, you will get all the challenge to continually improve yourself here. The competition is really high and if you don’t want to fall hand and you move with the competition, it is a steady rise towards being a true professional. Forget what you may be earning in Nigeria, if you haven’t worked in the middle of these guys here in Canada or the US, you haven’t really worked anything and will continue to be second-rate. The additional thing is that they don’t really discriminate largely between you and people from other countries or races. Yes, there is still racism in a way, but the majority company will not discriminate against you. You will get the same salary if you perform as well. That salary can be really high for some specific job functions. When I was in Nigeria I worked with some expatriates in my job role. These were expatriates who sometimes came to fix things Nigerians couldn’t fix, mainly because it’s new technology and we weren’t there yet. These expatriates were always treated differently. Different hotel, different bus, different pay rate, etc. Very bad way employers can sometimes discriminate among their own employees even in very top multinationals. You will see absolutely none of that here. This is a place where you can say the sky is your limit and it is true.
As someone who thrives a lot in a competitive space, this feels like home. I liked working in Nigeria, but I always felt held back by people’s pettiness and extraneous demands. Here, you can shut yourself indoor, work a tech position remotely all your life, not utter a word to anyone in the company, and nobody will judge you. Just be good at your job. And since I have no desire to aspire to management position, this is the ideal environment for me and I love it

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semmyk:
According to OP (as per his story), it was a cert b4 a MSc
Some schools have Graduate Certificate, PG Diploma, Masters, then PhD.
However, not not school allows one to transfer (course) credit from cert or Dip to Masters.

Correct. UofT does not allow transferring credit from a cert prog to a masters. The two institutions offering these certificates are different. I applied separately for the masters independent of the cert program

olioxx:
Let me invite in my fellow japanarians.


mousery please if you dont mind, can you tell us the job you were doing while in Nigeria. Then please post as much relevant information before the derailer gang flood this space.

I was at the intersection of networking, scripting and devops. But no core programming.

mousery:
I was at the intersection of networking, scripting and devops. But no core programming.

sorry sir what did you study for bsc here in Nigeria

Ajibade123:
sorry sir what did you study for bsc here in Nigeria

mechanical engineering. 'Sir' is a little too much

mousery:
mechanical engineering. 'Sir' is a little too much

Good evening sir, I sent a dm earlier today. I'll really like to talk.

mentro:
Good evening sir, I sent a dm earlier today. I'll really like to talk.

I replied you

Afolavid:
Lol, but if I had dumbly reasoned with you the way you did, it won't be ass licking abi.? I understand you. It's not really your fault, Nigeria has f*cked you up. FYI, many people have went through the EE process with a lot of smoothness n comfortability that they don't understand the pain of those whose timeline took over 2 years, some started the process and got PR within 3 months, that's how easy it was for them. Next!

Stop replying that guy. He is a derailer. He is here to derail the thread. Ignore!!!

mousery:
I replied you

I found it in my spam. I sent a message already. ThanK You.

mousery:
I replied you

Found your response in my spam. Thank you.

mousery:
I feel like I learnt a lot going through this and because of that I’m very open to sharing my experience and my strategy. If you have questions on the following, feel free to post here and I’ll try answer
- Applying for masters in UofT for STEM students, preferably computer science or anything related. Studying at UofT.
- Questions related to coding and maths or translating maths into code, e.g writing a least squares problem in Python or writing SVM from scratch
- Leetcoding

For Tech people, the difference between working here and working in Nigeria is that you are at the forefront of new developments here and if you do not subscribe to mediocrity, you will get all the challenge to continually improve yourself here. The competition is really high and if you don’t want to fall hand and you move with the competition, it is a steady rise towards being a true professional. Forget what you may be earning in Nigeria, if you haven’t worked in the middle of these guys here in Canada or the US, you haven’t really worked anything and will continue to be second-rate. The additional thing is that they don’t really discriminate largely between you and people from other countries or races. Yes, there is still racism in a way, but the majority company will not discriminate against you. You will get the same salary if you perform as well. That salary can be really high for some specific job functions. When I was in Nigeria I worked with some expatriates in my job role. These were expatriates who sometimes came to fix things Nigerians couldn’t fix, mainly because it’s new technology and we weren’t there yet. These expatriates were always treated differently. Different hotel, different bus, different pay rate, etc. Very bad way employers can sometimes discriminate among their own employees even in very top multinationals. You will see absolutely none of that here. This is a place where you can say the sky is your limit and it is true.
As someone who thrives a lot in a competitive space, this feels like home. I liked working in Nigeria, but I always felt held back by people’s pettiness and extraneous demands. Here, you can shut yourself indoor, work a tech position remotely all your life, not utter a word to anyone in the company, and nobody will judge you. Just be good at your job. And since I have no desire to aspire to management position, this is the ideal environment for me and I love it.

Thanks for your piece. It's very encouraging. I can relate with how we treat expatriates in Nigeria. Imagine being on a rate of 2000 USD daily with accommodation and feeding provided for someone whom you are better than but you are not recognized. Your ability to overcome challenges is inspiring. All the best.

tensazangetsu20:
Leetcode is the way I am at the same place at op and the leetcode is the differentiator. It doesn't matter if you had first class or pass or you did computer science or you did Yoruba or chemical engineering. Leetcode is what separates boys from men.

Many companies only use such to screen applicants. Your degree and your grade matters. A lot of first class graduates are employed directly without those loops. LeetCode helps you pass your technical interviews, but its usefulness doesn’t extend much beyond that. Many try to memorize the problems but it doesn’t transfer to real-world software engineering problems. This is why some tech companies are moving away from that style and moving toward job-focused questions. The truth is both the educational system and the interview system needs a revamp. The present day Computer science program doesn't prepare you for the programming role and interview process is an opposite of actual job roles.

ednut1:
Nice one. Although it wasn’t easy but when a man is determined this is the result. In 6 months to a years. Other employers will start trying to lure him away by offering him 50% more salary . When you become a citizen the usa companys nearby will also try to lure you offering money. Last last i dey come usa too to chop money. All those people coming to ask i earn 700k should I travel lol.

The OP presented an objective report which is very true. He had a first class and great experience but didn't get any offer despite several applications. He had to up his game by attending a highly rated institution and earning a professional degree with good grades. He also had no family and minimize distractions and relied majorly on the millions of naira he saved.

But you always sound as if jobs are waiting for anyone in Canada. I quoted you earlier saying there's always a need to up the game if you want to be in that league. We have many others who are stuck on customer service and retail jobs. Getting the Canadian experience or higher degree is essential.

Studymore123:
Many companies only use such to screen applicants. Your degree and your grade matters. A lot of first class graduates are employed directly without those loops. LeetCode helps you pass your technical interviews, but its usefulness doesn’t extend much beyond that. Many try to memorize the problems but it doesn’t transfer to real-world software engineering problems. This is why some tech companies are moving away from that style and moving toward job-focused questions. The truth is both the educational system and the interview system needs a revamp. The present day Computer science program doesn't prepare you for the programming role and interview process is an opposite of actual job roles.

Maybe in other places though but not in tech. And the process of interviewing is the same for everyone regardless of your background. I agree though that the interview process absolutely doesn't correlate with the job at all.

tensazangetsu20:
Maybe in other places though but not in tech. And the process of interviewing is the same for everyone regardless of your background. I agree though that the interview process absolutely doesn't correlate with the job at all.

I'm talking about tech bro. I'm not a fan of degree and grades but you have to note that the competition is real.

The FAANGM companies receives thousands of applications per opening. It costs time and money to get the right candidate. If you school in the US, your schooling to some extent has prepared you for these positions and earning a good grade also proves your intellectual ability. So through internships/apprenticeships you can easily get employment into these companies and just rise through. Many have gone through this route. On the other hand there's also emphasis on soft skills. You may not believe it but a differentiator between a 150k and 250k engineer working in the same company in many cases is the soft skills.

Studymore123:
I'm talking about tech bro. I'm not a fan of degree and grades but you have to note that the competition is real.

The FAANGM companies receives thousands of applications per opening. It costs time and money to get the right candidate. If you school in the US, your schooling to some extent has prepared you for these positions and earning a good grade also proves your intellectual ability. So through internships/apprenticeships you can easily get employment into these companies and just rise through. Many have gone through this route. On the other hand there's also emphasis on soft skills. You may not believe it but a differentiator between a 150k and 250k engineer working in the same company in many cases is the soft skills.

Definitely but internships at faang still gets leetcode. They posted one question for apprenticeship at Bloomberg on the Facebook group I was in and even the senior devs there were shocked. The question was later found on leetcode and it didn't even have a solution and was rated very hard. People were asking why they would give apprentices and interns who don't know anything such questions to solve but that's the game and everyone is expected to play.