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RoyalDiadems:
God's kingdom is within us. It's here on Earth - Luke 21:17. Jesus promised Paradise to the thief - that's the kingdom of heaven.

God's kingdom is same as kingdom of heaven and the kingdom will come to earth in the future to establish God's rule on earth.

Paradise is new world free of evil, death, struggle, pain, sickness, tears etc.

The thief doesn't have what it takes to enter the kingdom of heaven, he wasn't born again.

RoyalDiadems:
It seems you're a baby Christian. To be born again is to be saved. There's no separating between the two.
To be baptised in the Holy Spirit is to be endued with power to walk the earth like Jesus did. The Lord Jesus never said the baptism of the Holy Spirit makes one born again, instead He said it fills one with power - Acts 1:8.
If you're not born again, you cannot be baptised in the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit Baptism is only for the saved.

Being saved is different from being born again.
Born again means born of the spirit not saved.

Your saved when you hear the word and believed Roman 10:9&10.

Your now qualified to be born of the spirit through the holy spirit.

Your an adult Christian? Wetin I know, you no know ⅒.

RoyalDiadems:
In the case of Lazarus, I want you to know that the spirits of dead men according to Jewish tradition, remain on earth for 40days before ascending to eternity. I'm not sure of this, but I know that the spirit could be recalled to re-inhabit the body from wherever it may be.

Now, I have shown you what I know and believe according to scriptures. The scriptures never told us explicitly about these things. We're drawing inferences from various verses or scripture.

Whatever may be the destination of spirits after death shouldn't be a matter of concern to us. Whatever you believe about life after death does not have any impact on your eternity. Since you have been moulded to think about this topic in the way you do, I know that there is no amount of scripture references that can change your perspective. So, hold on to what you believe, I'll hold on to mine.

We're not expected to know everything about everything while on this earthly plane.

"The secret things belong to God, but the things that are revealed are for us and for our children." Deut. 29:29.

I'll also hold on to what I believe except the Lord reveals otherwise.

The Almighty God would help us through His Holy Spirit to be counted worthy of eternity with Christ and His saints in Jesus name.

The dead are conscious of nothing! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

Nothing survives us at death because we are DEAD and the only hope is a call back to life! Job 14:13-15
Thanks!

MaxInDHouse:
The dead are conscious of nothing! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

Nothing survives us at death because we are DEAD and the only hope is a call back to life! Job 14:13-15
Thanks!

No.one is disputing that with you. Thanks.

cornelboy:
Being saved is different from being born again.
Born again means born of the spirit not saved.

Your saved when you hear the word and believed Roman 10:9&10.

Your now qualified to be born of the spirit through the holy spirit.

Your an adult Christian? Wetin I know, you no know ⅒.

Go back to your Sunday school teacher. This is general knowledge amongst believers all over the world.

To be saved is to be born again or born of the Spirit. He is a new creature because of his new birth by the Spirit.

To be baptised is to be endued with power. It comes with the evidence of speaking in tongues.

Thanks for your time.

cornelboy:
God's kingdom is same as kingdom of heaven and the kingdom will come to earth in the future to establish God's rule on earth.

Paradise is new world free of evil, death, struggle, pain, sickness, tears etc.

The thief doesn't have what it takes to enter the kingdom of heaven, he wasn't born again.

The Kingdom of Heaven is where God dwells right now. That's why Christ is seated on the right hand of majesty (Heb 1:2).

The Kingdom of God is within you, not the Kingdom of heaven.

Please study your Bible for more clarifications on this. I myself was confused about these concepts in the 90s. I had to research the Word of God as well as the teachings of true men of God to be able to differentiate between the 2.

If you say that the thief didn't enter paradise that day as the Lord Jesus promised Him, then, you make the Lord Jesus a liar, and the Bible a book of falsehood.

RoyalDiadems:
Go back to your Sunday school teacher. This is general knowledge amongst believers all over the world.
To be saved is to be born again or born of the Spirit. He is a new creature because of his new birth by the Spirit.
To be baptised is to be endued with power. It comes with the evidence of speaking in tongues.
Thanks for your time.

I stick to what the Bible says not general knowledge.
Because it is generally, doesn't mean it's the truth.

Like in John 17:3 when Jesus was praying to the Father, he said the Father us the one true God. Paul also emphasized on it that the Father is the one God there's 1 Corinthians 8:5&6 and Ephesians 4:6.
Even Peter said God the Father made Jesus Lord and Messiah Acts 2:36.

Today, what's the general belief?
You say God is three persons. Like the son and the holy spirit has to join the Father for Him to be complete as one God in three persons.

I wonder where you guys get these phrase from;
God the son

God the holy spirit

RoyalDiadems:
The Kingdom of Heaven is where God dwells right now. That's why Christ is seated on the right hand of majesty (Heb 1:2).

The Kingdom of God is within you, not the Kingdom of heaven.

Please study your Bible for more clarifications on this. I myself was confused about these concepts in the 90s. I had to research the Word of God as well as the teachings of true men of God to be able to differentiate between the 2.

If you say that the thief didn't enter paradise that day as the Lord Jesus promised Him, then, you make the Lord Jesus a liar, and the Bible a book of falsehood.

You are free to believe whatever you want.
I'll hold on to the truth.

cornelboy:
You got all wrong. The apostles were already saved (already believed) before they got the holy spirit.

If you said they were already born again before the day of Pentecost, how did it happen because without the holy spirit, you can't be born again according to Jesus's explanation at John 3.

Everyone saved is born again is saved, and has the Holy Spirit in Him. He has the "Spirit of sonship whereby he cries Aba Father."

Everyone saved is born of the spirit and could call God Father.

Baptism or the Holy Spirit is to be ushered and immersed into the power of God. This experience is only for those who are born again, saved, washed in the blood of the lamb.

RoyalDiadems:
Everyone saved is born again is saved, and has the Holy Spirit in Him. He has the "Spirit of sonship whereby he cries Aba Father."
Everyone saved is born of the spirit and could call God Father.
Baptism or the Holy Spirit is to be ushered and immersed into the power of God. This experience is only for those who are born again, saved, washed in the blood of the lamb.

You see, the holy spirit does the work of making someone born again and the 120 didn't recieve the baptism of the holy spirit before the day of Pentecost.

cornelboy:
You are free to believe whatever you want.
I'll hold on to the truth.

Then examine your beliefs in the light of scripture with a honest and sincere heart. That's the way to find the truth.

RoyalDiadems:
The Kingdom of Heaven is where God dwells right now. That's why Christ is seated on the right hand of majesty (Heb 1:2).
The Kingdom of God is within you, not the Kingdom of heaven.
Please study your Bible for more clarifications on this. I myself was confused about these concepts in the 90s. I had to research the Word of God as well as the teachings of true men of God to be able to differentiate between the 2.
If you say that the thief didn't enter paradise that day as the Lord Jesus promised Him, then, you make the Lord Jesus a liar, and the Bible a book of falsehood.

Matthew 21:31
[31]Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.

If it's within people, they don't need to go into it.
From that verse kingdom of God seensike a place People go to. We can say kingdom of God is same as kingdom of heaven.

Daniel 2:44
[44]And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

The kingdom is the kingdom of God set up in heaven.

RoyalDiadems:
Then examine your beliefs in the light of scripture with a honest and sincere heart. That's the way to find the truth.

Well tbh, I have always been doing that.

cornelboy:
You see, the holy spirit does the work of making someone born again and the 120 didn't recieve the baptism of the holy spirit before the day of Pentecost.

The Holy Spirit works in your life without announcing Himself at salvation. From the Word you heard, to the convinction of sin in your heart, to the pertinence you exhibit leading you to accept the Lord Jesus as your Lord and Savior, all are the works of the Holy Spirit. He then comes to dwell in you and lead you in a walk with Christ.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit is a different experience entirely. Someone prays or even lays hands of you to receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit. That's empowerment after the order of Acts 1:8. The Apostles experienced it twice in the book of Acts. First experience was in Acts 2,' the second experience was recorded in Acts 4. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is the foundation for growing in the anointing.

cornelboy:
Well tbh, I have always been doing that.

From what I've read from you so far, I stand in doubt of this.

cornelboy:
Matthew 21:31
[31]Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.

If it's within people, they don't need to go into it.
From that verse kingdom of God seensike a place People go to. We can say kingdom of God is same as kingdom of heaven.

Daniel 2:44
[44]And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

The kingdom is the kingdom of God set up in heaven.

The Kingdom of God is presently a spiritual place. At the close of the age, it would become a place where people would enter.

RoyalDiadems:
The Holy Spirit works in your life without announcing Himself at salvation. From the Word you heard, to the convinction of sin in your heart, to the pertinence you exhibit leading you to accept the Lord Jesus as your Lord and Savior, all are the works of the Holy Spirit. He then comes to dwell in you and lead you in a walk with Christ.
The baptism of the Holy Spirit is a different experience entirely. Someone prays or even lays hands of you to receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit. That's empowerment after the order of Acts 1:8. The Apostles experienced it twice in the book of Acts. First experience was in Acts 2,' the second experience was recorded in Acts 4. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is the foundation for growing in the anointing.

Well it's okay. It seems your saying we have two kinds of holy spirit.

RoyalDiadems:
The Kingdom of God is presently a spiritual place. At the close of the age, it would become a place where people would enter.

Well Jesus is ruling the kingdom in heaven and of course heaven is a spiritual place.

The kingdom will come according to Matthew 6:10

I thought you said it's within us before?

RoyalDiadems:
From what I've read from you so far, I stand in doubt of this.

No problem sir/ma

cornelboy:
I stick to what the Bible says not general knowledge.
Because it is generally, doesn't mean it's the truth.

Like in John 17:3 when Jesus was praying to the Father, he said the Father us the one true God. Paul also emphasized on it that the Father is the one God there's 1 Corinthians 8:5&6 and Ephesians 4:6.
Even Peter said God the Father made Jesus Lord and Messiah Acts 2:36.

Today, what's the general belief?
You say God is three persons. Like the son and the holy spirit has to join the Father for Him to be complete as one God in three persons.

I wonder where you guys get these phrase from;
God the son

God the holy spirit

Mathew 28:19
"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,"

1John 5:7
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For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word (which is the son according to John 1:1), and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one."

You're correct about general knowledge but not all is defective. Any general knowledge that's well grounded in scripture with strong scriptural backings cannot be despised.

But, the things you're talking about are strange. Absolutely unscriptural things.

cornelboy:
Well Jesus is ruling the kingdom in heaven and of course heaven is a spiritual place.

The kingdom will come according to Matthew 6:10

I thought you said it's within us before?

Jesus said it's within us, not I - Luke 21:17.

cornelboy:
Well it's okay. It seems your saying we have two kinds of holy spirit.

The same Holy Spirit. The same One who is in all Believers.

cornelboy:
Lol. The 120 became born again after getting baptized at the upper room. They were already saved because they've believed.

Only the saved (those that have believed according to Roman 10:9&10) are qualified to be born again i.e born of the Spirit through the holy spirit.

I don't what heresy you were talking about

The rebirth and the empowerment are two distinct works of the Holy Spirit in a man's life.

RoyalDiadems:
Mathew 28:19
"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,"
1John 5:7
"Version
For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word (which is the son according to John 1:1), and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one."
You're correct about general knowledge but not all is defective. Any general knowledge that's well grounded in scripture with strong scriptural backings cannot be despise
But, the things you're talking about are strange. Absolutely unscriptural things.

Like I quoted those verses from the Qur'an right?

First do your research on that 1 John 5:7 and tell me the reason why king James version added:
"the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one."
That wasn't in the original manuscript if the scripture.

When Jesus said at John 10:30 that "my Father and I are one", did he mean they are one as God? Capital NO!

John 17:22
[22]And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

Jesus was praying to God in that verse and that's the ONE he meant at John 10:30.

RoyalDiadems:
The rebirth and the empowerment are two distinct works of the Holy Spirit in a man's life.

And these holy spirits come at different times right?

RoyalDiadems:
The same Holy Spirit. The same One who is in all Believers.

Why couldn't that holy spirit that makes someone born when saved empower the person if it's the same holy spirit?

cornelboy:
Like I quoted those verses from the Qur'an right?

First do your research on that 1 John 5:7 and tell me the reason why king James version added:
"the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one."
That wasn't in the original manuscript if the scripture.

When Jesus said at John 10:30 that "my Father and I are one", did he mean they are one as God? Capital NO!

John 17:22
[22]And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

Jesus was praying to God in that verse and that's the ONE he meant at John 10:30.

You don't know Jesus.

He was man in His body, and God in His Spirit.

Why did the Jews take up stones to stone Him? Because they felt that since He said He's one with God, He has made Himself God. They saw it as blasphemy.

John 10:35, Jesus referred to the issue, and asked the why they had any issue with what He said. Referring to Pslam 82, He said:

"If He called them Gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scriptures cannot be broken..."

Jesus didn't deny the import of that statement, but instead established it.

John 1:1 clarifies it:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, AND THE WORD WAS GOD."

RoyalDiadems:
Jesus said it's within us, not I - Luke 21:17.

Jesus also said people will go there.

Maybe you should study that within us well.

cornelboy:
Jesus also said people will go there.

Maybe you should study that within us well.

Yes, it's presently a Spiritual place, it will become a physical place at the close of the age.

cornelboy:
Why couldn't that holy spirit that makes someone born when saved empower the person if it's the same holy spirit?

God doesn't impose Himself upon the will of man. You get what you ask for except on rare occasions.

Ask for salvation, you will become reborn into the family of God. Ask for power, you would be baptised in the Holy Spirit.

RoyalDiadems:
You don't know Jesus.
He was man in His body, and God in His Spirit.
Why did the Jews take up stones to stone Him? Because they felt that since He said He's one with God, He has made Himself God. They saw it as blasphemy.
John 10:35, Jesus referred to the issue, and asked the why they had any issue with what He said. Referring to Pslam 82, He said:
"If He called them Gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scriptures cannot be broken..."
Jesus didn't deny the import of that statement, but instead established it.
John 1:1 clarifies it:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, AND THE WORD WAS GOD."

That would means that, people could be called Gods and even Jesus was/is called God but Yahweh is the one true Almighty GOD.

See 1 Corinthians 8:5&6 and study it well. Paul acknowledge many Gods and Lords but explicitly explained that the Father, is the one God for them.
Jesus confirmed it at John 17:3.

RoyalDiadems:
Yes, it's presently a Spiritual place, it will become a physical place at the close of the age.

So you meant that within us means spiritual place?
What kingdom was Daniel 2:44 prophecy referring to?