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Mikee19:
I'll certainly mention you at that time. I used the New World Translation which JWs used, but the book I'm writing is yet to be completed. Stay tuned

Why use the New World Translation in particular? Is this JW-related
expose or what?

Mikee19:
Version ooo. Translation ooo. Doesn't matter to the point I'm trying to make. Use whatever a person believes is best to show them what's true with God's word. It'll always work!

Why use fake? When you can use the original? Are you not looking for the truth?

Because it won't matter in the end. JWs believe Jesus isn't God. So, use their own version/translation to prove them wrong. Makes it harder abi? But it's a better way to prove it if it can be done, don't you think? Much better and clearer. This, exactly, is why!

Maynman:
Why use fake? When you can use the original? Are you not looking for the truth?

Mikee19:
Because it won't matter in the end. JWs believe Jesus isn't God. So, use their own version/translation to prove them wrong. Makes it harder abi? But it's a better way to prove it if it can be done, don't you think? Much better and clearer. This, exactly, is why!

Elohim is different from Yahweh. Elohim is the father of Yahweh, And they are both “God”, as “God” is a title not a person. They may be right in not calling jesus, God.

No it's not. To make my job "harder". But more convincing!

Kobojunkie:
Why use the New World Translation in particular? Is this JW-related
expose or what?

Mikee19:
Because it won't matter in the end. JWs believe Jesus isn't God. So, use their own version/translation to prove them wrong. Makes it harder abi? But it's a better way to prove it if it can be done, don't you think? Much better and clearer. This, exactly, is why!

If you know the history of the Bible you won’t say “translation” or “versions” don’t matter.
Who translated the Bible to English language, KJV? A Jehovah witness.
Also, kjv is the basis of all English language Bible. The Jehovah witness know the KJV version more than any Christian sect, they own it. They will always beat you at it.

Maynman:
Elohim is different from Yahweh. Elohim is the father of Yahweh, And they are both “God”, as “God” is a title not a person. They may be right in not calling jesus, God.

Why not hold on and see? it was a thorough job

Mikee19:
Why not hold on and see? it was a thorough job

They know the English Bible more than you, which ever version you want to use in English, they will still beat you. Channel that energy to something useful.

Makes it all the more sweeter with what I've done
meaning I did the impossible!

Maynman:
If you know the history of the Bible you won’t say “translation” or “versions” don’t matter.
Who translated the Bible to English language, KJV? A Jehovah witness.
Also, kjv is the basis of all English language Bible. The Jehovah witness know the KJV version more than any Christian sect, they own it. They will always beat you at it.

I'm not here to boast. I studied with them. I know the outcome already. We shall see...

Maynman:
They know the English Bible more than you, which ever version you want to use in English, they will still beat you. Channel that energy to something useful.

Mikee19:
I'm not here to boast. I studied with them. I know the outcome already. We shall see...

Carry on with the fallen watchers of yaldaboath.

Maynman:
Carry on with the fallen watchers of yaldaboath.

Mikee19:
I'm writing a book. I'll drop excerpts here in this forum. I used the New World Translation primarily. It's so clear it'll need no arguing. But let's not get ahead of ourselves. Till then...

That's not how JWs agree on scriptural topics!

We sit down as a group believing Jesus is with us {Matthew 18:20} using the Holy Spirit to direct our thoughts on the matter of discussion {John 16:12-13} so after we discuss thoroughly with fervent prayer there will be peace among us! John 14:26-27

If you read the Bible from now till tomorrow your conclusion is of no practical benefits to others who never sat with you to discuss what was written, that's why God's word said we must reason together {Isaiah 1:18} before we can grasp the message in the Bible {Proverbs 2:1-5} it's when we're able to come to agreement and peace reign {Isaiah 2:2-4} that God will command His angels to pen down our names for doing a good job! Malachi 3:16

So never think that what you alone concluded after reading the Bible is sufficient enough to convince anyone because if truly anyone is convinced they should be able to form a group of preaching and teaching team doing what Jesus said must be done in the last days! Matthew 24:14

Well that wasn't directed towards you. I didn't even intend to speak so much about it, but Ken4Christ kept pushing by misunderstanding what i don't even get. Repeated misunderstanding of what i was saying kept me talking about things I didn't intend to (in fact i clearly said that i never intended to discuss it here from the outset).

You and I discuss quite well. When the time comes we'll again do so. Have a lovely day

MaxInDHouse:
That's not how JWs agree on scriptural topics!

We sit down as a group believing Jesus is with us {Matthew 18:20} using the Holy Spirit to direct our thoughts on the matter of discussion {John 16:12-13} so after we discuss thoroughly with fervent prayer there will be peace among us! John 14:26-27

If you read the Bible from now till tomorrow your conclusion is of no practical benefits to others who never sat with you to discuss what was written, that's why God's word said we must reason together {Isaiah 1:18} before we can grasp the message in the Bible {Proverbs 2:1-5} it's when we're able to come to agreement and peace reign {Isaiah 2:2-4} that God will command His angels to pen down our names for doing a good job! Malachi 3:16

So never think that what you alone concluded after reading the Bible is sufficient enough to convince anyone because if truly anyone is convinced they should be able to form a group of preaching and teaching team doing what Jesus said must be done in the last days! Matthew 24:14

Mikee19:
Well that wasn't directed towards you. I didn't even intend to speak so much about it, but Ken4Christ kept pushing by misunderstanding what i don't even get. Repeated misunderstanding of what i was saying kept me talking about things I didn't intend to (in fact i clearly said that i never intended to discuss it here from the outset).
You and I discuss quite well. When the time comes we'll again do so. Have a lovely day

What most people failed to understand is that all those workers of iniquity they're hailing as pastors or men of God are deceitful.
They are talented motivational speakers who knows how to convince gullible people into following them to destruction. Each just wake up from nightmare and the next thing is they start writing books based on what they read in the Bible and by the end of the day they are revered as pastors in the society.

But what exactly makes them WORKERS OF INIQUITY?

Well the Bible says Jesus is the only begotten Son of God through whom we can gain eternal life. So all his followers are disciples PREACHING and TEACHING in their neighbourhood, that's what the inhabitants of Antioch saw before giving them that group name "CHRISTIANS" Act 11:26
So if Kumuyi, Adeboye, Oyedepo, Oyakilome and co can't form one single group practicing that to make disciples who are also preaching and teaching in all their neighbourhood along with them {Matthew 28:19-20} then they're nothing but deceitful workers worshiping Mammon (Riches) Matthew 6:24

What is expected as the fruit Christianity should produce is a group of people who are all zealous preachers and industrious teachers of what Jesus taught them {Matthew 7:16-18} so no matter what anybody write as a book, no matter how much he rated Jesus in his book once he's not a member of any preaching team known within his neighbourhood, such a person is not a Christian! Matthew 7:21-23

That's why Jesus told the young man who said he has been observing all what is written in the laws but refused to join Jesus' preaching team due to his wealth that he cannot see God's Kingdom! Luke 18:18-23

Do have a lovely day!

MaxInDHouse:
What most people failed to understand is that all those workers of iniquity they're hailing as pastors or men of God are deceitful.
They are talented motivational speakers who knows how to convince gullible people into following them to destruction. Each just wake up from nightmare and the next thing is they start writing books based on what they read in the Bible and by the end of the day they are revered as pastors in the society.

But what exactly makes them WORKERS OF INIQUITY?

Well the Bible says Jesus is the only begotten Son of God through whom we can gain eternal life. So all his followers are disciples PREACHING and TEACHING in their neighbourhood, that's what the inhabitants of Antioch saw before giving them that group name "CHRISTIANS" Act 11:26
So if Kumuyi, Adeboye, Oyedepo, Oyakilome and co can't form one single group practicing that to make disciples who are also preaching and teaching in all their neighbourhood along with them {Matthew 28:19-20} then they're nothing but deceitful workers worshiping Mammon (Riches) Matthew 6:24

What is expected as the fruit Christianity should produce is a group of people who are all zealous preachers and industrious teachers of what Jesus taught them {Matthew 7:16-18} so no matter what anybody write as a book, no matter how much he rated Jesus in his book once he's not a member of any preaching team known within his neighbourhood, such a person is not a Christian! Matthew 7:21-23

That's why Jesus told the young man who said he has been observing all what is written in the laws but refused to join Jesus' preaching team due to his wealth that he cannot see God's Kingdom! Luke 18:18-23

Do have a lovely day!

How do you go about preaching and teaching about Jesus who you deny did not rise up from the dead bodily? How do you represent Jesus on earth when you deny his teachings on eternal destiny. Jesus revealed there is hell. You say there is no such thing. Jesus said he is coming back, you said he is not coming back. That he already came back.

You are an anti Christ. An agent of darkness disguised as ministers of light.

Please, repent and give your life to Christ before it's too late.

Mikee19:
Ken4Christ mehn, communication is hard o! See me sweating to communicate that I know all this just that it's not my emphasis! First get them to see he isn't an angel! All these extra steps, not sure what you're trying to achieve with me! I'm saved. i teach salvation that way. Again, I know and agree!

I wonder how possible it is to communicate my point with you again. Pls what don't you understand? What exactly are you replying to gan gan? Pls nairalanders, your help is needed in communication o!

Are you born again? If not, do you want to be born again so I can guide you. It is the most important decision you must make in life.

Ken4Christ:
How do you go about preaching and teaching about Jesus who you deny did not rise up from the dead bodily? How do you represent Jesus on earth when you deny his teachings on eternal destiny. Jesus revealed there is hell. You say there is no such thing. Jesus said he is coming back, you said he is not coming back. That he already came back.

You are an anti Christ. An agent of darkness disguised as ministers of light.

Please, repent and give your life to Christ before it's too late.

The JWs(fallen watchers) are the one truly worshipping Yahweh aka yaldaboath.

I tried so hard to tell you that I ALREADY AM!
I really dunno how to get thru to you. I guess I'll just stop trying.
Cheers

Ken4Christ:
Are you born again? If not, do you want to be born again so I can guide you. It is the most important decision you must make in life.

You have missed the big one! And again this is what I tried and tried, very unsuccessfully, to get thru to you!

They believe JESUS IS ANGEL MICHAEL!

They believe this is what "son of God" means!

If they believe in a bodily resurrection or not, IT STILL CANNOT SAVE THEM!

I really cannot get thru to you.

Cheers!

Ken4Christ:
How do you go about preaching and teaching about Jesus who you deny did not rise up from the dead bodily? How do you represent Jesus on earth when you deny his teachings on eternal destiny. Jesus revealed there is hell. You say there is no such thing. Jesus said he is coming back, you said he is not coming back. That he already came back.

You are an anti Christ. An agent of darkness disguised as ministers of light.

Please, repent and give your life to Christ before it's too late.

Mikee19:
You have missed the big one! And again this is what I tried and tried, very unsuccessfully, to get thru to you!

They believe JESUS IS ANGEL MICHAEL!

They believe this is what "son of God" means!

If they believe in a bodily resurrection or not, IT STILL CANNOT SAVE THEM!

I really cannot get thru to you.

Cheers!

If they believe with their heart that God raised Jesus from the dead and confess same with their mouth, they will be saved according to the scripture.

Maynman:
The JWs(fallen watchers) are the one truly worshipping Yahweh aka yaldaboath.

They are the number one agent of darkness on earth today. They deny virtually every truth in the Bible. It shall never be well with Russell who brainwashed you all. He is already in hell suffering severe punishment. And you will join him if you don't repent.

Ken4Christ:
They are the number one agent of darkness on earth today. They deny virtually every truth in the Bible. It shall never be well with Russell who brainwashed you all. He is already in hell suffering severe punishment. And you will join him if you don't repent.

It’s you that’s been brainwashed. The first English Bible was created by who? A Jehovah witness.
Which VERSION of the English Bible are you using? You see the irony? You are using a version and you are talking about brainwashing bwahahahah.

The truth is the Jehovah witness knows the English Bible more than anyone, they created the version.

Ken4Christ:
If they believe with their heart that God raised Jesus from the dead and confess same with their mouth, they will be saved according to the scripture.

If they believe that Jesus is THE SON OF GOD!

NKJV Joh 20:31: "³¹ but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name."

Believing that Jesus is the Christ and the SON OF GOD is what gives life

NKJV 1Jo 4:15: "¹⁵ Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God."

Confessing that Jesus is the son of God is what gets a person saved


NKJV 1Jo 5:13: "¹³ These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God."

Believing in the name of the son of God is what saves!

Again:

BELIEF THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD IS ESSENTIAL TO SALVATION!

You do believe the scriptures don't you??

You know what this means? If the Bible defines "son of God" as God, and someone believes Jesus is an angel, then according to the Bible he DOES NOT BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD!

HE BELIEVES SOMETHING ELSE!

THEREFORE IT CANNOT SAVE HIM!

If the Bible defines son of God as "an angel, Michael", then those that believe that he is God CANNOT BE SAVED, Because they do not believe Jesus is the son of God AS DEFINED BY THE BIBLE!

They believe something else!

Belief that Jesus is the son of God, again, is ESSENTIAL TO SALVATION! And "son of God" will only mean what the Bible itself says it will mean!!

If someone believes that "son of God" means "demon", and therefore believes that Jesus is a demon, can he be saved since to him he believes that "Jesus is the son of God"?

NO!

Again, THIS IS MY POINT!

Son of God must be WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS IT IS!

And this belief that Jesus is the Son of God is ESSENTIAL TO SALVATION!

1 John dealt extensively with these issues. Trying to reduce the authority of Jesus (saying he isn't Lord). Trying to say he isn't God's Son. Trying to say he didn't manifest in the flesh.

Reducing his authority will NOT save sir. Pls read the scriptures

Ken4Christ:
If they believe with their heart that God raised Jesus from the dead and confess same with their mouth, they will be saved according to the scripture.

Ken4Christ When the Bible says to believe "Jesus is Lord", that's what it means! If you believe he's an angel you really don't believe he is Lord as defined by scriptures. Such won't be saved. This is why the devil tries so hard to obscure this truth about Jesus

Mikee19:
If they believe that Jesus is THE SON OF GOD!

NKJV Joh 20:31: "³¹ but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name."

Believing that Jesus is the Christ and the SON OF GOD is what gives life

NKJV 1Jo 4:15: "¹⁵ Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God."

Confessing that Jesus is the son of God is what gets a person saved


NKJV 1Jo 5:13: "¹³ These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God."

Believing in the name of the son of God is what saves!

Again:

BELIEF THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD IS ESSENTIAL TO SALVATION!

You do believe the scriptures don't you??

You know what this means? If the Bible defines "son of God" as God, and someone believes Jesus is an angel, then according to the Bible he DOES NOT BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD!

HE BELIEVES SOMETHING ELSE!

THEREFORE IT CANNOT SAVE HIM!

If the Bible defines son of God as "an angel, Michael", then those that believe that he is God CANNOT BE SAVED, Because they do not believe Jesus is the son of God AS DEFINED BY THE BIBLE!

They believe something else!

Belief that Jesus is the son of God, again, is ESSENTIAL TO SALVATION! And "son of God" will only mean what the Bible itself says it will mean!!

If someone believes that "son of God" means "demon", and therefore believes that Jesus is a demon, can he be saved since to him he believes that "Jesus is the son of God"?

NO!

Again, THIS IS MY POINT!

Son of God must be WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS IT IS!

And this belief that Jesus is the Son of God is ESSENTIAL TO SALVATION!

The template for salvation has been going to us. Apostle Paul was the one who understood the mystery of salvation.

Off course, you have to believe that Jesus is the Son of God. But not everyone who believes Jesus is the Son of God is saved. Even the devil believes and trembles. But the devil is not saved.

The simple template of salvation is stated in Romans 10:9-10 which reads;

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Step 1 - Believe in your heart that God raised Jesus from the dead.

Step 2 - Confess same and declare that Jesus is the Lord of your life.

So many worshippers especially in otherdoz churches believe that Jesus is the Son of God but they are not saved or born again because they have not acted as requested above.

John the beloved did say he that believes that Jesus is the Son of God has eternal life. This was his level of revelation. Apostle Paul had a deeper revelation which is linked to the death and resurrection of our Lord Jesus. And this is where the anchor of the Christian faith lies.

Ken4Christ communication with you is always my problem. Why do you always have to say OTHER THINGS that i agree with, that I'm not fighting with you over, and neglect MY MAIN POINT!

Again my main point is this:

You said if they believe Jesus is an angel but that he was raised from the dead bodily, they are saved

This is FALSE!

This is all i was concerned abt showing and I've done that.

Peace!

Kobojunkie, Maynman are you guys following this interchange btw me and Ken4Christ? Do you think he is deliberately trying to misunderstand me? Very very difficult communication. Dunno when last i spoke with anyone like this...

Almost feels like it's a bot at the other end and not a real person

Mikee19:
are you guys following this interchange btw me and Ken4Christ? Do you think he is deliberately trying to misunderstand me? Very very difficult communication. Dunno when last i spoke with anyone like this...

ROFLMAO

Ken4Christ:
How do you go about preaching and teaching about Jesus who you deny did not rise up from the dead bodily? How do you represent Jesus on earth when you deny his teachings on eternal destiny. Jesus revealed there is hell. You say there is no such thing. Jesus said he is coming back, you said he is not coming back. That he already came back.
You are an anti Christ. An agent of darkness disguised as ministers of light.
Please, repent and give your life to Christ before it's too late.

I can see that you're having serious issues with those that agreed with you in some areas and that's sign of confusion {Luke 11:23} so what is the group name of those you're working with that are preaching this your own Jesus with oneness of mind? John 17:22

I present the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses so if you want to know about the group that's unitedly preaching and teaching the same thing globally, the group that doesn't participate in politics and military services to kill their neighbours {Matthew 26:52} the group that's known worldwide for their activities as preachers and teachers of God's word everywhere they are {Act 1:8} i can only think of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Please tell me the name of your own group àbí your own Jesus is a confused one that can't use his spirit to unite his workers as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers? Isaiah 2:2-4; Matthew 12:46-50