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Sweden Officially Joins NATO, Ending Decades Of Neutrality / Finland And Sweden Submit NATO Application Hand In Hand. / Russian Official Warns Finland, Sweden Against Joining NATO (2) (3) (4)
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Re: Sweden Officially Signs NATO Application by Excuzeme: 4:57am On May 18, 2022 |
NigerianSage: Do you know about the Cuban Missile Crisis? Do you remember that America was just about going to War over it (like Russia), if not that the Missile Deployment by USSR was dissuaded? Just for Reference, USSR formed an Alliance with Cuba (just like NATO is trying to form alliance with Ukraine) and wanted to deploy its Missile system in Cuba, NEXT DOOR to America. America declared it an 'existential threat" and vowed it will risk everything and turn Cuba to dust, if the deployment continues. The UN and other Nations intervened and USSR changed its mind. That would have been the third World War. As we speak, Israel is still bombing Iran Nuclear Sites inside Iran, because Israel has declared that Iran having a Nuclear Weapon, is an Existential threat" to it Today, Russia has declared Ukraine joining NATO, "An Existential threat" (not Sweden, not Finland) and has for the past five years been warning that it would not allow it. Unfortunately, Ukraine trusted that America will send its Soldiers to come and fight Russia in Ukraine and so it continued on that path of ignominy. Just like America, no world Power will allow another World Power (enemy) to come and use its Neighbor as a staging post for attacks against it. Russia is not an exception, whether we like it or not We have to see the "big Picture" and see the "Whole Picture", to "Properly analyze" these Events. NB: Views expressed here are just' Opinions' and they are for Educational purposes only 1 Like |
Re: Sweden Officially Signs NATO Application by NigerianSage: 5:01am On May 18, 2022 |
Excuzeme: 1. Putin sent more fighters, more tanks, more military hardware and support infrastructure to Ukraine than the West sent to Ukraine. 2, Russia has over 3,000 aircraft, Ukraine has nothing and the west did not send any. 3. Russia has 2,500 cruise missiles, Ukraine has nothing and the West did not send any. 4. Russia has 1,500 combat helicopters, Ukrain has none and the West did not send any. 5. Russia has 6,000 artillery pieces. Ukraine has 1,800. 6. Russia has 36,000 armored vehicles, and Ukrain has 7,000 The list goes on.. Now, when people like you and other Putin fans go on and on about the West and 30 countries fighting Russia, you are basically scoring your own goal because regardless of the weapons the West sent to Ukraine, Russia retains the advantage many times over from land, sea to air. What killed Russia in Ukraine are MANPADS, basic shoulder-held weapons that decimated many Russian convoys, tanks, and supply lines. You are not making any sense because what the West sent to Ukraine is minuscule to Russia's arsenal. Ukrainians are doing more with less, they are better militarily and strategically, and they are more disciplined, more focused, more determined, and exceptionally good at what they do. You can take the horse to the stream, but you can not force the horse to drink, meaning even though the West sent weapons to Ukraine, Ukrainians did the fighting on their own. Putin fans are always scoring their own goals and turning their own logic upside down, even to make Russia look bad. 2 Likes |
Re: Sweden Officially Signs NATO Application by Excuzeme: 5:12am On May 18, 2022 |
NigerianSage: I would have robustly responded to your Post, because l do enjoy educative discussions but l wont because it appears that you cannot discuss with0ut INSULTING your co-debater. Saying "I am not making Sense", is insulting. I wont say so to you (as you can see in my lengthy Posts, No Insults) and l wont accept it from you or anyone, l would rather not engage anyone who insults others to get their point across. Cheers. 1 Like |
Re: Sweden Officially Signs NATO Application by NigerianSage: 5:30am On May 18, 2022 |
Excuzeme: So, if you didn't make sense, I can not say you are not making sense? Yes, you did not make any sense and that's not an insult, I stated facts based on your post because I don't see the sense in going on and on about NATO and 30 countries fighting Russia when in fact NATO is not on the ground fighting for Ukraine and regardless of the mainly MANPADS and artillery pieces the West sent to Ukraine, Russia retained overwhelming advantage over Ukrain from land to sea and air. It's quite easy to conclude that your post made no sense. I know your type, when you are confronted with your own flawed posts and reasonings, you hide behind shouts and claims of insults and run away, all because you can not intelligently respond to or counter superior facts and arguments. You are free to run away because you are not making sense, you never do anyway. 3 Likes |
Re: Sweden Officially Signs NATO Application by Uruan2023: 5:42am On May 18, 2022 |
What if Russia moves to Mexico to set up a base?? It is very possible you know |
Re: Sweden Officially Signs NATO Application by Grandemperor(m): 5:57am On May 18, 2022 |
It is well-nigh impossible for all or a group of African countries to plan to annihilate one African country. We have always resolved issues without conspiring to intimidate a belligerent party, even when a coup occurs. The conspiracy in the Northern Hemisphere bespeaks of expansive truancy amongst barbarians unforeseen in our Hundredth World Countries - |
Re: Sweden Officially Signs NATO Application by Ameduedwin: 6:30am On May 18, 2022 |
Igbofam:see as you people Carry another country matter for head like say you guys have any things to game directly from this. But if Na your country now the story will be deferent. 1 Like |
Re: Sweden Officially Signs NATO Application by Elidrisy20: 7:33am On May 18, 2022 |
Amayabor1:ok I will |
Re: Sweden Officially Signs NATO Application by tonguengineer(m): 7:47am On May 18, 2022 |
lecowas: Sure now. Is it not obvious |
Re: Sweden Officially Signs NATO Application by Nobody: 8:33am On May 18, 2022 |
Grandemperor: Well in 1978 Uganda invaded Tanzania and in the 1990s several African countries essentially fought in the DRC..and let's not forget Somalia's invasion of Eritrea in the 1970s |
Re: Sweden Officially Signs NATO Application by lecowas: 8:36am On May 18, 2022 |
Excuzeme: U’re right, what America is doing is not the best thing to do, but Russia has been bullying other neighboring countries instead of wooing them in a diplomatic way to form a strong alliance. Some of these countries have been neutral since the 2nd world war. Everyone is trying to develop what they have but Russia is trying to annex other people’s territory, hence the need for alliance with Russian enemy, the U.S |
Re: Sweden Officially Signs NATO Application by Mccullum: 8:46am On May 18, 2022 |
Excuzeme: you've nailed it, as many of them doesn't understand that no nation in possession of nuclear weapons can be invaded. 1 Like |
Re: Sweden Officially Signs NATO Application by NigerianSage: 9:45am On May 18, 2022 |
Mccullum: I bet Ukraine is regretting and slapping themselves for giving up their own Nuke stockpile after the fall of the USSR, but they have the skills, tech, and capacity to build their own nukes all over, they have rocket tech, and they built many of the USSR's ICBMs, China is a major military power today because of the tech and know-how they sourced from Ukraine. Putin just unleashed the beast in Ukraine and there's no turning back, Ukraine and the West will militarize Ukraine the Putin's next adventure into Ukraine would be a suicide mission. |
Re: Sweden Officially Signs NATO Application by Sixfiguresmart(m): 10:04am On May 18, 2022 |
me Cubalabloo: |
Re: Sweden Officially Signs NATO Application by Sixfiguresmart(m): 10:05am On May 18, 2022 |
Do you think the west can defeat Boko Haram without nukes? ken6488: 1 Like |
Re: Sweden Officially Signs NATO Application by ken6488(m): 10:34am On May 18, 2022 |
Sixfiguresmart:I can't tell Vietnam single handed defeated USA, China, France |
Re: Sweden Officially Signs NATO Application by Bluntemperor: 10:54am On May 18, 2022 |
YoungLionken: Dictators like Mr Putin would like the World to crumble with him,as such a despotic leaders don't die alone.For example- Hitler of Germany. Why should you say people who are free cannot exercise that freedom, unless they come to you,as this is the case of Ukraine and his default has aggravated others like Sweden who were sitting on the fence before this time! This same Putin that would not allowed us enjoy the Ajaokuta Steel Complex by writing it in Russian language,is now destroying the Ukrainian Steel Complex,of course, with evil conervance of Nigerians in power then! How could a man be this selfish? Before Putin leaves the stage,he would have damaged the Russian's credibility! Nonsense! 1 Like |
Re: Sweden Officially Signs NATO Application by Father4all: 11:15am On May 18, 2022 |
NigerianSage:you don't know what is happening in the world. You are in the DARK 1 Like |
Re: Sweden Officially Signs NATO Application by Truvelisback(m): 12:01pm On May 18, 2022 |
Let's wait and see.
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Re: Sweden Officially Signs NATO Application by Abujaexpress: 12:13pm On May 18, 2022 |
Cubalabloo:Don't worry, the two countries will engage Turkey in constructive negotiations. That's a small hurdle |
Re: Sweden Officially Signs NATO Application by goodheart01: 12:22pm On May 18, 2022 |
Excuzeme: There’s a difference between someone airing views and someone sounding stupid. That comment from that dude was a stupid and moronic one. Sometimes I wonder what they smoke before coming online to drop comments |
Re: Sweden Officially Signs NATO Application by Sixfiguresmart(m): 1:16pm On May 18, 2022 |
You have a good case. ken6488: |
Re: Sweden Officially Signs NATO Application by Excuzeme: 9:25pm On May 18, 2022 |
NigerianSage: Well, l wont blame you. It is a matter of UPBRINGING. In some Households, Children and Parents tell themselves that "Seems you are crazy", "Thunder fire you", "You dont have sense", "You are an idiot", etc. To them, it is "NORMAL". For other Households, Children are raised to say "Please", before they even make a "Request" and to say "Thank you", as a matter of Courtesy! This is the kind of Household l was raised-in, by my Parents and it is obvious we were not raised in the same type of Environment. BTW: It is WEAPONS, used by Trained Personnel, that Win Wars! NATO has been giving their Weapons to Ukraine and training Ukrainian Soldiers to use it on Russia. So, effectively, it is NATO fighting a Proxy War with Russia. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Sweden Officially Signs NATO Application by Excuzeme: 9:28pm On May 18, 2022 |
lecowas: Thank you for this insight and angle into the issue. I will respond to your post, in a few hours, if you dont mind. 1 Like |
Re: Sweden Officially Signs NATO Application by Excuzeme: 4:48am On May 19, 2022 |
goodheart01: My own point of view on this is that: - Using foul and insulting Language on someone, for their opinion on a Public forum, is PATENTLY WRONG. I mean, what do we gain from doing so? The person being abused is Unknown, a complete stranger, so why? - Non of us here is an "Expert" on International Politics, Int. Relations or War Politics. - All of us are just expressing "our opinion" on the current issue and it is not surprising that each person thinks their opinion is superior while the other person thinks it is Bullshyte! Just like 6 & 9, what is facing someone here, may be backing another person over there! All of us cannot see things the same way afteral, we are not using the same brain or the same eyes! What we need to do is to be CIVIL and show respect for one another though, not necessarily accept what the other person is saying but you can DISAGREE in a Civil, Polite and Respectful manner. It does not cost one anything but it says a lot about how one is able to control one's Emotions and also about one's upbringing. 1 Like |
Re: Sweden Officially Signs NATO Application by NigerianSage: 6:22am On May 19, 2022 |
Excuzeme: 1. This is the reason why I keep saying you hardly make sense, I said it is Ukrainians doing the fighting on the ground and not NATO, now it is trained personnel? Who are the trained personnel? Ukrainian military or NATO or is it even the poorly trained, poorly equipped, and demoralized Russian troops? 2. You just contradicted yourself again by saying even though NATO is sending weapons to Ukraine, it is Ukrainians that are doing the fighting. 3. Now, this is the most important flaw in your flawed thinking and argument, are you saying the Javelins, drones, and artillery pieces that the West is sending to Ukraine means Ukraine is more powerful than Russia and Russia can not defeat Ukraine because of common Javelins, drones and artilleries.? 4. Your are poorly defending Putin, in fact, you are making him look weak and the Russian military useless and incapable of fighing a small enemy because or ordinary Javelins and drones. Or Javelines and Turkish drones erased Russia's overwhelming many times more powerful arsenal? You see now why I keep saying you hardly nake sense? Btw, had to skip over the rest of your posts, they are just gibberish. You talk about insults, but you insult people all over the place. What's parents got to do with the topic? Is it ok for me to say you don't make sense because your parents did not teach you how to make sense? Don't insult people and saying you don't make sense is not an insult, it's a statement of fact based on the things you post, you contradict yourself and misplace your own thoughts and facts. Just read over what you type before posting. |
Re: Sweden Officially Signs NATO Application by tjclassix: 4:00pm On May 20, 2022 |
pennywys:just because Ukraine are yet to be integrated into NATO. If Ukraine has joined already Russia will not attack them |
Re: Sweden Officially Signs NATO Application by Grandemperor(m): 9:57pm On May 23, 2022 |
subsidywise18: :........... Uganda's invasion of Tanzania and the disparate Somali invasion of Eritrea are not conspiracies. Whereas, certain countries may have conspired to fight in Zaire for the Liberation of the Congo, there was no desperation to annihilate the African country. That is unlike in the instant scenario where extraneous forces have conspired or have been conspiring to debilitate Russia's influence by creating NATO immediately at the eclipse of WWII. |
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