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Re: Why Should We Pay Tithe If Christ Had Abolished The Law? by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:01pm On Jul 05, 2022
Dtruthspeaker:
Ezekiel 33:7-12
Again, you show you are Satan by your Lie and Deceit for it is not written in Deuteronomy 18:18 "whose laws will not be the same as what they heard from Moses!" as you have added to the Bible.
Thou shalt perish in the fire with Satan!
I've told you the fact Mr Churchgoer Pastor, "stop quoting me"
Because your churchy brain can't figure out what i'm saying.

I didn't say i quoted Deuteronomy 18:1-19 word for word but it's clear that after the comprehensive laws given to the Israelites through Moses if God say there is another prophet coming to teach them in the future it simply means it couldn't have been the same thing. That's the point churchgoer.

And stop this your childish attitude of wishing people that disagree with you the fairy tale HellFire because there's nothing of that nature! smiley
Re: Why Should We Pay Tithe If Christ Had Abolished The Law? by cornelboy(f): 12:05pm On Jul 05, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
You know what? Just stop quoting me because your brains that's cloned with churchy deceit can't grasp what i'm saying.
I only follow your logic which proves that you don't know what you're saying!
Nobody mounts his horse and start traveling through all the rigorous journey again after reaching a happy destination! cheesy
His moniker and his reasoning converse each other.
cheesy cheesy
Re: Why Should We Pay Tithe If Christ Had Abolished The Law? by Truvelisback(m): 12:05pm On Jul 05, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
You're missing what Jesus taught Sir!

According to the law no single person can commit adultery without a partner in crime so those people are hypocrites, the law never asked them to stone only the female but both sinners. Leviticus 20:11
So Jesus is indirectly telling them that one of them if not two or three must have been with this same woman in the past and they should also have been stoned to death.
OK if they're denying that they've not been with her before, where is the accomplice?
Or did the woman singlehandedly committed adultery? cheesy
Now listen, the law stated that, anyone who is caught in the very act should be stoned to death. This implies that, if u aren't caught in the very act, u are free. It's just like one Cheating in the exam hall. As long as u aren't caught in the act, u can't be persecuted.
Re: Why Should We Pay Tithe If Christ Had Abolished The Law? by Dtruthspeaker: 12:23pm On Jul 05, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
...Nobody mounts his horse and start traveling through all the rigorous journey again after reaching a happy destination! cheesy
And the Bible and Paul and Christ is teaching us how we can successfully and sweetly reach our Destination, which was the Issue.

But because of you are evil you were trying to CHANGE POST to "after reaching your destination"

MaxInDHouse:
So after reaching your DESTINATION do you mount your horse and start going back through the journey again? Galatians 3:23-25 smiley
Now, you have stopped at the correct place I stopped saying

"Nobody mounts his horse and start traveling through all the rigorous journey again after reaching a happy destination"

See how a big fraud and serpenty you are?

If you don't respond to me I would not quote you.
Re: Why Should We Pay Tithe If Christ Had Abolished The Law? by Dtruthspeaker: 12:45pm On Jul 05, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
I didn't say i quoted Deuteronomy 18:1-19 word for word
Still lying again. You post says you say say it. cheesy
MaxInDHouse:
Christ's laws totally differs from the Mosaic laws that's why the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob forewarned the Israelites to be aware of the mission of the Christ [b]whose laws will not be the same as what they heard from Moses![/b]Deuteronomy 18:18-19
Re: Why Should We Pay Tithe If Christ Had Abolished The Law? by Kobojunkie: 12:46pm On Jul 05, 2022
Truvelisback:
1. If Jesus lived His life in obedience of God's old Covenant Law, He would have approved the stoning to death of the woman caught in adultery act. The Old Covenant Law stated that anyone caught in the very act should be stoned to death.
. But Jesus Christ didn't disapprove of stoning the woman to death. undecided

Instead what He said is simply that the one without sin should cast the first stone, this in line with Old Covenant Law. So where do you get this idea that Jesus Christ in anyway opposed the Old Law, what amounts to sin against God? undecided
Re: Why Should We Pay Tithe If Christ Had Abolished The Law? by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:32pm On Jul 05, 2022
Truvelisback:
Now listen, the law stated that, anyone who is caught in the very act should be stoned to death. This implies that, if u aren't caught in the very act, u are free. It's just like one Cheating in the exam hall. As long as u aren't caught in the act, u can't be persecuted.
That's exactly what Jesus is saying!
If they have caught her, where is her partner in crime?
Should she bear the punishment alone when the law demands that both should be killed?
Even God says bestialists along with the beast they committed bestiality must be killed, so what happens to her partner in crime?
David committed adultery with Bathsheba, he himself said whoever has done such must be killed but was he killed for it? NO!
So that means those rendering the judgment aren't just themselves, that's what Jesus is saying. But in God's Kingdom no adulterer will continue living in there because God's Kingdom will not permit such acts! Galatians 5:19-21 smiley
Re: Why Should We Pay Tithe If Christ Had Abolished The Law? by Truvelisback(m): 2:36pm On Jul 05, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
That's exactly what Jesus is saying!
If they have caught her, where is her partner in crime?
Should she bear the punishment alone when the law demands that both should be killed?
Even God says bestialists along with the beast they committed bestiality must be killed, so what happens to her partner in crime?
David committed adultery with Bathsheba, he himself said whoever has done such must be killed but was he killed for it? NO!
So that means those rendering the judgment aren't just themselves, that's what Jesus is saying. But in God's Kingdom no adulterer will continue living in there because God's Kingdom will not permit such acts! Galatians 5:19-21 smiley
U are just talking out of point. Did Jesus say anything abt her partner? Why are u adding ur own word to the scripture?
Re: Why Should We Pay Tithe If Christ Had Abolished The Law? by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:36pm On Jul 05, 2022
Dtruthspeaker:
And the Bible and Paul and Christ is teaching us how we can successfully and sweetly reach our Destination, which was the Issue.
But because of you are evil you were trying to CHANGE POST to "after reaching your destination"
Now, you have stopped at the correct place I stopped saying
"Nobody mounts his horse and start traveling through all the rigorous journey again after reaching a happy destination"
See how a big fraud and serpenty you are?
If you don't respond to me I would not quote you.
If Christ is our destination and Christ has come do we still need to travel back to the history of the Israelites and start memorizing the laws God gave them as a nation in order to prepare them for the Christ? Galatians 3:19-25

You're just beating about the bush!
Christians only need Jesus Christ of Nazareth we have nothing as in NOTHING to do with the constitution God gave the nation of Israel.
Period!smiley
Re: Why Should We Pay Tithe If Christ Had Abolished The Law? by Truvelisback(m): 2:38pm On Jul 05, 2022
Kobojunkie:
. But Jesus Christ didn't disapprove of stoning the woman to death. undecided

Instead what He said is simply that the one without sin should cast the first stone, this in line with Old Covenant Law. So where do you get this idea that Jesus Christ in anyway opposed the Old Law, what amounts to sin against God? undecided
Why didn't Jesus tell them to stone her death?
Re: Why Should We Pay Tithe If Christ Had Abolished The Law? by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:40pm On Jul 05, 2022
Truvelisback:
U are just talking out of point. Did Jesus say anything abt her partner? Why are u adding ur own word to the scripture?
Of course he did!
Because if they had brought both criminals out for stoning as stated in their constitution they won't have any need to ask Jesus what to do. But they're feeling guilty because the accomplice has been freed instead of dying alongside his partner in crime.
So when Jesus asked "let the one without sin cast the first stone" they knew he's referring to their hypocrisy for not doing exactly what the law says! smiley
Re: Why Should We Pay Tithe If Christ Had Abolished The Law? by Kobojunkie: 2:42pm On Jul 05, 2022
Truvelisback:
Why didn't Jesus tell them to stone her death?
Jesus Christ did exactly that. undecided
Re: Why Should We Pay Tithe If Christ Had Abolished The Law? by Truvelisback(m): 2:43pm On Jul 05, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
Of course he did!
Because if they had brought both criminals out for stoning as stated in their constitution they won't have any need to ask Jesus what to do. But they're feeling guilty because the accomplice has been freed instead of dying alongside his partner in crime.
So when Jesus asked "let the one without sin cast the first stone" they knew he's referring to their hypocrisy for not doing exactly what the law says! smiley
U aren't a straight forward person.
Re: Why Should We Pay Tithe If Christ Had Abolished The Law? by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:44pm On Jul 05, 2022
Truvelisback:
Why didn't Jesus tell them to stone her death?
Because it's against the law!

Both adulterer and the adulteress must die.
But their judgment is jungle justice, that's why they're seeking the consent of a prophet of God. Neither Moses nor Elijah will approve such judgment because that's not what God's law says! smiley
Re: Why Should We Pay Tithe If Christ Had Abolished The Law? by Truvelisback(m): 2:44pm On Jul 05, 2022
Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ did exactly that. undecided
Why didn't they stone her?
Re: Why Should We Pay Tithe If Christ Had Abolished The Law? by Truvelisback(m): 2:46pm On Jul 05, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
Because it's against the law!

Both adulterer and the adulteress must die.
But their judgment is jungle justice, that's why they're seeking the consent of a prophet of God. Neither Moses nor Elijah will approve such judgment because that's not what God's law says! smiley
U lie.
Re: Why Should We Pay Tithe If Christ Had Abolished The Law? by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:53pm On Jul 05, 2022
cornelboy:
His moniker and his reasoning converse each other.
cheesy cheesy
He wants to be called "the speaker of truth" but he detests the truth!

Of course the Christ is what all servants of God has been waiting for. From Abel till John the baptist, the law wasn't given to Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Joseph yet they were all declared "RIGHTEOUS" without those laws but because they were longing to see the Messiah (Christ) who is the complete image of God through whom they can learn about all the qualities needed for salvation {Galatians 3:10:14} not the laws given to the nation of Israel in preparation for the coming of Christ!

I just don't know why this could be so difficult for people with working brians to grasp! smiley
Re: Why Should We Pay Tithe If Christ Had Abolished The Law? by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:55pm On Jul 05, 2022
Truvelisback:
U lie.
Ọmọ humble yourself and learn, stop being heady over nothing!
I have quoted what the law says and shown you what was wrong in their judgment but it's obvious you're just being heady! cheesy
Re: Why Should We Pay Tithe If Christ Had Abolished The Law? by Engr2016: 3:06pm On Jul 05, 2022
The answer to this have been given by the Apostles of JESUS since about 2000 years ago in Jerusalem according to the book of Acts 15 where some of Jewish Christians were insisting that gentile converts obey the law of Moses ( circumcision). Remember circumsion is even more important to the Jews and Isrealites than tithe. Without circumcision, you are not even part of the commonwealth of Israel. You are simply an outcast and your offerings and tithes will be like a taboo. This shows the gravity of Circumcision to a typical Jew. The conclusion of the elders(Apostles) on this matter can be found in Acts 15:20 which states: " Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. " Tithes was not even included. If Circumsision that was even be considered a weightier matter of the Old Testament Law can be suspended , then why would a Tithe not be ? The summary of this 4 requirements is simply sanctification , purity or holiness. These were the only aspect of the old testament law that transcend to the new testament because a believer is required to be holy at all times in addition to Love toward GOD and fellow man(which is the greatest commandedment. Math 22:36- 40) . Sexual immorality and idolarory can defile a Christian . My personal belief on tithe is this. It is not compulsory in the New Testament based on what we can see on the Scriptures and not human psycology, philosophy or tradition of men being imposed on believers these days. However, a Christian should be encouraged (not compelled or threatened with fear) to give tithes out of love to support the Gospel. However it should be given to missionaries, full time ministers, widows, orphans, the poor and any vulnerable people in the society . It should not be given to prosperity preachers who are accumulating the money into their bank accounts to build their empire and support their lavish lifestyle. This is a doctrine of mammon. The old Testament High Priests or Levites didn't live such lifestyle at all. Neither did the Apostles in the New Testament era accumulate wealth or proceeds from people for their personal gain. They simply shared it out to members of their Christian community to help them. Yet, people were willing and eager to give freely to them.

Steep:
Let us not also forget,
Thou shall not steal, thou shall not murder, thou shall not commit adultery etc are also part of the old testament.
So if we should do away with tithing because it was part of the old testament law, so we should do away with the the law against stealing and the rest.
This is the dilemma of those without sound biblical knowledge.

What does paul mean that christ abolished the law?
Ephesians 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Note that the law of commandments included both the moral law and the ceremonial law which includes tithing.

One has to read the scriptures in context to understand it.

The context in which Paul is speaking is salvation.

We do not have to keep any law at all to be saved that is because God abolish the law as a means for justification through the death of Jesus, so we just have to believe in Jesus christ as our saviourand his death for the penalty of our sins.

However, when saved we live through the law of the Spirit which is faith and love.

Meaning that whatever we do after salvation should be motivated by faith and love.

The things we do are things that are driven by faith and love.
By this way we establish the law.
We do not go against the law by establish it.

In other words the law was removed for us to be saved and after we are saved we are govern by the law of the Spirit.
Now the law of the Spirit actually establishes the law through us.
What do I mean? Thou shall not murder we is fulfilled because we love our fellow men.
Thou shall not commit adultery is fulfilled because we of love for our neighbors.
We flee from fornication because we love God and acknowledge our bodies as the temple of his spirit in other Word because God's spirit lives in our body we flee from fornication.

What of tithing? Should we tithe, this law is subject to individual local church, a church might not have tithing as their doctrine, but however some church has it as their doctrine because tithing help to support the church, missionaries therefore tithing is good and out of love, so we tithe.
Our intention for giving matters more to God than our giving.
As Christians we should support the church of God. If tithing do it, if it is first fruit do it, if it is harvest, anniversary, sowing do it cheerfully.
People who grumble and murmur at when it comes to giving to the church do so out of evil heart.

One of the signs of a true Christian is the love of the church (fellow christian).

1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

Note "the brethren, brother" means fellow Christians.

1 John 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
Re: Why Should We Pay Tithe If Christ Had Abolished The Law? by Kobojunkie:
Truvelisback:
Why didn't they stone her?
Jesus Christ wasn't a teacher of the Old Law. That job belonged to those who were the Teachers of the Law, the pharisees also who set themselves up as Teachers too. Jesus Christ was instead a Teacher of God's New Covenant, even though He lived according the Old Covenant Law of Moses, the National Constitution of the Nation of God as given by God. So the Old Covenant Law of Moses, which is the Constitution of the Nation of Israel which God gave to Israel, is of the same Will of the Father which Jesus told you that He was sent to do and obeyed. undecided

These men approached Jesus Christ, a non-witness - Deuteronomy 17 vs 2 - 7 & Deuteronomy 19 vs 15 - 21 - to the incident, to inquire what He thought of such things in His New Covenant, and Jesus Christ told them just that. Of His New Covenant, the one without sin is the one to cast the first stone. And the men decided of their own to abandon. That is what we are told. undecided

Jesus Christ said nothing wrong. He did not condemn them in any way for wanting to stone the woman. He did not tell them to stop or warn them not to do it. Nor did He change God's Old Law since according to the Old Law, no man has authority to do that and Jesus Christ was just a man under the Old Law, so? undecided
Re: Why Should We Pay Tithe If Christ Had Abolished The Law? by Dtruthspeaker:
MaxInDHouse:
If Christ is our destination and Christ has come do we still need to travel back to the history of the Israelites and start memorizing the laws God gave them as a nation in order to prepare them for the Christ?
Just like the Israelites, you people never listen to God nor walk in The Way God commanded.

So, Christ came one last time to get all of you to walk once again in The Way God has Set to save you.

But as usual, again, you people never listen nor obey!

MaxInDHouse:
You're just beating about the bush!
Christians only need Jesus Christ of Nazareth we have nothing as in NOTHING to do with the constitution God gave the nation of Israel.
Period!smiley
How insane, you already know that Jesus Christ of Nazareth was sent to Isreal and yet you claim Him. Isn't it mad that you should have abandoned Mohammed only to take Israel's Lord?

Putting your madness aside, Jesus Christ of Nazareth, did clearly command, Mathew 19:17
"If thou wilt enter into Life, KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS!

Case Closed!
Re: Why Should We Pay Tithe If Christ Had Abolished The Law? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:55pm On Jul 05, 2022
Dtruthspeaker:
Just like the Israelites, you people never listen to God nor walk in The Way God commanded.
So, Christ came one last time to get all of you to walk once again in The Way God has Set to save you.
But as usual, again, you people never listen nor obey!
How insane, you already know that Jesus Christ of Nazareth was sent to Isreal and yet you claim Him. Isn't it mad that you should have abandoned Mohammed only to take Israel's Lord?
Putting your madness aside, Jesus Christ of Nazareth, did clearly command, Mathew 19:17
"If thou wilt enter into Life, KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS!
Case Closed!
OLÈÈÈÈÈÈ! grin

No more tithes for pastors so go and find work to do!

Jesus' commandment totally differs from what God commanded the nation of Israel.
Everyone can clearly see that as we all read the sermon on the mount! cheesy
Re: Why Should We Pay Tithe If Christ Had Abolished The Law? by Ken4Christ: 10:32pm On Jul 05, 2022
Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ never abolished the Old Covenant Law. He had no power given to Him by God to undo that which God had set in motion - an eternal Covenant. undecided

What you know as the Law of Moses is in fact the National Constitution of the State of Israel given by God to the people of Israel from whom He constituted the Nation of Israel from, this in the Land of Canaan. undecided

So stating that Jesus Christ abolished the Old Covenant amounts amounts to proclaiming that the God no longer recognizes Israel as a Nation or a people. This goes against not only God's Old Law, the Prophets but also Jesus Christ, the Messiah who is promised to return to reign over Israel during the Millennial reign and so on. undecided
This is ignorance on rampage. There are too many scriptures pointing to the fact that the law of Moses has been abolished. But you people are not open to learning. Even if I quote them which of course I will, most of you will still pretend as though you did not see them.

Let's start from the book of Acts;

Acts 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which YE COULD NOT BE JUSTIFIED BY THE LAW OF MOSES.

In the verse above, it says keeping the law of Moses will not give you right standing with God. Why? Because it has been abolished. Otherwise, the Apostles will not teach that.

Even when they came together to deliberate on whether it was necessary for the Gentiles to keep the law, hear what James said;

Acts 15:13-29
13 And after they had held their peace, JAMES ANSWERED, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:

14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.

15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,

16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.

19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:

23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:

24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, SUBVERTING YOUR SOULS, SAYING, YE MUST BE CIRCUMCISED, AND KEEP THE LAW, to whom WE GAVE NO SUCH COMMANDMENT.

25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,

26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.

28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Read verse 24 very well. James said those insisting that the law of Moses must be kept are subverting the souls of these new converts. He said they didn't give such Commandments.

Now, let's proceed to the book of Romans;

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for YE ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW, BUT UNDER GRACE.

This correlates with what John said in his gospel;

John 1:17 For the LAW WAS GIVEN BY MOSES, but GRACE AND TRUTH CAME BY JESUS CHRIST.

Another passage in Romans reads;

Romans 7:6 But now WE ARE DELIVERED FROM THE LAW, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Why did God deliver the Jews from the law of Moses? Because, it brought curses and deaths to them. Under the law of Moses, there was no mercy. You are stoned to death when you commit certain errors. This was why they almost stoned the woman caught in the very act of adultery to death if not for the intervention of our Lord Jesus.

Romans 10:4 reads:

For CHRIST IS THE END OF THE LAW for righteousness to every one that believeth.

From Romans, let's take our journey to the book of second Corinthians. Apostle Paul wrote concerning the law and contrasting it with this dispensation which he calls the ministry of righteousness and of the Spirit;

2nd Corinthians 3:6-15
6 Who also hath made us ABLE MINISTERS OF THE NEW TESTAMENT; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for THE LETTER KILLETH, but the spirit giveth life. note

7 But if the MINISTRATION OF DEATH, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

9 For if the MINISTRATION OF CONDEMNATION be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:

13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

In this passage, Paul calls the law of Moses, the letter that kills. He also called it, ministration of death. In addition, he called it, ministration of condemnation.

There are evidences in Galatians (2:16-21, 3:13-14, 5:1). Ephesians (2:15) Colossians (2:14) and even the book of Hebrews (7:18 - 19) pointing to the fact that the Law of Moses has been abolished.

Please, update and upgrade your knowledge. Stop putting new wine in old bottles.
Re: Why Should We Pay Tithe If Christ Had Abolished The Law? by Dtruthspeaker:
MaxInDHouse:
OLÈÈÈÈÈÈ! grin

No more tithes for pastors so go and find work to do!
O I see, you are the thief! It is because you are greatly jelous of the riches of pastors that is why your Satanness has once again come out. Lake of Fire loaded.

MaxInDHouse:
Everyone can clearly see that as we all read the sermon on the mount!
And if everyone checks it, they would see that the sermon is right in the middle of The Commandments.eg Do not Kill, is still do not kill and anger is a type of killing. If you bring your gift to the alter and you remember you have issues with your brother, this is The Law in Luke 19:17, adultery is still Do not commit adultery etc.

You are just children of disobedience, the sermon on the Mount is still The Same Law and Commandments given to Moses.
Re: Why Should We Pay Tithe If Christ Had Abolished The Law? by Dtruthspeaker: 5:30am On Jul 06, 2022
Ken4Christ:
This is ignorance on rampage. ..

Let's start from the book of Acts;

Acts 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which YE COULD NOT BE JUSTIFIED BY THE LAW OF MOSES.
You can not be justified by Law because you are guilty under Law, or would you say you have not broken any Law? Oya Lie.

Ken4Christ:
Read verse 24 very well. James said those insisting that the law of Moses must be kept are subverting the souls of these new converts. He said they didn't give such Commandments.
How do you reasonably expect an Urhobo man in Nigeria to know how to properly keep All The Commandments WHEN HE HAS NEVER SEEN THEM BEFORE AND IS JUST HEARING ABOUT THEM?

Is it reasonable to expect that you would be able to immediately obey the laws they have in Saud Arabia when you just became a Muslim?

Ken4Christ:
Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for YE ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW, BUT UNDER GRACE

John 1:17 For the LAW WAS GIVEN BY MOSES, but GRACE AND TRUTH CAME BY JESUS CHRIST.
Does this not mean Moses was Given The Law while Christ came with Grace and Truth that you should keep and obey The Law?

Ken4Christ:
Romans 7:6 But now WE ARE DELIVERED FROM THE LAW, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Delivered from death under Law into Life In The Law, by a new spirit of obedience and not your old spirit of disobedience and evil

And as you see, you have not changed but are still your former guilty self.
Re: Why Should We Pay Tithe If Christ Had Abolished The Law? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:06am On Jul 06, 2022
Dtruthspeaker:
O I see, you are the thief! It is because you are greatly jelous of the riches of pastors that is why your Satanness has once again come out. Lake of Fire loaded.
OOOOLLLÈÈÈÈÈÈÈ!
The richest man on this planet is Jesus Christ of Nazareth followed by Adam both of them were rich in glory as everything both in heaven and on earth were created by Jesus and belongs to him {Colossians 1:15-16} Adam the earthly brother of Jesus {Luke 3:38} on the other hand has everything on this planet at his disposal, they were contented and willing to share what they had with others unlike you and your greedy satanic Pastors who want all the glory and to live like God's over other humans {Matthew 6:24} all in the name of servants of God claiming you're related to Jesus who never accumulated a single material possession! Matthew 6:19-23

OOOOLLLÈÈÈÈÈÈÈ! cheesy

Dtruthspeaker:
And if everyone checks it, they would see that the sermon is right in the middle of The Commandments.eg Do not Kill, is still do not kill and anger is a type of killing. If you bring your gift to the alter and you remember you have issues with your brother, this is The Law in Luke 19:17, adultery is still Do not commit adultery etc.
All those laws were written no longer in words but on Jesus Christ who never committed any of it so whoever wants to be a little Christ (Christian) can't rejoice committing such blunders {1Corinthians 13:6} so we don't teach one another saying do not commit this or do not commit that, all we need is to focus on our role model CHRIST! Hebrews 12:2
Dtruthspeaker:
You are just children of disobedience, the sermon on the Mount is still The Same Law and Commandments given to Moses.
In what way have i been DISOBEDIENT?
Is it not you and your greedy pastors that are disobedient to the Son of God by accumulating material possessions on planet earth when Christ ordered us to live simple lives?
You have robbed your neighbours so much that you and your pastors no longer walk freely without armed security guards because you're scared of being attacked by those who are also lovers of material possessions like you THIEVES! Matthew 6:19

OOOOLLLÈÈÈÈÈÈÈ! cheesy
Re: Why Should We Pay Tithe If Christ Had Abolished The Law? by Dtruthspeaker: 6:11am On Jul 06, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
OOOOLLLÈÈÈÈÈÈÈ!
The richest man on this planet is Jesus Christ of Nazareth followed by Adam both !
Mr. Off Point, the thief, no one ask who is the richest man in the world. Obviously you are very hungry you should not bother, you will never be rich.
Re: Why Should We Pay Tithe If Christ Had Abolished The Law? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:23am On Jul 06, 2022
Dtruthspeaker:
Mr. Off Point, the thief, no one ask who is the richest man in the world. Obviously you are very hungry you should not bother, you will never be rich.
I'm rich just like my Lord who commanded me to store my treasures in heaven where moth or rust can't reach, and where thieves can't break in and steal my treasures! Matthew 6:19-20

Can't you see how rich i am in the spirit? Luke 6:45

I'm greater than you in the sight of the true God because material possessions is never my goal so i won't keep demanding what Christ our new High Priest never demanded from anyone: TITHES in material possessions! Matthew 23:23

OOOOLLLÈÈÈÈÈÈÈ! cheesy
Re: Why Should We Pay Tithe If Christ Had Abolished The Law? by Dtruthspeaker: 6:30am On Jul 06, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
I'm rich just like my Lord who..
Thief, The rich never bother about other people's riches it is only the poor and hungry. Tithe Thief!
Re: Why Should We Pay Tithe If Christ Had Abolished The Law? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:18am On Jul 06, 2022
Dtruthspeaker:
Thief, The rich never bother about other people's riches it is only the poor and hungry. Tithe Thief!
So Jesus is a thief for admonishing his disciples not to accumulate material possessions, shey? cheesy

I've told you times without number to stop quoting me because you can never find anything wrong with me but i will continue to point out the evil hidden in your heart.
That's the edge spiritual men like me have above physical men like you! 1Corinthians 2:15

You can't find any scripture to back what you're saying against my submission but i don't like exposing you if not because you're crossing the line to come after me!

So if you want peace for your soul stop quoting me. For scriptural matter i pass you no be small! undecided
Re: Why Should We Pay Tithe If Christ Had Abolished The Law? by Dtruthspeaker: 4:22pm On Jul 06, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
So Jesus is a thief for admonishing his disciples not to accumulate material possessions, shey? cheesy
In addition to your satanness is increased madness. No reasonable person can ever think to link simple counseling with crazed maniacal display, but obviously, your poverty has increased your madness which is why you do this. Shoo off madman! Gosh, what a Curse!
Re: Why Should We Pay Tithe If Christ Had Abolished The Law? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:13pm On Jul 06, 2022
Dtruthspeaker:
In addition to your satanness is increased madness. No reasonable person can ever think to link simple counseling with crazed maniacal display, but obviously, your poverty has increased your madness which is why you do this. Shoo off madman! Gosh, what a Curse!
Just stop mentioning/quoting me because you lack the basic knowledge to chat with me on scriptural topics! cheesy
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