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JustExposeIt:
Grammarians invents new words every now and then. So, rapture was used to replace falling away.

tctrills:
Jesus is coming back to the earth. Christians would not be raptured to heaven but rather to the sky to welcome the Savior to the earth. No verse in the bible teaches that Christians would be taken up to heaven.

OLAADEGBU:
What would they be doing in the sky for the next 7 years?

OLAADEGBU:
What would they be doing in the sky for the next 7 years?

tctrills:
No single verse of the bible talks about the good guys going to heaven and the bad left on earth. its false doctrine and and addition to the word

OLAADEGBU:
That is because you read selectively. The Scriptures and the OP is replete with verses talking about saints going to heaven.

tctrills:
You are getting it all wrong. Saints would go to heaven no doubt. But no one would be raptured to heaven. On that great day of judgment, the sheep would be separated from the goats.
The sheep would be given a place in the kingdom and the Goats cast away. No verse says the righteous would go to heaven via a rapture. If you know such a verse please quote it.

OLAADEGBU:
Prayerfully read these 1 Thessalonians 4;13-16 verses then give us your feedback.

tctrills:
13 But pI would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

This very scripture summarizes all I have been telling you. What do we learn here? 1. This is the coming of the Lord. Jesus Christ is the one coming back. 2. The Lord would descend from heaven, not we rapturing to heaven. 3. The righteous would rise from death.
Jesus is coming back to reign upon the earth and the faithful would reign with him.

Do you understand it now?

OLAADEGBU:
Not so fast. Now read the following verses (1 Thessalonians 4:17; 1 Corinthians 15:51; Acts 1:9; Revelation 11:12; John 12:26; 14:3; 17:24) and let them sink in.

OkCornel:
2 Thessalonians 2 v 1-4;

1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ AND OUR BEING GATHERED TO HIM, we ask you, brothers and sisters,
2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come.
3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for THAT DAY WILL NOT COME UNTIL the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.
4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.


The above verse clearly shows the church would be very much around when the lawless one (the antichrist) who would defile God's temple would be revealed - Daniel 9 v 27 and Matthew 24 v 15.

tctrills:
I do not think you read any of the above verses before sending them. So I have quoted them below for us all to read. None of the verses you quoted teaches of a Universal rapture for the righteous. Rather, they tell of Christ's second coming.

tctrills:
1 Thessalonians 4:17
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Yes when Christ comes back, the saints would rise and meet him in the air. Note it never says meet him in heaven but rather here on earth. It never said they would fly to heaven. The rapture story is a false addition to the bible's truths.

tctrills:
Acts 1:9
And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
Did you read these verses before sending them? This tells of Christ's ascension to heaven after his resurrection.

tctrills:
1 Corinthians 15:51
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
This verse has nothing to do with the rapture. At the second coming of Christ, the righteous at that time would no longer die rather, they would be transformed.

tctrills:
Revelations11.12
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
This is the prophecy of the 2 prophets that shall be killed on the streets and shall rise to heaven. It has nothing to do with the Christain congregation riseing to heaven na.

MaxInDHouse:
because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we will always be with the Lord. So keep comforting one another with these words! 1Thessalonians 4:16-18

According to the above scripture something of that nature will surely occur but misinformed Churchgoers are getting it all complicated!

Jesus (Archangel Michael) will call from the sky but only his own followers will hear the call, and another strange thing Paul mentioned here is that "the dead in Christ" (Born Again Christians who are dead) will rise first from their graves and later other Born Again who are alive by then will follow.

This resurrection will not be noticed by unbelievers because it will be spiritual no physical bodies will be seen. 1Corinthians 15:44

OLAADEGBU:
And I don't think you understood those verses to see how they all relate to the universal rapture for the righteous. The rapture is the first phase of the Second Coming of Christ.
That's your personal opinion not the word of God.


What is the point of meeting Christ in the air if they will not go up to heaven to be with the Lord? Enoch and Elijah are examples of those who did not taste death but were caught up in the air in a moment. (Genesis 5:24; 2 Kings 2:11,12). It's not up to you to add to the bible. The scripture says they would meet in the sky and no more. As Christians, we do not assume. No need to write another bible just to suit a particular dictrine.



So you didn't see how this verse illustrated the rapture in the N.T.? Jesus died, was buried, bodily resurrected and while He communicated with His disciples on Mount Olivet, He was taken up, caught up (raptured) in the air (Acts 1:9-11)? Do you think Jesus is still in the air or hear on earth and not gone to heaven? We all know Jesus went to heaven but he never said we also would rapture to heaven that was your addition. rather, we would go to heaven after judgment.



The rapture was not only a mystery to the O.T. prophets but to uninformed believers and unbelievers alike. The rapture is surely a mystery to the world but not to informed believers in Christ. Christ the Messiah came for His people but the rejected Him (John 1:11), and God turned to the Gentiles to take a people for Himself. It is just a pity that some uninformed believers and the world at present are ignorant to the truth that the rapture will mark the end of this special period of grace. The rapture is neither a Christain doctrine nor is it biblical.



Following your line of thought, why would you believe the 2 prophets would rise to heaven if you think that the Church is only resurrected and changed to stay in the air and here on earth? It's not about what I believe or my line of thought. It's about the revealed word. We were clearly told that 2 dead prophets would be taken up to heaven, not the entire Christain world. The latter part is your addition to the bible. Do you understand?

OkCornel:
Will this happen after the great tribulation?

MaxInDHouse:
NO!
The last among 144,000 of Jesus' Born Again brothers must leave this planet before the great tribulation but it will be shortened because they will not stay long in heaven before their government begins otherwise no single flesh will survive! Matthew 24:22

During the great tribulation all the members of the Governing Body who are preparing the spiritual nourishment JWs need will no longer be here again so the decadence will be speedy as many even among the JWs will join others in support of the one world religion that Satan will initiate by then to drag all the inhabitants of the earth to destruction. Revelations 16:13-14
So on account of the Born Again brothers of Christ who labored to gather us for over a century those days will be shortened for their labor not to be in vain.

tctrills:
That's your personal opinion not the word of God.

tctrills:
It's not up to you to add to the bible. The scripture says they would meet in the sky and no more. As Christians, we do not assume. No need to write another bible just to suit a particular dictrine.

tctrills:
We all know Jesus went to heaven but he never said we also would rapture to heaven that was your addition. rather, we would go to heaven after judgment.

tctrills:
The rapture is neither a Christain doctrine nor is it biblical.

tctrills:
It's not about what I believe or my line of thought. It's about the revealed word. We were clearly told that 2 dead prophets would be taken up to heaven, not the entire Christain world. The latter part is your addition to the bible. Do you understand?

OkCornel:
I respectfully disagree sir

MaxInDHouse:
Hope you get a satisfying answer, meanwhile thanks for reading through what over 8,000,000 people globally believe and are zealously working towards it's achievement!

OkCornel:
Thanks sir! The Lord bless you exceedingly for your labor of love in his kingdom!

MaxInDHouse:
Hope to see you there!

OLAADEGBU:
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God's Word teaches that the Rapture (Commonly referred to as the first phase or stage of the 2nd Coming of Christ) is the taking away from the earth, of all living saints and all who died in the Lord. The Rapture will take place before the Great Tribulation and can happen any time from now.

"In a twinkling of an eye" without a moment's warning, "the trumpet shall sound" "and the dead in Christ shall rise first; then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord" (John 14:1-3; Luke 21:34-36; 1 Corinthians 15:51-58; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 5:4-9; 2 Thessalonians 2:5-7; Philippians 3:11, 20,21; 1 John 3:1-3).

OLAADEGBU:
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God's Word teaches that the Rapture (Commonly referred to as the first phase or stage of the 2nd Coming of Christ) is the taking away from the earth, of all living saints and all who died in the Lord. The Rapture will take place before the Great Tribulation and can happen any time from now.

"In a twinkling of an eye" without a moment's warning, "the trumpet shall sound" "and the dead in Christ shall rise first; then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord" (John 14:1-3; Luke 21:34-36; 1 Corinthians 15:51-58; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 5:4-9; 2 Thessalonians 2:5-7; Philippians 3:11, 20,21; 1 John 3:1-3).