Crayfish09:



A world without Islam or religion would still be violent. For example, the bandits we have today are openly atheistic. Ipob is still violent, and we also have the constant wars all over the world.

Your understanding of the Qur'an is similar to the understanding of the ignorant muslims supporting what was done to the woman. It's the verses that were revealed while prophet Muhammad was in a DEFENSIVE war against non-muslims that makes it seem like Qur'an encourages violence. When you pick out a verse without reading the entire chapter, you become ignorant and pass judgments.

Ojuntana:

You're twisting it to make it look like Muhammad was just going about practicing Islam peacefully and the people of Mecca decided to fight him. What about the carcass l caravans he robbed and his threat of destroying the gods of Mecca? Or is stealing now an acceptable practice in Islam?

yetunsbay:
Tired of argument till another day

AntiChristian:


How will a sane mind enjoy that show? How many Muslims have you seen burning?

When you guys see an action done by some tribe who are Muslims, even without them saying they did it as part of Islam you quickly call them Muslims and their actions are from the Qu'ran.

IPOB/ESN has been killing cows and herders before starting to kill their Igbo brothers why not say they are killing for Christ?

Or have Christians resort to killing humans, cows, beheading and burning them?

AntiChristian:


How will a sane mind enjoy that show? How many Muslims have you seen burning?

When you guys see an action done by some tribe who are Muslims, even without them saying they did it as part of Islam you quickly call them Muslims and their actions are from the Qu'ran.

IPOB/ESN has been killing cows and herders before starting to kill their Igbo brothers why not say they are killing for Christ?

Or have Christians resort to killing humans, cows, beheading and burning them?

LAguy:


I understand your nature before quoting you.. I never expect anything rethink or second thought.
Not your fault anyway. It's a blood line issue.

Love � u G.

Charleys:
Lukgaf I know deep inside you enjoyed what you saw.

Allah Akbar.
My question is do Muslims now resort to burning people?

AntiChristian:


How will a sane mind enjoy that show? How many Muslims have you seen burning?

When you guys see an action done by some tribe who are Muslims, even without them saying they did it as part of Islam you quickly call them Muslims and their actions are from the Qu'ran.

IPOB/ESN has been killing cows and herders before starting to kill their Igbo brothers why not say they are killing for Christ?

Or have Christians resort to killing humans, cows, beheading and burning them?

mariovito:
It's easy to quote some verses of the Quran to support your view, but I tell you, Islam and the Quran has as it's Central theme; violence against those who do not believe in your religion a.k.a. infidels.

In reality, Islam's mainframe is built and sustained on violence. Take a look at countries where Islam holds sway, honor killings, killing of infidels, and killings linked generally to religion is rife.

Do you remember the Danish cartoon? Can you recall Charlie Hebdo? The cases are endless. Any religion, idea or doctrine that is shy of criticism cannot be progressive. When the rest of the world prides itself in change and evolution, Islam prides itself in the fact that the religion has remained the same as it was since 1400 years ago. Christianity used to be worse than Islam but they opened up to criticism and change and here we are, even though there's still a lot that needs to be changed about christianity. Mind you, I'm not a christian anymore even though I may pass as a cultural christian.

There's no way you can successfully separate Islam from violence. Islam is only peaceful in countries where they're a minority, and they still cause a lot of trouble as a minority.

Imagine a world without Islam, Imagine a world without religion.

Let me end with the lyrics to John Lennon's Imagine.

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us, only sky
Imagine all the people
Livin' for today
Ah
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too
Imagine all the people
Livin' life in peace
You
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

yetunsbay:
Common sense dictates your answer lies therein the write up

Antilslaam:


So that question hard for allah to answer through you abi and you change am to insultive words which you are very good at insulting people when truth don hammer your skull

Antiislaam:
Now that your Ramadan has finished, don't forget the instructions given to you by the authors of your Quran


Quran 9:5

Muhammad Ahmed & Samira

So if the months the forbidden/sacred ended/passed , so fight/kill the sharers/takers of partners (with Allah) where/when you found them, and take/punish them and restrict/confine them and remain/be concerned and prepared/beset for them (in) every lookout/observatory , so if they repented, and kept up the prayers and gave/brought the charity/ purification , so free their way/path , that Allah (is) forgiving, merciful

edward1106:


My brother! I am not a Muslim but I doubt it this verse stands on it own. For what I assume, some verses precede it and they may talk of a time they were in war...

As for the OWNER of this forum, I guess u are a Muslim and that's why you chose to make it mandatory for someone to proclaim he is a Muslim bofre he or she can comment. But if it were other religions, it will be open for all to comment. I want to believe you're trying to AVOID ISSUES LIKE THE ONE OF THAT GIRL HERE else let face the truth, you are no different from those who killed her.

IslamVIRGINS:

Saxxon:
Christians should go and read up, find out the meaning of "Taquiyya". This OP and every other proponent of Islam KNOWS very well that killing in the name of Mohammad or on behalf of Mohammad is very well welcomed in Islam. Mohammad himself was a murderous psychopath. He encouraged his followers to maim anyone who doesn't believe in his prophethood. He even described how the unbelievers should be disemboweled. The ones that don't practice or support such practices in Islam today are seen as "infidels". That is why an average Fulani/Hausa muslim does not rate Yoruba Muslims because the Yorubas are widely known to be very liberal and accommodating. While the former are very conservative.

CHRISTIANS and every other persons out there, DO NOT allow yourselves to be deceived. This game of denial is called "Taquiyya". It has been going on for ages now. Muslims have been playing cat and mice with Christians for aeons now, committing heinous crimes in the name of allah and later sending a few unimportant figures to disown it so that the Christians can be at ease. The ones who are in power are also given a waiver to disown it because that is their job. But, they MUST do so under the capacity of the office with which they serve, NOT personally. Thats why the Sultan can't disown it, BUT the SULTANATE can. The President himself can't speak against it but the PRESIDENCY can. This type of deception is called "Taquiyya". It is what Mohammad asked them to do.

DO NOT ALLOW YOURSELVES TO BE DECEIVED.

Ask yourselves, if it is unislamic, then why can't their leaders come out individually to disown it in public? Why couldn't Atiku Abubakar make that tweet and stand by it with his full chest?? Even some Christian leaders who need their votes can't come out to condemn it, WHY?? IF IT IS UNISLAMIC, THEN WHY ARE THE POPULATION OF MUSLIMS SOLIDLY BEHIND IT?

CHRISTIANS should also read up on something called "LAW OF ABROGATION".

It is a law in Islam that annuls old teachings in place of the new one. What that means is that whatever Mohammad said in his old texts are rendered NULL AND VOID by his new teachings. Mohammad himself said this when one of his followers accused him of contradicting himself. He told them to wave off anything he said before. That's why in the old texts, he was known to be tolerant and peaceful. THESE ARE THE TEXTS MUSLIMS GO TO PULL OUT WHENEVER THEY WANT TO DEFEND THEIR BLOODSUCKING RELIGION. But in later texts, he threw away peace and embraced premium violence!

These are the type of light I expect that fool called Righteousness2 to be shedding to Christians on this forum. I'm not even a Christian but here I am doing the Lord's work. Educate people, not blunten their brain.

Antifraud00:
God help us all. We are just racist and intolerant in this Nigeria. Deborah should have respected other people's religion.

The Mob need nor to take law into their hands. They could have just report to the police or the school security.
Meanwhile, I won't attach this to any religion or tribe because jungle justice is a crime and it happens everywhere in Nigeria. You will run out of luck if you're caught of stealing in Onitsha or Lagos... dem go burn u nii..

No to jungle justice

No one deserves to die that way she did. � � � � �

You people coming for my head because I said I won't attach this to a religion ?
I will only attach this to Islam if anyone can claim that all Christians are peaceful and there are no criminals among Christians.

ENGINEERG:
So what can we say to this Verses from the Quran and Haddit, that some Muslim use to justify these killings.

*FROM QURAN*

Those who annoy Allah and His Messenger – Allah has cursed them in this World and in the Hereafter, and has prepared for them a humiliating Punishment. Truly, if the Hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and those who stir up sedition in the City, desist not, We shall certainly stir thee up against them: Then will they not be able to stay in it as thy neighbours for any length of time: They shall have a curse on them: whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain (without mercy).
— Qur'an, [Quran 33:57–61

The only punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is that they should be murdered, or crucified, or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides, or they should be imprisoned. This shall he a disgrace for them in this world, and in the Hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement. Except those who repent before you overpower them; so know that Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
—  [Quran 5:33–34]

*FROM HADDITH*

The Prophet said, "Who is ready to kill Ka'b ibn al-Ashraf who has really hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Muhammad bin Maslama said, "O Allah's Apostle! Do you like me to kill him?" He replied in the affirmative. So, Muhammad bin Maslama went to him (i.e. Ka'b) and said, "This person (i.e. the Prophet) has put us to task and asked us for charity." Ka'b replied, "By Allah, you will get tired of him." Muhammad said to him, "We have followed him, so we dislike to leave him till we see the end of his affair." Muhammad bin Maslama went on talking to him in this way till he got the chance to kill him. Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah
— Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:52:270

Any Muslim who blasphemes against Allah or His Messenger or blasphemes against any one from amongst the prophets is thereby guilty of rejecting the truth of the Messenger of God, may Allah bless him and grant him peace. This is apostasy (ridda) for which repentance is necessary; if he repents he is released; if not then he is killed. Likewise, if any other person [non-Muslim] who is protected under a covenant becomes hostile and blasphemes against Allah or any one of Allah's Prophet and openly professes this, he breaches his covenant, so kill him.

— Ibn Qayyim al Jawziya and Ata 1998, 4:379

*NOTE*
However, in five countries, including Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia, blasphemy is punishable by execution.

mariovito:
It's easy to quote some verses of the Quran to support your view, but I tell you, Islaum and the Quran has as it's Central theme; violence against those who do not believe in your religion a.k.a. infidels.

In reality, Islam's mainframe is built and sustained on violence. Take a look at countries where Islam holds sway, honor killings, killing of infidels, and killings linked generally to religion is rife.

Do you remember the Danish cartoon? Can you recall Charlie Hebdo? The cases are endless. Any religion, idea or doctrine that is shy of criticism cannot be progressive. When the rest of the world prides itself in change and evolution, Islam prides itself in the fact that the religion has remained the same as it was since 1400 years ago. Christianity used to be worse than Islam but they opened up to criticism and change and here we are, even though there's still a lot that needs to be changed about christianity. Mind you, I'm not a christian anymore even though I may pass as a cultural christian.

There's no way you can successfully separate Islam from violence. Islam is only peaceful in countries where they're a minority, and they still cause a lot of trouble as a minority.

Imagine a world without Islam, Imagine a world without religion.

Let me end with the lyrics to John Lennon's Imagine.

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us, only sky
Imagine all the people
Livin' for today
Ah
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too
Imagine all the people
Livin' life in peace
You
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

OGcartel:
Yeah I agree with your expert opinion on this,I am a Muslim and I die as one,but frankly Muslims worldwide have found it hard to evolve from the centuries of our prophet ((PBUH)an era that was hostile and jungle-like in the affairs of religion,politics, culture and social experiment..and only violence could begets violence in such logical periods,,it's a pity many Muslims and scholars of heritage have continued with these cavemen preaching and mentality, just like you said christains used to be worst in it's first inception to the world,,this generation of christains who don't know anything about their heritage should also know that millions of lives have been lost (burnt, beheaded,etc..) just for not proclaiming Jesus as their Lord and personal savior.."All facts"..but the christains learned to move on to the new world.. while the Muslims were left behind too colonized to balanced most of our outdated doctines,,even the messenger (PBUH) would have wanted it better.,the Muslims under the prophet went to war back then because there were the invalids,the openly oppressed, marginalized and even killed like a normal thing, Jesus learned to turn the other cheek which is a good teaching for the right occasion, Muhammad had to ask permission from God to defend the religion which is logically right for those thinking you don't have to do anything and God will do anything,"think again", also, thinking Islam has always been motivated by violence:Note: Muhammad had only 300 men for his first battle against 10,000 men from Makkah (all facts),, would bloodthirstiness and violence motivate you to such a battle?it's that not a death wish?they(Muslims) were on the run and in hideouts just to get by everyday,so God sending Muhammad to those battle with 300 men still shows (unlike Jesus)he wanted them to also make effrots in defending themselves even when he(God) knew he would still be the one to do it.. that battle for freedom was won and over, Islam is accepted in the society thanks to the prophet though we only won the battle but the war was never over,,it switched, intellectual warfare is the new world war and Muslims and it's scholars should vest up, extremists should dump the cavemen ways and clap back with knowledge..if someone insults your religion or prophet, you have to learn how to rebuttal (i.e know how to say the right things that can salvage the situation) don't feel oppressed and open the zoo because of that.. Islam is and will always be for peace and it had fought it's battle for peace and won,so over a billion Muslims you can never stop Islam) you can bash thses gullible Muslims but Islam is as pure as fresh air; moral of the story- the spirituality,the political structure and socio-cultural aspects and behavior of a religion (Islam,christainity..)are totally apart.as a Muslim, Islam struggles in all except spirituality which is the real peace we talk about..

Antilslaam:


So that question hard for allah to answer through you abi and you change am to insultive words which you are very good at insulting people when truth don hammer your skull

mariovito:
Thanks for your unbiased and objective view.

A lot needs to be done, starting from Saudi Arabia since it's the headquarters. Less emphasis needs to be placed on the violent parts of the Al-Quran and the parts that dwell on peace should be preached more.

The Bible also has very violent verses and chapters and books that preach death to non-believers but you'll hardly hear christian preachers dwelling on them these days. Matter of fact, many christians will be surprised to find that those verses are in the Bible because preachers down play them.

At the time these religions came on board, violence, not just religious violence, was common place as modern society had not fully taken shape, so it won't be totally out of place if some vestiges of violence found their way into the scripts of these religions. But those times have passed.

I hope Islam makes that paradigm shift. Doesn't it amaze you that almost any violent group can base their ideology on the Al-Quran?
And from my understanding, most of Prophet Muhammad's (PBUH) were defensive wars and even in some verses he preached peaceful coexistence.

As I conclude, this is in a different vein, can you explain to me the idea of Taqiyyah?

Lukgaf:
Below are some of the Quran verses that affirm tolerance and forbid unjust killings toward non-Muslims.

“[w]hoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one is as if he had saved mankind entirely.”
(Suratul Maidah verse 32)

“And do not kill the soul which Allah has forbidden [to be killed] except by [legal] right. This has He instructed you that you may use reason."
(Suratul An'am verse 151)

“There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong.”
(Suratul Baqorah)

“And if they incline to peace, then incline to it [also] and rely upon Allah. Indeed, it is He who is the Hearing, the Knowing.”
(Suratul Al-Anfal verse 61)

“O you who have believed, be persistently standing firm for Allah, witnesses in justice, and do not let the hatred of a people prevent you from being just. Be just; that is nearer to righteousness. And fear Allah; indeed, Allah is Acquainted with what you do.”
(Suratul Maidah verse 8 )

“Indeed, those who have believed [in Prophet Muhammad] and those [before Him] who were Jews or Sabeans or Christians - those [among them] who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.”
(Suratul Maidah verse 69)

yetunsbay:
Read what is written. What you blindly seek dey there

Antilslaam:


Abi I lie?

Antilslaam:


Quran 5:51

“Don’t take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them.”[l

Who say this in your glorious Quran?

A. Allah

B. Jibril

C. Muhammad

D. None of the above

IslamVIRGINS:

yetunsbay do you need someone to help you answer this question?