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LordReed:
I am saying not all my fellow man act within reason and some of them use religious excuses to act unreasonably.

Exactly! I am preaching for people to use their powers of reason AKA their brains, you are very correct! Thank you!

You don't need to mention, at least what are friends for?

One thing makes you differ from other preachers: You can't present any form of yardstick to measure the power of reasoning at least for you audience to be convinced that you've gotten something they really need!

So in a bid to shy away you're pretending not to set standards for them but in reality the way most people around you act is evidence of lack of reasoning. That's why mankind need a COUNSELOR through whose reasoning we can measure the level of intelligence in each human. That wise Counselor is Jesus Christ of Nazareth!

MaxInDHouse:
You don't need to mention, at least what are friends for?

One thing makes you differ from other preachers: You can't present any form of yardstick to measure the power of reasoning at least for you audience to be convinced that you've gotten something they really need!

So in a bid to shy away you're pretending not to set standards for them but in reality the way most people around you act is evidence of lack of reasoning. That's why mankind need a COUNSELOR through whose reasoning we can measure the level of intelligence in each human. That wise Counselor is Jesus Christ of Nazareth!

You missed my edit:

LordReed:
Is there any yardstick to measure the power of reasoning? There are but that is not what I am talking about. How you behave to your fellow man is the point.

Not when his words are twisted to misbehave towards others or even just used as they are. I have no problem with people believing in Jesus and wanting to follow his words but I have a problem when they want to use that belief to mistreat or denigrate others.

LordReed:
You missed my edit:
Not when his words are twisted to misbehave towards others or even just used as they are. I have no problem with people believing in Jesus and wanting to follow his words but I have a problem when they want to use that belief to mistreat or denigrate others.

OK, now i get you!

To be frank with you all those mistreating or denigrating their fellow humans based on what they know aren't true Christians!

Jesus never taught anyone to look down on his or her neighbour no matter what such a person believes, even if such a person wakes up in the morning makes a loaf of bread and coffee then bow before the meal saying "you are my God, in whom i trust because you're the one preserving me alive" Jesus taught us to love and appreciate such a person. We can't join him in worshiping bread and coffee but we can relate with him in a way that he himself will see the difference between truth and falsehood! Matthew 5:14-16

So despite the fact that Jesus is the most wonderful counselor of all time he never taught us to denigrate anyone, WHY? Because each person believes what he understands so it makes no sense to mistreat because of his submission?

Hermes119:
There is a glittering botanical error in that passage you quoted

This isn't about botany, it's figurative language

Firstly the mustard seed is not the smallest of all seeds like Jesus said

it might just be the smallest of seeds planted among the ancient Israel of that time.
If there is any smaller than the mustard found in Asia you wouldn't expect Jesus to use that as illustration to Israelites who knew nothing about it.

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Secondly when it grows up it is not the largest of all herbs like Jesus said [/question] it does not necessarily mean the tree should be the biggest, it's a parable or figure of speech.
Now, take a look at the mustard tree below.
No other seed as tiny as mustard seed could grow to such a big size except mustard seed itself.
That's the illustration.
[quote]Now to the topic,I'm not impressed by that prediction because of course it's a parable which is open to numerous interpretations.

The parable is not open to numerous interpretations, It is very specific.
The mustard seed refers to Christianity.
Christianity started as a tiny religion with just 120 people, among other large religions 2000 years ago.
Judaism was among the largest religions at that time.

What happened to Jesus simply saying something like ....."This religion I have instituted would become the greatest religion in future".

if he had put it that way then it would no more be parable but a literal statement.
Parables were meant to confuse the Pharisees of that time.

But even if I accept that your interpretation of the passage is correct,it's not so impressive that Jesus predicted that the movement he was starting would become so great in future I mean so many successful people predicted or envisaged there success,nothing extraordinary about that

it is more easy to predict future success than to predict bet9ja
If i plan for the future today, the outcome will certainly be good at all things being equal.
And bet9ja is more easy to predict than what will happen 2000 years from now, who does that?
Can anyone control the future up to 2000 years?

I would have thought you would quote a certain scripture
....behold I come soon....

over 2000years is not soon enough

behold i come soon is another figurative statement a lot of us didn't understand.
The day you die that is the day he will come for you.

Hebrews 9:27 As it is appointed once for men to die, after that the judgement

Everyone have their own date of his coming.

That means, when he told them 2000 years ago that he will come soon, he meant they will die soon.

LordReed:
It's not really a single book I reference to know that your god doesn't exist and in fact it's not really the books either, it's reality. Reality doesn't operate the way most of the so called holy books seem to portray it. Is there a bigger truth than the reality you and I both live in, I don't think so.

Of course the Bible would say that, any community would guide against loosing it's members. Jesus saying people would stop believing is like me saying the sun will rise tomorrow, it is any inevitability but is been harnessed by the Bible to prove some kind of magical/supernatural power. TB Joshua is the prime example for our times, claimed to have the ear of God but couldn't forsee his own death or plan accordingly. Fact is no supernatural insight into the future can be properly demonstrated. One can take several educated guesses and narrow down a desired outcome but that isn't a supernatural power. Humans are subject to all manner of repeating pressures and behaviours that predictability is not far fetched at all. This is why analysts exist, they can take data, figure out the trends and make predictions based on it, doesn't require any kind of godlike power to do.

inevitabilies like the sun will rise are consistent occurence. Predictions can be easily made that the sun will rise tommorow.

But when someone is saying that a movement that consistent of only 120 people today, will grow to become the largest movement in the world 2000 years from now, who does that?

Reason am now?

paxonel:
This isn't about botany, it's figurative language
it might just be the smallest of seeds planted among the ancient Israel of that time.
If there is any smaller than the mustard found in Asia you wouldn't expect Jesus to use that as illustration to Israelites who knew nothing about it.

You know at this point all I can say is I can't make you think otherwise, I mean if the bible says something and that doesn't happen you will find excuses wouldn't you
The scripture says "behold I come soon" and over 2000 years is just about late but you tell me that soon in that passage has a different meaning from soon in the English lexicon
Again the omniscient Jesus makes a hell of a blunder out of botany and you say I should excuse him for naivety
Fine,but I hope you see why I can't take you folks serious

paxonel:
behold i come soon is another figurative statement a lot of us didn't understand.
The day you die that is the day he will come for you.

Hebrews 9:27 As it is appointed once for men to die, after that the judgement

Everyone have their own date of his coming.

That means, when he told them 2000 years ago that he will come soon, he meant they will die soon.

You see what I'm saying
When we point out the problems in your scripture you start giving these crap excuses
Meanwhile present scriptural back up for the part highlighted

paxonel:
inevitabilies like the sun will rise are consistent occurence. Predictions can be easily made that the sun will rise tommorow.

But when someone is saying that a movement that consistent of only 120 people today, will grow to become the largest movement in the world 2000 years from now, who does that?

Reason am now?

Where did Jesus mention 2000 years?

Hermes119:
You see what I'm saying
When we point out the problems in your scripture you start giving these crap excuses
Meanwhile present scriptural back up for the part highlighted

I don't get you.
Are you requesting for a scriptural back up to show that we all die at different date?

Who doesn't know that?

There are certain truth you don't need bible to explain, you have to use your discretion to understand

LordReed:
Where did Jesus mention 2000 years?

That parable was a progressive statement, It does not necessarily mean he says 2000 years as time is still progressing.
Another 5000 or 15,000 years Christianity is still growing.

2000 years comes from reasoning that, if Jesus had made the statement 2000 years ago..?

You know the era in human history indicated as +AD is approximately 2000 years?
That's what we are saying.

Hermes119:
There is a glittering botanical error in that passage you quoted
Firstly the mustard seed is not the smallest of all seeds like Jesus said
Secondly when it grows up it is not the largest of all herbs like Jesus said
Now to the topic,I'm not impressed by that prediction because of course it's a parable which is open to numerous interpretations. What happened to Jesus simply saying something like ....."This religion I have instituted would become the greatest religion in future".

When Jesus actually returned in 1914 nobody believed the JWs because he returned as an invisible spirit King.
But then why using the mustard seed in his illustration? First of all the group Jesus started though was very small in number back then in the first century but definitely not the smallest religious group globally at the time.
Secondly Jesus' teachings was not popular like his name due to the fact that his disciples used his name to perform miracles everywhere they go in Israel.
So this is the meaning of Jesus' PARABLE of the mustard seed!
My teaching today is not acceptable even among my own people (Jews) but trust me, when this teaching began germinating in the minds of those who receive it they will take it to the most distant part of the earth and there will be no religion as successful as this little group in the nearest future.

How has this been fulfilled?
Jesus trained his followers to become soldiers who uses spiritual weapons instead of the usual physical weapons. Any other King will send out soldiers with physical weapons and force people to subject to his rules but Jesus trained his own with the spiritual sword (Bible) and sent his own out. Today millions of people globally have surrendered wholeheartedly to the teachings of Jesus Christ.
While all other religions are still confused on how to make LOVE, JOY and PEACE reign among the adherents of their religion Jesus' true disciples are envied globally as they have vowed never to raise weapons against anyone yet they're the most formidable force to the extent that tyrants like Vladimir Putin became worried despite the fact that Jesus' group don't use weapons this man declared them "TERRORISTS"
WHY? Because they keep winning the hearts of loyal citizens and erasing politics and racism from their hearts. Moreover the mission of any army is not just to kill as i've said in the beginning but to make opposers surrender to the commander of the army. Jesus' disciples didn't just make enemies surrender but have recruited them into Jesus' soldiers who only use the spiritual sword in their warfare!

Now tell me which religion do you know that has successfully achieved it's aim in accord with the teachings of the founder?
I was born a Muslim, Islam keep greeting SALAM (PEACE) yet weapons is what they're using to intimidate people. So does that show the religion has been successful in their so called PEACEFUL religion?

But even if I accept that your interpretation of the passage is correct,it's not so impressive that Jesus predicted that the movement he was starting would become so great in future I mean so many successful people predicted or envisaged there success,nothing extraordinary about that
I would have thought you would quote a certain scripture
....behold I come soon....
over 2000years is not soon enough

"I am coming soon" is what Jesus said but before then he told his disciples a parable that the religion will be contaminated by Satan who will plant his agents in their midst so that by the time the pioneers of Jesus' group have all slept in death Satan's agents will overthrow and establish Satan's system! Matthew 13:24-30

So any intelligent listener will know that Jesus' return can't be fast going by what humans call "soon" rather it will surely take a lengthy period since the fine seed will be aloud to continue growing side by side with the weeds until the time of harvest.
During the dark ages Satan's agents really used Jesus' name and their Satanic symbol (CROSS) to commit lots of atrocities, killing and intimidating people everywhere they go to force their religion on them.
But towards the time Jesus will return Satan knew very well that Jesus can't be stopped so Satan used America the world power to change the whole system introducing FREEDOM OF SPEECH, EXPRESSION, WORSHIP AND ASSOCIATION. With this Satan wanted to complicate issues before Jesus' arrival {Luke 18:8} he knew very well that if only few religions are claiming CHRISTIANS it will be easier for honest hearted individuals to IDENTIFY Jesus' true disciples. But under the atmosphere where countless sects claiming denominations with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines are everywhere Jesus himself will have to do a thorough job.
That's why the few religions in the early 19th century has rapidly increased to over 41,000 different sects today all claiming denominations in Christianity!
Well after Jesus' arrival in 1914 he searched but couldn't find any group practicing what he taught back in the first century so he chose a small group known back then as International Bible Students Association and gradually he was correcting all the blunders they've been fed in Satan's system, this took invisible Jesus another 17 years until his father adopted this group and changed their name to JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES in 1931. Isaiah 65:15

Satan didn't just give up immediately he began using his agents to criticize Jesus' restructured group by directing all his agents into picking whatever this group does and proclaiming it globally as "FALSE PROPHECIES" simply because they are telling people that God's kingdom is closer than ever.
What really baffles me is the way this stupid religionists keep picking at JWs counting the times they're preaching zealously about the end but never thought of what you just point out today. If Jesus said "i'm coming soon" some 2,000 years ago and nothing has happened then how come this religionists are claiming they believe in Jesus but criticizing JWs who are saying exactly the same thing today?

paxonel:
That parable was a progressive statement, It does not necessarily mean he says 2000 years as time is still progressing.
Another 5000 or 15,000 years Christianity is still growing.

2000 years comes from reasoning that, if Jesus had made the statement 2000 years ago..?

You know the era in human history indicated as +AD is approximately 2000 years?
That's what we are saying.

Ok so the Muslims are also divinely inspired I guess since they are the second largest religious group and by some accounts are the fastest growing religious group?

paxonel:
I don't get you.
Are you requesting for a scriptural back up to show that we all die at different date?

Who doesn't know that?

There are certain truth you don't need bible to explain, you have to use your discretion to understand

Strawman don start
I am not requesting a scriptural back up to show that we all die at different date
That wasn't what you said
Below is what you said
Everyone have their own date of his coming.
I am requesting for a scriptural back up for that

Paxonel was this passage fulfilled
Mathew 16 vs28
.”Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”

Hermes119:
Paxonel was this passage fulfilled
Mathew 16 vs28
.”Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”

the passage has been fulfilled.
The some standing here were his disciples standing with him at that time he was talking to them, they did not die or taste death until Jesus was crucified and resurrected.

The son of man coming in his kingdom refers to him being crucified and resurrected.

paxonel:
the passage has been fulfilled.
The some standing here were his disciples standing with him at that time he was talking to them, they did not die or taste death until Jesus was crucified and resurrected.

The son of man coming in his kingdom refers to him being crucified and resurrected.

You should know better to back this up
Bible refernces needed

Hermes119:
Strawman don start
I am not requesting a scriptural back up to show that we all die at different date
That wasn't what you said
Below is what you said
Everyone have their own date of his coming.
I am requesting for a scriptural back up for that

And i have said his coming in the context of the scripture you mentioned that says "behold i come soon" refers to the day we will die.
I quoted this scripture to back it up

Hebrews 9:27 As it is appointed once for men to die, after that the judgement

The essence of him coming is to judge humans, and that will happen only when we die.

You will also agree that everyone are not going to die at the same date. Hence my statement EVERYONE HAVE THEIR OWN DATE OF HIS COMING "

LordReed:
Ok so the Muslims are also divinely inspired I guess since they are the second largest religious group and by some accounts are the fastest growing religious group?

I really don't know if there are prophesies concerning the growth of Islam in the Quran. The one i know is that of Christianity which has been fulfilled and serves as evidence

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

God is not seen that's why you can say he does not exist right?
I'm telling you now that Faith is the evidence that, that God that is not seen exist

paxonel:
after you die perhaps another 90 or 100 years from now, people will still worship and talk about the same God you call imaginary, do you see how dumb you are?.

By then, your today post and agitation becomes useless like other atheists like you who agitated against God some 1000 years ago, and we living today don't even hear anything about them and their agitations anymore
and meanwhile, people are still talking about him today, making their agitation a waste of time and energy.

The same thing will apply, even the popularity of the God you call imaginary will outlived you after another100 years. That shows how powerful the God you call imaginary is, and you are nothing but a dead rat wasting his time talking

Lol, 100 years from now, your religion will loose relevance. You think we're still in the age where you'll tell a kid that a Jewish man died for them and they'll just accept in fear? In this age of internet?
Anyways, we'll all be dead, so it doesn't matter anyway.

kingxsamz:
Lol, 100 years from now, your religion will loose relevance. You think we're still in the age where you'll tell a kid that a Jewish man died for them and they'll just accept in fear? In this age of internet?
Anyways, we'll all be dead, so it doesn't matter anyway.

they will not accept in fear anymore, they will accept in knowledge that's what you don't know.

Go to Europe and other first world continents and see how Christianity is being practiced among knowledgeable young generations today. It has transcended what we do here in primitive Africa

kingxsamz:
Lol, 100 years from now, your religion will loose relevance. You think we're still in the age where you'll tell a kid that a Jewish man died for them and they'll just accept in fear? In this age of internet?
Anyways, we'll all be dead, so it doesn't matter anyway.

Lol, you that has already lost any hope of relevance is predicting about Christianity losing relevance. i should help you with the name Voltaire. He was a thousand times more relevant than you but you both obviously have been possessed by the same devil. SMH.

Image123:
Lol, you that has already lost any hope of relevance is predicting about Christianity losing relevance. i should help you with the name Voltaire. He was a thousand times more relevant than you but you both obviously have been possessed by the same devil. SMH.

This one has started masturbating over my posts. It's like a kink. Can't tell me otherwise.

kingxsamz:
This one has started masturbating over my posts. It's like a kink. Can't tell me otherwise.

What is a "kink" Samuel? Is that the work you are learning as an apprentice with all the money mummy is paying?

paxonel:
they will not accept in fear anymore, they will accept in knowledge that's what you don't know.

Go to Europe and other first world continents and see how Christianity is being practiced among knowledgeable young generations today. It has transcended what we do here in primitive Africa

Lmao, story.
Compare religious criticism of now and ten years ago. It's increasing. Even Christians now bash Christianity.
The younger generation are less religious than the older generation, and the younger generation don't really care much about religion. They'll only grow up to have more irreligious kids, and it goes on and on.
It's only the generation of pastor Adeboye and Oyedepo that are strict to religious practices. So...

Image123:
What is a "kink" Samuel? Is that the work you are learning as an apprentice with all the money mummy is paying?

Bro, I'm not gay. Stop being weird trying to get my attention. Na by force?

Hermes119:
You should know better to back this up
Bible refernces needed

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

this talked about Jesus being crucified and resurrected.

His resurrection was actually done with great power and glory.

If you read down in that same Matthew 24 , he specifically said that generation will not pass away until all these things are fulfilled.

kingxsamz:
Bro, I'm not gay. Stop being weird trying to get my attention. Na by force?

Am i getting your attention? Didn't mean to, just replying your message. Did you read about Voltaire?

Image123:
Am i getting your attention? Didn't mean to, just replying your message. Did you read about Voltaire?

Stop trying to figure out my life man. You don't know shlt. Apprentice ko.
And stop masturbating because of me, that's weird behavior.

kingxsamz:
Lmao, story.
Compare religious criticism of now and ten years ago. It's increasing. Even Christians now bash Christianity.
The younger generation are less religious than the older generation, and the younger generation don't really care much about religion. They'll only grow up to have more irreligious kids, and it goes on and on.
It's only the generation of pastor Adeboye and Oyedepo that are strict to religious practices. So...

Wake up Samuel, a little folding of hands to sleep can lead to serious poverty. What do the millions of people care about Muslim/Christian or Muslim/Muslim ticket since there's no much care about religion? Open those eyes bro, stop wasting their usefulness on pornography.

kingxsamz:
Stop trying to figure out my life man. You don't know shlt. Apprentice ko.
And stop masturbating because of me, that's weird behavior.

i don't have to figure out your life, i can see it clearly. You are on the road to perdition having one of the devils that possessed Voltaire. And mummy is very sad about it.

Image123:
i don't have to figure out your life, i can see it clearly. You are on the road to perdition having one of the devils that possessed Voltaire. And mummy is very sad about it.

Find someone else's to stalk and masturbate over abeg. If you dey find gay partner, you know where to look at.

kingxsamz:
Lmao, story.
Compare religious criticism of now and ten years ago. It's increasing. Even Christians now bash Christianity.

As a matter of fact, these kind of criticism helps to question dogmatic conservative beliefs and allows more realistic school of thoughts.
So, it is very healthy for Christianity today

Remember, it was the same kind of criticism Galelio made against the church in his time. Today, knowing that Galelio was right in his critism made the church better today in terms of cosmological knowledge

The younger generation are less religious than the older generation, and the younger generation don't really care much about religion. They'll only grow up to have more irreligious kids, and it goes on and on.

Christianity was never meant to be practiced religiously in the first place. It was suppose to be a day to day normal living.

John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

It's only the generation of pastor Adeboye and Oyedepo that are strict to religious practices. So...

at the time of the intense covid19 pandemic what happened?
For more than five months Adeboye and Oyedepo did not go to church again.

Did they die for not going to church?
The answer is no!

But before the pandemic it appeared that if these men miss going to church in one Sunday something terrible will happen to them.

There were Nigerians who had the same belief until the pandemic came and thought them a lesson