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Mikee19:
This isn't the compliment you think it is tho, and I'll tell you why:

You see, by their own admission, the GB of Jehovah's witnesses aren't inspired, which is why they've made numerous mistakes in time past. But in spite of this, everybody agrees with them whether they're right or wrong! Nobody even has a mind of his own to spot the wrong and disagree, and we saw that play out in all the failed prophecies that were made. Every single soul agreed with what was plainly wrong! Is this a compliment really? That even when there's wrong, everybody will keep agreeing, and not a single soul can spot the error, until the due date of the prophecies come about and it fails before they can see it?

The implication of this is that in matters not pertaining to prophecy, if there's no due date attached the a particular doctrine, absolutely nobody will ever be able to see that it wrong because there's no due date (like there is in prophecy) to reveal the error clearly for all people to see! You may even now be holding on to doctrinal errors that have no due date attached as in prophecy, and will therefore not every be able to know, since nothing serves to reveal it wrong, meanwhile everybody is busy agreeing to errors as in the past, only this time nobody ever gets to know without such due date!

For example, the GB have taught something, then changed it up later on, then much later do away totally with the changes, going back to the much earlier belief they initially had, and everybody just adjusts like that, believing each one each time until the GB change it again, with absolutely nobody at all able to see the wrong, everybody agreeing on errors as tho they are true! Scary! Certainly not a complement...

No, disagreements are HEALTHY. The ability to disagree is also what helps protect ppl from error:

NKJV 1Co 11:18-19: "¹⁸ For first of all, when you come together as a church, I hear that there are divisions among you, and in part I believe it. ¹⁹  For there must also be factions among you, that those who are approved may be recognized among you."

There MUST be disagreements! So that those with the truth can be seen! When everybody just blindly agrees with the leader and follow them upandan into error, nobody ever able to see it especially is there's no due date like in a prophecy, that's a scary phenomenon.

The unity Jesus was speaking about wasn't at all about agreeing totally about God's word so that nobody can detect when there r errors. It's about loving each other and being in unity and harmony with one another regardless of that! There were such disagreements in the early church as you can see Paul say so, and he said it's healthy and to be expected. If there's none today amongst JW, it is actually a problem, and NOT a compliment.

So by the end of the day they're able to gather people throughout the world, used the Bible to resolve all their racial disparities, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, erased the passion for vengeance and production of weapons from their hearts, taught them to forgo racism, politics and military services, finally made them vow never to raise weapons against anyone again! Isaiah 2:2-4

Jesus never said they will not make mistakes but "by their FRUIT" Matthew 7:16-18

So if they're the one and only group producing the fruitage of FAITH then i believe their journey or research towards pure worship has been a success no matter their past mistakes! James 2:18-26

MaxInDHouse:
So by the end of the day they're able to gather people throughout the world, used the Bible to resolve all their racial disparities, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, erased the passion for vengeance and production of weapons from their hearts, taught them to forgo racism, politics and military services, finally made them vow never to raise weapons against anyone again! Isaiah 2:2-4

Jesus never said they will not make mistakes but "by their FRUIT" Matthew 7:16-18

So if they're the one and only group producing the fruitage of FAITH then i believe their journey or research towards pure worship has been a success no matter their past mistakes! James 2:18-26

You shifted the goalpost though. This isn't what i was referring to. For all you know your entire worship may be a sham, because you are in "complete unity" even into error with no way to detect it! This is really the implication of the sort of "unity" you're proud of.

Regarding these you've just spoken of, there's such a thing as having a form of godliness and denying its power (2 Timothy 3:5). You can have such godly devotion, yet still be false. That "unity" will be your undoing

Mikee19:
You shifted the goalpost though. This isn't what i was referring to. For all you know your entire worship may be a sham, because you are in "complete unity" even into error with no way to detect it! This is really the implication of the sort of "unity" you're proud of.

Regarding these you've just spoken of, there's such a thing as having a form of godliness and denying its power (2 Timothy 3:5). You can have such godly devotion, yet still be false. That "unity" will be your undoing

Do you really know the import of what you're quoting?
My friend the Israelites were God's people yet they committed lots and lots of blunders even killing God's messengers but one thing is sure: the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob remain faithful to His promises that He will use them to accomplish His purpose in uniting faithful people throughout the earth.
After the death of Jesus Christ of Nazareth the Israelites lost God's favour and the followers of Christ became God's chosen people.
What about Jehovah's Witnesses organization today?
This people came from different races and were busy making research to find out how pure worship failed to achieve it's purpose and they went through thick and thin until God adopted them and shower them with His blessings because they were searching for Him with all their hearts.
So God doesn't count on mistakes but once you are ready to admit your error He remain faithful to you.
That's exactly what happened to JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES organization today.
Can you present a group having godly devotion and proving true to it's power?
Remember you can only prove true when you achieve God's purpose.
So Jehovah's Witnesses have proved that God's word (Bible) is POWERFULLY WORKING OUT BENEFITS in their midst! James 2:18-26

MaxInDHouse:
Do you really know the import of what you're quoting?
My friend the Israelites were God's people yet they committed lots and lots of blunders even killing God's messengers but one thing is sure: the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob remain faithful to His promises that He will use them to accomplish His purpose in uniting faithful people throughout the earth.
After the death of Jesus Christ of Nazareth the Israelites lost God's favour and the followers of Christ became God's chosen people.
What about Jehovah's Witnesses organization today?
This people came from different races and were busy making research to find out how pure worship failed to achieve it's purpose and they went through thick and thin until God adopted them and shower them with His blessings because they were searching for Him with all their hearts.
So God doesn't count on mistakes but once you are ready to admit your error He remain faithful to you.
That's exactly what happened to JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES organization today.
Can you present a group having godly devotion and proving true to it's power?
Remember you can only prove true when you achieve God's purpose.
So Jehovah's Witnesses have proved that God's word (Bible) is powerfully working out BENEFITS in their midst! James 2:18-26

Again, that "unity" of which you're so proud of is your Achilles heel! You will NEVER be able to detect wrong doctrine, EVER! You will agree with falsehood forever and ever if there's no due date to reveal it as false (since it didn't come to pass). You may even now be believing all things wrong from top to bottom, and have absolutely no way to know this, since everybody CANNOT disagree, but blindly follow each other into error, being happy y'all agree

Mikee19:
Again, that "unity" of which you're so proud of is your Achilles heel! You will NEVER be able to detect wrong doctrine, EVER! You will agree with falsehood forever and ever if there's no due date to reveal it as false (since it didn't come to pass). You may even now be believing all things wrong from top to bottom, and have absolutely no way to know this, since everybody CANNOT disagree, but blindly follow each other into error, being happy y'all agree

Errors while achieving what God promised in the Bible that His faithful worshipers will achieve during the endtime! Isaiah 2:2-4

This is really hilarious, why not say God Himself must be error?

@ Mikee19
I've always laughed each time you postpone your salvation thinking imperfect humans must be perfect while dealing with an unseen spirit. I know you're banking on the past errors of God's people but one thing is sure:

The first century Apostles committed blunders so if those who walked with Jesus makes mistakes what makes you think those who never saw him but relied only on what was written must be infallible?

Well know today that only the truth can achieve God's purpose for salvation among imperfect humans. If JWs could gather people throughout the earth and achieve what God said pure worship will achieve during the end time that means God is WORKING with them even though they are imperfect humans like you and i! Zechariah 8:23

MaxInDHouse:
This is really hilarious, why not say God Himself must be error?

God has never made errors, like EVER!
But you have...
Absolutely no comparison here

Mikee19:
God has never made errors, like EVER!
But you have...
Absolutely no comparison here

And do JWs claim they are God or God's people just like the Israelites and faithful prophets in Bible times who all made ERRORS?

God made a promise, JWs are achieving it and you want to discard their achievements because of errors while working towards it.

You're really really funny my friend!

MaxInDHouse:
@ I know you're banking on the past errors of God's people...

I am not. I only used it to show that even now your entire belief system may be a complete sham, and you would never be able to tell

MaxInDHouse:
The first century Apostles committed blunders so if those who walked with Jesus makes mistakes what makes you think those who never saw him but relied only on what was written must be infallible?

But they were inspired. You people are NOT! And have "complete unity" unlike the early church where they could disagree so that the truth can be seen. But nothing to check you from believing entire falsehood. I only used the examples of the due dates of failed prophecies to illustrate my point; that was the only check and balance you had to know that what you taught was wrong, because NOBODY was even able to spot the wrong in the teaching until the due date showed it to be false! Now imagine teaching without due date! How will you know this one with nothing to show it clearly cos it has no due date to reveal it? Answer: NO WAY!

MaxInDHouse:
Well know today that only the truth can achieve God's purpose for salvation among imperfect humans. If JWs could gather people throughout the earth and achieve what God said pure worship will achieve during the end time that means God is WORKING with them even though they are imperfect humans like you and i! Zechariah 8:23

Loool, don't get me started on this. A stagnant population with membership for years with news of many leaving? I'll just leave this point for now

Devil and Jesus are both Christian creations...

Mikee19:
I am not. I only used it to show that even now your entire belief system may be a complete sham, and you would never be able to tell

SHAM can't produce positive results {Matthew 7:16-18} so something is wrong in your thought!

But they were inspired. You people are NOT! And have "complete unity" unlike the early church where they could disagree so that the truth can be seen. But nothing to check you from believing entire falsehood. I only used the examples of the due dates of failed prophecies to illustrate my point; that was the only check and balance you had to know that what you taught was wrong, because NOBODY was even able to spot the wrong in the teaching until the due date showed it to be false! Now imagine teaching without due date! How will you know this one with nothing to show it clearly cos it has no due date to reveal it? Answer: NO WAY!

Their inspiration was for a purpose which is to complete God's message to mankind (Bible) that's why Paul said everything they were inspired to write were in parts {1Corin 13:9} so after the completion of God's word (Bible) all those GIFTS ceased {1Corin 13:8} that's why LOVE for God's word is what helped the JWs to achieve what you're seeing today not perfection {1Corin 13:13} you can never find a single publication where JWs mentioned a DATE regarding the end of the world but they keep proclaiming it just as John and Jesus did some 2,000 years ago! Matt 3:2; 4:17
So imagine you were alive back then and you grew so old to the age of 98 years like Apostle John will you still respond enthusiastically when Jesus said: "Yes! I'm coming quickly " ?
Well listen to what John the Apostle said in response to Jesus who said this same thing some 60 years earlier: "Amen! Come Lord Jesus" Revelations 22:20
My guy neither John the baptist nor Jesus of Nazareth nor Jehovah's Witnesses organization mentioned any specific date but they all kept proclaiming the end of the world!

Loool, don't get me started on this. A stagnant population with membership for years with news of many leaving? I'll just leave this point for now

Jesus performed great miraculous works and his teachings was perfect yet all his disciples left at a time they felt he's spewing gibberish except the twelve apostles. John 6:66-67
So why do the apostles stay behind?
Peter answered the way i will ask you today!

Have you found any better performing group that's fulfilling what God promised in the Bible than Jehovah's Witnesses today?

Peter told Jesus that even though many Jewish Rabbis were claiming they know God's word but none has teachings that's yield positive results like Jesus of Nazareth! John 6:68-69

@ Mikee19
I know you have lots of thought provoking questions in your mind but be rest assured that i Maximus have asked and received much more {Matt 7:7-8} than you can think of before i believe that Jehovah's Witnesses are the one and only group practicing what Jesus taught today!

NNTR:
Revelation 20:10
'And the devil who had deceived them was hurled into the lake of fire and burning brimstone (sulfur),
where the beast (Antichrist) and false prophet are also;
and they will be tormented day and night, forever and ever.'

Revelation 20:10
'And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.
This is the second death.'

Hell fire was never created for the devil and fallen angels, its the lake of fire that is
Death and hell also will be thrown into the lake of fire too

The devil and the demons (i.e. fallen celestial beings) have no souls, meaning, due to this, are not able to be saved, made right, improved, or corrected and so because of this, are irredeemable

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

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Image123:
Indeed, every sinner is going to the refuse dump in Jerusalem. Enjoy your knowledge.

With your quasi-sarcasm, wallow in your ignorance and incorrigibility mode

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Image123:
Indeed, every sinner is going to the refuse dump in Jerusalem. Enjoy your knowledge.

Ntor!

Only JWs agree on TEACHING! John 17:22

MaxInDHouse:
SHAM can't produce positive results {Matthew 7:16-18} so something is wrong in your thought!

Haba naw! Sham cannot produce something that has a form of godly devotion ( 2 Tim 3:5)? No naw... How do you poison a rat? If you put it on bare floor, will rat eat it? Must it not be on well garnished food to attract the rat to its death? How can someone be pulled in by false religion by Satan without something good to attract him? Why r you talking like this? Can something that looks very bad draw a person in? What's the proportion of poison with the great looking food that kills a rat? isn't the poison only small, with much more great food?

For sham to deceive, there must be good. PLENTY good! This is in order!

MaxInDHouse:
Their inspiration was for a purpose which is to complete God's message to mankind (Bible) that's why Paul said everything they were inspired to write were in parts {1Corin 13:9} so after the completion of God's word (Bible) all those GIFTS ceased {1Corin 13:8} that's why LOVE for God's word is what helped the JWs to achieve what you're seeing today not perfection {1Corin 13:13} you can never find a single publication where JWs mentioned a DATE regarding the end of the world but they keep proclaiming it just as John and Jesus did some 2,000 years ago! Matt 3:2; 4:17

Ha, not so ooo! Dates plenty now, haba! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfulfilled_Watch_Tower_Society_predictions
Very embarrassingly plenty sef. pls ooo...

MaxInDHouse:
So imagine you were alive back then and you grew so old to the age of 98 years like Apostle John will you still respond enthusiastically when Jesus said: "Yes! I'm coming quickly " ?
Well listen to what John the Apostle said in response to Jesus who said this same thing some 60 years earlier: "Amen! Come Lord Jesus" Revelations 22:20
My guy neither John the baptist nor Jesus of Nazareth nor Jehovah's Witnesses organization mentioned any specific date but they all kept proclaiming the end of the world!

This date issue! Haba!

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus performed great miraculous works and his teachings was perfect yet all his disciples left at a time they felt he's spewing gibberish except the twelve apostles. John 6:66-67
So why do the apostles stay behind?
Peter answered the way i will ask you today!

Have you found any better performing group that's fulfilling what God promised in the Bible than Jehovah's Witnesses today?

Peter told Jesus that even though many Jewish Rabbis were claiming they know God's word but none has teachings that's yield positive results like Jesus of Nazareth! John 6:68-69

No sir. Peter's issue was not "to where" they could go, but "to whom"! It was NEVER about any "better performing group" sir. It was NOT about ANY GROUP AT ALL for that matter, greatly performing or not! Even if there was a "better performing group", they still won't go there, because this was NOT about a group, BUT ABOUT THE PERSON OF JESUS CHRIST!

They said, "To WHOM shall we go", they didn't say "to WHERE"! Jesus is the messiah, so they can only go TO HIM!

MaxInDHouse:
@ Mikee19
I know you have lots of thought provoking questions in your mind but be rest assured that i Maximus have asked and received much more {Matt 7:7-8} than you can think of before i believe that Jehovah's Witnesses are the one and only group practicing what Jesus taught today!

You doctrine is FALSE, and you have NO WAY to know it. I do not have questions sir. Only God's word. Your doctrine CANNOT answer for it, but sadly you have just shown just why it is hard for a JW to acknowledge the truth of God's word. Because you must always be in "unity", having no ability whatsoever to disagree with teaching of the organization, but must always agree, even when it may be erroneous. You simply have no ability to disagree with anything you're taught but must hold on to it as truth, even when it may be false

Mikee19:
Haba naw! Sham cannot produce something that has a form of godly devotion ( 2 Tim 3:5)? No naw... How do you poison a rat? If you put it on bare floor, will rat eat it? Must it not be on well garnished food to attract the rat to its death? How can someone be pulled in by false religion by Satan without something good to attract him? Why r you talking like this? Can something that looks very bad draw a person in? What's the proportion of poison with the great looking food that kills a rat? isn't the poison only small, with much more great food?

For sham to deceive, there must be good. PLENTY good! This is in order!

SHAM can't produce what JWs are producing globally in all tribes of the earth so you are mistaken!

Ha, not so ooo! Dates plenty now, haba! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfulfilled_Watch_Tower_Society_predictions
Very embarrassingly plenty sef. pls ooo...
This date issue! Haba!

Nobody gave you any specific date, neither John the baptist, Jesus of Nazareth nor Jehovah's Witnesses. All are just proclaiming the end of the world!

No sir. Peter's issue was not "to where" they could go, but "to whom"! It was NEVER about any "better performing group" sir. It was NOT about ANY GROUP AT ALL for that matter, greatly performing or not! Even if there was a "better performing group", they still won't go there, because this was NOT about a group, BUT ABOUT THE PERSON OF JESUS CHRIST!

They said, "To WHOM shall we go", they didn't say "to WHERE"! Jesus is the messiah, so they can only go TO HIM!

Hen nah!
If you say JWs are poisoning their members with SHAM {John 6:61-65} and so many left the organization {John 6:66} can't you present a better group? John 6:67-68

Mikee19:
You doctrine is FALSE, and you have NO WAY to know it. I do not have questions sir. Only God's word. Your doctrine CANNOT answer for it, but sadly you have just shown just why it is hard for a JW to acknowledge the truth of God's word. Because you must always be in "unity", having no ability whatsoever to disagree with teaching of the organization, but must always agree, even when it may be erroneous. You simply have no ability to disagree with anything you're taught but must hold on to it as truth, even when it may be false

In the first century there were various rival religious groups among the Jews, all of them agreed that Jesus and his disciples are teaching heresy but they can't agree among themselves like Jesus' disciples did! John 17:22
Romans 16:17 compare to 1Corin 1:10

MaxInDHouse:
Oh, you're getting annoyed already!

Why not present the name of your church and start speaking of the things Holy Spirit taught, let's see members of your so called denomination prove here that you have the same line of thought just as Jesus prophesied regarding Jehovah's Witnesses! John 17:22

Your foolishness and hypocrisy irks me as it irked the Lord Jesus when He encountered your fathers. You've been glibly quoting the High Priestly prayer of our Lord to achieve your selfish gains. What do you think stops any believer from quoting same? Are you aware, have you read that the prayer was for all who believe in Jesus and not for some cult Jwickedness?

Joh 17:22  And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 
Joh 17:20  Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 


He was praying for the Unity of His Body, the church, believers, not for the cult hall of asleep salesmen. You should not be so myopic as not to know that various bodies and organisations have unity and are one in what they do. Unity is a prayer for the church, not a sign that it is the church, don't be fooled. As beautiful as unity is, the people at the tower of Babel were united. There are brands, banks, political parties, International organisations and religious organisations that are and claim to be united in what they do. It is not a sole claim of your denomination. Muslins also claim it all over the world and most of their teachings are largely same. Hindus, Budhists and many other idolaters claim unity. Many of the orthodox churches also claim unity within each other. Many pentecostal denominations also claim unity so i don't really see why you behave like an ostrich everytime. Open your eyes and look around you.

Mikee19:
No sir. Peter's issue was not "to where" they could go, but "to whom"! It was NEVER about any "better performing group" sir. It was NOT about ANY GROUP AT ALL for that matter, greatly performing or not! Even if there was a "better performing group", they still won't go there, because this was NOT about a group, BUT ABOUT THE PERSON OF JESUS CHRIST!

They said, "To WHOM shall we go", they didn't say "to WHERE"! Jesus is the messiah, so they can only go TO HIM!

You just deflated his balloon with a pin with this reply

Image123:
Your foolishness and hypocrisy irks me as it irked the Lord Jesus when He encountered your fathers. You've been glibly quoting the High Priestly prayer of our Lord to achieve your selfish gains. What do you think stops any believer from quoting same? Are you aware, have you read that the prayer was for all who believe in Jesus and not for some cult Jwickedness?
Joh 17:22  And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 
Joh 17:20  Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 
He was praying for the Unity of His Body, the church, believers, not for the cult hall of asleep salesmen. You should not be so myopic as not to know that various bodies and organisations have unity and are one in what they do. Unity is a prayer for the church, not a sign that it is the church, don't be fooled. As beautiful as unity is, the people at the tower of Babel were united. There are brands, banks, political parties, International organisations and religious organisations that are and claim to be united in what they do. It is not a sole claim of your denomination. Muslins also claim it all over the world and most of their teachings are largely same. Hindus, Budhists and many other idolaters claim unity. Many of the orthodox churches also claim unity within each other. Many pentecostal denominations also claim unity so i don't really see why you behave like an ostrich everytime. Open your eyes and look around you.

I wonder how you and your fellow believer were arguing profusely against each other yet you want to prove that both of you are in the same BODY of your Christ!

At the mention of the group name "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES" all of you are alert that a member of a group having the same line of thought is here so you start asking questions based on the unique teachings that binds together ONE UNIQUE BODY OF BELIEVERS {John 17:22} but as for you and your cohorts it's
IṢU ATA YÁN-HAN YÀN-HAN
YAM PEPPER SCATTER SCATTER! Luke 11:23

MaxInDHouse:
I wonder how you and your fellow believer were arguing profusely against each other yet you want to prove that both of you are in the same BODY of your Christ!

At the mention of the group name "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES" all of you are alert that a member of a group having the same line of thought is here so you start asking questions based on the unique teachings that binds together ONE UNIQUE BODY OF BELIEVERS {John 17:22} but as for you and your cohorts it's
IṢU ATA YÁN-HAN YÀN-HAN
YAM PEPPER SCATTER SCATTER! Luke 11:23

Stay away from drunkeness, what you have written here cannot be explained otherwise.
Who was i arguing profusely with or you don't know the meaning of profusely? If you refer to disagreements and differing opinions, they did have them in the early church. No one was as foolish as a Jwickedness pawn to say that the church then was not the Body of Christ. They had differing opinions on who should serve them, who should be served, whether to circumcise or not, whether to preach to Gentiles or eat with them, even on marriage and divorce, eating idols food etc. Pretty much everything. Most of the epistles dealt with settling these differences and ignorance in the Body of Christ at that time. Good thing is that many of them were not contentious, many of them were not indoctrinated, and many were meek enough to receive the teaching and also confirm from the Word whether those things were so. They were not busy defending and hyping some sect or cult like zombies. Read the Bible for yourself and use your God given brain this guy.

Well said!

Image123:
Your foolishness and hypocrisy irks me as it irked the Lord Jesus when He encountered your fathers. You've been glibly quoting the High Priestly prayer of our Lord to achieve your selfish gains. What do you think stops any believer from quoting same? Are you aware, have you read that the prayer was for all who believe in Jesus and not for some cult Jwickedness?

Joh 17:22  And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 
Joh 17:20  Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 


He was praying for the Unity of His Body, the church, believers, not for the cult hall of asleep salesmen. You should not be so myopic as not to know that various bodies and organisations have unity and are one in what they do. Unity is a prayer for the church, not a sign that it is the church, don't be fooled. As beautiful as unity is, the people at the tower of Babel were united. There are brands, banks, political parties, International organisations and religious organisations that are and claim to be united in what they do. It is not a sole claim of your denomination. Muslins also claim it all over the world and most of their teachings are largely same. Hindus, Budhists and many other idolaters claim unity. Many of the orthodox churches also claim unity within each other. Many pentecostal denominations also claim unity so i don't really see why you behave like an ostrich everytime. Open your eyes and look around you.

MaxInDHouse:
Nobody gave you any specific date, neither John the baptist, Jesus of Nazareth nor Jehovah's Witnesses. All are just proclaiming the end of the world!

For everyone who may be deceived to believe what was said here, pls go thru this link: https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/changed-watchtower-teachings.php

Very extensive. There you will see links and proof of various dates JWs set, how they were also not honest over time, changing up things they said as tho they never said them. Right from their own publications. It's all there

MaxInDHouse:
Hen nah!
If you say JWs are poisoning their members with SHAM {John 6:61-65} and so many left the organization {John 6:66} can't you present a better group? John 6:67-68

Every other group is better, but that's not the point. I had already shown you it never has been about "better performing group" (as judged by your own set of rules/standard that your group set for itself; of course you'll score high by your own rules na!). A certain man was not part of the apostles "group", yet Jesus said he was yet for them (John 9:38-40). Jesus will at the end of ages judge people INDIVIDUALLY for their own works, NOT the group they belonged to.

MaxInDHouse:
In the first century there were various rival religious groups among the Jews, all of them agreed that Jesus and his disciples are teaching heresy but they can't agree among themselves like Jesus' disciples did! John 17:22
Romans 16:17 compare to 1Corin 1:10

Sigh. Where did you put 1 Cor 11:18-19 that i quoted? You just threw it away to bring in these that do not relate to what you are saying at all!

Ok let's have a look. The scriptures you gave speak of Paul asking them to AVOID divisions, but the one i gave asked them to EMBRACE them, stating that they MUST occur. Obviously then, context would be different, and we have to see which is best suited to JWs so-called "unity" such that they cannot see false doctrine if it exists, but always just agree with each other and follow each other into complete error. Let's take your scriptures first:

NKJV Ro 16:17: "¹⁷ Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them."

In this case, there were ppl whose "work" was to cause divisiveness btw people and make them offended! As in, these ppl were "professional" trouble makers! They were noted for what they always did! This isn't the case of some RANDOM set of ppl today seeing doctrine differently from others, such that they needed to know who was right, and who was "approved". No, they were a certain DEFINITE set of persons each time, who had one job only: to divide God's people! Of course they were to mark and avoid them na, who should associate with known trouble makers? This DOES NOT apply to "unity of beliefs regarding doctrine" in which you're trying to force it to apply to as it is merely the case of avoiding trouble makers, not "always agreeing with each other" even in doctrinal errors!

NKJV 1Co 1:10-12: "¹⁰ Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. ¹¹ For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloe’s household, that there are contentions among you. ¹² Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.”"

I'm not sure I need to say too much about this either. It is certainly worrisome if someone decided to say "I follow Paul not like you that follows Jesus" or "I follow Apollos instead". This EXACTLY was the error Paul was confronting! If this were you, would you commend that type of division? Certainly not! But again, this is obviously not of the same sort of "unity" being spoken of where everyone claims to be following Jesus but then go on to harbor doctrinal errors! When some people are segregating to the extent of saying they DO NOT follow Christ but Paul there's a huge problem way beyond doctrinal issues that must be resolved!

Now finally to where division is PROMISED amongst believers:

NKJV 1Co 11:18-19: "¹⁸ For first of all, when you come together as a church, I hear that there are divisions among you, and in part I believe it. ¹⁹ For there must also be factions among you, that those who are approved may be recognized among you."

According to this scripture, there MUST exist this type of factions AMONG TRUE BELIEVERS! If this type is missing amongst your organisation, there is a very serious problem. You may not be true Christians after all, for this MUST exist amongst them!

Now in this particular case, the division is all about KNOWING WHICH AMONGST THE BELIEVES HAVE THE APPROVAL FROM GOD in relation to proper worship of God as he had commanded; in fact this particular case was about the Lord's supper! And so Paul had to first set their doctrine right, so that their act of worship can now become right! Again, this sort of division MUST OCCUR amongst true Christians, and is even healthy! As has been said, this occurred all the time in the early church, such that letters had to be written to address the matters and to show what's right.

So when talking of unity/division amongst JWs such that they follow each other into error, believing errors with one mind, with nobody able to spot what's wrong ever? Which of these cases are applicable? This is the question you should have asked before using scripture!

- it isn't a case of "professional" trouble makers such that certain persons who take it as work to find trouble are to be noted and avoided, no! Romans 16:17 you quoted is NOT applicable here!

- neither is it a case of sects springing up unto different people, with some claiming to follow others apart from Jesus Christ. 1 Cor 1 you word is again NOT applicable here!

- it is CERTAINLY a case of proper/improper worship due to understanding of doctrine such as was addressed in 1 Cor 11! The type of division that MUST occur among true believers so that those whose understanding of God's word and practice of it is approved by God can be clearly seen!

When you use scripture, please use it properly...

This type of disagreement is healthy according to scripture. It MUST occur amongst true believers. There's something wrong with your organization where everybody is of the same mind even with doctrine so that y'all follow each other into error without having any way to know. This is anti-scripture. It is NOT how the true church of God operates. Your organization is FALSE!

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Stay away from drunkeness, what you have written here cannot be explained otherwise.
Who was i arguing profusely with or you don't know the meaning of profusely? If you refer to disagreements and differing opinions, they did have them in the early church. No one was as foolish as a Jwickedness pawn to say that the church then was not the Body of Christ. They had differing opinions on who should serve them, who should be served, whether to circumcise or not, whether to preach to Gentiles or eat with them, even on marriage and divorce, eating idols food etc. Pretty much everything. Most of the epistles dealt with settling these differences and ignorance in the Body of Christ at that time. Good thing is that many of them were not contentious, many of them were not indoctrinated, and many were meek enough to receive the teaching and also confirm from the Word whether those things were so. They were not busy defending and hyping some sect or cult like zombies. Read the Bible for yourself and use your God given brain this guy.

The highlighted never happened in true Christianity and it will never happen!

Once there is disagreement on how to carry out sacred service that means Satan is the God they're worshiping.
Paul had a disagreement with Barnabas when he wanted to travel with a Christian brother (Mark) not on scriptural opinion! Act 15:37-39
Peter as usual and few brothers were misled due the Jewish tradition and Paul corrected them! Gala 2:11-14
But just as Jesus prayed fervently to his father {John 17:22} they all had the same line of thought on sacred matters! 1Corin 1:10

So whatever makes you and your fellow Churchgoers disagree on scriptural topics then it simply means those teaching you has failed woefully {Matt 28:20} therefore you people can't be ONE BODY as you're thinking!

I know you people will shamelessly deny your contradicting opinion now but surely you and NNTR are not on the same page Sir!

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Indeed, every sinner is going to the refuse dump in Jerusalem. Enjoy your knowledge.

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With your quasi-sarcasm, wallow in your ignorance and incorrigibility mode

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted never happened in true Christianity and it will never happen!

Once there is disagreement on how to carry out sacred service that means Satan is the God they're worshiping.
Paul had a disagreement with Barnabas when he wanted to travel with a Christian brother (Mark) not on scriptural opinion! Act 15:37-39
Peter as usual and few brothers were misled due the Jewish tradition and Paul corrected them! Gala 2:11-14
But just as Jesus prayed fervently to his father {John 17:22} they all had the same line of thought on sacred matters! 1Corin 1:10

So whatever makes you and your fellow Churchgoers disagree on scriptural topics then it simply means those teaching you has failed woefully {Matt 28:20} therefore you people can't be ONE BODY as you're thinking!

I know you people will shamelessly deny your contradicting opinion now but surely you and NNRT are not on the same page Sir!

Your handlers have sent you answers at last. Shame on them, they should open your eyes and tell you that the disagreements you refer to are between different denominations and cults. Most other denominations, banks, mosques and even football clubs have the same teachings and doctrines internally, not different from what you claim a laughable monopoly over.
Is Peter part of the body or not, you just mentioned that he was misled. You hypocritically say disagreements never happened and will never happen. Then went ahead to talk of disagreements from Paul to Barnabas to Peter. Do you read before posting at all or just copy and paste? What is scriptural opinion or sacred matters? Is circumcision, preaching to gentiles, eating with Gentiles, marriage, divorce sacred matters. Or some talk about lake of fire or hell fire is more sacred? Take that brain of yours from where they kept it tomorrow in the sad hall. It's time to begin using it.

Mikee19:
For everyone who may be deceived to believe what was said here, pls go thru this link: https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/changed-watchtower-teachings.php
Very extensive. There you will see links and proof of various dates JWs set, how they were also not honest over time, changing up things they said as tho they never said them. Right from their own publications. It's all there

Bring your evidence where a specific date was mentioned in any JW publications by pasting the screenshot. All what you can see critics talking about are years when JWs preaching got intense about the coming of God's Kingdom, for your information that's exactly why 99.9% of Jews will never take John the baptist or Jesus of Nazareth seriously because they thought all their gragra during the first century never brought an end to the world neither did God's kingdom they're talking about come for almost 2,000 years.
So Jehovah's Witnesses are doing exactly the same thing now [b]they never made mention of any specific date i.e. (4-6-2022)

Every other group is better, but that's not the point. I had already shown you it never has been about "better performing group" (as judged by your own set of rules/standard that your group set for itself; of course you'll score high by your own rules na!). A certain man was not part of the apostles "group", yet Jesus said he was yet for them (John 9:38-40). Jesus will at the end of ages judge people INDIVIDUALLY for their own works, NOT the group they belonged to.

Do you know what, who or where Kobojunkie was thought? Perhaps you know about the group NNTR associates with at least those guys are in total disagreement with you and that's a good sign of BETTER PERFORMING GROUPS than JWs!

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Your handlers have sent you answers at last. Shame on them, they should open your eyes and tell you that the disagreements you refer to are between different denominations and cults. Most other denominations, banks, mosques and even football clubs have the same teachings and doctrines internally, not different from what you claim a laughable monopoly over.
Is Peter part of the body or not, you just mentioned that he was misled. You hypocritically say disagreements never happened and will never happen. Then went ahead to talk of disagreements from Paul to Barnabas to Peter. Do you read before posting at all or just copy and paste? What is scriptural opinion or sacred matters? Is circumcision, preaching to gentiles, eating with Gentiles, marriage, divorce sacred matters. Or some talk about lake of fire or hell fire is more sacred? Take that brain of yours from where they kept it tomorrow in the sad hall. It's time to begin using it.

I only come around when i'm less busy to expose your folly so don't think i need to go and ask anyone before using the scriptures to answer you guys.
Now learn: Paul and Barnabas disagreed on taking Mark along their ministry, Peter was corrected by Paul but no Christian disagree on whatever the Apostles and elders in Jerusalem the first century Governing Body concluded upon. Act 2:42; 15:2; 16:4

So where are those governing the affairs of all these rival groups claiming Christians with the contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines all in the name of ONE BODY today?

Well our own are the Governing Body of JWs in America, whatever they concluded upon must not be objected because Jesus did say whatever they bind or loosen on earth has been granted in heaven! Matt 16:19

Abeg respond with the use of scriptures we're not playing ludo here Sir!

MaxInDHouse:
Bring your evidence where a specific date was mentioned in any JW publications by pasting the screenshot. All what you can see critics talking about are years when JWs preaching got intense about the coming of God's Kingdom, for your information that's exactly why 99.9% of Jews will never take John the baptist or Jesus of Nazareth seriously because they thought all their gragra during the first century never brought an end to the world neither did God's kingdom they're talking about come for almost 2,000 years.
So Jehovah's Witnesses are doing exactly the same thing now [b]they never made mention of any specific date i.e. (4-6-2022)



Do you know what, who or where Kobojunkie was thought? Perhaps you know about the group NNTR associates with at least those guys are in total disagreement with you and that's a good sign of BETTER PERFORMING GROUPS than JWs!

If you didn't see them mention specific dates, if you didn't see the exact publications, I really can't help you to paste them here. That was a thorough job, complete with publications where they appeared. I will NOT repeat that job here

I've already addressed this issue of "better performing group" so much that i don't think I need to repeat myself anymore

It's like i need to TEACH you guys why Jesus laid so much emphasis on UNITY among his disciples! John 17:20-23

Jesus commissioned Christianity not for each individual to seek his personal goal Sir that's why he told us that each person should pray in secret to God if we're asking for personal needs {Matt 6:6} but we must pray together when it comes to the assignment he gave us, Jesus assured that he will come into our midst because that's what really concern him not earthly things each person desires! Matt 18:20

So if all of you belong to different sects how are you people going to WORK together like the first century Christians who had to report to the Apostles and elders Jerusalem about how it goes! Act 15:2; 16:4

That's why JWs are united and globally doing God's will today but you guys are confused so instead of going out to do the work you're here arguing over the contradictions Satan created in your midst!

Mikee19:
Sigh. Where did you put 1 Cor 11:18-19 that i quoted? You just threw it away to bring in these that do not relate to what you are saying at all!
Ok let's have a look. The scriptures you gave speak of Paul asking them to AVOID divisions, but the one i gave asked them to EMBRACE them, stating that they MUST occur. Obviously then, context would be different, and we have to see which is best suited to JWs so-called "unity" such that they cannot see false doctrine if it exists, but always just agree with each other and follow each other into complete error. Let's take your scriptures first:
NKJV Ro 16:17: "¹⁷ Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them."
In this case, there were ppl whose "work" was to cause divisiveness btw people and make them offended! As in, these ppl were "professional" trouble makers! They were noted for what they always did! This isn't the case of some RANDOM set of ppl today seeing doctrine differently from others, such that they needed to know who was right, and who was "approved". No, they were a certain DEFINITE set of persons each time, who had one job only: to divide God's people! Of course they were to mark and avoid them na, who should associate with known trouble makers? This DOES NOT apply to "unity of beliefs regarding doctrine" in which you're trying to force it to apply to as it is merely the case of avoiding trouble makers, not "always agreeing with each other" even in doctrinal errors!

NKJV 1Co 1:10-12: "¹⁰ Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. ¹¹ For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloe’s household, that there are contentions among you. ¹² Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.”"

I'm not sure I need to say too much about this either. It is certainly worrisome if someone decided to say "I follow Paul not like you that follows Jesus" or "I follow Apollos instead". This EXACTLY was the error Paul was confronting! If this were you, would you commend that type of division? Certainly not! But again, this is obviously not of the same sort of "unity" being spoken of where everyone claims to be following Jesus but then go on to harbor doctrinal errors! When some people are segregating to the extent of saying they DO NOT follow Christ but Paul there's a huge problem way beyond doctrinal issues that must be resolved!

Now finally to where division is PROMISED amongst believers:

NKJV 1Co 11:18-19: "¹⁸ For first of all, when you come together as a church, I hear that there are divisions among you, and in part I believe it. ¹⁹ For there must also be factions among you, that those who are approved may be recognized among you."

According to this scripture, there MUST exist this type of factions AMONG TRUE BELIEVERS! If this type is missing amongst your organisation, there is a very serious problem. You may not be true Christians after all, for this MUST exist amongst them!

Now in this particular case, the division is all about KNOWING WHICH AMONGST THE BELIEVES HAVE THE APPROVAL FROM GOD in relation to proper worship of God as he had commanded; in fact this particular case was about the Lord's supper! And so Paul had to first set their doctrine right, so that their act of worship can now become right! Again, this sort of division MUST OCCUR amongst true Christians, and is even healthy! As has been said, this occurred all the time in the early church, such that letters had to be written to address the matters and to show what's right.

So when talking of unity/division amongst JWs such that they follow each other into error, believing errors with one mind, with nobody able to spot what's wrong ever? Which of these cases are applicable? This is the question you should have asked before using scripture!

- it isn't a case of "professional" trouble makers such that certain persons who take it as work to find trouble are to be noted and avoided, no! Romans 16:17 you quoted is NOT applicable here!

- neither is it a case of sects springing up unto different people, with some claiming to follow others apart from Jesus Christ. 1 Cor 1 you word is again NOT applicable here!

- it is CERTAINLY a case of proper/improper worship due to understanding of doctrine such as was addressed in 1 Cor 11! The type of division that MUST occur among true believers so that those whose understanding of God's word and practice of it is approved by God can be clearly seen!

When you use scripture, please use it properly...

This type of disagreement is healthy according to scripture. It MUST occur amongst true believers. There's something wrong with your organization where everybody is of the same mind even with doctrine so that y'all follow each other into error without having any way to know. This is anti-scripture. It is NOT how the true church of God operates. Your organization is FALSE!

MaxInDHouse:
It's like i need to TEACH you guys why Jesus laid so much emphasis on UNITY among his disciples! John 17:20-23

Jesus commissioned Christianity not for each individual to seek his personal goal Sir that's why he told us that each person should pray in secret to God if we're asking for personal needs {Matt 6:6} but we must pray together when it comes to the assignment he gave us, Jesus assured that he will come into our midst because that's what really concern him not earthly things each person desires! Matt 18:20

So if all of you belong to different sects how are you people going to WORK together like the first century Christians who had to report to the Apostles and elders Jerusalem about how it goes! Act 15:2; 16:4

That's why JWs are united and globally doing God's will today but you guys are confused so instead of going out to do the work you're here arguing over the contradictions Satan created in your midst!

1 Cor 11:18-19. You will forever dodge this scripture in all your comments, and will always fail to address it like i have, because doing so will reveal your religion for what it truly is.

Ok lemme now dare you. Address what this scripture says. You cannot. And that is no sign enough to you.

Issokae