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BasedUsername:
While this is true, there is still a case to be made that the foetus inside has a right to life. For that reason tbh, I'm still a bit iffy on late-term abortions. However, at the end of the day, women should be able to make that decision for themselves.

I am also a bit iffy on late term abortion but I know that you cannot force a woman to birth a baby much less breast feed and care for a baby she doesn't want. What convinced me to a hard pro-choice was when I actually say a new born floating on the lagos lagoon behind NPA bar beach about 25 years ago. It still traumatised me till today. Many babies will be surely murdered instead of simply aborted.

If true, then this is the best possible outcome of the law. Abortion should be safe, legal, rare—and if I may add—early.

I agree with all, but rare will be very difficult to determine. It should boil down to sex education and the dangers and consequences of indiscriminate sex.

benalvino3:
I asked you this
Do you know what freedom is? Freedom to kill, freedom to steal.


And you respond with the nonsense above in bold. This is why I said you don't use your head.

And the whole post seems like you have cognitive issue.

You said if someone wants to have abortion or sell their baby there is nothing anyone can do. I am saying only if they are not caught. I have already shown you example of a woman arrested who sells her baby.

You also talk about stealing and killing and nothing anyone can do. I am saying they don't have freedom to kill or still. They can do it... But when they are caught they will be punished. That means, there is no freedom to steal or kill.

But its her body. Freedom over what goes in and out of her body.

Selling a baby is different from aborting a baby, so also is donating a baby to an orphanage.
What of abandoning a baby? If a woman says she doesn't want to a baby to suck her breast, do you force her?

Posting publicly available information on a lefty Supreme Court clerk without any addresses or phone numbers: “doxxing”

Posting the private addresses of Supreme Court Justices to spur protests at their houses: “passion”

The white house refused to condem attack on churches and threats against the Supreme Court Justices. This is the left, this is America. The left always burn shit down and threaten people directly but its the right wing who are extremely dangerous.

wirinet:
But its her body. Freedom over what goes in and out of her body.

Selling a baby is different from aborting a baby, so also is donating a baby to an orphanage.
What of abandoning a baby? If a woman says she doesn't want to a baby to suck her breast, do you force her?

Budaatum says she can sell her baby and there is nothing anyone can do. He also talk about killing and stealing and there is nothing anyone can do. I am just telling him no one has the freedom to commit a crime. You can till you get caught. So freedom to commit a crime means it is legal to do that particular thing.

People who do abortion illegally don't have freedom to do it which is why the word illegal is used. If they are caught there will be some kind of accountability.

I have addressed this selling of baby and abandoning of babies.

Like I said, my body my choice. Why is it that a woman cannot choice to not feed her baby? Why can't she abandon it?

Why are men forced to pay child support?

All these go against the bodily autonomy argument or show some kind of irony.

So when a woman says she does not want to nurse her child or feed it or care for it... She is arrested.

benalvino3:
Budaatum says she can sell her baby and there is nothing anyone can do. He also talk about killing and stealing and there is nothing anyone can do. I am just telling him no one has the freedom to commit a crime. You can till you get caught. So freedom to commit a crime means it is legal to do that particular thing.

Selling a human is illegal under international law.
Law are meant to control human behaviour to promote peace and harmony within a society. A law can render an illegal action today illegal tomorrow.

People who do abortion illegally don't have freedom to do it which is why the word illegal is used. If they are caught there will be some kind of accountability.

Laws that are made solely for religious sentiments are unenforceable and often ignored. They don't usually stand the test of time, ie, abortion laws, bootlegging laws, adultery laws, etc. Adultery is illegal in our statutes, but till today no one has been prosecuted for adultery.

I have addressed this selling of baby and abandoning of babies.

Like I said, my body my choice. Why is it that a woman cannot choice to not feed her baby? Why can't she abandon it?

If she abandoned the child and it dies, is that not murder or at best manslaughter?

Why are men forced to pay child support?

I support holding men accountable for getting a woman pregnant and absconding without supporting the birthing and care for the child. If this singular act is codified and made law, it would cut the need for abortions by half.

All these go against the bodily autonomy argument or show some kind of irony.

So when a woman says she does not want to nurse her child or feed it or care for it... She is arrested.

What happens to the woman if she is caught abandoning a baby in the Bush or dust bin?

wirinet:
Selling a human is illegal under international law.
Law are meant to control human behaviour to promote peace and harmony within a society. A law can render an illegal action today illegal tomorrow.


Laws that are made solely for religious sentiments are unenforceable and often ignored. They don't usually stand the test of time, ie, abortion laws, bootlegging laws, adultery laws, etc. Adultery is illegal in our statutes, but till today no one has been prosecuted for adultery.



If she abandoned the child and it dies, is that not murder or at best manslaughter?


I support holding men accountable for getting a woman pregnant and absconding without supporting the birthing and care for the child. If this singular act is codified and made law, it would cut the need for abortions by half.



What happens to the woman if she is caught abandoning a baby in the Bush or dust bin?

Yet budaatum is saying she can sell the baby in a market and there is not much one can do about it.

Religion has nothing to do with this. Weda you are religious or not, we can all agree that taking the life of another human is something that shouldn't be done... Which is why pro abortion people often try to claim they are not aborting a human.

Every mother should be responsible for their child. But some of the argument people use for late term abortion, like even support 9months abortion is "my body my choice" why can't that apply to after the baby has been delivered?

The window should be 10weeks and after that, the child should not be aborted except their are some issues the pregnancy is causing that may kill the mother.

Of course, men should be responsible for their child and also, they themselves have their body and their choice... Why is that not relevant? A man does not want the child therefore, the woman should abort it... Else, he should not be forced to take care of the child. Isn't that an irony?

This is what the pro-life extremist have done in the past before one poster above is claiming victim and feigning lies by mistaking the left for Trump far right insurrectionist supporters that stormed the capitol.


And by the way the Louisiana GQP have lost their minds

benalvino3:
Yet budaatum is saying she can sell the baby in a market and there is not much one can do about it.

Religion has nothing to do with this. Weda you are religious or not, we can all agree that taking the life of another human is something that shouldn't be done... Which is why pro abortion people often try to claim they are not aborting a human.

Every mother should be responsible for their child. But some of the argument people use for late term abortion, like even support 9months abortion is "my body my choice" why can't that apply to after the baby has been delivered?

The window should be 10weeks and after that, the child should not be aborted except their are some issues the pregnancy is causing that may kill the mother.

Of course, men should be responsible for their child and also, they themselves have their body and their choice... Why is that not relevant? A man does not want the child therefore, the woman should abort it... Else, he should not be forced to take care of the child. Isn't that an irony?

This is how you lots lie a lot.

Stop lying on constructs you have no idea about how many % of abortions happen late term? and they are less than 3% of abortions done.Most late term abortions if not all happen because of medical related reasons. And nobody does an abortion up to birth that is infanticide stop with the lies. Many of the abortions that happen in the late trimester are done by doctor's advice because it could be fatal for the woman or baby that is why you have no business setting limits for women let the doctors do their jobs

And the proper wording should be that every parent should be responsible for a child that they are ready and willing to cater for, of course the child after being born has a right and choice under the guidance of the parents and so they are subject to the whims and caprices of the parents as long as the foetus remains in the womb and is not viable the Life and choice of the woman is paramount and substantial over everything else that is why in countries where abortions are highly restrictive they still prioritise the mother over the child.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2019/02/06/tough-questions-answers-late-term-abortions-law-women-who-get-them/

http://fbaum.unc.edu/lobby/087_Late-term_Abortion/frameset_abortion.html
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/02/06/health/late-term-abortion-explainer/index.html

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2019/mar/07/abortion-late-term-what-pregnancy-stage

benalvino3:
Budaatum says she can sell her baby and there is nothing anyone can do. He also talk about killing and stealing and there is nothing anyone can do. I am just telling him no one has the freedom to commit a crime. You can till you get caught.

And wasn't that my point? Now go back and read how many times I literally said she can be 9 months pregnant and you and your state may not know so you wouldn't even be looking for her not to talk of catch her.

Ben. Homosexuality has been illegal in Nigeria for a while now, but are you aware no one has yet been charged for homosexuality in Nigeria? I bet you think a law against homosexuality stopped anyone being gay just as you think a ban on abortions would stop abortions.

AmazonTopaz:
This is how you lots lie a lot.

Stop lying on constructs you have no idea about how many % of abortions happen late term? and they are less than 3% of abortions done.Most late term abortions if not all happen because of medical related reasons. And nobody does an abortion up to birth that is infanticide stop with the lies. Many of the abortions that happen in the late trimester are done by doctor's advice because it could be fatal for the woman or baby that is why you have no business setting limits for women let the doctors do their jobs

And the proper wording should be that every parent should be responsible for a child that they are ready and willing to cater for, of course the child after being born has a right and choice under the guidance of the parents and so they are subject to the whims and caprices of the parents as long as the foetus remains in the womb and is not viable the Life and choice of the woman is paramount and substantial over everything else that is why in countries where abortions are highly restrictive they still prioritise the mother over the child.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2019/02/06/tough-questions-answers-late-term-abortions-law-women-who-get-them/

http://fbaum.unc.edu/lobby/087_Late-term_Abortion/frameset_abortion.html
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/02/06/health/late-term-abortion-explainer/index.html

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2019/mar/07/abortion-late-term-what-pregnancy-stage

what is the lie? you said I am lying then make a strawman. have I ever mentioned the percentage of abortion that occurs late term? I said 9 out of 10 do it in the first 10 weeks but since you are here to argue instead of listening... you once again argue with nothing.

it does not change the fact that you and buda are pushing abortion even at 9 months of the pregnancy.
you have also made a statement that unborn child or fetus is not human because it does not have human rights. so it is okay to kill it.

the video is regular. your democrats are killing fully developed babies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZDMBF0tHWI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4YGp_8SJYk

budaatum:
And wasn't that my point? Now go back and read how many times I literally said she can be 9 months pregnant and you and your state may not know so you wouldn't even be looking for her not to talk of catch her.

Ben. Homosexuality has been illegal in Nigeria for a while now, but are you aware no one has yet been charged for homosexuality in Nigeria? I bet you think a law against homosexuality stopped anyone being gay just as you think a ban on abortions would stop abortions.

Your point is she can sell her baby or abort it and there is nothing anyone can do.
you could have just agreed when I said only if they are not caught. you want to make it sound like they are free to do whatever is illegal.
when you make such a statement, you have to try and make your point clear.

people can always do illegal stuff, no way to stop it. the ones who are not caught will evade the law. the ones who are caught won't. so by your logic, we should legalize murder because people get away with murder?

your homosexuality talk is so stupid.
the law against murder did not stop anyone from being a murderer so lets legalize it. that is how you think Buda. how embarrassing

benalvino3:
what is the lie? you said I am lying then make a strawman. have I ever mentioned the percentage of abortion that occurs late term? I said 9 out of 10 do it in the first 10 weeks but since you are here to argue instead of listening... you once again argue with nothing.

it does not change the fact that you and buda are pushing abortion even at 9 months of the pregnancy.
you have also made a statement that unborn child or fetus is not human because it does not have human rights. so it is okay to kill it.

the video is regular. your democrats are killing fully developed babies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZDMBF0tHWI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4YGp_8SJYk

Stop lying.

Abortion is an health, economic and social issue and not a political issue. Stop lying anyway that is how Trump and his supporters operate anyway.
Liar trying to paint up to birth abortions as a thing when it does not exist or that late term abortions are the norm.
Liar

AmazonTopaz:
Stop lying.

Abortion is an health, economic and social issue and not a political issue. Stop lying anyway that is how Trump and his supporters operate anyway.
Liar trying to paint up to birth abortions as a thing when it does not exist or that late term abortions are the norm.
Liar

stop lying but you cannot point the lie.
abortion is also the murder of a child. If you want to have an abortion, do it early, that's my exception. it is a sensitive issue, life is involved, and other things are involved. all must be considered.

the reason you are not seeing late term is because it is illegal. your friends leftards are trying to legalize it because my body my choice.

ibime, this excerpt is specifically for you. another reason why Elon Musk is right
https://news.yahoo.com/term-abortion-2020-democrats-left-145707120.html?msclkid=90043e5dcd3a11ec87025922004335fb

Maybe Andrew Yang, the technocrat who says voters want non-ideological leadership? “I’m for women’s reproductive rights,” Yang told me after the debate when asked if he supported any limits on late-term abortion.

Maybe John Hickenlooper, the moderate former Colorado governor who is warning Democrats they’ll lose if they lurch too far left? “That’s a longer conversation than we have [time for] here,” he said.

Maybe Marianne Williamson, the New Age author, would like to extend some love to viable unborn children? “This is a made-up issue in my mind. A woman doesn’t stroll into an abortion clinic at eight-and-a-half months and say, ‘Oh well, I don’t think I want to do this,’” Williamson told me. But what about, say, prohibiting abortion at 23 weeks into pregnancy when the viable baby and mother are both physically healthy? “I have a problem with the government telling a woman” what to do, Williamson replied.

The issue of late-term abortion is certainly not a made-up issue. There are more late-term abortions than gun homicides committed annually in the United States. And according to a 2013 study, conducted by professors at the University of California, San Francisco, “data suggest most women seeking later terminations are not doing so for reasons of fetal anomaly or life endangerment.” Just last month, BuzzFeed News profiled a healthy woman who aborted her healthy baby at 21 weeks, mere days before the child was old enough to survive outside the womb.

Does any Democratic candidate think that’s wrong? Will any candidate say that elective late-term abortions should not be permitted? Can any candidate explain the difference between elective post-viability abortion and infanticide?

Joe Biden once said in the 1990s that he would like to “ban all post-viability abortions,” but he has so far avoided being asked in an interview whether he still holds that view. If he abandons it, just as he abandoned his opposition to taxpayer funding of abortion, it will be yet another sign of how far left the Democratic party has moved since 2008.

benalvino3:
stop lying but you cannot point the lie.
abortion is also the murder of a child. If you want to have an abortion, do it early, that's my exception. it is a sensitive issue, life is involved, and other things are involved. all must be considered.

the reason you are not seeing late term is because it is illegal. your friends leftards are trying to legalize it because my body my choice.

Keep quiet, argue with the doctors there is nothing like late term abortion that word is just a political construct same way you liars claim that there is something like abortion up to birth when there is not one.
If abortion is murder to you then don't commit one and mind your business let women make decisions that concern them. As long as there is something called state sanctioned murder and the GQP have no problem with capital punishment they should keep shut and stop worrying about a woman's uterus

benalvino3:
Your point is she can sell her baby or abort it and there is nothing anyone can do.
you could have just agreed when I said only if they are not caught. you want to make it sound like they are free to do whatever is illegal.
when you make such a statement, you have to try and make your point clear.

people can always do illegal stuff, no way to stop it. the ones who are not caught will evade the law. the ones who are caught won't. so by your logic, we should legalize murder because people get away with murder?

your homosexuality talk is so stupid.
the law against murder did not stop anyone from being a murderer so lets legalize it. that is how you think Buda. how embarrassing

Ben, go to school to learn how to understand what you read instead of showing you lack the ability to comprehend! It would help you reason better.

budaatum:
Ben, go to school to learn how to understand what you read instead of showing you lack the ability to comprehend! It would help you reason better.

LMAO

benalvino3:
abortion is also the murder of a child. If you want to have an abortion, do it early, that's my exception.

Is it not murder if done early, Ben, or do you just make an exception for early murder?

budaatum:
Ben, go to school to learn how to understand what you read instead of showing you lack the ability to comprehend! It would help you reason better.

Lol, when you say nonsense I should go to school to understand it

Homosexuality is illegal, people are still homosexual so it should be legal. Your argument.

budaatum:
Is it not murder if done early, Ben, or do you just make an exception for early murder?

I think it should be done early... There is a reason why you have laws like heart beat and other stuff. The child wants to survive and can feel pain.

You agree if it's done early it's not murder. My exception it ends at 10weeks... But why support abortion at anytime then still say it's not murder if it's done early? You are admitting if it's done late it is murder.

If you like say I no understand again
But that's what you are saying.

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benalvino3:
I think it should be done early... There is a reason why you have laws like heart beat and other stuff. The child wants to survive and can feel pain.

You agree if it's done early it's not murder. My exception it ends at 10weeks... But why support abortion at anytime then still say it's not murder if it's done early? You are admitting if it's done late it is murder.

If you like say I no understand again
But that's what you are saying.

There you go putting your words in my mouth because you can not read!

Ben, abortion is not murder! And it is you the antiabortionist whom we should be asking why you support any abortion if abortion is murder according to you!

Ben, you do not understand what you read!

benalvino3:
Homosexuality is illegal, people are still homosexual so it should be legal. Your argument.

Your ignorant understanding of my argument, Ben.

Mine is you can't police abortions just as you can not police what two individuals do in their bedroom. But I'm sure you'd fit cameras there just so you can see what they do just as you want to police the wombs of women.

benalvino3:
ibime, this excerpt is specifically for you. another reason why Elon Musk is right
https://news.yahoo.com/term-abortion-2020-democrats-left-145707120.html?msclkid=90043e5dcd3a11ec87025922004335fb

You dey catch migraine over abortion matter. Abortion is not a voting matter for me. My issue with Elon Musk is claiming Dems have gone left while Cons are standing still. Cons have gone alt-right.

budaatum:
There you go putting your words in my mouth because you can not read!

Ben, abortion is not murder! And it is you the antiabortionist whom we should be asking why you support any abortion if abortion is murder according to you!

Ben, you do not understand what you read!

you said "is it not murder if done early" you are asking a question.
My initial glance at your post was: " it is not murder if done early" so I misread your post.

I don't support abortion. I only have an exception.
I recognize the predicament one can find herself in. it is a very complicated topic, so if one has to do abortion since the law permits it, it has to be early.

Ibime:
You dey catch migraine over abortion matter. Abortion is not a voting matter for me. My issue with Elon Musk is claiming Dems have gone left while Cons are standing still. Cons have gone alt-right.

and I am saying he is correct. the Cons are even moving towards the center.

benalvino3:
and I am saying he is correct. the Cons are even moving towards the center.

Yeah right, with far right guys like Bannon setting their agenda

Ibime:
Yeah right, with far right guys like Bannon setting their agenda

Then all the Dems who have been threatening violence on supreme court justices because of abortion.

Ibime:
You dey catch migraine over abortion matter. Abortion is not a voting matter for me. My issue with Elon Musk is claiming Dems have gone left while Cons are standing still. Cons have gone alt-right.

On which specific debate issue?

Compare the position of both parties in 2008 and now.

For example As at 2008, Obama did not even support same sex marriage, By 2022, The Republican position on it has moved left to almost where Obama was in 2008 but the left has gone even further left

benalvino3:
you said "is it not murder if done early" you are asking a question.
My initial glance at your post was: " it is not murder if done early" so I misread your post.

You "misread your post" a lot Ben, which is why I always say you can't read, just that this time you've admitted your error. Usually, you'd go on for days on end claiming what you misread is what buda said which is very tiring. Hopefully, you'd be more mindful in future.

benalvino3:
I don't support abortion. I only have an exception.
I recognize the predicament one can find himself in. it is a very complicated topic, so if one has to do abortion since the law permits it, it has to be early.

You "don't support" but you "have an exception" because you "recognise the predicament", ben, but you must think you are the only one.

I support the woman to make an informed choice and to bear the consequences of her actions. Abortion leaves a lingering scar and is not done lightly.

budaatum:
You "misread your post" a lot Ben, which is why I always say you can't read, just that this time you've admitted your error. Usually, you'd go on for days on end claiming what you misread is what buda said which is very tiring. Hopefully, you'd be more mindful in future.



You "don't support" but you "have an exception" because you "recognise the predicament", ben, but you must think you are the only one.

I support the woman to make an informed choice and to bear the consequences of her actions. Abortion leaves a lingering scar and is not done lightly.

nope, I don't. if I do misread I will admit it.

I am not the only one. the word pro-choice is a vague term if there is a limit. a woman can decide to have an abortion at any time if she wants. that's a pro-choice stance which is why they are trying to legalize late term abortion.
we can all agree that there should be a window. Like I said, I am open to discussing Texas' 6 weeks law if some think it is too short... but no woman should be allowed to have an abortion anytime she wants (Late-Term) except if there is a circumstance that may cause complications to her.