dlaw70:
It's time Russia should be made to know that they are not the only ones that use nucs.

If they want to nuc,let them start and see how many nucs will annihilate their country in few minutes .

Nobody has the Monopoly of violence.

Winters23:


What does Germany, Japan, South Korea, EU and UK have in common?

They're all conquered territories disguising as allies!

They depend on USA for defence and foreign policy development as well as economic survival.

When USA sneezes they shiver.

Only Russia, China and India have the balls to think for themselves in this goddamm world.

Some people may hate the west , hate America , i am more than happy that it's America & the west & not theocratic extremist middle easterners , theocratic lunatic Saudi Arabia , totalitarian Russia or totalitarian China who wields the most influence & power . You wants to live in a world where Saudi Arabia spreads their culture ? You want to live in a world where China or Russia spreads their type of governance in the region instead of Korea or Japan ? What a weirdo . You can always move to Russia , they love foreign jesters . USA and the west might not be perfect but they are Way better than Russia and China

Elvictor:


Germany talking about lifting sanction when Russia haven't even talked about ending the war.

Is Ukraine not winning again?

Are they not going to chase Russia back to their border with time again?

So, Ukraine is no longer winning?

Truth can never be hidden, Russia doesn't want to occupy Crimea, and the breakaway region.

Ukraine don't even own those regions, it was given to Ukraine freely as a gift, because of brotherhood, since Ukraine doesn't want to be friends again, let them allow the Russians in those regions be on their own.

Germany have learnt nothing, what happened to Russia after they were sanctioned since 2014?

I am just laughing, I want Germany to sanction Russia, and the entire EU to do so, this foolish Oyigbo doesn't know that Russia is the one making them rich.

Asia is the future, Asia will be richer than Europe soon, I trust Russia can do it.

Let me see how Brandon will save them from economy melt down, inflation smiling at EU

Your first paragraph shows you don't really understand their stance.

Awoleesu:


Just maybe...

But I expected you to know that there's a larger interest here beyond the proverbial "sneezing and catching cold..."
The cold war is largely between the west and the east, with the US leading the Western pack (and luring in some nations that do not fall within that pack).
Russia, on the other hand is like the proverbial bat - she's neither west nor east, but has always acted in ways that spite the west as against the east.
So, it is ordinarily expected that Russia would be supported by the largely communist east... Unfortunately, the arrogance and inordinate ambition of Putin jeopardizes this common expectation, as Putin's ambition is suspect. Not even the east (as a pack) trusts him.

For me, Putin is the problem here, and not US, Russia or the rest of the world. He's an aggressor, who just would do anything to provoke the world in order to test his power drunkenness potency...if not, Ukraine should be the least of places to test Russia's might..and this is what many Russians (who are protesting against Putin) think. This is what many Eastern bloc of Europe think, this is what other nations sympathetic to Ukraine think!

I see you have an open mind to discuss international politics and diplomacy which is very rare on Nairaland.

I will also disagree that Russia or Putin is the aggressor.

The world needs balance of power, checks and balances to the unbridled power of the West and Russia, China and India are doing just that.

Absolute power corrupts....

Now, this Ukraine conflict is the culmination of series of events that began in 2014 when the CIA ran a coup in Ukraine, Russia responded by annexing crimea...

USA reacted by wooing Ukraine into Nato...

Russia responded by invading...

What do you see here?

I see actions and reactions in equal proportion!

Many are quick to conclude Russia is the aggressor but looking at chain of event since 2014 this military operation should have happened long ago.

I think Russia exercised alot of restrain for far too long.

Lastly, Putin's personal ambition have nothing to do with what's happening in Ukraine, any Russian leader will do exact same thing for Russism!

Russism is Russia's policy that empowers the Cremeline to protect every ethnic Russian in Eastern Europe. Be it Georgia, Lithuania, Poland or Ukraine, when another govt oppresses them Russia must intervene.

Ukraine is guilty of oppressing ethnic Russians in the Donbas region. There's been rumours of ethnic cleansing going there and covered up by Ukraine and USA.

So there's that...

007Marvel:


Some people may hate the west , hate America , i am more than happy that it's America & the west & not theocratic extremist middle easterners , theocratic lunatic Saudi Arabia , totalitarian Russia or totalitarian China who wields the most influence & power . You wants to live in a world where Saudi Arabia spreads their culture ? You want to live in a world where China or Russia spreads their type of governance in the region instead of Korea or Japan ? What a weirdo . You can always move to Russia , they love foreign jesters . USA and the west might not be perfect but they are Way better than Russia and China

They also spread homosexuality, same sex marriage, transgenders, lesbianism, feminism and the virus called "woke culture"

So there's that

Elvictor:


Germany talking about lifting sanction when Russia haven't even talked about ending the war.

Is Ukraine not winning again?

Are they not going to chase Russia back to their border with time again?

So, Ukraine is no longer winning?

Truth can never be hidden, Russia doesn't want to occupy Crimea, and the breakaway region.

Ukraine don't even own those regions, it was given to Ukraine freely as a gift, because of brotherhood, since Ukraine doesn't want to be friends again, let them allow the Russians in those regions be on their own.

Germany have learnt nothing, what happened to Russia after they were sanctioned since 2014?

I am just laughing, I want Germany to sanction Russia, and the entire EU to do so, this foolish Oyigbo doesn't know that Russia is the one making them rich.

Asia is the future, Asia will be richer than Europe soon, I trust Russia can do it.

Let me see how Brandon will save them from economy melt down, inflation smiling at EU

Exactly.

Flier:
Sanctions works better than war,just that it takes long

It did not work on Iran or north Korea it won't work on Russia many are buying Russia oil still wise up.

Winters23:


What does Germany, Japan, South Korea, EU and UK have in common?

They're all conquered territories disguising as allies!

They depend on USA for defence and foreign policy development as well as economic survival.

When USA sneezes they shiver.

Only Russia, China and India have the balls to think for themselves in this goddamm world.

u like/support people thinking for themselves?

Rugaria:
The new German chancellor has shown his political immaturity and total display of political naivety. And I believe it's was not a coincidence that the Western alliance waited for the very mercurial and astute Angela Merkel to leave office before instigating the bunch of political bimbos in Kyiv to start the odious match towards their political immolation. They knew that Angel Merkel would never have signed up to this nonsense. The best way to end wars is to avoid one!

And Angela Merkel helped both The Russians and NATO to do so all the period she was in power. Europe in particular and the world in general, grew in peace. Now we have this political infant in Berlin and he's already angling for a confrontation with a nuclear power in his first months in power. We have some overzealous American politicians passing motions urging an unhinged bidens presidency to intervene! Intervene in what really!?!? Isn't that the beginning of Armageddon!? And some starry eyed Africans from the squalid slums of Lagos and Abuja are cheering them on! Define cluelessness..

Exactly.

HolyHero:
Politics is about interest… the west has always portrayed itself as a defender of democracy and freedom but their hypocrisy is getting hard to cover… they’ve invaded more countries and bombed more nations, but who can sanction them? They can bomb and invade other countries and no one will hold them accountable because they control the world economy and financial instruments… Israel can continue to violate the airspace or Syria and kill innocent Palestinians and the US will not sanction Israel.. The Saudis can continue killing civilians in Yemen, assassinate Jamal Khashoggi and persecute the shias and the US will keep supplying them weapons… when Ukraine broke the Minsk agreement and was attacking and killing native Russian speakers in the donbass region the EU, NATO and US didn’t hold Ukraine responsible but when Russia decided to protect its people from genocide they’re accused of invading a sovereign country… if it was Poland that invaded Ukraine.. I can bet you they won’t be sanctioned… NATO bombed the hell out of Serbia and created Kosovo by force… we can talk about the invasion of Iraq too… they unilaterally invaded Iraq on the pretense that Saddam has WMDs… but after killing millions in the war, no WMDs was found… but they pumped a tremendous amount of iraqs oil for free… just last month they overthrew the democratic constituted government of Pakistan became the PM won’t cut ties with Russia… is that democracy?
What right did nato have to invade Libya and bomb Gaddafi’s army?
Is Libya better now after the death of Gaddafi? The answer is no! … the arms and ammunition that NATO supplied the rebels have found it way to terrorist and bandits in Nigeria and that’s why Nigeria is suffering so much from insecurity. When was the last time Russia invaded any country?
Since 9/11 the US has spent trillions fighting the war on terror now that they’ve withdrawn from Afghanistan with their tail between their legs.. they’re looking for new enemies to justify spending more trillions that’s where Russia and China comes in…
The question y’all should be asking is if the United States decided to one day invade Nigeria the same way it has been invading other countries since the end of WWII, who will sanction them? Who fit?

Exactly it like juju..

USA can kill some of their fans mother and family they will still clap for them.

The juju is so strong I can bet you USA can invade Nigeria yet their fans will just love it and Rejoice.

leyexa:
PUTIN needs to be dealt with severely

The almighty is already dealing with him cos his health deteriorate. So sit back, relax and watch how it all play out

Toktee:
Your case is beyond redemption.
Troll....

Study what article five means in nato.

afube:





With all the German agro and gra gra in the day time ......
They are still buying Russian oil and gas for night.....anyway the Germans are still grieving over the 2 million nazi soldiers that Russians deleted in 1941 to 1945 world war 2!

Get out... Germany was the one that killed more of Russian soldiers. German were in Russia territory killing them... the battle took place in Russia... And you are saying trash... It was the USA that ended the war not your stupid Russia. if not for the USA in ww2, Germany would have wiped out Russia from the surface of the earth

Also, remembered that in ww1, the German had an easy defeat of the Russian. Germany has always been defeating Russia in battles. their beef no start today and the German always win except for the ww2 that Russia was greatly assisted by the same USA they made enemy today

Winters23:


I see you have an open mind to discuss international politics and diplomacy which is very rare on Nairaland.

I will also disagree that Russia or Putin is the aggressor.

The world needs balance of power, checks and balances to the unbridled power of the West and Russia, China and India are doing just that.

Absolute power corrupts....

Now, this Ukraine conflict is the culmination of series of events that began in 2014 when the CIA ran a coup in Ukraine, Russia responded by annexing crimea...

USA reacted by wooing Ukraine into Nato...

Russia responded by invading...

What do you see here?

I see actions and reactions in equal proportion!

Many are quick to conclude Russia is the aggressor but looking at chain of event since 2014 this military operation should have happened long ago.

I think Russia exercised alot of restrain for far too long.

Lastly, Putin's personal ambition have nothing to do with what's happening in Ukraine, any Russian leader will do exact same thing for Russism!

Russism is Russia's policy that empowers the Cremeline to protect every ethnic Russian in Eastern Europe. Be it Georgia, Lithuania, Poland or Ukraine, when another govt oppresses them Russia must intervene.

Ukraine is guilty of oppressing ethnic Russians in the Donbas region. There's been rumours of ethnic cleansing going there and covered up by Ukraine and USA.

So there's that...

I must give it to you!
I like your approach and level of intellect... Jus the type I like engaging online.

That said, I agree with you on some historical and philosophical antecedents as you may have suggested here. But let's not lose perspective; Putin's ideology has always been the military solution, which to me always has a collateral price of human lives! This should not always be the last resort...
As regards balance of power, I've always argued (even in academic circles) that there's no such thing as "Balance of Power"... Maybe 'Transition'... Yes! But Balance? No!
My allusion is simple; going by your analysis, would you say if Russia wins this war, Ukraine, Europe or the world at large will have peace or any semblance of it?
Do you agree sir, that empires fall and empires rise?

My simple submission is whatever the intricacies leading to this invasion, Putin took the fall by applying military action!
The so-called US he's 'getting back at' has shown more skillfulness at the diplomacy game than him by avoiding direct confrontation... And yes! That's the same good old trick that made the erstwhile Soviet Union cave in!

China has always been at variance with the US, but despite the Taiwan dispute, did you see China rush to implement a warfare solution?

Putin should understand that in every political/diplomatic struggle especially in contemporary times, popularity really matters! - you can't just win as a loner! Being rash and ferocious makes you play directly into the hands of the enemy! They cite your wild action as crazy (notwithstanding its genuineness) and Boom! It bursts in your face as the whole world sees you as the odd guy!

The point is how many nation's sympathy has Putin really won? Whether he was right or Ukraine was wrong, the reality is Ukraine is gaining more of the sympathy globally! See my point?

So, the salient issues you raised may have been valid, but Putin's rash actions have made these points now rather irrelevant!

I could go on and on...but lemme pause here for your intellectual rejoinder.

HomoSapiien:


But the rest of the world and especially the west were taking the ‘might is right’ stance when Israel was bullying palestine. Occupying their lands forcefully.

But that must also be your stance, shouldn’t it? Because if you support ‘might is right’ for Russia, it means you’re a strong supporter of all of Israel’s actions in the Middle East.

Don’t hide behind the west. Let’s assume that the west are hypocritical. How does that justify your own hypocrisy?

Awoleesu:


Just maybe...

But I expected you to know that there's a larger interest here beyond the proverbial "sneezing and catching cold..."
The cold war is largely between the west and the east, with the US leading the Western pack (and luring in some nations that do not fall within that pack).
Russia, on the other hand is like the proverbial bat - she's neither west nor east, but has always acted in ways that spite the west as against the east.
So, it is ordinarily expected that Russia would be supported by the largely communist east... Unfortunately, the arrogance and inordinate ambition of Putin jeopardizes this common expectation, as Putin's ambition is suspect. Not even the east (as a pack) trusts him.

For me, Putin is the problem here, and not US, Russia or the rest of the world. He's an aggressor, who just would do anything to provoke the world in order to test his power drunkenness potency...if not, Ukraine should be the least of places to test Russia's might..and this is what many Russians (who are protesting against Putin) think. This is what many Eastern bloc of Europe think, this is what other nations sympathetic to Ukraine think!

Ukraine has now vowed they won't join nato again this is to show you that they understand they are on the wrong side.

Even USA ran away from Ukraine to show you they know they are the ones at fault.

Go study what article five means in nato then come back and defend nato.

Which nation has nato rebuilt none.

joyandfaith:
Sanctions will be there as long as RA keep occupying Ukraine. Russian economy will be isolated. Even after the war, western countries will be wary of doing business with Russia.
Europe is aggressively looking for alternatives to Russian gas and oil. Putin is a threat to world peace. No justification for invasion of ukraine. It is just stupidity. How can you be turning your neighbours to enemies?

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Who told u Dere is no justification? even tho I don't lyk d fact Dat Russia invaded a sovereign state,ND it has led to a lot of bloodshed.USA should nw understand Dat it does nt possesses monopoly of power to do whateva it lyks.Russia warn NATO against incursion into eastern Europe,bt dey ignored deir warning.will USA allow Russia incursion into north or south America? Every country is doing wat will protect it's territory.The USA itself has violated a lot of countries sovereignty,ND went away wit it.In 2003, despite d United Nations voting against Invading Iraq,USA ND Britain went ahead to invade, killed lots of innocent pple,destroy d country,remove it leader, stole lots of oil,ND dey got away wit it.He who comes to equity must come wit clean hands! Since USA can do it other super power too can do it.Nd u talk abt sanctions.Iran was d most sanctioned country in d world bfor now, Russia has taken ova Dat position.Pls av u seen any Iranian begging on d street? av u seen d Iranian government begging Oda countries for help? Sanctions effectiveness are limited,tho it works,bt has a lot of loopholes Dat can b bypass,ND it will even help d sanctioned country to look inward, develop it's own country it's own way,ND come out stronger,as we've seen wit China ND Iran.Russia is even stronger Dan dose countries av mentioned.In d end all d warring parties will end at d dialogue table,ND evry1 will negotiate wats best for it.sometyms to make peace,we war first

EMIRofPUSSY:
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You don't know anything.
Always daft.

You know nothing about the war.
This is not Buhari Politics.

They didn't give you a long trashy epistle to paste on this topic abi?

lol. Badoo

Winters23:


I see you have an open mind to discuss international politics and diplomacy which is very rare on Nairaland.

I will also disagree that Russia or Putin is the aggressor.

The world needs balance of power, checks and balances to the unbridled power of the West and Russia, China and India are doing just that.

Absolute power corrupts....

Now, this Ukraine conflict is the culmination of series of events that began in 2014 when the CIA ran a coup in Ukraine, Russia responded by annexing crimea...

USA reacted by wooing Ukraine into Nato...

Russia responded by invading...

What do you see here?

I see actions and reactions in equal proportion!

Many are quick to conclude Russia is the aggressor but looking at chain of event since 2014 this military operation should have happened long ago.

I think Russia exercised alot of restrain for far too long.

Lastly, Putin's personal ambition have nothing to do with what's happening in Ukraine, any Russian leader will do exact same thing for Russism!

Russism is Russia's policy that empowers the Cremeline to protect every ethnic Russian in Eastern Europe. Be it Georgia, Lithuania, Poland or Ukraine, when another govt oppresses them Russia must intervene.

Ukraine is guilty of oppressing ethnic Russians in the Donbas region. There's been rumours of ethnic cleansing going there and covered up by Ukraine and USA.

So there's that...

You’ve just quoted Russian propaganda verbatim.

The Ukrainian parliament removed the president in 2014 with a majority vote.
Elections were conducted to get a new President. Democratic elections, at that. Where comes the accusations of coups?

Imagine justifying the invasion and annexation of Crimea with such weak propaganda. Not to talk of the Russian sponsored civil war in Donetsk and Luhansk.

You also betray a lack of understanding of the issues. Ukraine has been applying to become NATO members since 2006, and the US certainly weren’t ‘wooing’ them before the war. In fact, NATO was not inclined to admit them, thanks to the war in the East and the Crimea situation.

So the ‘NATO’ pretext as a basis for invasion makes zero sense.

Also ludicrous is the stories about Ukraine carrying out genocide. You’ll notice that that pretext was quickly discarded by Putin in favor of outlandish claims of biological warfare labs and nuclear ambitions.

You’ve misled yourself

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texazzpete:


You’ve just quoted Russian propaganda verbatim.

The Ukrainian parliament removed the president in 2014 with a majority vote.
Elections were conducted to get a new President. Democratic elections, at that. Where comes the accusations of coups?

Imagine justifying the invasion and annexation of Crimea with such weak propaganda. Not to talk of the Russian sponsored civil war in Donetsk and Luhansk.

You also betray a lack of understanding of the issues. Ukraine has been applying to become NATO members since 2006, and the US certainly weren’t ‘wooing’ them before the war. In fact, NATO was not inclined to admit them, thanks to the war in the East and the Crimea situation.

So the ‘NATO’ pretext as a basis for invasion makes zero sense.

Also ludicrous is the stories about Ukraine carrying out genocide. You’ll notice that that pretext was quickly discarded by Putin in favor of outlandish claims of biological warfare labs and nuclear ambitions.

You’ve misled yourself

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Kingsnairaland:


Ukraine has now vowed they won't join nato again this is to show you that they understand they are on the wrong side.

Even USA ran away from Ukraine to show you they know they are the ones at fault.

Go study what article five means in nato then come back and defend nato.

Which nation has nato rebuilt none.

I'm tempted to say I understand where your sympathy lies, but I'll just focus on the point you've raised.
BTW why singling out the NATO issue out as the crux of the whole stuff?
Perhaps, Ukraine acted in good faith by... According to you, "vowing not to join NATO" in the spirit of negotiations for the war to end, which to me, is good diplomacy!

You would be rather simplistic to think NATO is all there is to this war, but again like I'd said, I think I can rough-guess your political orientation... The reason you wanted to be the judge!

plaindealer:
Putin don buy bad market...

What do you expect when a tyrant is being patronised? He will use his customers money to buy weapons to hurt them and that's what putin had been doing with the billions of dollars received from gas sales to EU for over a decade, most of which had been destroyed by Ukrainian army.

Let's see where he'd see money to replenish his weapon stock now.

gigabyte13:
Hmmmmmmmmmm
Hmmmmmmmmmm
Power dey
Power dey
I get missiles
I get nuclear weapons
PUTIN no no say, as e get werey, werey pass werey....
Heard him say, Russia have weapons no other nation have
I laugh am
E go chop am wotowoto, it is a matter of time.

Even d world knw d weapons Russia has,nt 1 among Dem possess it.A Russian nuke,can destroy a country five times d size of France,five times d size of Texas,infact Russia has more variety of ballistic missile Dan any country on earth.Why do u tink countries are afraid of intervening in d war.Only USA is giving Dem liver.If a full blown war brakes out, Russia will obliterate d whole of Europe in minutes! pls Google,ND do ur research abt wat I wrote above.Most pple don't knw wat is at stake here dats why dey are exhibiting ignorance.Its a war btw USA ND Russia by proxy,USA wants to remain d superpower of d world, Russia wants to claim it's space as a world superpower again.dey don't care how many pple dies,how many infrastructure is destroyed,only deir personal interest.lyk d famous Michael Jackson posits in one of his songs."All I wanna say is,dey don't really care about us".

Demolakay:
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Who told u Dere is no justification? even tho I don't lyk d fact Dat Russia invaded a sovereign state,ND it has led to a lot of bloodshed.USA should nw understand Dat it does nt possesses monopoly of power to do whateva it lyks.Russia warn NATO against incursion into eastern Europe,bt dey ignored deir warning.will USA allow Russia incursion into north or south America? Every country is doing wat will protect it's territory.The USA itself has violated a lot of countries sovereignty,ND went away wit it.In 2003, despite d United Nations voting against Invading Iraq,USA ND Britain went ahead to invade, killed lots of innocent pple,destroy d country,remove it leader, stole lots of oil,ND dey got away wit it.He who comes to equity must come wit clean hands! Since USA can do it other super power too can do it.Nd u talk abt sanctions.Iran was d most sanctioned country in d world bfor now, Russia has taken ova Dat position.Pls av u seen any Iranian begging on d street? av u seen d Iranian government begging Oda countries for help? Sanctions effectiveness are limited,tho it works,bt has a lot of loopholes Dat can b bypass,ND it will even help d sanctioned country to look inward, develop it's own country it's own way,ND come out stronger,as we've seen wit China ND Iran.Russia is even stronger Dan dose countries av mentioned.In d end all d warring parties will end at d dialogue table,ND evry1 will negotiate wats best for it.sometyms to make peace,we war first

NATO is not reason Russia invaded Ukraine? Why did Russia invade Georgia in 2008? NATO?
Why did Russia annex crimea in 2014. NATO?
The Nazi Germany invaded Stalingrad became of natural resources. NAZI Russia invaded Ukraine because of gas.
https://www.nairaland.com/7100040/putins-ukraine-invasion-energy-natural
Sanction is a slow poison.

Useless Germany.

They will threaten in the public and yet go at night to buy Gas from Russia in Rubles.

How can you be funding a war that you are publicly claiming you want to stop?

Nonsense

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Germany should worry more about their drowning economy.

ensamy:

Germany lost because U.S entered the war when Pearl harbor was bombed by Japan. Germany was fighting from two fronts East and West. France was conquered without a gun shot , the triple entente comprising Germany , Japan and I think China. Hitler the Fuhrer had rebuild the German army against the instructions of the League of Nations or UNO and taken back the Rhineland rich in coal and stopped the reparations of 600,000,000 USD which saved Germany then known as Weimar Republic after the lost of first world war.
To cut the long story short, a young Jewish scientists by name Albert Einstein was deported from Germany to the U.S or left for U.S during the era of Nazi incarceration of the Jews , so the allied were going down until the Pearl harbor bombardments. After that Albert Einstein who had designed the Atomic bomb with E=mC2(mcsquared) was contracted for this by U.S armed forces. This was later used in Nagasaki and Hiroshima, seeing the destruction Japan surrendered, Hitler was defeated by the red armies in Russia and when the allied tactically landed at Normandy in the West, Hitler fell.
Last last Putin going same direction will fall.

Pipe dream.

Germany wanted to rule the world by force that they same thing USA wants to do by proxy they are the Hitler of our time it USA that will go down.

Minjim:

There was a video of Russian TV commentators saying Ukraine should be wiped off the map.

It's here on Nairaland.

Many commentator are not from government agencies USA commentators said USA should never leave Afghanistan so what then happened.

Don't equal commentators opinions with real news.

Fair enough

Winters23:


What does Germany, Japan, South Korea, EU and UK have in common?

They're all conquered territories disguising as allies!

They depend on USA for defence and foreign policy development as well as economic survival.

When USA sneezes they shiver.

Only Russia, China and India have the balls to think for themselves in this goddamm world.

Didn’t Britain colonize USA?

texazzpete:


You’ve just quoted Russian propaganda verbatim.

The Ukrainian parliament removed the president in 2014 with a majority vote.
Elections were conducted to get a new President. Democratic elections, at that. Where comes the accusations of coups?

Imagine justifying the invasion and annexation of Crimea with such weak propaganda. Not to talk of the Russian sponsored civil war in Donetsk and Luhansk.

You also betray a lack of understanding of the issues. Ukraine has been applying to become NATO members since 2006, and the US certainly weren’t ‘wooing’ them before the war. In fact, NATO was not inclined to admit them, thanks to the war in the East and the Crimea situation.

So the ‘NATO’ pretext as a basis for invasion makes zero sense.

Also ludicrous is the stories about Ukraine carrying out genocide. You’ll notice that that pretext was quickly discarded by Putin in favor of outlandish claims of biological warfare labs and nuclear ambitions.

You’ve misled yourself

Ukraine killed ethnic Russians in East

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/20/ukraine-nationalist-attacks-russia-supporters-kremlin-deaths


Even western news reports that putin was saying the truth.