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chieveboy:
If judgement is going to be fair, it won't be based on any religion. It would be based on actions. The moment you bring religion into it, it becomes an unfair and flawed judgement.

chieveboy:
The fact that you have to accept someone who is not universally available in the real sense of the word 'universal' means the case is flawed from beginning. That's like marking my scripts based on the questions of another candidate.

chieveboy:
Further, there cannot be such a thing as "pure religion" as you like to think

chieveboy:
Maybe you mean "Pure Intents" which will be closer to the idea of actions informed by empathy.

NNTR:
Do you know that God is Fair and Just?

Watch this. You're on earth because you have the fundamental right to come into existence. Now there's something called responsibility, this is talking about the fact and condition of being accountable. You have the right and freedom to 'come, see and conquer' however, at the end of day, you will be required to explain every single action or the lack of action. Nobody should have nothing to worry about, as everyone will have a fair hearing before an incorruptible Judge

This is another of flawed questionings. Both questions are skewed, in the sense that, souls do not burn forever. The lake of Fire, of course, burns forever, but souls once consumed by fire, do not continue burning after already being destroyed. Capisce now?

Fairness and righteousness requires, each and all, be given, the choice to accept or reject 'SAN Uno'. Essentially, you decide where you want to end up at

Worry less about unborn children, put your positive energy about how you and/or neighbour are going to make it, as the system will have it.

chieveboy:
1: No doctrine being sold here. No need for such attempt.

2a: It's general concept that everyone are children of God starting from Adam. I did not find where any deity assumed the role of creation as in God.

2b/c: They contradict points b&c. Independent thinking comes with knowledge of good and evil sir. Freewill is the go ahead to chose between options. It's volition.

3: There is information available on what this story of Adam and Eve really is beyond the allegory presented on the bible. It however will destroy a lot of basis for most beliefs in most religions. It will let the cat out the bag so need for that.

4: I will not bother commenting on this.

NNTR:
Repeated or frequently done actions become religion.

What is unfair or flawed, in an atheist running into a building under inferno, to go rescue a Muslim, or vice versa?

Recall, I earlier shared that, empathy or compassion transcends the limits, confines, restrictions et cetera of faith or faithlessness affiliation, meaning empathy or compassion, goes beyond the range, limits or confines of Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Atheism, Christianity, The Gospel, ATF, New Age et cetera, and thats including their inherent flaws and faults.

Who is not universally available?
Even if perceived not to be universally available now, will be available on day in court before everyone and judgment gets passed. As everyone will get an opportunity to give explain all their actions, or just sit back while, from stand to end, Senior Advocate Number Uno (i.e. SAN) takes over and gets you off the hook, saved and free.

I already shared that empathy is a religion thats true and pure, in the sense of conforming to the accurate standard and expectation of God. Compassion without fault and flaw such that God approves of is pure and true religion.

Trust me, empathy and/or compassion are true and pure religion combo win-win that will gain anyone brownie points

No, I do not mean 'Pure Intents', as the road to hell as paved with good intentions and Pure Intents'

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Kobojunkie:
1. Like I said, I am not offering any doctrines but what is written.

2a. But your general concept is a lie. Adam was not a child of God this since he was instead created a Man - from the Physical elements of this world - Genesis 2 vs 7a . He was made a man in the image of God but was then cursed after He fell, and His descendants with Him. That which is born of God is not cursed.

In addition, Jesus Christ who came to redeem men from the curse, taught that Sons of God are those who have Life and know God's Truth - John 3 vs 16 and John 8 vs 31 - 35. Sons of God are born of God and have Godly attributes inside of them. Adam was not born with a spirit to him and he was also not created with God's Truth and Life in built, and even after He stole of God's tree of knowledge of good and evil(God's Truth) , He didnt have God's Life and so was never a Son of God - Genesis 3 vs 22

2b/c. I am afraid that isn't a fact. Babies for one are born from the womb able to make decisions independently - they cry when disturbed, this irrespective of desires of those those them and even up to age 2 and beyond. Even without what constitutes knowledge of good and evil, basis are able to make independent decisions.

3. If you are unable to process the story as written, then your opinions are that....opinions of what is written.

4. Ok

chieveboy:
I have met fantastic Muslims, Christians, Pagans and so on. These are all worshippers of something who if you compare with their evil fellows, you may want to go for maybe Islam if the bad one was Christian going by your analogy.

chieveboy:
LoL it depends on what religious book I am reading about the justness and fairness of God from.

Most of them are a NO. The only one that would present God as fair and just is the one which tells me God would be actually running the judgment show based ony actions, deeds and heart.

The one that would condemn me despite being a good person on the grounds that I didn't accept messenger or son is seriously flawed indeed.

chieveboy:
What's the idea or goal sir of this fundentsl right to come to earth?. Let me list a few and you can pick or state yours:

1: To find Jesus and accept Him
2: To learn?
3: To develop?

chieveboy:
This is actually strange because your book says they will be crying and gnashing their teeth for ever. The fire doesn't gnash it's teeth for ever. Someone does.

chieveboy:
Billions will never hear of SAN Uno is the reality unfortunately. You're even oblivious 9f a lot of howany souls are in this realms asides from the ones that come as humans.

chieveboy:
LoL I was talking about God and his children here and not mine. I was saying he has 10 in heaven, he sends 2 to where they will hear of "SAN Umo" and the remaining to where they can't, say the house of the leader of imam of mosque of Mecca for instance. At the last they, he judges the ones sent to the Imam of Mecca and burns them for not hearing of "SAN Uno". Do you get?

chieveboy:
Good luck with "SAN Uno esq."

chieveboy:
If an atheist does this to save a Muslim, that's the height of divine love sir. That atheist from what I know will occupy the loftiest of heavens above a preacher who cannot sacrifice his life for love. Hey that into your systems sir.

I will like to leave you with this idea:

The only yardstick you will be judged with is how well or how not well you did in relation to LOVE. This is the golden key to heaven. If you like, accept "SAN Uno" a million times on earth and also in judgment. SAN uno will be very helpless on your case.

In other words, if this story of your SAN Uno were to be true, he will only work with your actions (Love Account) if you have no Love, your case is dead on arrival.

Blessings Be!

NNTR:
You're the captain of your ship. You'll chart the course you want to end up at. You will live this life by yourself, no one is going to live your life for you. You'll live this life to the best of your ability. You'll live this life as best as you know how to. If its bad things, you know how to, then be bad as worst as you can. If its good things, you know how to do, then be good as best as you can. Just know that, works of darkness dont not curtail or hinder the progress of God

You've been too long in the dark, and because your eyes arent used to light, you squint or even close your eyes to the flash of light illuminating before you

Its actually all the above three you listed and there's even more to throw in. We all start life as atheists. We all start life learning. We all start life developing. Well, circling back, the goal fundamentally is about your right, to come into existence, which then leads to, in whichever way wish, your right of freedom of expression, and that's right of freedom expression, without undue censors or unnecessary restraint(s)

I am sure you know the bible never said anything about 'crying and gnashing their teeth for ever.' Its you adding 'for ever' what whatever agenda you have in mind

Many dont get to hear of the duty solicitor until appearing before the judge in court. Be rest assured that each one of those your Billions will hear of SAN Uno ion judgment day.

You surely didnt get it, when I typed worry less about unborn children, (i.e. about God and His children), but put your positive energy about how you and/or neighbour are going to make it, as the system will have it

You seem to have a devoted obsession with burning.

Romans 2:13-16
'13For it is not those who merely hear the Law [as it is read aloud] who are just or righteous before God, but it is those who [actually] obey the Law who will be justified [pronounced free of the guilt of sin and declared acceptable to Him].
14When Gentiles, who do not have the Law [since it was given only to Jews], do instinctively the things the Law requires [guided only by their conscience], they are a law to themselves, though they do not have the Law.
15They show that the essential requirements of the Law are written in their hearts; and their conscience [their sense of right and wrong, their moral choices] bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or perhaps defending them
16on that day when, as my gospel proclaims, God will judge the secrets [all the hidden thoughts and concealed sins] of men through Christ Jesus.'

My dear friend, we've already addressed this matter you are wrestling with nah. Recall, I earlier referenced Romans 2:13-16 above and on top typed that whatever faith or faithlessness, anyone is born into, it doesnt diminish the effectiveness of our inbuilt moral compass, so meaning, it doesnt matter whether through the lottery of life, you found yourself born into a Freethinker, Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim, Atheist, Agnostic, Christian, Believer, or ATR practitioner et cetera setting.

So, whether you're a Freethinker, Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim, Atheist, Agnostic, Christian, Believer, ATR practitioner et cetera, just as Romans 2:14 above reveals, your conscience, is the voice of God, inside your soul, inside you, in you. Except you have a seared conscience, you would never hear the prompting in the soul

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

MaxInDHouse:
You missed the point!
Note that i'm not talking about being good here, what i'm saying is:
Which of these Gods has the ability to speak and fulfill by presenting their worshipers in line with what they said?

For instance:
What did any of these gods say?
And how consistent are they with their words?

The God of Israel claimed He is the one who confused the language of all the inhabitants of the earth at Babel {Genesis 11:1-9} and later promised to unite all obedient mankind under one umbrella {Zephaniah 3:9} He goes forward to explain how He will achieve this that He will pour out some of His spirit on people who will become preachers and teachers of His word {Joel 2:28-30 compare to Isaiah 2:2-4} Jesus of Nazareth came through the lineage of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob just as the God of Abraham promised {Genesis 12:1-3} and Jesus commissioned a preaching and teaching team which will go throughout the earth to gather obedient people {Matthew 28:18-20; Act 1:8} Jesus warned that Satan will initiate falsehood adding to his group and it will confuse many people for years {Matthew 13:24-25} but at the end Jesus' group will be separated from Satan's agents! Matthew 13:30
So after Jesus' ascension to heaven his group was called "Christians" in a city known as Antioch {Act 11:26} that's what most people (including all agents of Satan) who read their story are claiming till now but the true God has promised that He will destroy all those false worshipers and call His own true worshipers by another group name! Isaiah 65:15

All these has fulfilled in our own eyes today that group is globally known as JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES they are practicing exactly what Jesus taught back in the first century which makes everyone hate them even though they're the most peaceful and peaceloving anywhere they are! Matthew 24:9

They have used the Bible to resolve all their racial disparities among themselves, they have stop the production of WEAPONS, diverted all their resources into the production of food and information materials, they have vowed never to raise weapons against anyone again and as for military services they've said GOODBYE! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Can you present any god any their WITNESSES just as the God of the Bible consistently prove Himself to be the true God?

NNTR:
I am snaughling because you a big comedy strip!

Parochialism, acutely is affecting you.

It would have served you better, not to understand my submission than to misunderstand and come to an erroneous conclusion.

On this side of eternity, its sex, that brings you into life, and its a life, for some, that finally ends in death. So, sex is the beginning for all, and the second death is, the end for some

Understand that, its from after having sex, that your body is formed and born, not you and equally its by the first death, that your body dies, not you. Your beingness, you, are a soul. This fact, shock and choke you. Never mind. Its all good, as you have a dull apprehension anyway.

Dont miss the mark no more. The ultimate ignorance is the rejection of something you know nothing about yet refuse to investigate to then acknowledge

It did sound sweet to the ear actually, but unfortunately for you, you are hard in hearing, as you didnt hear the drummed out other several decibels

Matthew 25:31-33
'31“But when the Son of Man comes in His glory and majesty
and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.
32All the nations will be gathered before Him [for judgment];
and He will separate them from one another, as a shepherd separates his sheep from the goats;
33and He will put the sheep on His right [the place of honor],
and the goats on His left [the place of rejection]'

Be my guest, if it gives you comfort and makes you sleep right at night, if typing this bull piss of yours makes you feel better, you call me whatever you like, all I know is that, you are not yet enlightened at all. You are not yet, in that space, level, height or position. You argue with the questions and answers I put forward when you dont understand them.

You need to take off that big fat chip on your shoulder, climb down and get off from your high horse because one sees, great things, from the valley, only small things, from the peak. Also stop being puffed up with extraordinary arrogance and conceit

On left, there’s nothing right, on right, there’s nothing left. Dont force trying to understand what I typed just there or you'll pull a muscle

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

chieveboy:
Ask you God for the meaning of "Soul" before going to bed.
Come back and tell me more.
I want to know more from you beyond any scripture you've been quoting.

NNTR:

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You're soul. The soul is you, and vice versa, meaning what you are is soul, you are the soul.

So essentially, you are a sou, housed in a body made up from dust and made animated with a life-force, which is ruach aka spirit aka pneuma or also known as, the breath of God.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

NNTR:
Matthew 10:28
And do not be afraid of those killing the body, and are not able to kill the soul,
but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna.

triplechọice, your blind religious indoctrination prevents you from seeing in Matthew 10:28 above that souls can be destroyed. Smh

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

chieveboy:
Good one we are indeed Souls. You need to find if...

1: It can or will be destroyed or is immortal
2: It can be saved from sin or sinful

NNTR:

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It is evident that souls can be destroyed, meaning they are not immortal. Yes, souls can be saved from damnation

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

NNTR:
I am snaughling because you a big comedy strip!

Parochialism, acutely is affecting you.

It would have served you better, not to understand my submission than to misunderstand and come to an erroneous conclusion.

On this side of eternity, its sex, that brings you into life, and its a life, for some, that finally ends in death. So, sex is the beginning for all, and the second death is, the end for some

Understand that, its from after having sex, that your body is formed and born, not you and equally its by the first death, that your body dies, not you. Your beingness, you, are a soul. This fact, shock and choke you. Never mind. Its all good, as you have a dull apprehension anyway.

Dont miss the mark no more. The ultimate ignorance is the rejection of something you know nothing about yet refuse to investigate to then acknowledge

It did sound sweet to the ear actually, but unfortunately for you, you are hard in hearing, as you didnt hear the drummed out other several decibels

Matthew 25:31-33
'31“But when the Son of Man comes in His glory and majesty
and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.
32All the nations will be gathered before Him [for judgment];
and He will separate them from one another, as a shepherd separates his sheep from the goats;
33and He will put the sheep on His right [the place of honor],
and the goats on His left [the place of rejection]'

Be my guest, if it gives you comfort and makes you sleep right at night, if typing this bull piss of yours makes you feel better, you call me whatever you like, all I know is that, you are not yet enlightened at all. You are not yet, in that space, level, height or position. You argue with the questions and answers I put forward when you dont understand them.

You need to take off that big fat chip on your shoulder, climb down and get off from your high horse because one sees, great things, from the valley, only small things, from the peak. Also stop being puffed up with extraordinary arrogance and conceit

On left, there’s nothing right, on right, there’s nothing left. Dont force trying to understand what I typed just there or you'll pull a muscle

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

chieveboy:
At least you have something to find out now that you said this.

chieveboy:
My brother, may l be plain with you and mention that all these deities are Extra Terrestrials? Have you come across such information before? You did, you didnt just see it from that angle.

NNTR:

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Smh, pfft.
I have nothing to find out, and you know that.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

chieveboy:
This defies the Many laws, but then here you are...knowing all.

NNTR:
You know when you've had your fill, so you resort to gimmick, sending me on pointless exercises, so just to deflect

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

chieveboy:
Ask you God for the meaning of "Soul" before going to bed.
Come back and tell me more.
I want to know more from you beyond any scripture you've been quoting.

chieveboy:
Good one we are indeed Souls. You need to find if...

1: It can or will be destroyed or is immortal
2: It can be saved from sin or sinful

chieveboy:
Atleast you have something to find out now that you said this.

chieveboy:
"Pointless" is what you call asking God for more info? Well well well .

NNTR:
Review your posts to see how they betrays your insincerity in getting me to spend time in doing aimless activities.

Tell me please, what is the point in telling me:
'Ask you God for the meaning of "Soul" before going to bed' even patronising me with 'Atleast you have something to find out now that you said this.'

I dont know what's worse, you underestimating me sending me on arrant nonsense errands or you insulting my intelligence by fooling around telling me to go find out all what I already know

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

chieveboy:
This is actually really hilarious

chieveboy:
I can assure you that even angels do have more than plenty to learn.

chieveboy:
The whole goal of this thread is to prick people ...

chieveboy:
... into going within themselves, into the temple within to see and know truth for themselves rather than getting it off books and experience of other people which forms the religious texts of today.

chieveboy:
May be you should dig my past threads...

exCHRISTIAN:
You haven't asked why he let his people die without protecting them.

Why didn't the imaginery christ protect Deborah

Is he absent? Or doesn't exist? Or cant fulfill His promise to protect his followers? Or is the bbbile lyi*g as it used to do?
Thessalonians 3:3

I feel you.

I left Xtianity because I realized it's rubbish.
What do yo expect from a god that was born by a WOMAN and ended, murdered on Cross? Didn't help himself also


The entitled punishment for blasphemy in Xtianity as I was forced study by my parents back then is death !!!

anyone who blasphemes the name of the Lord is to be put to death. The entire assembly must stone them. Whether foreigner or native-born, when they blaspheme the Name they are to be put to death.
Leviticus 24:16

Deborah killers used this verse to kill her the way the verse instruct, I think they own a copy of christ papers, bible is full of evil to its followers.

I left religion for you!!! Ath3ism all the way

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