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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Konkoja: 9:10am On Jun 12, 2022
Criminal Trump really undermined decades of working and effective democratic norms.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZvSpqv3BvE

PS: I don't and won't respond to resident lunatics.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by basilico: 9:31am On Jun 12, 2022
Konkoja:
Criminal Trump really undermined decades of working and effective democratic norms.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZvSpqv3BvE


You are a lost mind This MF is feeding you a narrative. Media nowadays is about pushing ideas How u post this is ridiculous.
this guy is a Joe Biden supporter who never got 81m votes in the first case. Installed POTUS. Fake guy

You r too blind to see how media is manipulating you.
Good luck

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Livelystone01: 11:48am On Jun 12, 2022
Ibime:


Did Ukraine go to war, or were they attacked?

The way Una dey comment anyhow, as if they should rollover and let Russia take their lands. By the way Europe's 2nd largest reserves of gas were discovered in that Donbass and Crimea region in 2011. When they signed contract with BP to explore in 2013 is when Russia remembered they have 40% ethnic Russian speakers there and launched the seperatists on them. As if ethnic Russians are not in every former Soviet state. Latvia is 40% Russian and Kazakhstan is 35% Russian as an example.

Las las, the way Nigerians comment on matters of statehood, sovereignty and a rules based order that has governed states from seizing each others land by force since WW2, shows me that Nigerians have little democratic values.

What is going on in Ukraine, Ukraine's response and the West response is the best course of action to let any country know that Hitler style expansion by force will come with consequences. if you can't bear the consequences, think twice before trying to rewind the clock to the 1930s.
The way you comment in this thread shows how controlled you are.

You hardly make your points, instead you throw jabs up and down and expect someone to jump into the gutter with you. Know this, I don't come here to act like a pig in the mud, I say my opinion, if you want to discuss them do but instead you always try to force people to swallow whatever you drop and claim others are wrong without making them see from your angle. Isn't this Hitler pattern too?

My issue is with the Putin price hike used by president Biden, that's really the expression of cluelessness in my opinion. My take is that the president should find a way to sort the inflation instead of playing the blame game. By November, those Republicans will take advantage and win majority because the economy is a major issue in elections.

Secondly, you talk like you don't understand international politics. You act like you don't know that Russia has been a target for decades like China is now in the radar. (We know that they will never confront China directly instead they will use a smaller nation to push their agenda in order to sanction China down. When that happens, people like you will forget to see that they are angry that another "sovereign nation" is being systematically targeted).
The only way for the vultures to bring down the Russian economy was to throw a lot of sanctions on them by instigating what is going on.

You cannot judge what is happening in the present without looking at how the issue has been going on for almost a decade in the Russian speaking areas of Ukraine but since those you always follow what is analyzed in the media you will accuse whoever questions the origin of the issues in that region.

I have always said Russia was wrong to attack Ukraine, but trying to overlook the regional issues that led to this present war is akin to the parable of the ostrich.

Don't respond to me with tantrums or jabs in your one-sided view on issues if you want a response next time, or better still, scroll past my comment like I do yours if you are not open to discussion.

You use "you Nigerians" like you are from Mexico or like Nigerians shouldn't speak on issues. Isn't this another extremism?

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Ibime(m): 11:58am On Jun 12, 2022
Livelystone01:

I have always said Russia was wrong to attack Ukraine, but trying to overlook the regional issues that led to this present war is akin to the parable of the ostrich.

What are the regional issues that led to Russia attacking a sovereign state whom they guaranteed to protect its boundaries in 1992?

What are the regional issues that made all neighbours and former Soviet brothers flee from Russia?

What are the issues that got Russias foot on the neck of its unfortunate neighbours like Kyrgyzstan, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Turkmenistan who don't have the luxury of being on its Western border and can appeal to closer ties with Europe like Latvia, Estonia and co did

What are the issues that made Putin talk of collecting land from Finland just two days ago

I haven't insulted you in my original post but you've started screaming like someone under attack. Like I said since many Nigerians decide to be wicked and undemocratic as regards basic matters of democracy and sovereignty, it is no surprise that the country is in a mess. And where did I say "you Nigerians". Sort yourself out bro.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by benalvino3: 12:27pm On Jun 12, 2022
Ibime:


What are the regional issues that led to Russia attacking a sovereign state whom they guaranteed to protect its boundaries in 1992?

What are the regional issues that made all neighbours and former Soviet brothers flee from Russia?

What are the issues that got Russias foot on the neck of its unfortunate neighbours like Kyrgyzstan, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Turkmenistan who don't have the luxury of being on its Western border and can appeal to closer ties with Europe like Latvia, Estonia and co did

What are the issues that made Putin talk of collecting land from Finland just two days ago

I haven't insulted you in my original post but you've started screaming like someone under attack. Like I said since many Nigerians decide to be wicked and undemocratic as regards basic matters of democracy and sovereignty, it is no surprise that the country is in a mess. And where did I say "you Nigerians". Sort yourself out bro.

The first time you ever responded to me was to try and dig up dirts and shame me with it instead of responding to what I said.

You did exact same thing to BasedUsername. You talk you Nigerians like you are not one, you talk wickedness like you are not the color of wickedness.

Please shut up. He said if you cant respond to him like a sane person move along. No one is forcing you to respond.

Hypocrites like you are why Nigeria is shit and you are trying to shit on the country you ran to as well.

Address your temper and hatred before you talk about Nigerians.

You don't talk about sick people dying again because must of the things you try to scare us with are happening to your friends and relatives. Kidney this and that. Like where you are people are not dying.

I don't angry with much of what he said but don't act like you have a superior opinion...

Livelystone01 is allowed to have whatever opinion he wants. That's his own, so saying you Nigerians bla and bla is stupid.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 12:33pm On Jun 12, 2022
basilico:


Link to WEF globalization definition.
Accumulation of global power.

Trump came in to destroy that.

Globalization is an effort by big companies to expand their profits by shifting production to low wage slave countries/territories. Cheap electricity. Cheap labor

Lesson 1
Its about profits at the end of the day.

So, drumphgtps wanted to stop American companies from making "profit"?

Can you see why he lost the election in a nation that survives on profit making?

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Ibime(m): 12:40pm On Jun 12, 2022
benalvino3:

Livelystone01 is allowed to have whatever opinion he wants. That's his own, so saying you Nigerians bla and bla is stupid.

Will you show me in my original post where I said "you Nigerians"

First you have one sensitive nigga on heat, then another sensitive nigga on heat joining in.

This is my original post.

What part of my post stated "you Nigerians" or called for all that rubbish he typed except his own thin skin?

Ibime:


Did Ukraine go to war, or were they attacked?

The way Una dey comment anyhow, as if they should rollover and let Russia take their lands. By the way Europe's 2nd largest reserves of gas were discovered in that Donbass and Crimea region in 2011. When they signed contract with BP to explore in 2013 is when Russia remembered they have 40% ethnic Russian speakers there and launched the seperatists on them. As if ethnic Russians are not in every former Soviet state. Latvia is 40% Russian and Kazakhstan is 35% Russian as an example.

Las las, the way Nigerians comment on matters of statehood, sovereignty and a rules based order that has governed states from seizing each others land by force since WW2, shows me that Nigerians have little democratic values.

What is going on in Ukraine, Ukraine's response and the West response is the best course of action to let any country know that Hitler style expansion by force will come with consequences. if you can't bear the consequences, think twice before trying to rewind the clock to the 1930s.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by benalvino3: 12:50pm On Jun 12, 2022
Ibime:


Will you show me in my original post where I said "you Nigerians"

First you have one sensitive nigga on heat, then another sensitive nigga on heat joining in.

This is my original post.

What part of my post stated "you Nigerians" or called for all that rubbish he typed except his own thin skin?


I quoted from your post right? Why are you talking about original post?

I am not sensitive, calling out your hypocrisy is not sensitive. I specifically told you why you are a wicked person and also a Nigerian but you like to project don't you?

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 1:01pm On Jun 12, 2022
Ibime:

Will you show me in my original post where I said "you Nigerians"

First you have one sensitive nigga on heat, then another sensitive nigga on heat joining in.

This is my original post.

What part of my post stated "you Nigerians" or called for all that rubbish he typed except his own thin skin?

It is my opinion that you are far too intelligent for these magas, and we insult ourselves by acknowledging their worthless unfortunate existence.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Ibime(m): 1:02pm On Jun 12, 2022
benalvino3:


I quoted from your post right? Why are you talking about original post?

I am not sensitive, calling out your hypocrisy is not sensitive. I specifically told you why you are a wicked person and also a Nigerian but you like to project don't you?

My original post is what made him write ten paragraphs highlighting his own sensitivity. I ignored that and focussed on the koko of the discussion, only clarifying that I never said "you Nigerians". It is disconcert to see many Nigerians supporting the annexation of a sovereign country and killing of people based on flimsy talk, and that's my observation based on comments I see on Nairaland, which to me is the height of wickedness. He is free to address the koko of the matter as I have ignored his sensitivity. I have no problem with the guy. You have come with your own ten paragraphs of sensitivity

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Livelystone01: 1:15pm On Jun 12, 2022
Ibime:


What are the regional issues that led to Russia attacking a sovereign state whom they guaranteed to protect its boundaries in 1992?

What are the regional issues that made all neighbours and former Soviet brothers flee from Russia?

What are the issues that got Russias foot on the neck of its unfortunate neighbours like Kyrgyzstan, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Turkmenistan who don't have the luxury of being on its Western border and can appeal to closer ties with Europe like Latvia, Estonia and co did

What are the issues that made Putin talk of collecting land from Finland just two days ago

I haven't insulted you in my original post but you've started screaming like someone under attack. Like I said since many Nigerians decide to be wicked and undemocratic as regards basic matters of democracy and sovereignty, it is no surprise that the country is in a mess. And where did I say "you Nigerians". Sort yourself out bro.
How comfortable for you to dissect and respond to what you feel suits you.

I raised different issues from a president, I mean, the most powerful man worldwide calling a global inflation the name of another president. That is not wrong for you because he is in a line you work with. If another president had done that, or let's say the last president, wouldn't you have raised an alarm of his incompetence or cluelessness?

I have always preferred the Democrats but I will never accept everything they do, this is what objectivity is about, instead of just receiving everything as it is being analyzed in the media.

I raised another point about how China's economic and military growth has caused a panic to the US and her allies that they are creating an agency to counter it. My question is, why is the growth of another nation a cause for alarm for a people who chant freedom? Does it mean the freedom and growth of other nations must be how they define it?

We know they won't attack China directly but will create a mine field for china to walk in so as to justify their plans that have been in hatching.

Finally, I don't care if you quote me or not, my issue is if you are ready to discuss like a mature person who is in a public forum not a dictator who wants puppies for control.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by basilico: 1:20pm On Jun 12, 2022
Livelystone01:

How comfortable for you to dissect and respond to what you feel suits you.

I raised different issues from a president, I mean, the most powerful man worldwide calling a global inflation the name of another president. That is not wrong for you because he is in a line you work with. If another president had done that, or let's say the last president, wouldn't you have raised an alarm of his incompetence or cluelessness?

I have always preferred the Democrats but I will never accept everything they do, this is what objectivity is about, instead of just receiving everything as it is being analyzed in the media.

I raised another point about how China's economic and military growth has caused a panic to the US and her allies that they are creating an agency to counter it. My question is, why is the growth of another nation a cause for alarm for a people who chant freedom? Does it mean the freedom and growth of other nations must be how they define it?

We know they won't attack China directly but will create a mine field for china to walk in so as to justify their plans that have been in hatching.

Finally, I don't care if you quote me or not, my issue is if you are ready to discuss like a mature person who is in a public forum not a dictator who wants puppies for control.

Very sensible post.you get my like. too many ediots here who are brainwashed

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Ibime(m): 1:23pm On Jun 12, 2022
Livelystone01:

How comfortable for you to dissect and respond to what you feel suits you.

I raised different issues from a president, I mean, the most powerful man worldwide calling a global inflation the name of another president. That is not wrong for you because he is in a line you work with. If another president had done that, or let's say the last president, wouldn't you have raised an alarm of his incompetence or cluelessness?

I have always preferred the Democrats but I will never accept everything they do, this is what objectivity is about, instead of just receiving everything as it is being analyzed in the media.

I raised another point about how China's economic and military growth has caused a panic to the US and her allies that they are creating an agency to counter it. My question is, why is the growth of another nation a cause for alarm for a people who chant freedom? Does it mean the freedom and growth of other nations must be how they define it?

We know they won't attack China directly but will create a mine field for china to walk in so as to justify their plans that have been in hatching.

Finally, I don't care if you quote me or not, my issue is if you are ready to discuss like a mature person who is in a public forum not a dictator who wants puppies for control.

Thank you.

I never raised any issue with whatever your view is on what is to blame for inflation. Politicians will always reach for what's convenient and easily sellable to people. Inflation before Ukraine invasion was already 7.8%, now it's 8.6%, so inflation was already a burgeoning problem. However explaining the causes of inflation to the average stüpid American is too long, so I am not surprised any politician will reach for the simple explanation. I expect all politicians to do the same.

But that is not what I picked you up on. I picked you up on the bolded below. What makes you think a people defending their lands (with vast wealth underneath) from thieves is them being "misled by vultures". Is that not wickedness, or a default anti-Western viewpoint. If Nigeria should come under pressure from say China today for its resources, lands and internal affairs, would you expect someone from say Venezuela to cheer an attack on Nigeria because Nigeria ran to UK for support?

And as per your China point, the West has at no point tried to bring Russia down, rather has created numerous economic opportunities for Russia, even handing their Energy security over to Russia. Russia is a European nation and Europe has tried to draw Russia closer for three decades now, but their dictatorial and imperial tendencies show that was a bad move. If Russia was a democracy and willing, I assure you it would have been allowed into the EU by now. So the China comparison doesn't cut it.


Livelystone01:

So called sanctions and propagandas have been ineffective and Ukraine is still suffering from being misled by vulture nations who only deceive naive and weak minded leaders of weak nations to go to war for their selfish gains.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 2:16pm On Jun 12, 2022
basilico:

America was almost self sufficient before WW2. They made bolts, nuts and tiles.

I really don't know what to say to you sometimes when you make these stupid statements which just show how little you know.

No country is ever self sufficient because it either must buy something from elsewhere or sell something somewhere.

I'll give you an example. Some few hundreds or so years ago America found itself with an abundance of land but had no labour to work it after working the indigene Indians into extinction, so they went and got cheap labour from Europe to come work it for them which meant they had to export some of the produce of their land to Europe to pay for it, hence globalisation, basilico, though it's as ancient as day since every nation had to sell or buy something elsewhere like you do with your boxers from China.

Having not been able to acquire sufficient cheap labour locally and from Europe, America globalised to China who always had an organised workforce which is what makes them the giants they are today and makes them less susceptible to American exploitation, so America globalised to Africa where they found abundant cheaper and more coercible labour.

Even today, bas, America begs people to come there or sell them some crude sometimes on their Biden knees, so why you would think America that has always needed to buy and sell globally to grow itself into the giant it is today would benefit from deglobalisation just confounds all sensibilities, basilco.

Are you suggestion America leave the world to uber-globalising China and that upstart but failed Russia? Do you think those more intelligent refuse to learn from history like you bas?

Trust me. Every time I quote you I insult my self.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 2:18pm On Jun 12, 2022
Livelystone01:

We know they won't attack China directly but will create a mine field for china to walk in so as to justify their plans that have been in hatching.

They will woefully fail because they are too disorganised to succeed.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Obrigardo: 2:59pm On Jun 12, 2022
basilico:


Since Joe Biden was installed his admin has been on a crusade against white supremacists. Joe Biden has no agenda other than undoing what Trump accomplished,latest being changing Air force one colors

What did criminal trump accomplish? Your brain must be so full of farts

Stop using code words..what's the meaning of installed you prick?
Criminal trump lost 60 election cases. 60!!! Can I ring it in your head again? 60 cases he lost.
And do you know how many of his Installed Criminal trump judges rejected his case - close to a dozen.


But you know Russia installed criminal trump in 2016, right?

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Obrigardo: 3:11pm On Jun 12, 2022
budaatum:


Trust me. Every time I quote you I insult my self.


If I was that loco guy this would touch me to the core.
I feel you so much, it feels like you're contaminating yourself leveling up with scums like these criminal trump fans.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 3:14pm On Jun 12, 2022
Obrigardo:


If I was that loco guy this would touch me to the core.
I feel you so much, it feels like you're contaminating yourself leveling up with scums like these criminal trump fans.

I'm beginning to divert my time and resource elsewhere. Election is soon in Nigeria.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 3:18pm On Jun 12, 2022
basilico:


Since Joe Biden was installed his admin has been on a crusade against white supremacists. Joe Biden has no agenda other than undoing what Trump accomplished,latest being changing Air force one colors

Can you see how so lazy your mind is so "delays caused by supply chain issues and a disagreement between Boeing and a subcontractor as well as a shortage of qualified mechanics" mean nothing to you?

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Obrigardo: 3:42pm On Jun 12, 2022
basilico:


Since Joe Biden was installed his admin has been on a crusade against white supremacists.

Let's track back once more.
Are you butthurt that white supremacists need to be dealt with? What do you mean by saying Biden is going after WHITE SUPREMACISTS?
Are you a white supremacist/nazi apologist? Can you give a definite answer, Yes or No?

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Weregonnalose: 3:48pm On Jun 12, 2022
Obrigardo:


Let's track back once more.
Are you butthurt that white supremacists need to be dealt with? What do you mean by saying Biden is going after WHITE SUPREMACISTS?
Are you a white supremacist/nazi apologist? Can you give a definite answer, Yes or No?

But ya isa AmazonTopaz menstrual filth. Kikikikiki
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by saxywale1: 4:10pm On Jun 12, 2022
basilico:


Since Joe Biden was installed his admin has been on a crusade against white supremacists. Joe Biden has no agenda other than undoing what Trump accomplished,latest being changing Air force one colors
They were arrested in Idaho.

Anything wrong with that?
Do you know how sick one has to be to support a neo-fascist movement?

Hopefully, they become less popular under the current federal as well as states administrations.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Obrigardo: 5:58pm On Jun 12, 2022
This criminal continues to flout every Law and disrespect the office of the President.
The time in everyone's mind right now is when this MF is going to be indicted and arrested.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Obrigardo: 6:02pm On Jun 12, 2022
These criminal trump pricks thought Lets go Brandon was kind of an insult but see what that "slur" just did to turn this boy's life around.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Livelystone01: 7:18pm On Jun 12, 2022
Ibime:


Thank you.

I never raised any issue with whatever your view is on what is to blame for inflation. Politicians will always reach for what's convenient and easily sellable to people. Inflation before Ukraine invasion was already 7.8%, now it's 8.6%, so inflation was already a burgeoning problem. However explaining the causes of inflation to the average stüpid American is too long, so I am not surprised any politician will reach for the simple explanation. I expect all politicians to do the same.

But that is not what I picked you up on. I picked you up on the bolded below. What makes you think a people defending their lands (with vast wealth underneath) from thieves is them being "misled by vultures". Is that not wickedness, or a default anti-Western viewpoint. If Nigeria should come under pressure from say China today for its resources, lands and internal affairs, would you expect someone from say Venezuela to cheer an attack on Nigeria because Nigeria ran to UK for support?

And as per your China point, the West has at no point tried to bring Russia down, rather has created numerous economic opportunities for Russia, even handing their Energy security over to Russia. Russia is a European nation and Europe has tried to draw Russia closer for three decades now, but their dictatorial and imperial tendencies show that was a bad move. If Russia was a democracy and willing, I assure you it would have been allowed into the EU by now. So the China comparison doesn't cut it.


Oh...I will try to explain my point of view the best way I can.

Don't you think if Zelensky was a very smart politician he would have avoided this collision with Russia somehow? No country enjoys going to war when she understands the collateral damage that may be involved. In this case, Russia knew it would lead to an all out escalation that would result to the sanctions they have now but they went in anyway. The golden question is why? Were they being pushed by someone unseen provocation?

I do hope you know that some people will never hit you first but they will try as much as possible to use someone to provoke you so you can feel offended and strike back.

I have another question from your comment, was the issue of how Russia is governed really important to the west or it was their trojan horse for whenever they decide to provoke.

In the world today, we tend to judge reactions most times instead of looking at what the causes were.

Europe wanting or preferring Russia to be a member wasn't out of love but due to the game of politics. Russia is closer and Russia is also a very strategic ally that would help as they target China's global steady rise.

I am open to discussion because no man is an island. You may not know this but your quick thinking concerning this inflation last year helped me to save some dollars, though i still got some bruises. I did more research when I saw your post and discovered you were right. I told my friends who ignored because they were carried away by the hype of Tesla and some other stocks, but I saved some of my cash. I even told a boss that he was gambling with a volatile system but he laughed at me then, he regrets now because his portfolio has reduced a lot.

What I am saying is that we can comment our opinions and we can discuss to learn and help ourselves instead of the war we have here daily.

My reason for being here is because I have my money in the American economy and I need to follow up in every possible way.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Livelystone01: 7:37pm On Jun 12, 2022
budaatum:


They will woefully fail because they are too disorganised to succeed.
Time will tell.

In the world of today, things can happen and when they do, nobody will look at the causes but the reaction.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Ibime(m): 9:23pm On Jun 12, 2022
Livelystone01:

Oh...I will try to explain my point of view the best way I can.

Don't you think if Zelensky was a very smart politician he would have avoided this collision with Russia somehow? No country enjoys going to war when she understands the collateral damage that may be involved. In this case, Russia knew it would lead to an all out escalation that would result to the sanctions they have now but they went in anyway. The golden question is why? Were they being pushed by someone unseen provocation?

I do hope you know that some people will never hit you first but they will try as much as possible to use someone to provoke you so you can feel offended and strike back.


At the time Zelensky came in in 2019, Russia had already annexed Crimea and occupied 40% of Donbas by proxy, so what diplomacy should he have used to get a thief off his land. From the testimony of all Russia's neighbours like Latvia, Estonia, Georgia etc, Russia is always like this with them. On top of that, they are the ones invading him now. He did what you are supposed to do, when a thief is sitting on your land, he went for protection from the West.

Those lands are not cheap lands, they are the key to Ukraine's economic future, and that's why Russia wants them. The thing is when you spin a story that the West is using Ukraine to get to Russia, most people outside the West will support you because anti-Western narrative always sells. But in this case, Ukraine is the one being bullied and stolen from.

Those oil and gas reserves there are the 2nd largest in Europe. Ukraine already has the storage and pipeline network and if Putin let them go ahead, they have the potential to eat significantly into Russias dominance of the EU gas market. That's what Putin is fighting for, not all this shalaye story they are telling. Every war is about economics.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by GloriousGbola: 9:26pm On Jun 12, 2022
Ibime:


Every war is about economics.

We have war when a country wants something more than it wants peace. And that is usually someone else's resources.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by basilico: 10:30pm On Jun 12, 2022
Ibime:


At the time Zelensky came in in 2019, Russia had already annexed Crimea and occupied 40% of Donbas by proxy, so what diplomacy should he have used to get a thief off his land. From the testimony of all Russia's neighbours like Latvia, Estonia, Georgia etc, Russia is always like this with them. On top of that, they are the ones invading him now. He did what you are supposed to do, when a thief is sitting on your land, he went for protection from the West.

Those lands are not cheap lands, they are the key to Ukraine's economic future, and that's why Russia wants them. The thing is when you spin a story that the West is using Ukraine to get to Russia, most people outside the West will support you because anti-Western narrative always sells. But in this case, Ukraine is the one being bullied and stolen from.

Those oil and gas reserves there are the 2nd largest in Europe. Ukraine already has the storage and pipeline network and if Putin let them go ahead, they have the potential to eat significantly into Russias dominance of the EU gas market. That's what Putin is fighting for, not all this shalaye story they are telling. Every war is about economics.

I agree with you. Ukraine South East has a lot of oil undeveloped. Shell pulled out after Crimea occupation.
Let us note that all Russian gas was pumped through Ukraine who then started charging enormous amounts such that the Russians ended up doing undersea pipelines
My position is that Russia should not have invaded Ukraine.
NATO should not be enticing Ukraine to join it too.

Russia does not want Ukraine to join NATO.

Azov battalion. Nazis complete with the emblem. The Eastern part has a lot of people who want to break away to join Russia. The Azov incorporated into Ukraine Defense forces have committed grievous crimes in that part . I wont post link but you can google search them burning a man alive,
The west should be encouraging dialogue , not giving this former comedian weapons .
In 2014 the west carried out a coup because the leading contender was Russian friendly.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by ono(m): 10:35pm On Jun 12, 2022
Obrigardo:

But you know Russia installed criminal trump in 2016, right?

With all that has been revealed by Special Counsel John Durham, Russia! Russia!! Russia!!! hoax, all the lies spewed out by Hillary Clinton campaign, Kevin Clinesmith's e-mail alteration, Michael Sussman, "the two FBI lovers" - Peter Strozk and Lisa Page, Igor Danchenko, colluding and working for the DNC...and the list is endless! You are here and are still able to type the above in 2022?!!.

I am not like Ibime and the long-banned foul-mouth (aka EmptyPride) and all the others in here who feel they are in some ways more enlightened than others or something like that.... like rolling in the mud with their opinions, would have been cool to do some name-calling and stuff. Not me, count me out.

I will tell you one thing though. Too much of leftist propaganda media intake has a way of twisting your view of this life - and your brain too. Try reading the views and opinions of others before taking sides. It will help you a lot!

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Livelystone01: 10:53pm On Jun 12, 2022
Ibime:


At the time Zelensky came in in 2019, Russia had already annexed Crimea and occupied 40% of Donbas by proxy, so what diplomacy should he have used to get a thief off his land. From the testimony of all Russia's neighbours like Latvia, Estonia, Georgia etc, Russia is always like this with them. On top of that, they are the ones invading him now. He did what you are supposed to do, when a thief is sitting on your land, he went for protection from the West.

Those lands are not cheap lands, they are the key to Ukraine's economic future, and that's why Russia wants them. The thing is when you spin a story that the West is using Ukraine to get to Russia, most people outside the West will support you because anti-Westernys sells. But in this case, Ukraine is the one being bullied and stolen from.

Those oil and gas reserves there are the 2nd largest in Europe. Ukraine already has the storage and pipeline network and if Putin let them go ahead, they have the potential to eat significantly into Russias dominance of the EU gas market. That's what Putin is fighting for, not all this shalaye story they are telling. Every war is about economics.
Now i ask, was there any alternative to how Ukraine should handle the issue in the Dombas region? The region has a Russian speaking majority, they are complaining of being marginalized and there has been war going on there for years because this.

What if he had granted regional autonomy like Monaco or arranged some other diplomatic ways to resolve the problem over there?

Now, these people cried to their indigenous neighbour or same speaking Russia who responded. They've cried about being marginalized, attacked and other issues for years.

A good president would try to bring them to the table, accept concessions for it to work and tell them to accept some concessions too.

Now here's my take, these Europeans would prefer Ukraine strike hard, use force against their region of disagreement to take over the region due to what they've found in order for their own economic growth, not because they really love Ukraine. This is business to them, their gains outweigh any nation's economic stability and this is what I an talking about.

I have not and will not be anti west or anti America but at least I should ask questions or call out issues when they are wrong.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by basilico: 10:56pm On Jun 12, 2022
ono:


With all that has been revealed by Special Counsel John Durham, the Russia! Russia!! Russia!!! hoax, all the lies spewed out by Hillary Clinton campaign, Kevin Clinesmith e-mail alteration, Michael Sussman, "the two FBI lovers" - Peter Strozk and Lisa Page, Igor Danchenko, colluding and working for the DNC...and the list is endless! You are here and are still able to type the above in 2022?!!.

I am not like Ibime and the long banned foul-mouth (aka EmptyPride) and all the others in here who feel they are in some ways more enlightened than other or something like that.... like rolling in the mud with their opinions, would have been cool to do some name calling and stuff. Not me, count me out.

I will tell you one thing though. Too much of leftist propaganda media has a way of twisting your view of this life - and your brain too. Try reading the views and opinion of others before taking sides. It will help you a lot!
Thats a lost mind, cheated by Main stream media.
Too far gone. Irredeemable.
Lost cause.

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