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Dtruthspeaker:
AND IT IS WITHIN YOUR PROGRAMME TO CHOOSE!

But you didn’t choose the program, where is the choice in that?

Maynman:
But you didn’t choose the program, where is the choice in that?

That is why you are a creation we robots with flesh and blood call "robot". A Robot THAT IS PROGRAMMED TO CHOOSE.

Dtruthspeaker:
That is why you are a creation we robots with flesh and blood call "robot". A Robot THAT IS PROGRAMMED TO CHOOSE.

So your analogy about robot/car is busted, now it’s flesh and blood bwahahahah

Dtruthspeaker:
That is why you are a creation we robots with flesh and blood call "robot". A Robot THAT IS PROGRAMMED TO CHOOSE.

We choose according to God's program. Boss. I know someone who had a one on one discussion with God and he said something troubling. He said about the people he saved "I saved them because I wanted to save them". He didn't say I saved them because they really wanted to be saved or they strived to be saved or they prayed fasted to be saved. Really it is not choice, many want to be saved but tthey cannot because God has already choosen those he wants to be saved. Really and deeply true. It is not of him that willleth nor of him that runneth but of God that showeth mercy. Even in the worst of men there have been good motives but God's predestination program means we all have no choice.

Hope2014:
We choose according to God's program

As long as We get To Choose:; To use ourselves by ourselves, To Choose!

Hope2014:
Boss. I know someone who had a one on one discussion with God and he said something troubling. He said about the people he saved "I saved them because I wanted to save them". He didn't say I saved them because they really wanted to be saved or they strived to be saved or they prayed fasted to be saved.

Learn how to hate and not readily accept "dem say" properly called "hearsay" testimony or evidence.

Hope2014:
Really it is not choice, many want to be saved but tthey cannot because God has already choosen those he wants to be saved. Really and deeply true. It is not of him that willleth nor of him that runneth but of God that showeth mercy. Even in the worst of men there have been good motives but God's predestination program means we all have no choice.

True, God Chooses those He Saves, HOWEVER, GO CHECK IT OUT, ALL OF THEM ARE SAVED BECAUSE THEY PLACED THEMSELVES IN THE POSITION THAT THEY COULD BE SAVED.

And the Advices in the Bible is meant to place us in that position to be saved hence Psalm 119:1-16 and cont'd. And Proverbs 4 especially verse 20. (I like Don Moen's song on it)

My son give attention to my words (Oh yes)
Incline your ear to my sayings
Do not (Do not) let them depart from your eyes
Keep them in the midst of your heart (Heart)
For they are life to those who find them
And health to all their flesh
For they are life to those who find them
And health to all their flesh"

AND IT IS YOUR CHOICE TO LISTEN TO THE WORDS AND WARNINGS AND ADVICE OF A VERY WISE FATHER Or To Cast His Words Aside And Continue Living As You Like to do.

Dtruthspeaker:
As long as We get To Choose:; To use ourselves by ourselves, To Choose!



Learn how to hate and not readily accept "dem say" properly called "hearsay" testimony or evidence.



True, God Chooses those He Saves, HOWEVER, GO CHECK IT OUT, ALL OF THEM ARE SAVED BECAUSE THEY PLACED THEMSELVES IN THE POSITION THAT THEY COULD BE SAVED.

And the Advices in the Bible is meant to place us in that position to be saved hence Psalm 119:1-16 and cont'd. And Proverbs 4 especially verse 20. (I like Don Moen's song on it)

My son give attention to my words (Oh yes)
Incline your ear to my sayings
Do not (Do not) let them depart from your eyes
Keep them in the midst of your heart (Heart)
For they are life to those who find them
And health to all their flesh
For they are life to those who find them
And health to all their flesh"

AND IT IS YOUR CHOICE TO LISTEN TO THE WORDS AND WARNINGS AND ADVICE OF A VERY WISE FATHER Or To Cast His Words Aside And Continue Living As You Like to do.

Yes, surely those destroyed choosed something wrong but I want to tell you God is above knowledge. He controls the heart of men. Those saved and those destroyed read the same Bible but the difference is God gave those saved understanding and those destroyed he didn't. People don't get saved because they want to but God saved them because he wants to. What did Acts say God added to the church those he wants to be saved. Not those who wants to be saved entered the church. Paul even said God choosed before the foundationof the world those he wants to save.

Hope2014:
Yes, surely those destroyed choosed something wrong...

So this clearly settles this.

Hope2014:
but I want to tell you God is above knowledge. He controls the heart of men. Those saved and those destroyed read the same Bible but the difference is God gave those saved understanding and those destroyed he didn't.

And the Bible adviced

1) "ASK FOR UNDERSTANDING".
2) OBEY THE WORDS OF MY MOUTH.

Hope2014:
People don't get saved because they want to but God saved them because he wants to.

You are repeating what you have said before after I have answered saying that "God saved them AFTER THEY HAD PUT THEMSELVES IN THE POSITION THAT THEY COULD BE SAVED".

Maynman:
So your analogy about robot/car is busted, now it’s flesh and blood bwahahahah

Your usual insane response has finally come again when you have nothing reasonable to say.

My analogy about a robot car was very clear making a very clear distinction between robot you and the robot cars which you make.

Dtruthspeaker:
Your usual insane response has finally come again when you have nothing reasonable to say.

My analogy about a robot car was very clear making a very clear distinction between robot you and the robot cars which you make.

Blood and flesh abi

Dtruthspeaker:
You are repeating what you have said before after I have answered saying that "God saved them AFTER THEY HAD PUT THEMSELVES IN THE POSITION THAT THEY COULD BE SAVED".

Meaning they willingly knew how to position themselves to be saved. But the Scriptures says It is not by Power Nor By Might but by my Spirit says the Lord of Host. You need to embrace God's grace of salvation. No one willingly gets saved Jesus even made it clear and lost many disciples. No man can come to me except the Father draweth him nearer to me.

Hope2014:
Psalm 58:3-4"The wicked are estranged from the womb:
they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.
Their poison is like the poison of a serpent:
they are like the deaf adder that stoppeth her ear;"
It seems Lucifer was created to be Satan. It was not his choice to be Satan but according to creator.

God never created anyone to be evil but those who choose to be evil always do so right from their infancy. All the children born to humans have the freewill but the evil ones don't care about righteousness even when their attitude affects them badly (though they don't care how it affects others) yet no matter the consequences of their deeds all they just feel like doing is get away with their evil deeds and continue some other time.
That's why Jesus called such people children of the devil {John 8:44} they behave the same way like Satan.
The most high God has the right to do whatever He wants but can you believe that even with His mightiness God do have a rethink whenever He is CORRECTED?

Take for instance God Almighty sent angels to go and destroy Sodom and Gomorrah but at the words of Abraham (God's friend) He (God) succumb to Abraham's advice! Genesis 18:16-33

Again God got so annoyed that He decided to destroy the Israelites and make Moses and his yet unborn generations His own people.
Moses reminded God what He promised Abraham and His name which means "He causes to become" Moses told God "if you angrily destroy these people and failed to take them to the promise land, what happens to your name?"
Instantly God Almighty REGRETTED His action and changed His mind on the matter. Exodus 32:7-14

But Satan and people like him will never regret their evil deeds so it's what they willingly chose not God's fault Sir!

Hope2014:
Meaning they willingly knew how to position themselves to be saved. But the Scriptures says It is not by Power Nor By Might but by my Spirit says the Lord of Host.

Now you see the importance of Listening to God, Speaki

"Through desire A MAN, having separated himself, seeketh and intermeddleth with all wisdom". Proverbs 18:1

And every man can do these things if they truly want to for John 1:4 and 9.

"He is the Light that lighteth all men"

"Greater is He that is IN ME" 1 John 4:4

"Immanuel" - God with Us not "God is with us"!

All these Words already tell you that we inherently have the Support and Power of God.

So you see, there is No Excuse!

"And now nothing will be restrained from them which they have imagined to do" Genesis 11:6

Dtruthspeaker:
Now you see the importance of Listening to God, Speaki

"Through desire A MAN, having separated himself, seeketh and intermeddleth with all wisdom". Proverbs 18:1

And every man can do these things if they truly want to for John 1:4 and 9.

"He is the Light that lighteth all men"

"Greater is He that is IN ME" 1 John 4:4

"Immanuel" - God with Us not "God is with us"!

All these Words already tell you that we inherently have the Support and Power of God.

So you see, there is No Excuse!

"And now nothing will be restrained from them which they have imagined to do" Genesis 11:6

For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Romans 9:15‭-‬21 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/rom.9.15-21.KJV

MaxInDHouse:
God never created anyone to be evil but those who choose to be evil always do so right from their infancy. All the children born to humans have the freewill but the evil ones don't care about righteousness even when their attitude affects them badly (though they don't care how it affects others) yet no matter the consequences of their deeds all they just feel like doing is get away with their evil deeds and continue some other time.
That's why Jesus called such people children of the devil {John 8:44} they behave the same way like Satan.
The most high God has the right to do whatever He wants but can you believe that even with His mightiness God do have a rethink whenever He is CORRECTED?

Take for instance God Almighty sent angels to go and destroy Sodom and Gomorrah but at the words of Abraham (God's friend) He (God) succumb to Abraham's advice! Genesis 18:16-33

Again God got so annoyed that He decided to destroy the Israelites and make Moses and his yet unborn generations His own people.
Moses reminded God what He promised Abraham and His name which means "He causes to become" Moses told God "if you angrily destroy these people and failed to take them to the promise land, what happens to your name?"
Instantly God Almighty REGRETTED His action and changed His mind on the matter. Exodus 32:7-14

But Satan and people like him will never regret their evil deeds so it's what they willingly chose not God's fault Sir!

For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Romans 9:15‭-‬21 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/rom.9.15-21.KJV

Hope2014:
For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

Go and read that case again. Moses was trying to stop God from punishing people who will fully chose to annoy God at a most important Holy time, even in defiance of Aaron's Clear Warning!

So, how can Moses be stopping God from punishing the guilty? That is what brought about God's Answer to him

Same for the Egyptians you see them already doing evil to the Israelites 400 years worth, even before Moses was born and God spoke of "hardening of heart"

There is no excuse whatsoever.

If you want to be saved then walk in the paths that lead to being saved, It's as simple as that!

Dtruthspeaker:
Go and read that case again. Moses was trying to stop God from punishing people who will fully chose to annoy God at a most important Holy time, even in defiance of Aaron's Clear Warning!

So, how can Moses be stopping God from punishing the guilty? That is what brought about God's Answer to him

Same for the Egyptians you see them already doing evil to the Israelites 400 years worth, even before Moses was born and God spoke of "hardening of heart"

There is no excuse whatsoever.

If you want to be saved then walk in the paths that lead to being saved, It's as simple as that!

Just accept grace of God. Many seek to be saved as Jesus said.

Hope2014:
Just accept grace of God. Many seek to be saved as Jesus said.

And yet they do the very things that annoy Jesus, how can they ever be saved?

Go check the Bible and see if you shall ever find one sinner who was sinning yet God saved him. And don't you dare say David or Solomon or Abraham or Moses and any of those people you would say. Except for Solomon, all these people regretted their wrong doings AND DISCONTINUED THEIR MISTAKES.

There is no excuse whatsoever.

If you want to be saved then walk in the paths that lead to being saved, It's as simple as that!

But I thank The Lord that your response here just shows and proves how all the statements of the God which you people WRONGLY USE to wrap yourself and your sins, is not valid

Hope2014:
For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Romans 9:15‭-‬21 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/rom.9.15-21.KJV

God only allows those who choose to be evil so that others coming behind them may learn from what happened to them afterwards! 1Corinthians 10:11

If God has predestined everything can people learn from the mistakes of others?

MaxInDHouse:
God only allows those who choose to be evil so that others coming behind them may learn from what happened to them afterwards! 1Corinthians 10:11

If God has predestined everything can people learn from the mistakes of others?

Sure. But you and DTruthSpeaker accept it is the grace of God that saves

Hope2014:
Sure. But you and DTruthSpeaker accept it is the grace of God that saves

Exactly as you are only employed because the employer exercises his grace to employ you, as proven by the fact that even though you have the requisite certificates and skill, the employer can still say "I would never hire you. Leave my office"

Which on the flip side "he can say you are hired" even though you have no certificate.

But certainly "just is" and Law dictates that unqualified persons can never be hired and only qualified persons are always hired. Parable of the talent shows you and the warning about servants.

And God is Always Following Law and "Just is" and that is why you never see any single case of an Unqualified person being saved by God!

No not one! No not one!
Even this hymn warns us to struggle

"Jesus knows all about our struggles,
He will guide till the day is done;"

Dtruthspeaker:
Exactly as you are only employed because the employer exercises his grace to employ you, as proven by the fact that even though you have the requisite certificates and skill, the employer can still say "I would never hire you. Leave my office"

Which on the flip side "he can say you are hired" even though you have no certificate.

But certainly "just is" and Law dictates that unqualified persons can never be hired and only qualified persons are always hired. Parable of the talent shows you and the warning about servants.

And God is Always Following Law and "Just is" and that is why you never see any single case of an Unqualified person being saved by God!

The thief at the cross was he qualified or unqualified. I believe most worst sinners who genuinely humble themselves and repent are more honoured by God for salvation than many who claim holiness out of pride.

Hope2014:
The thief at the cross was he qualified or unqualified. I believe most worst sinners who genuinely humble themselves and repent are more honoured by God for salvation than many who claim holiness out of pride.

Yep! He gave Sound Perfect Sweet "Just is" and Truth, to The Lord where The Lord was given the evil of "not-just-is" aka "injustice", while admitting and even confessing THE TRUTH that he was guilty and deserved punishment!

A very sweet good when you are wickedly and murderously and wrongly accused.

A Sweet gift, given to The Lord!

What did Ron Kenoly teach about giving?

"When you give, give to The Lord!"

Hope2014:
Sure. But you and DTruthSpeaker accept it is the grace of God that saves

I'm not on the same page with him please deal with us separately!
The undeserved kindness (grace) of God simply means all Adam's descendants are doomed {Psalms 49:6-9} and there's no way out of the condition Adam put us {Romans 5:12} but out His infinite mercy God decided to extend His loyal love to Adam's descendants (children of the rebel) that's what GRACE or UNDERSERVED KINDNESS means! Romans 5:8