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OkCornel:
I’m glad you’ve entered the scriptures.

Read Matthew 16 v 16
Berean Study Bible
Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

Peter is not an angel of God and also Peter is not Joseph the husband of Mary. Jesus was the name the angel told Joseph to name Him. So don't add this to your jokes box.

OkCornel:
And the irony of the whole thing is, somnvayina wants us to watch video analysis from so call experts who never lived in that time era (6BC to 33AD) as evidence that Jesus Christ never existed.

At times, I wonder if these clowns really think things through when they want to argue stuff.

They should provide us with evidence(s) of all Jewish historians and scholars UNANIMOUSLY DENYING the existence of Jesus Christ. Perhaps these jokers suddenly know the history of Jews better than all Jewish historians and scholars combined

See the clown below this post itching badly for my attention.

Well i've known sonmvayina for long he's just bitter about the economic situation of Africa so he believes it's by going back to our culture that things can change for the better, but he doesn't know how to go about it that's why he's beating about the bush trying to discredit the historicity of Jesus Christ he believes that's the Genesis of Africa's problem!

MindHacker9009:
Peter is not an angel of God and also Peter is not Joseph the husband of Mary. Jesus was the name the angel told Joseph to name Him. So don't add this to jokes box.

Scripture lesson 101 for the unlettered folk.

1) Read up on Angel Gabriel's visit to Mary and get the full context;

Luke 2 v 27-35;
27 The angel went to a virgin promised in marriage to a descendant of David named Joseph. The virgin’s name was Mary.
28 When the angel entered her home, he greeted her and said, “You are favored by the Lord! The Lord is with you.”
29 She was startled by what the angel said and tried to figure out what this greeting meant.
30 The angel told her, “Don’t be afraid, Mary. You have found favor  with God.
31 You will become pregnant, give birth to a son, and name him Jesus.
32 He will be a great man and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his ancestor David.
33 Your son will be king of Jacob’s people forever, and his kingdom will never end.”
34 Mary asked the angel, “How can this be? I’m a virgin.”
35 The angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come to you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore, the holy child developing inside you will be called the Son of God.


2) And Angel Gabriel's visit to Joseph;

Matthew 2 v 21-22
20 Joseph had this in mind when an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream. The angel said to him, “Joseph, descendant of David, don’t be afraid to take Mary as your wife. She is pregnant by the Holy Spirit.
21 She will give birth to a son, and you will name him Jesus [He Saves], because he will save his people from their sins.”
22 All this happened so that what the Lord had spoken through the prophet came true:

3) Even demons acknowledge Jesus to be the Christ;

Luke 4 v 40-41;
40 When the sun was setting, all those who had any that were sick with various diseases brought them to Him; and He laid His hands on every one of them and healed them.
41 And demons also came out of many, crying out and saying, “You are the Christ, the Son of God!”

Bring on your next excuse. And I hope it would be an intelligent one.

Yahweh worshippers

Jesus Christ definitely was a real person and not a fictional character and he had followers this is something that a lot of historians agree upon, whether or not he was performing miracles is up for debate.

Hohenheim:
Jesus Christ definitely was a real person and not a fictional character and he had followers this is something that a lot of historians agree upon, whether or not he was performing miracles is up for debate.

There were many Jesuses during the time of Jesus like this one: Whereupon Albinus complied with what they said, and wrote in anger to Ananus, and threatened that he would bring him to punishment for what he had done; on which king Agrippa took the high priesthood from him, when he had ruled but three months, and made Jesus, the son of Damneus, high priest.

But Jesus The Christ of Chrestus as OkConel would prefer was a made up character by the Roman Empire

Hohenheim:
Jesus Christ definitely was a real person and not a fictional character and he had followers this is something that a lot of historians agree upon, whether or not he was performing miracles is up for debate.

There were many Jesuses during the time of Jesus like this one by Flavius Josephus: Whereupon Albinus complied with what they said, and wrote in anger to Ananus, and threatened that he would bring him to punishment for what he had done; on which king Agrippa took the high priesthood from him, when he had ruled but three months, and made Jesus, the son of Damneus, high priest.


But "Jesus The Christ" or Chrestus as @OkConel would prefer was a made up character by the Roman Empire

Hohenheim:
Jesus Christ definitely was a real person and not a fictional character and he had followers this is something that a lot of historians agree upon, whether or not he was performing miracles is up for debate.

There was no “Jesus Christ”. If you mean “historical Jesus” then yeah, just as any other name.

MindHacker9009:
There were many Jesuses during the time of Jesus like this one by Flavius Josephus: Whereupon Albinus complied with what they said, and wrote in anger to Ananus, and threatened that he would bring him to punishment for what he had done; on which king Agrippa took the high priesthood from him, when he had ruled but three months, and made Jesus, the son of Damneus, high priest.


But "Jesus The Christ" or Chrestus as @OkConel would prefer was a made up character by the Roman Empire

Hohenheim, would you mind asking these comedians why the Roman Empire persecuted and killed Christians before Emperor Constantine stopped this?

If the Roman Empire “created Jesus Christ” as these clowns claim, why persecute and kill followers of this same Jesus Christ?

Who did Emperor Nero blame for the great fire of Rome in 64AD?

Walahi, idiots full this forum.

MaxInDHouse:
Well i've known sonmvayina for long he's just bitter about the economic situation of Africa so he believes it's by going back to our culture that things can change for the better, but he doesn't know how to go about it that's why he's beating about the bush trying to discredit the historicity of Jesus Christ he believes that's the Genesis of Africa's problem!

Lol..how dumb can somebody be..
Your choice mate..
Believe whatever you believe..
Whatever grinds your gears..

MaxInDHouse:
If you don't believe what was written by his closest confidants like Matthew and John then how are you going to know who was with him back then?
Are you expecting a video clip that Jesus and a disciple sat discussing before you accept that they were actually eyewitnesses of the events?

Guy, the account of Matthew 5-7 is the most popular sermon ever on this planet and it was recorded by an eyewitness known as Matthew!

Lol..funny you..

Really so the "gospel according to Mathew" is an eye witness account?
You are really ignorance of everything,..

sonmvayina:
Lol..how dumb can somebody be..
Your choice mate..
Believe whatever you believe..
Whatever grinds your gears..

There's no way you can convert an intelligent person who really wants to worship God.
Because there is no god throughout this planet that ask people to go and convert other people it's only Jesus Christ of Nazareth that commanded his disciples to do so! Matthew 28:19-20

So no matter how much you argue you have made you own personal choice but you can't convince a single person to follow you when there's no order from any god that you must reason the same way except Jesus of Nazareth! John 17:22 compare to 1Corinthians 1:10

Hohenheim:
Jesus Christ definitely was a real person and not a fictional character and he had followers this is something that a lot of historians agree upon, whether or not he was performing miracles is up for debate.

Lol..

So the Jesus in the gospel is not the Jesus that existed..is that what you mean?

Mehn, @MaxinDHouse, the funniest thing I've read today is someone discrediting the gospel of Matthew as an eye witness account.

Is Matthew no longer a disciple of Jesus? Or his book no longer counts as eye witness account?

Even John?

Oh well, I'll keep watching the comedy unfold on this thread.

OkCornel:
All these gibberish you’ve typed does not in any way correlate with the specific evidence I asked for.

Provide evidence(s) of Jewish historians and scholars UNANIMOUSLY DENYING THE EXISTENCE of Jesus Christ in their historical records.

Don’t bother to mention me if you can’t provide this. Somnvayina the Nigerian man suddenly knows the history of the Jews better than all Jewish historians and scholars. What a comic relief

Have you seen this book..

Get a copy please.

https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Jews-Never-Knew-Historical/dp/1578849160

sonmvayina:
Have you seen this book..

Get a copy please.

https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Jews-Never-Knew-Historical/dp/1578849160

Did the author of the book live between 6BC to 33AD? If not, why do you think his own point of view is authentic?

Just turning your logic against you.

I'll have a look at the book. I hope it would explain the cross at Israel and the tomb of Arimathea too. I also hope it shows evidence of ALL JEWISH HISTORIANS & SCHOLARS UNANIMOUSLY DENYING the existence of Jesus Christ.

OkCornel:
Mehn, @MaxinDHouse, the funniest thing I've read today is someone discrediting the gospel of Matthew as an eye witness account.
Is Matthew no longer a disciple of Jesus? Or his book no longer counts as eye witness account?
Even John?
Oh well, I'll keep watching the comedy unfold on this thread.

That's not the real joke Sir!

What really makes them clowns is the fact that there's no reason why any human should reason with his neighbour on worship except those adhering to the teachings of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

So if anyone wants to reason with me on faith but doesn't want to include the one and only historical figure who initiated that idea then on what ground are you speaking with me on the reason of faith?

Who sent you to speak with me?

What is the name of that God who asked you to speak with me?

OkCornel:
Did the author of the book live between 6BC to 33AD? If not, why do you think his own point of view is authentic?

Just turning your logic against you.

I'll have a look at the book. I hope it would explain the cross at Israel and the tomb of Arimathea too. I also hope it shows evidence of ALL JEWISH HISTORIANS & SCHOLARS UNANIMOUSLY DENYING the existence of Jesus Christ.

It is a proper research on the subject matter..

sonmvayina:
Have you seen this book..

Get a copy please.

https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Jews-Never-Knew-Historical/dp/1578849160

Downloaded a free copy of the book.
https://www.pdfdrive.com/the-jesus-the-jews-never-knew-e157846242.html

First redflag. The Author is Frank R Zindler - AN AMERICAN ATHEIST

Somnvayina, I was specifically clear on what I requested. Evidences from JEWISH SCHOLARS AND HISTORIANS unanimously denying the existence of Jesus Christ.

Cc: MaxinDHouse, NNTR

Please how does an American Atheist suddenly know the history of the Jews better than all the Jewish scholars and historians?

How does this make sense? Does it make sense for an American man to claim he knows the history of your ancestors better than you?

Critical thinking for goodness sake. Jeez!

sonmvayina:
It is a proper research on the subject matter..

From another non-Jew (an American)
From someone who didn't live between 6BC to 33AD, yet his work is proper research according to you. Same criteria you used to deny Josephus' literary work.

Reeks of double standards

Cc: MaxinDHouse, NNTR

OkCornel:
From another non-Jew (an American)
From someone who didn't live between 6BC to 33AD, yet his work is proper research according to you. Same criteria you used to deny Josephus' literary work.

Reeks of double standards

Cc: MaxinDHouse, NNTR

There is no Jesus oh..

I don't know how to shout it.

Just learn and obey God commandments and live peacefully.

The Jesus idea even goes against 2nd commandments.

Do not make the image or likeness of anything in heaven or on earth or under the waters below the earth, do not bow down to them or serve them..

It is idolatry..

OkCornel:
Downloaded a free copy of the book.
https://www.pdfdrive.com/the-jesus-the-jews-never-knew-e157846242.html

First redflag. The Author is Frank R Zindler - AN AMERICAN ATHEIST

Somnvayina, I was specifically clear on what I requested. Evidences from JEWISH SCHOLARS AND HISTORIANS unanimously denying the existence of Jesus Christ.

Cc: MaxinDHouse, NNTR

Please how does an American Atheist suddenly know the history of the Jews better than all the Jewish scholars and historians?

How does this make sense? Does it make sense for an American man to claim he knows the history of your ancestors better than you?

Critical thinking for goodness sake. Jeez!

Forget about the messenger..

Learn the message..

sonmvayina:
Forget about the messenger..

Learn the message..

I wish you can apply the same standard to Josephus' literary works too.

Forget about the messenger, learn the message. Jesus Christ brother of James in Chapter 9, Book 20 - Antiquity of the Jews existed!

And oh... a review of the book as well. Check out the flaws in the author's thought process.
http://www.robertmprice.mindvendor.com/rev_zindler_never.htm

You haven't still provided what I requested, so that book you recommended, I'll take with a pinch of salt.

sonmvayina:
There is no Jesus oh..

I don't know how to shout it.

Just learn and obey God commandments and live peacefully.

The Jesus idea even goes against 2nd commandments.

Do not make the image or likeness of anything in heaven or on earth or under the waters below the earth, do not bow down to them or serve them..

It is idolatry..

And where did Jesus Christ ask people to bow down, kiss his feet and worship him?

You need to understand mankind has always made a habit of creating idols out of the truth, rather than obey the truth.

It's not Jesus Christ's fault...put the blame on the idolatrous tendencies in men. They'd rather "worship", than OBEY.

OkCornel:
And where did Jesus Christ ask people to bow down, kiss his feet and worship him?

You need to understand mankind has always made a habit of creating idols out of the truth, rather than obey the truth.

It's not Jesus Christ's fault...put the blame on the idolatrous tendencies in men. They'd rather "worship", than OBEY.

good evening sir

I sent you a Mail.

TNORWAY:
good evening sir

I sent you a Mail.

No qualms bro, I’ll reply.

OkCornel:
No qualms bro, I’ll reply.

I was just greeting you sir then.....i.was thinking you saw it..

But I want to chat with you now or when you free....

OkCornel:
Downloaded a free copy of the book.
https://www.pdfdrive.com/the-jesus-the-jews-never-knew-e157846242.html

First redflag. The Author is Frank R Zindler - AN AMERICAN ATHEIST

Somnvayina, I was specifically clear on what I requested. Evidences from JEWISH SCHOLARS AND HISTORIANS unanimously denying the existence of Jesus Christ.

Cc: MaxinDHouse, NNTR

Please how does an American Atheist suddenly know the history of the Jews better than all the Jewish scholars and historians?

How does this make sense? Does it make sense for an American man to claim he knows the history of your ancestors better than you?

Critical thinking for goodness sake. Jeez!

He just feel like bringing anybody's personal opinion on the matter even what a pagan from the pit of hell says is ok before sonmvayina as long as it's against Jesus of Nazareth but the eyewitness accounts he wants everyone to discard!

MaxInDHouse:
He just feel like bringing anybody's personal opinion on the matter even what a pagan from the pit of hell says is ok before sonmvayina as long as it's against Jesus of Nazareth but the eyewitness accounts he wants everyone to discard!

Quite hilarious and pitiable I must say

OkCornel:
And where did Jesus Christ ask people to bow down, kiss his feet and worship him?
You need to understand mankind has always made a habit of creating idols out of the truth, rather than obey the truth.
It's not Jesus Christ's fault...put the blame on the idolatrous tendencies in men. They'd rather "worship", than OBEY.

Inside the temple in Jerusalem some Jews were bowing towards the sun and God condemned it does that makes the temple no longer fitting as a place of worship?

Sonmvayina just don't want to reason as long as it has to do with Jesus of Nazareth!

OkCornel:
Hohenheim, would you mind asking these comedians why the Roman Empire persecuted and killed Christians before Emperor Constantine stopped this?

If the Roman Empire “created Jesus Christ” as these clowns claim, why persecute and kill followers of this same Jesus Christ?

Who did Emperor Nero blame for the great fire of Rome in 64AD?

Walahi, idiots full this forum.

They were talking about Chrestus

Maynman:
They were talking about Chrestus

Put the screenshot of who Emperor Nero specifically blamed for the great fire of Rome in 64 AD.

If you can’t put something as specific as mine, don’t bother quoting me.

I only want to converse with intelligent folks. That’s a better use of my time.