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cornelboy:
So you meant that within us means spiritual place?
What kingdom was Daniel 2:44 prophecy referring to?

cornelboy:
That would means that, people could be called Gods and even Jesus was/is called God but Yahweh is the one true Almighty GOD.

See 1 Corinthians 8:5&6 and study it well. Paul acknowledge many Gods and Lords but explicitly explained that the Father, is the one God for them.
Jesus confirmed it at John 17:3.

RoyalDiadems:
My brother, you have a problem believing the Bible
Why are you saying 'I meant?" How dare I mean anything?. I only pointed you what Jesus said. You either choose to believe Jesus or believe your teachers.

cornelboy:
RoyalDiadems:

Let's examine some trinity theories attributes;
Co powerful, co equal.

God appointed Jesus. Hebrew 1:9
God gave him his name. He obtained it. Hebrew 1:4
Every authority/power was given to Jesus by God.
Jesus will hand over his authority back to God in the future. I Corinthians 15:24-28.

Is Jesus really co equal and co powerful with God the Father cos he never seem to have anything on his own, only what the Father gives him?

RoyalDiadems:
This is not something that can be explained through logic. It takes a walk with God to unravel spiritual mysteries.
Don't start saying what the word of God meant, start saying what the word of God said.
I believe the word of God literally because God never says what He doesn't mean. I can't start finding meanings on God's behalf.

cornelboy:
If your saying literally, that's, God the Father is the one true God according to Paul and Jesus though there are many other Gods.

Or you don't believe Jesus' and Paul's teachings?

Like the Bible never mentioned trinity or teaches it. I wonder where it came from. The Roman Catholics of course!
Peace sir/ma.

RoyalDiadems:
God is a Triune Being. Even in creation, He said Let US make man.

Isaiah 9:6:
"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."
I wouldn't say anything further on this. You can argue with the Scriptures.

1Timothy 3:16
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

RoyalDiadems:
The Bible never uses the Word Trinity but it's evidence cannot be denied in scripture.

cornelboy:
The early church didn't believe it at all.
They know that God is one. A singular person.
Not three in one or one in three.

cornelboy:
You know I gave you an assignment on 1 John 5:7 earlier.

This verse is another assignment for you.

Do your research and tell me why it only the king James Bible that say "God was manifest in the flesh"? Why didn't other versions of the Bible put it that way?

King James was translated Trinitarians. And they inaccurately translated that verse like they added words to 1John 5:7.

It was Christ that was manifest in the flesh not God himself.

Roman Catholics really tampered with pure doctrines of the early church.

God is one person, Yahweh, the Father!

That's what we also believe. God isn't three persons. He's One Person manifested in 3 forms.

"God was manifest in the flesh. " The selfsame person.

The 2 verses I gave you now confirms this

The son that's born shall be called Mighty God. The same person.

Please read with understanding.

cornelboy:
This just made up assumptions made from misinterpretation. The Bible is not science that you can just make theories from. It's a trick.
Three persons can't be one person.


If you really understand the Bible, you'll understand that Jesus is distinct from his Father even before Jesus came to earth.
Jesus said it many times in the Bible that he was with God and also that God sent him.


Compare them with other versions of the Bible. King James version is deviant. They changed the truth.


But it didn't say he's the almighty God the Father huh?


Yeah thanks, that's what I do.

You don't know the depth of what you believe in.
They say God the son, God the Father, God the holy are three three distinct person yet working together as one. That's just a lie.

Did the almighty God ever claim to be three person and yet one? No. God claimed to be one being.
Did Paul believe in trinity? No. He also believe the Father is the one God there is.
Anything less or more than that is addition to the Bible, hence false teachings!

These people, Paul and Jesus were baptized by the holy spirit and I believe their words that the Father is the one true God.

Paul understand the perfect relationship between the Father and Jesus. But he never say Jesus is also God like the Father himself.

The early never taught or believed in the pagan doctrine, trinity, that was established via hot debates between bishops at the Nicene council and subsequent councils when Constantine a Roman leader took over Christianity.

I explained to you already what Jesus meant by being one with the Father already.

Well I was once in your shoes.

May Jehovah God help you to see the truth in Jesus name. Amen.

cornelboy:
This just made up assumptions made from misinterpretation. The Bible is not science that you can just make theories from. It's a trick.
Three persons can't be one person.


If you really understand the Bible, you'll understand that Jesus is distinct from his Father even before Jesus came to earth.
Jesus said it many times in the Bible that he was with God and also that God sent him.


Compare them with other versions of the Bible. King James version is deviant. They changed the truth.


But it didn't say he's the almighty God the Father huh?


Yeah thanks, that's what I do.

You don't know the depth of what you believe in.
They say God the son, God the Father, God the holy are three three distinct person yet working together as one. That's just a lie.

Did the almighty God ever claim to be three person and yet one? No. God claimed to be one being.
Did Paul believe in trinity? No. He also believe the Father is the one God there is.
Anything less or more than that is addition to the Bible, hence false teachings!

These people, Paul and Jesus were baptized by the holy spirit and I believe their words that the Father is the one true God.

Paul understand the perfect relationship between the Father and Jesus. But he never say Jesus is also God like the Father himself.

The early never taught or believed in the pagan doctrine, trinity, that was established via hot debates between bishops at the Nicene council and subsequent councils when Constantine a Roman leader took over Christianity.

I explained to you already what Jesus meant by being one with the Father already.

Well I was once in your shoes.

May Jehovah God help you to see the truth in Jesus name. Amen.

RoyalDiadems:
You're a JW? Hahaha. No wonder. Are you guys Christians? No! Your own Jesus is even some glorified angel Michael.
You have no part in these things. You need to be saved.

cornelboy:
Lol.

Who was Jesus before he came to earth?

You are not God that saves na.

Who are Christians?

RoyalDiadems:
Get a real Bible and find the truth. Stop reading the JW Bible that has been edited to suit the doctrines of its founders.

Isaiah 6:9 clearly states who Jesus is for all eternity.

cornelboy:
Where in Isaiah 6:9?

RoyalDiadems:
Isaiah 9:6 I mean. Sorry for the error.

cornelboy:
It says the child shall be called mighty God, everlasting father etc. So what do you want to point out from the verse?

cornelboy:
That's exact opposite of what the Bible teaches.

At Acts 8:4-17, Philip preached to the people of Samaria and they believed. According to Roman 10:9&10 they were already baptized and saved.
Peter and John were later sent to them to lay hands on them so that they could receive the baptism of the holy spirit and hence become born agains.

The Ethiopian eunuch mentioned later in the same verse got baptized in water in the name of Jesus but didn't receive the holy spirit. He believed, did water baptism but wasn't born again (baptized by the holy ghost).


John 3:5-6
[5]Jesus replied, “I assure you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being[b] born of water and the Spirit.[/b]

[6]Humans can reproduce only human life, but the Holy Spirit gives birth to spiritual life.

Paul also believed before he got the holy spirit through laying of hands by Ananias.


So believing and being saved is the precursor to being born again.
Not all saved were/are born agains.

cornelboy:
■ So before you could be born again, you have to hear the word of God and believe first, that's get saved according to Romans 10:9&10 and then you can now be born of the spirit. Hope you now understand what Peter meant at 1 Peter 1:21? If you were a born again, it means you heard the living word of God, you believed and then you were later baptized by the holy spirit (born of the spirit) through any means God used. Jesus was very clear on what born again means.