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LilMissFavvy:
Mathew 10:28 " fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul, but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell" . Some Bible versions will say destroy both spirit and body in hell . However, In the scriptures you will observe that soul and spirit is often used interchangeably, and mean the same thing in such instances when it's used.

It shouldn't matter to you what the spirit is made of, because He that made it, said he has power to destroy it.

That's why I tell believers, rather than engage in unnecessary arguments, obey the commandments of God, do good and wait for Jesus's return, simple, since too many churches have sprang up, with different doctrines. It is not the doctrines that will save you nor the arguments, if you obey the word of God, then you have nothing to worry concerning what will happen when Jesus returns.

I’m glad you yourself knows that we have different Bible versions and they change words in it. One can only wonder how many words each VERSION has changed

I know of one word they changed in it too, check it out.
You can see that Yahweh father gave him Israel as inheritance, Yahweh father that’s Elohim.

cornelboy:
You no even sure of yourself you dé talk say we dé twist.

Efribody don see your twist and I sure reach Zuma rock.

Jesus clearly tells you to not fear who can hurt the body, that you should be concerned about who can destroy the soul, meaning your spirit, I went further to explain that some Bible versions mention spirit. So what's difficult to understand that you are bringing in Yoruba? How does what Yoruba say concern the Bible? I do not understand Yoruba, everything you typed so far does not even relate to your question which I replied and showed you what Jesus said. I have not even read your long messages, because they are not scriptures.

Maynman:
Yes you yourself can see the confusion in different Bible VERSIONS. Who created this Bible versions and cherry pick words they want into it?
We can know if it is soul and body or spirit and body when we read the original text and not VERSIONS created by different doctrines.
We should look at what other books said especially one in africa.

See what Yoruba tradition describe soul and spirit as.
They said soul means eleda, If you are a Yoruba you will know from the pronunciation of “eleda” it means creator. So who created the creator?

Uchesis:
Spirits don't burn bro.

The Maker and Owner has said He will burn it, so you can not say otherwise especially as you are not the one who made spirit, so you do not know and can not know.

LilMissFavvy:
Jesus clearly tells you to not fear who can hurt the body, that you should be concerned about who can destroy the soul, meaning your spirit, I went further to explain that some Bible versions mention spirit. So what's difficult to understand that you are bringing in Yoruba? How does what Yoruba say concern the Bible? I do not understand Yoruba, everything you typed so far does not even relate to your question which I replied and showed you what Jesus said. I have not even read your long messages, because they are not scriptures.

Do we have 2 Jesus? Soul and spirit doesn’t mean same thing even in Hebrew.
Why are their different versions of the same saying?
Who created the version and which one can we know is right?

You told me what Jesus said in a book VERSION, and I told you what the Yoruba said in their book VERSION, what’s hard to comprehend?

LilMissFavvy:
Jesus clearly tells you to not fear who can hurt the body, that you should be concerned about who can destroy the soul, meaning your spirit, I went further to explain that some Bible versions mention spirit. So what's difficult to understand that you are bringing in Yoruba? How does what Yoruba say concern the Bible? I do not understand Yoruba, everything you typed so far does not even relate to your question which I replied and showed you what Jesus said. I have not even read your long messages, because they are not scriptures.

Which Bible version ma’am did you see “body and spirit” all the versions I’ve been seeing only talk “body and soul”
Which part of the Bible did they say soul mean spirit and was used interchangeably?

LilMissFavvy:
Mathew 10:28 " fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul, but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell" . Some Bible versions will say destroy both spirit and body in hell . However, In the scriptures you will observe that soul and spirit is often used interchangeably, and mean the same thing in such instances when it's used.

It shouldn't matter to you what the spirit is made of, because He that made it, said he has power to destroy it.

That's why I tell believers, rather than engage in unnecessary arguments, obey the commandments of God, do good and wait for Jesus's return, simple, since too many churches have sprang up, with different doctrines. It is not the doctrines that will save you nor the arguments, if you obey the word of God, then you have nothing to worry concerning what will happen when Jesus returns.

Can you mention the Bible versions or show us, that says “ body and spirit” in that verse instead of “body and soul”
Name them. And also show us where it was used interchangeably..

Are believers synonymous with lying shamelessly.

Mat. 8: 36 answers all your questions, they are Jesus words, the new testament. "What shall it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his own soul ? So you do not know that Jesus was referring to what remains after the body dies , wether you call it soul or Spirit is not important, what is important is that Jesus said the soul of sinners will face eternal damnation, and I have showed you with proof that Bible has used the terms interchangeably in some places, and they mean the same thing. Yet you looking for bible versions, more than the very words of Jesus. " You can go look for whatever Bible versions you wish.

Apply common sense and read the first scriptures I posted where Jesus said we should only fear he who can destroy "both body and soul"..... Compare it with Mat8:36, which mentioned, to lose one's soul, so what do you think Jesus was referring to when he mentioned to lose soul? You think he was talking about your physical body? Has Bible ever placed emphasis on physical body.?

Maynman:
Can you mention the Bible versions or show us, that says “ body and spirit” in that verse instead of “body and soul”
Name them. And also show us where it was used interchangeably..

Are believers synonymous with lying shamelessly.

LilMissFavvy:
Mat. 8: 36 answers all your questions, they are Jesus words, the new testament. "What shall it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his own soul ? So you do not know that Jesus was referring to what remains after the body dies , wether you call it soul or Spirit is not important, what is important is that Jesus said the soul of sinners will face eternal damnation, and I have showed you with proof that Bible has used the terms interchangeably in some places, and they mean the same thing. Yet you looking for bible versions, more than the very words of Jesus. " You can go look for whatever Bible versions you wish.

Apply common sense and read the first scriptures I posted where Jesus said we should only fear he who can destroy "both body and soul"..... Compare it with Mat8:36, which mentioned, to lose one's soul, so what do you think Jesus was referring to when he mentioned to lose soul? You think he was talking about your physical body? Has Bible ever placed emphasis on physical body.?

Quickly tell me the Bible versions where they wrote “body and spirit”
That shouldn’t be a problem for a honest Christian.

LilMissFavvy:
Mat. 8: 36 answers all your questions, they are Jesus words, the new testament. "What shall it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his own soul ? So you do not know that Jesus was referring to what remains after the body dies , wether you call it soul or Spirit is not important, what is important is that Jesus said the soul of sinners will face eternal damnation, and I have showed you with proof that Bible has used the terms interchangeably in some places, and they mean the same thing. Yet you looking for bible versions, more than the very words of Jesus. " You can go look for whatever Bible versions you wish.

Apply common sense and read the first scriptures I posted where Jesus said we should only fear he who can destroy "both body and soul"..... Compare it with Mat8:36, which mentioned, to lose one's soul, so what do you think Jesus was referring to when he mentioned to lose soul? You think he was talking about your physical body? Has Bible ever placed emphasis on physical body.?

Bible was written in Hebrew, what’s soul translated to in Hebrew?

Good question OP. Lemme tell a little story...

So there's this kingdom somewhere with many enemies. These enemies are creating so much problem that they have to install a new king specifically to defeat them. Which of these is true of those enemies

A) They are non-concrete things like "anger", "lack of sleep", etc

B) They are concrete, but inanimate things like an overgrown forest that needs to be "conquered"

C) They are real persons antagonizing the kingdom. They need to be defeated ASAP!

Pls note your answer here, and don't change it up at all no matter what happens, because this particular answer is devoid of bias and is very honest, since you don't know exactly yet whose story I'm telling you.

Anyways:

NKJV Ps 110:1: "¹ A Psalm of David. The LORD said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.”"

NKJV 1Co 15:25-26: "²⁵ For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. ²⁶ The last enemy that will be destroyed is death."

I just told you the story of Jesus. The passage you quoted is the actual fulfillment of Jesus defeating "death" his enemy. You know your original answer? Exactly!

To you death may be something inanimate, that can't be cast into a fire, but not so to God and Jesus. Similar for hell to being something literal as well...

You mind if i counter with another question tho? In this passage:

NKJV Mt 8:29: "²⁹ And suddenly they cried out, saying, “What have we to do with You, Jesus, You Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before the time?”"

What sort of "torment" were the demons afraid of? Actual literal torment was scaring them, or just something figurative and non-existent? Was there an actual time in future referred to by them, or they were just lying?

Choose your answer carefully

cornelboy:
Revelation 20:14
[14]And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Are hell and death something that could be cast and burn in fire?
Or does the lake of fire symbolise something else?

Read vs 37, and see the question Jesus asked. Jesus asked what a man can give in exchange to his soul, of course the disciples understood that question, that Jesus was trying to say that no loss on earth, can be greater the loss of having your soul lost in eternal damnation of hell.

Maynman:
Can you mention the Bible versions or show us, that says “ body and spirit” in that verse instead of “body and soul”
Name them. And also show us where it was used interchangeably..

Are believers synonymous with lying shamelessly.

LilMissFavvy:
Read vs 37, and see the question Jesus asked. Jesus asked what a man can give in exchange to his soul, of course the disciples understood that question, that Jesus was trying to say that no loss on earth, can be greater the loss of having your soul lost in eternal damnation of hell.

Quickly tell me the Bible versions where they wrote “body and spirit”
That shouldn’t be a problem for a honest Christian.

I am not here to show you Bible versions, I am here to show you Jesus words then it's left for you to take it or continue to argue. What remains after one dies is what Bible is referring to.

Maynman:
Quickly tell me the Bible versions where they wrote “body and spirit”
That shouldn’t be a problem for a honest Christian.

LilMissFavvy:
I am not here to show you Bible versions, I am here to show you Jesus words then it's left for you to take it or continue to argue. What remains after one dies is what Bible is referring to.

Quickly tell me the Bible versions where they wrote “body and spirit”. And where they wrote soul is equal to spirit.
That shouldn’t be a problem for a honest Christian.

Are believers synonymous with lying shamelessly?

LilMissFavvy:
I am not here to show you Bible versions, I am here to show you Jesus words then it's left for you to take it or continue to argue. What remains after one dies is what Bible is referring to.

You can’t show me cause no Bible version said so, Bible was written in Hebrew, and in Hebrew soul and spirit means different thing. Learn.
Is this how Christianity operate? Show me where you saw “body and spirit” you can’t?

I thought you said Jesus never said that sinners will burn in hell, that the spirit cannot burn in hell, yet when I showed you, you suddenly begin to ask questions that sound very silly'. What else would Jesus refer to if not what remains when the body decays in the grave? Call it spirit or soul, it is what remains after the body is gone that faces damnation in hell.

Maynman:
Quickly tell me the Bible versions where they wrote “body and spirit”
That shouldn’t be a problem for a honest Christian.

LilMissFavvy:
I thought you said Jesus never said that sinners will burn in hell, that the spirit cannot burn in hell, yet when I showed you, you suddenly begin to ask questions that sound very silly'. What else would Jesus refer to if not what remains when the body decays in the grave? Call it spirit or soul, it is what remains after the body is gone that faces damnation in hell.

Shameless liar, I never said such Maybe you are confusing me with another person, I understand
Grabbing to straws now

Spirit and soul means different thing, It is written all over your Bible.

LilMissFavvy:
I thought you said Jesus never said that sinners will burn in hell, that the spirit cannot burn in hell, yet when I showed you, you suddenly begin to ask questions that sound very silly'. What else would Jesus refer to if not what remains when the body decays in the grave? Call it spirit or soul, it is what remains after the body is gone that faces damnation in hell.

This is what I asked, you just jumped into argument and all you can say were lies.
Show me the Bible versions where they said “body and spirit” don turn problem.

Jesus used the word soul in the scriptures refering to the spirit, that is what remains when the body dies. After death, the body decays, and the spirit/soul remains. If you read those scriptures, yet you still cannot understand, then it's a big Pity.

The soul cannot be touched with the hands, so it's actually interwoven with the spirit. The body can be touched. I am not reading your screenshots about what soul is, but I was thought that soul refers to our mind and thought processes. The soul is interwoven with the spirit, that's why Jesus used soul and spirit interchangeably. Spirits of all kinds, even demons, actually have a mind and ability to think (soul). That's why when Jesus casted a legion of demonic spirits from the man, Bible says the demons cried out, ran, located a herd of swine's, then dwelt there. Meaning that the demons can think. They saw a herd of swine's, and decided to dwell in the swine's.

Maynman:
Quickly tell me the Bible versions where they wrote “body and spirit”. And where they wrote soul is equal to spirit.
That shouldn’t be a problem for a honest Christian.

Are believers synonymous with lying shamelessly?

LilMissFavvy:
Jesus used the word soul in the scriptures refering to the spirit, that is what remains when the body dies. After death, the body decays, and the spirit/soul remains. If you read those scriptures, yet you still cannot understand, then it's a big Pity.

The soul cannot be touched with the hands, so it's actually interwoven with the spirit. The body can be touched. I am not reading your screenshots about what soul is, but I was thought that soul refers to our mind and thought processes. The soul is interwoven with the spirit, that's why Jesus used soul and spirit interchangeably. Spirits of all kinds, even demons, actually have a mind and ability to think (soul). That's why when Jesus casted a legion of demonic spirits from the man, Bible says the demons cried out, ran, located a herd of swine's, then dwelt there. Meaning that the demons can think. They saw a herd of swine's, and decided to dwell in the swine's.

There’s no where Jesus referred to soul as spirit, it’s written all over your Bible and explained what each means.
Is this how Christianity operates? Full of Lies and deceit.
https://www.christianity.com/wiki/salvation/difference-between-a-soul-and-a-spirit.html?amp=1


Even from the hogwash pig analysis you gave you have contradicted yourself.

LilMissFavvy:
Jesus used the word soul in the scriptures refering to the spirit, that is what remains when the body dies. After death, the body decays, and the spirit/soul remains. If you read those scriptures, yet you still cannot understand, then it's a big Pity.

The soul cannot be touched with the hands, so it's actually interwoven with the spirit. The body can be touched. I am not reading your screenshots about what soul is, but I was thought that soul refers to our mind and thought processes. The soul is interwoven with the spirit, that's why Jesus used soul and spirit interchangeably. Spirits of all kinds, even demons, actually have a mind and ability to think (soul). That's why when Jesus casted a legion of demonic spirits from the man, Bible says the demons cried out, ran, located a herd of swine's, then dwelt there. Meaning that the demons can think. They saw a herd of swine's, and decided to dwell in the swine's.

Quickly tell me the Bible versions where they wrote “body and spirit”. And where they wrote soul is equal to spirit.

tctrills:
Well that's your personal interpretation.
Daniel 12.2
2And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
The destroyed can not suffer everlasting contempt so clearly, you are wrong. I choose to believe Prophet Daniel

I need to ask you this first; what happens after death?

cornelboy:
I need to ask you this first; what happens after death?

The body is laid to rest and the spirit goes back to God.

tctrills:
The body is laid to rest and the spirit goes back to God.

What about the soul?

cornelboy:
What about the soul?

The soul is the body and spirit together but in some verses, it is used interchangeably with the spirit. Why the question?

tctrills:
The soul is the body and spirit together but in some verses, it is used interchangeably with the spirit. Why the question?

Show me the verses where it was used interchangeably?

It's just question. But I have my reasons for asking.

cornelboy:
Show me the verses where it was used interchangeably?

It's just question. But I have my reasons for asking.

I would do so but let's not divert, please.

tctrills:
I would do so but let's not divert, please.

I’m also eager to see verses where it was used interchangeably.

Maynman:
It’s your brothers in watchtower that told you that Esu is Satan right. And eleda is angel.
Keep obeying facts from your masters(brothers) in watchtower.

You're a clown!
Who told you i was born a JW?
I was born a Muslim and my mom's family was from an Ifá traditional religion so i only learned about Jesus of Nazareth from Watchtower.
I had the knowledge of Yorùbá traditional religion from my mother's family that's why i asked you to tell me just one ORÍKÌ of any Yorùbá deity if truly you know anything about the tradition you're claiming!

Maynman:
I’m also eager to see verses where it was used interchangeably.

Job 14.22, psalms 16.10,

MaxInDHouse:
You're a clown!
Who told you i was born a JW?
I was born a Muslim and my mom's family was from an Ifá traditional religion so i only learned about Jesus of Nazareth from Watchtower.
I had the knowledge of Yorùbá traditional religion from my mother's family that's why i asked you to tell me just one ORÍKÌ of any Yorùbá deity if truly you know anything about the tradition you're claiming!

You are a shameless liar, who said you were born a JWs? Petty liar
You have zero knowledge of Yoruba oriki or tradition. If you do you won’t call esu, satan and eleda means an angel. Mention the Yoruba books you read that you got from watchtower.

Aren’t you ashamed? How can you be lying to yourself this much? Don’t you have conscience?