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Re: These Verses Affirm Tolerance and forbid unjust killings Towards Non-muslim by Onokwu001(m): 3:24pm On May 13, 2022 |
Saxxon:Can you please go to sokoto and say this please |
Re: These Verses Affirm Tolerance and forbid unjust killings Towards Non-muslim by IMAliyu(m): 3:26pm On May 13, 2022 |
The problem here is if I wanted to make a case for Islam being a tolerant and peace loving religion I can, by choosing verses and hadiths that supports that view. And if I wanted to demonize and make the religion look like the worse thing to ever plague this earth, I easily can by choosing verses and hadiths that supports this view. Which is the problem. The people that killed Deborah didn't do it because of tribalism, money or any worldly concept, but were animated by of their religious beliefs, and for their minds they did an honorable thing and Allah will reward them. Terrorist quote and draw from the Quran and Hadiths to support their ways and actions. And I'm sorry but in Nigeria more and more Christians and nonMuslims are afraid to live in the Muslim dominanted North, because of the history and recurrence of violent killings on religious basis. The thing is if their is constant contradiction between what a people keep saying and the observable outcomes of their actions. There is a problem. 2 Likes |
Re: These Verses Affirm Tolerance and forbid unjust killings Towards Non-muslim by DryMouth: 3:29pm On May 13, 2022 |
Onokwu001:So he shuld leave his house and go to sokoto to say that. Are that jobless? Why can't the so call useless jihadists come to the west or south and stone him to death? 12 Likes |
Re: These Verses Affirm Tolerance and forbid unjust killings Towards Non-muslim by Bbdiyya: 3:29pm On May 13, 2022 |
ENGINEERG:Why the blasphemy in the first place? |
Re: These Verses Affirm Tolerance and forbid unjust killings Towards Non-muslim by yetunsbay(m): 3:30pm On May 13, 2022 |
Antiislaam:[/b]Try read and comprehend true message.[b] [/b]1. Context of verse is during battlefield[b] Critics of Islam actually quote this verse out of context. In order to understand the context, we need to read from verse 1 of this surah. It says that there was a peace treaty between the Muslims and the Mushriks (pagans) of Makkah. This treaty was violated by the Mushriks of Makkah. A period of four months was given to the Mushriks of Makkah to make amends. Otherwise war would be declared against them. Verse 5 of Surah Taubah says: “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.” [Al-Qur’an 9:5] This verse is quoted during a battle. [/b]2. Example of war between America and Vietnam[b] We know that America was once at war with Vietnam. Suppose the President of America or the General of the American Army told the American soldiers during the war: “Wherever you find the Vietnamese, kill them”. Today if I say that the American President said, “Wherever you find the Vietnamese, kill them” without giving the context, I will make him sound like a butcher. But if I quote him in context, that he said it during a war, it will sound very logical, as he was trying to boost the morale of the American soldiers during the war. [/b]3. Verse 9:5 quoted to boost morale of Muslims during battle[b] Similarly in Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 5 the Qur’an says, “Kill the Mushriks wherever you find them”, during a battle to boost the morale of the Muslim soldiers. What the Qur’an is telling Muslim soldiers is, don’t be afraid during battle; wherever you find the enemies kill them. [/b]4. Critics jump from verse 5 to verse 7[b] Arun Shourie is one of the staunchest critics of Islam in India. He quotes the same verse, Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 5 in his book ‘The World of Fatawas’, on page 572. After quoting verse 5 he jumps to verse 7 of Surah Taubah. Any sensible person will realize that he has skipped verse 6. [/b]5. Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 6 gives the answer[b] Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 6 gives the answer to the allegation that Islam promotes violence, brutality and bloodshed. It says: “If one amongst the pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure that is because they are men without knowledge.” [Al-Qur’an 9:6] The Qur’an not only says that a Mushrik seeking asylum during the battle should be granted refuge, but also that he should be escorted to a secure place. In the present international scenario, even a kind, peace-loving army General, during a battle, may let the enemy soldiers go free, if they want peace. But which army General will ever tell his soldiers, that if the enemy soldiers want peace during a battle, don’t just let them go free, but also escort them to a place of security? This is exactly what Allah (swt) says in the Glorious Qur’an to promote peace in the world [/b]copied[b] |
Re: These Verses Affirm Tolerance and forbid unjust killings Towards Non-muslim by BigBizzy(m): 3:30pm On May 13, 2022 |
Y'all just showing super double standards here. I know y'all fakies enjoyed the show. spit on religion... spit on muslims spit on islam, its followers and the mudafucking hypocrites. y'all disgust me to my marrow. morons 5 Likes |
Re: These Verses Affirm Tolerance and forbid unjust killings Towards Non-muslim by AntiYahooYahoo: 3:31pm On May 13, 2022 |
Abdulhakeem7:U and ur Mohammed and Allah are drunk 9 Likes |
Re: These Verses Affirm Tolerance and forbid unjust killings Towards Non-muslim by Freezby2020: 3:31pm On May 13, 2022 |
Lukgaf: All I know is that you are speaking with your tongue in cheek. How about the verses blow that not only support KILLING, but COMPELLED it. 3 Likes
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Re: These Verses Affirm Tolerance and forbid unjust killings Towards Non-muslim by Ojuntana: 3:32pm On May 13, 2022 |
Aboki99:So you mean if someone provokes you, the response is to kill them? 5 Likes |
Re: These Verses Affirm Tolerance and forbid unjust killings Towards Non-muslim by Gentlevip: 3:34pm On May 13, 2022 |
Not worthy of been discussed or make noise. Once you cross the red line we cross you to the next realm. Call it jungle or watever story to massage your ego. We will execute when it is right and heavens won't fall. Call us all the scathing insults and names. We will do what is necessary. We don't subscribe to the bull and cock mentality that we should sit back, foam on social media and allow the perpetration of this blasphemy go on. Never.. Bisalam. May peace and blessings of Allah be on our beloved prophet and Master. Sayyiduna Muhammadin wa ala alihi wasahbihi ajmain |
Re: These Verses Affirm Tolerance and forbid unjust killings Towards Non-muslim by AntiYahooYahoo: 3:35pm On May 13, 2022 |
Onokwu001:Ur mohammad and allah are drunk idiots with small dicks 2 Likes |
Re: These Verses Affirm Tolerance and forbid unjust killings Towards Non-muslim by mariovito(m): 3:35pm On May 13, 2022 |
Did you just go there? I wouldn't if I was you. Islam that made it as a rule to marry prepubescent girls? How old was Aisha when the Prophet took her for wife? It's also evident in northern nigeria with the penchant northern men have such huge appetites for the poosay of underage girls. Were we not debating the other day at the floor of the national assembly whether to allow marriage of prepubescent girls? Islam is filled with the most debased ideas. Now back to your accusations about the church, yes, Roman Catholic Church is riddled with child abuse and paedophilia and I won't hide it. They even find was to protect priests who should be handed over to secular government for prosecution the same way Nigeria police will do anything to protect an erring cop. Christianity has its own faults too. That don't mean I won't speak against Islam, by the way I'm only culturally christian because I'm born in the south, other than that, I long denounced the religion and any other religion for that matter. These two religions we draw daggers and go at each other's jugular for are not even indigenous to us. They're all tools used to subjugate us as Africans. Imagine what nigeria would have been like if we didn't have any of these religions, don't you think we'll have a more peaceful and sane space? IPIGSRHYPO: 4 Likes |
Re: These Verses Affirm Tolerance and forbid unjust killings Towards Non-muslim by Antiislaam(m): 3:37pm On May 13, 2022 |
yetunsbay: Who say this in your glorious Quran? Quran 5:51 “Don’t take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them.” 3 Likes |
Re: These Verses Affirm Tolerance and forbid unjust killings Towards Non-muslim by AntiYahooYahoo: 3:38pm On May 13, 2022 |
Antifraud00:u're Foolish idiot. Saying Jesus is the greatest for helping her pass exam na blasphemy? U no get sense 6 Likes |
Re: These Verses Affirm Tolerance and forbid unjust killings Towards Non-muslim by IMAliyu(m): 3:38pm On May 13, 2022 |
Antifraud00:The girl didn't even commit any blasphemy, they killed her for nothing. They interpreted her words how they wanted and got offended on their own. https://www.nairaland.com/7123924/voice-note-led-deborah-samuel 2 Likes |
Re: These Verses Affirm Tolerance and forbid unjust killings Towards Non-muslim by FlyingKing: 3:40pm On May 13, 2022 |
ALL I KNOW IS THAT ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS AND MURDERERS AND ALL TERRORISTS ARE MUSLIMS. YOU THAT KILL YOUR FELLOW HUMAN BEING FOR THE SAKE OF YOUR gOD THAT CAN NOT FIGHT OR DEFEND himself SHOULD NOT DIE AGAIN. BASTARD SET OF PEDOPHILE PEOPLE. 7 Likes |
Re: These Verses Affirm Tolerance and forbid unjust killings Towards Non-muslim by Bimpe29: 3:41pm On May 13, 2022 |
Islam is peace and it's against any form of violence. The Sokoto massacre and the likes doesn't represent ISLAM. |
Re: These Verses Affirm Tolerance and forbid unjust killings Towards Non-muslim by Ojuntana: 3:43pm On May 13, 2022 |
AntiChristian: IPOB are not killing for religion. Not all Igbos are Christians. Their leader follows Judaism while others are traditional worshippers. Besides, ipob have denied being behind killings while boko, iswap and the latest terrorists, Sokoto students proudly showed everyone the matches they used to commit murder 1 Like |
Re: These Verses Affirm Tolerance and forbid unjust killings Towards Non-muslim by IMAliyu(m): 3:45pm On May 13, 2022 |
Bimpe29:Have you read Islamic history at all? 2 Likes |
Re: These Verses Affirm Tolerance and forbid unjust killings Towards Non-muslim by Ojuntana: 3:45pm On May 13, 2022 |
IPIGSRHYPO:How can the church have more pedo than the mosque when child marriage is a norm in Islam. Even mo the pioneer bedded a six year old girl 2 Likes |
Re: These Verses Affirm Tolerance and forbid unjust killings Towards Non-muslim by IPIGSRHYPO: 3:46pm On May 13, 2022 |
[[s]quote author=mariovito post=112796302]Did you just go there? I wouldn't if I was you. Islam that made it as a rule to marry prepubescent girls? How old was Aisha when the Prophet took her for wife? It's also evident in northern nigeria with the penchant northern men have such huge appetites for the poosay of underage girls. Were we not debating the other day at the floor of the national assembly whether to allow marriage of prepubescent girls? Islam is filled with the most debased ideas. Now back to your accusations about the church, yes, Roman Catholic Church is riddled with child abuse and paedophilia and I won't hide it. They even find was to protect priests who should be handed over to secular government for prosecution the same way Nigeria police will do anything to protect an erring cop. Christianity has its own faults too. That don't mean I won't speak against Islam, by the way I'm only culturally christian because I'm born in the south, other than that, I long denounced the religion and any other religion for that matter. These two religions we draw daggers and go at each other's jugular for are not even indigenous to us. They're all tools used to subjugate us as Africans. Imagine what nigeria would have been like if we didn't have any of these religions, don't you think we'll have a more peaceful and sane space? [/quote][/s] Go and ask Jeslut that was hanged for fvcking young boys just like your Popes and priests at the Vatican. |
Re: These Verses Affirm Tolerance and forbid unjust killings Towards Non-muslim by sweetkev(m): 3:48pm On May 13, 2022 |
Abdulhakeem7:By killing people who do not believe in your murderous doctrine abi ? 4 Likes |
Re: These Verses Affirm Tolerance and forbid unjust killings Towards Non-muslim by Ojuntana: 3:48pm On May 13, 2022 |
Antifraud00:How did she disrespect their religion exactly? She called them out for posting religious stuff on a class WhatsApp group. How exactly is that a disrespectful act? Maybe she should have reciprocated by posting Kirk Franklin's album. Mtcheew 2 Likes |
Re: These Verses Affirm Tolerance and forbid unjust killings Towards Non-muslim by IPIGSRHYPO: 3:48pm On May 13, 2022 |
Ojuntana:Better get your head out of your ass and read real news around the world. It's a known fact to normal not brainwashed people around the world that the Vatican is the HQ for pedophiles. Google is your friend. There are more pedophiles in the Christianity than all other religions combined. Fact. |
Re: These Verses Affirm Tolerance and forbid unjust killings Towards Non-muslim by Aremson14(m): 3:49pm On May 13, 2022 |
mariovito:Oga this shows u do not even know ur own religion. Go and read about the brutality committed in the name of Christianity in the last |
Re: These Verses Affirm Tolerance and forbid unjust killings Towards Non-muslim by sweetkev(m): 3:50pm On May 13, 2022 |
Bimpe29:But deep down in your heart, you are happy that girl was killed 3 Likes |
Re: These Verses Affirm Tolerance and forbid unjust killings Towards Non-muslim by sweetkev(m): 3:51pm On May 13, 2022 |
Gentlevip:Hell await you if you don't accept Jesus Christ 3 Likes |
Re: These Verses Affirm Tolerance and forbid unjust killings Towards Non-muslim by Ojuntana: 3:52pm On May 13, 2022 |
Rashduct4luv: It's Christians who hate. It is Muslims who kill 2 Likes |
Re: These Verses Affirm Tolerance and forbid unjust killings Towards Non-muslim by yetunsbay(m): 3:54pm On May 13, 2022 |
Antiislaam:The Qur'an does not say that non-Muslims cannot be Muslims (Isaiah 56:5: the future believers' name. Sons and daughters titles will be "no more"' friends, nor does it forbid Muslims (Isaiah 56:5: the future believers' name. Sons and daughters titles will be "no more" to be friendly to non-Muslims. There are many non-Muslims who are good friends of Muslim individuals and the Muslim community. There are also many good Muslims (Isaiah 56:5: the future believers' name. Sons and daughters titles will be "no more" who truly and sincerely observe their faith and are very friendly to many non-Muslims at the same time. Islam teaches us that we should be friendly to all people. Islam teaches us that we should deal even with our enemies with justice and fairness. Allah says in the Qur'an in the beginning of the same Surat Al-Ma’dah: [O you who believe! Stand out firmly for Allah as witnesses to fair dealings and let not the hatred of others to you make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just, that is next to piety. Fear Allah, indeed Allah is well-acquainted with all that you do.] (Al-Ma’dah 5 : In another place in the Qur'an, Allah Almighty says: [Allah forbids you not with regard to those who fight you not for your faith, nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them. For Allah loves those who are just. Allah only forbids you with regard to those who fight you for your faith, and drive you out of your homes and support others in driving you out, from turning to them for protection (or taking them as wali). Those who seek their protection they are indeed wrong- doers.] (Al-Mumtahinah 60: 8-9) Moreover, Allah Almighty has described Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) as "a mercy" to the worlds. He was a sign of Allah's Mercy to all, Muslims (Isaiah 56:5: the future believers' name. Sons and daughters titles will be "no more" as well as non-Muslims. In his kindness and fair treatment he did not make any difference between the believers and non-believers. He was kind to the pagans of Makkah and fought them only when they fought him. He made treaties with the Jews of Madinah and honored the treaties until they broke them. He (peace and blessings be upon him) is reported to have received the Christians of Najran with kindness in his Masjid in Madinah. They argued with him about Islam, but he returned them with honor and respect. There are many examples from his life that show that he was the friendliest person to all people. In the verse you quoted, the word "Awliya" is used. It is a plural and its singular is "wali". The correct translation of the word ""wali"" is not "friend" but it is someone who is very close and intimate. It is also used to mean "guardian, protector, patron, lord and master". In the Qur'an this word is used for God, such as [Allah is the Protector (or Lord and Master) of those who believe. He takes them out from the depths of darkness to light…] (Al- Baqarah 2: 257) There are many other references in the Qur'an that give this meaning. The same word is also sometimes used in the Qur'an for human beings, such as [And whosoever is killed unjustly, We have granted his next kin "wali" the authority (to seek judgement or punishment in this case)…] (Al-‘Isra' 17 :33) The correct translation of the verse in Surat Al-Ma’idah is: [O you who believe! Do not take Jews and Christians as your patrons. They are patrons of their own people. He among you who will turn to them for patronage is one of them. Verily Allah guides not a people unjust.] (Al-Ma'dah 5: 51) It is obvious that Jews patronize the Jews and Christians patronize the Christians, so why not Muslims (Isaiah 56:5: the future believers' name. Sons and daughters titles will be "no more" patronize Muslims (Isaiah 56:5: the future believers' name. Sons and daughters titles will be "no more" had a set back. At that time, a Muslim from Madinah said, "I am going to live with Jews so I shall be safe in case another attack comes on Madinah." And another person said, "I am going to live with Christians so I shall be safe in case another attack comes on Madinah." So Allah revealed this verse reminding the believers that they should not seek the protection from others, but should protect each other. (See Ibn Kathir, Al-Tafsir, vol. 2, p. 68) Muslims (Isaiah 56:5: the future believers' name. Sons and daughters titles will be "no more" are allowed to have non-Muslims as friends as long as they keep their own faith and commitment to Islam pure and strong. You are correct in pointing out that a Muslim man is also allowed to marry a Jewish or Christian woman. It is obvious that one marries someone for love and friendship. If friendship between Muslims (Isaiah 56:5: the future believers' name. Sons and daughters titles will be "no more" and Jews or Christians was forbidden, then why would Islam allow a Muslim man to marry a Jew or Christian woman? It is the duty of Muslims (Isaiah 56:5: the future believers' name. Sons and daughters titles will be "no more" to patronize Muslims (Isaiah 56:5: the future believers' name. Sons and daughters titles will be "no more". They should not patronize any one who is against their faith or who fights their faith, even if they were their fathers and brothers. Allah says: [O you who believe! Take not for protectors (awliya') your fathers and your brothers if they love unbelief above faith. If any of you do so, they are indeed wrong-doers.] (Al-Tawbah 9: 23)- [/b] Dr. Muzammil Siddiqi, former president of the Islamic Society of North America[b] |
Re: These Verses Affirm Tolerance and forbid unjust killings Towards Non-muslim by Ojuntana: 3:55pm On May 13, 2022 |
Bbdiyya:Why kill in the first place 2 Likes |
Re: These Verses Affirm Tolerance and forbid unjust killings Towards Non-muslim by rolams(m): 3:57pm On May 13, 2022 |
Antiislaam: You don't know the basis of this. You just quoted it out of context. If this thing you quote is related to what you have in mind, you and I would be struggling to exist. |
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