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People in heaven were created to be saved while people in hell were created to be destroyed.

Hope2014:
People in heaven were created to be saved while people in hell were created to be destroyed.

This doesn't make sense this since Heaven, and Hell is a choice made by the living..

Kobojunkie:
This doesn't make sense this since Heaven, and Hell is a choice made by the living..

I think we are predestined to our fate.
Jesus told Peter that before the cock crows He will deny him trice yet peter did that within minutes.

Kingpin1000:
I think we are predestined to our fate.
Jesus told Peter that before the cock crows He will deny him trice yet peter did that within minutes.

I don't Jesus Christ knowing the choice Peter would make meant Peter was predestined in some way by a force outside of his own mind to make the choice he did.

Think of it more like Jesus Christ had a sort of insight into the workings of the mind of Peter. Jesus Christ was able to see into Peter's mind to know what Peter would do even before Peter did it.

Kobojunkie:
I don't Jesus Christ knowing the choice Peter would make meant Peter was predestined in some way by a force outside of his own mind to make the choice he did.

Think of it more like Jesus Christ had a sort of insight into the workings of the mind of Peter. Jesus Christ was able to see into Peter's mind to know what Peter would do even before Peter did it.

Jesus was not guessing, He categorically knew the End.
That was why even Judas fell after all the warning. We are predestined. To our fates.

Kingpin1000:
I think we are predestined to our fate.
Jesus told Peter that before the cock crows He will deny him trice yet peter did that within minutes.

Paul made it clear, that all the works have been finished since the foundation of the world. Also said, no man has resisted God's will. Isaiah said he everything shall be the esteemed by the Potter.

Hope2014:
Paul made it clear, that all the works have been finished since the foundation of the world. Also said, no man has resisted God's will. Isaiah said he everything shall be the esteemed by the Potter.

Reason God made the statement regarding Esau and Jacob.

Kingpin1000:
Reason God made the statement regarding Esau and Jacob.

And he has always made the first last and the last first in the case of Saul and David.

Kingpin1000:
Jesus was not guessing, He categorically knew the End.
That was why even Judas fell after all the warning. We are predestined. To our fates.

I didn't say that Jesus Christ guessed it at all. God's knows our very intentions even before we act on them. That in no way means He influences them or predestined them.

Kobojunkie:
I didn't say that Jesus Christ guessed it at all. God's knows our very intentions even before we act on them. That in no way means He influences them or predestined them.

What did the bible say about Esau and Jacob about Hod's love for them?

Kobojunkie:
I didn't say that Jesus Christ guessed it at all. God's knows our very intentions even before we act on them. That in no way means He influences them or predestined them.

What does Roman's 9:15 says ?

Kingpin1000:
What did the bible say about Esau and Jacob about Hod's love for them?

The author of Genesis tells us God fore-knew them and chose Jacob over Esau. That in no way implies that God "predestined" Jacob.

Kingpin1000:
What does Roman's 9:15 says ?

What does God showing mercy to whomever He wishes to do with anything. God pours out His mercy every single day on the wicked and unrighteousness world as is written, so what?

Kobojunkie:
The author of Genesis tells us God fore-knew them and chose Jacob over Esau. That in no way implies that God "predestined" Jacob.

Who creates the heart of men. Also God puts it in the hearts of men to fulfill his will. That will be either destruction or glorification

Kobojunkie:
The author of Genesis tells us God fore-knew them and chose Jacob over Esau. That in no way implies that God "predestined" Jacob.

It tells a lot about Presdestination, no matter what Esau did, God will never love him.
When you compare both characters of Esau and Jacob you find out who is better.

Kobojunkie:
What does God showing mercy to whomever He wishes to do with anything. God pours out His mercy every single day on the wicked and unrighteousness world as is written, so what?

Which scripture says so?

Kingpin1000:
It tells a lot about Presdestination, no matter what Esau did, God will never love him.
When you compare both characters of Esau and Jacob you find out who is better.

I swear, no matter what Esau did will make God love him.

Hope2014:
Who creates the heart of men. Also God puts it in the hearts of men to fulfill his will. That will be either destruction or glorification

Are you somehow attempting to insinuate that because men were created by God that in turn implies they were predestined by Him?

Hope2014:
People in heaven were created to be saved while people in hell were created to be destroyed.

Angels lived in heaven and they fell and are kept in hell for destruction.

People lived on earth and they sent themselves to hell for destruction.

That is what the Bible shows but you must be talking about a movie or something.

Kingpin1000:
I think we are predestined to our fate.
Jesus told Peter that before the cock crows He will deny him trice yet peter did that within minutes.

Same as predicting that you would fail your exams if you do not read or you are going to die by accident because you speed excessively.

You have a hand and leg in directing your destination.

Kingpin1000:
That was why even Judas fell after all the warning. We are predestined. To our fates.

Exactly like foretelling a boxer showing, plaited hair, weed smoker will be a cultist and yahoo boy who shall end either dead on the street or in prison as he chose for himself.

Dtruthspeaker:
Angels lived in heaven and they fell and are kept in hell for destruction.

People lived on earth and they sent themselves to hell for destruction.

That is what the Bible shows but you must be talking about a movie or something.

Yes it looks true what you are saying. But Romans 9 speak otherwise.

Hope2014:
Who creates the heart of men. Also God puts it in the hearts of men to fulfill his will. That will be either destruction or glorification

Here, you prove that interference is not the same as destination.

Kingpin1000:
It tells a lot about Presdestination, no matter what Esau did, God will never love him.
When you compare both characters of Esau and Jacob you find out who is better.

Esau went on to become rich and his descendants became a Nation -Edom - even before Israel become one. What part of that means God did not love Esau?

You clearly misunderstood what is written there. God needed someone to build his own nation out of and what the writer wrote was that God chose Jacob for that plan, not Esau.

God chose some of the worst for His plan. I mean even the 12 sons of Jacob, most of them, had questionable characters. And don't get me started on the Levites - a murderous bunch who God went on to set up as priests in Israel..

Dtruthspeaker:
Same as predicting that you would fail your exams if you do not read or you are going to die by accident because you speed excessively.

You have a hand and leg in directing your destination.

Do you know someone might be walking towards destruction and think he or she is walking towards heaven because God has hidden some things from the person

Hope2014:
Do you know someone might be walking towards destruction and think he or she is walking towards heaven because God has hidden some things from the person

You mean a person may not even realize that it is wrong to commit murder because God has somehow hidden this fact from the person?,

Hope2014:
Yes it looks true what you are saying. But Romans 9 speak otherwise.

Romans 9 says "Fear God Always, for He always has power to alter your life if He decides to and when He decides to".

Hope2014:
Do you know someone might be walking towards destruction and think he or she is walking towards heaven because God has hidden some things from the person

Most people are doing that!

But God is so too good that He puts up billboard size roads signs, yet the people ignore it. He even interferes and diverts them away from the road of destruction but they redivert themselves back to it.

All because they have seen that they have done their own thinking and it turned out right, therefore, they have confidence in themselves or in man or in counsel or in follow-follow.

But they never Listen to God nor hear what He has to say.

Dtruthspeaker:
Most people are doing that!

But God is so too good that He puts up billboard size roads signs, yet the people ignore it. He even interferes and diverts them away from the road of destruction but they redivert themselves back to it.

All because they have seen that they have done their own thinking and it turned out right, therefore, they have confidence in themselves or in man or in counsel or in follow-follow.

But they never Listen to God nor hear what He has to say.

That means only few end up listening to God

Dtruthspeaker:
Most people are doing that!

But God is so too good that He puts up billboard size roads signs, yet the people ignore it. He even interferes and diverts them away from the road of destruction but they redivert themselves back to it.

All because they have seen that they have done their own thinking and it turned out right, therefore, they have confidence in themselves or in man or in counsel or in follow-follow.

But they never Listen to God nor hear what He has to say.

The truth is many are trying to be saved but God has resisted them and no matter what they do fasting praying crying benevolence they can never be saved. So predestination really holds for God.

Hope2014:
People in heaven were created to be saved while people in hell were created to be destroyed.

NO!
God never destined people from the beginning the only thing He does is find a way to make His plans work, He always use humans to do this to put Satan to shame because Satan made the first human pair rebelled against God under the best condition, but God told Satan that under the most difficult conditions some of Adam's descendants will never rebel against God's authority.
As for heaven it's created for spirit beings not humans, it's the earth that God designed purposely for humans! Psalms 115:16

Hope2014:
The truth is many are trying to be saved but God has resisted them and no matter what they do fasting praying crying benevolence they can never be saved. So predestination really holds for God.

Not really. Many like not to die but they truly do not want to live.

Just remember your classroom how one of yours proposed a very good idea and everyone applauded that it was good but no one took it up to implement.

Same thing replicated in relationships and residents association.

If not that Good is Good, people would hate Good and be Anti-Good!