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Lukuluku69:
When you find where your Jesus went to Hellfire, mention me again by quoting the relevant verses.

Kobojunkie:
1. That is actually not true. Not everyone does that. Instead it is those whose assumptions of what is written does not directly line up that are instead mostly guilty of that.

2. These questions have long been thoroughly answered by God in Scripture so if you do not know then I suggest you double up and read Scripture this time with your eyes open.

3. See my previous comments where I have throughout answered these questions by highlighting Isaiahz message in regards to the mentions.

4. Isaiah 60 vs 16 - 22 answers you best.

advocatejare:
I gave you evidence in your own books, if you are not a disgrace to humanity , show evidence of your lies

Lukuluku69:
The rigmarole continues. Please post Isaiah 60 Vs 16-22.

Please do and put your commentary beneath it.

Lukuluku69:
I know you never seen where your Jesus went to hellfire before. I know it and I also know that many of you Dolts have never seen it.

Go read up or better still go ask one of your G.Os. Ask the one who drinks Tea regularly with God.

Kobojunkie:
Why should I add commentary to that which can be directly comprehended abeg?

advocatejare:
You made a claim and you can’t substantiate it. Shame on you.

I made a claim and I showed you the proof in the Quran and Hadith about how your false prophet was not sure of his salvation, how he was not sure if al-makireena will bestow favour on him.

You’re a disgrace to mankind, a useless man is the one who speaks and can’t prove his words. Prove your words

advocatejare:
You made a claim and you can’t substantiate it. Shame on you.

I made a claim and I showed you the proof in the Quran and Hadith about how your false prophet was not sure of his salvation, how he was not sure if al-makireena will bestow favour on him.

You’re a disgrace to mankind, a useless man is the one who speaks and can’t prove his words. Prove your words

Lukuluku69:
Wehreydinho, the death of any man, anyone has no spiritual implications on my salvation.

John The Baptist head was chopped, the Bible records that Zacharias was killed by the Jews and it is reported that the Jews are Prophets Klliers, does chopping John The Baptist head reduce him as God's Prophet?

But you guys are bereft of reasoning, Deaf, dumb and blind.

Lukuluku69:
Dumbo, what do I have to substantiate a Deaf, Dumb and Blind fellow?

Weyrey, ask your fellow Christian, may be one or two will point it out to you. Not this Muslim here.

And the disgrace and shame is yours alone for not knowing that your Jesus went to HELLFIRE enroute where he is now

Lukuluku69:
1. Verse 14. "The sons of them that afflicted thee" represents the conversion of the sons of those who opposed the Arabian Prophet mission. They all came to him and accept him. They all bowed down at his feet: simply means they came to him and beg his forgiveness and he accepted them all.

2. Verse 15. This needs a bit of elaboration. You see before Prophet Muhammad time in Arabia, the Arabian are generally regard has brutes, sub-humans. No Nation deemed them worthy to colonize. Their Land is but a barren wasteland. So, the Super Powers then overlooked them. The Persians, Romans, Greeks passed them by. But when Islam was preached among these brutes, they became Light bearers in spiritual, educational etc matter. The Arabs supplanted the Persians, Romans and many other ancients powers.

3. Verse 16. Within a few years after Islam was preached many surrounding Lands Rulers came into the fold and regularly send gifts to the Prophet as well as to the City of Mecca.

4. Verse 17. From bass, to gold, from iron to silver simply means from a dross people God will bring out excellent beings. And this was exactly the condition of the Arabs before and after Islam.

Lukuluku69:
I have been seeing seeing your commentaries here on Nairaland nah?

So, why are you afraid to add your commentaries to Isaiah 42/60?

advocatejare:
Lukuluku69
You have cursed yourself already for adding to the scriptures

“And I solemnly declare to everyone who hears the words of prophecy written in this book: If anyone adds anything to what is written here, God will add to that person the plagues described in this book.”
-Revelation 22:18

Lukuluku69:
That Curse or your curse is on you Christians and the Jews not me a Muslim.

You are the one that have different versions of God's word.

And go read up. Your Jesus went to hell enroute....

advocatejare:
So you can’t substantiate the lies you wrote? That means you have added to the words of the Lord, so will he add to your calamity unless you have not lied.

advocatejare:
You will realize when it hits you.


Like Hafs, Warsh, Uthmanic version,Masud, Ubai’s version, Nafi; ibn Kathir; ibn 'Amir; Abu Amr; Asim, Hamzah; al-Kisai.


Provide your reference from the scriptures or may God’s curse be on your head for lying

Kobojunkie:
As expected, these are all clearly more attempts made by you to inject, yet again, your delusions into that clearly communicated in what is human language to you and all readers.

1. [s]Wrong! The verse speaks of the descendants of the enemies of Israel coming to bow down to the holy city of the Lord, Jerusalem.

2. Again wrong! According to the chapter, God says He will make the holy city of the Lord, mentioned in verse 14, an eternal excellency and joy of many generations.

3. Again, wrong! According to the chapter, God proclaims instead that the city will suck from gentiles Nations all its needs and desires. And that He, will at the time will be revealed as the savior and Messiah, the great God of Israel.

4. Again wrong! In continuation, God declares He will bring to the City that which it does not have and more[/s]

Lukuluku69:
The Curse, read your Quran again, that curse is on you Muslims for there are different versions of the Quran. Some have more books in their quran than the others. So, either way, the curse is on you Muslims

Lukuluku69:
I Lukuluku69 I am Weyrey

Lukuluku69:
I Lukuluku69 am Weyrey for believing that I will spend my eternity to be having sex with virgins in Janna. Allah, Al-makireena the best of the deceivers has deceived me

advocatejare:
The earliest manuscripts of your Quran have different chapters, the later manuscripts have different meanings

Masud’s version: 111 chapters
Surahs missing in Ibn Masud mushaf
Ibn Masud’s mushaf (codex) does not have three surahs: al-Fatihah and al-mu’awwizatayn (al-Falaq and al-Nas), i.e. nos. 1, 113 and 114

Ubai’s version: 116 chapters
Has two extra surahs Surat al-Khaland Surat al-Hafd that are not found today




Is Hafs and Warsh the same? No
Surah 2:85
Hafs: you do
Warsh: They do

Surah 15:8
Hafs: We do not send down..

Warsh: they do not come down..


we have been told that Quran is 100% preserved by Allah, words to words, letter to letter, dot to dot.


Infact , in Surah 15 vs 9 ,Allah said:
"Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an and indeed, We will be its guardian." That means nothing has changed in the Quran.. but how true is that?

lets us compare HAFS ``SAHRAAN`` and Warsh``SAHRAAN`` reading of the quran...
I must say some of these variant does not change the meaning of the text..

SURAH QASAS 28:48

Version --HAFS ``SAHRAAN``
But when the truth came to them from Us, they said, "Why was he not given like that which was given to Moses?" Did they not disbelieve in that which was given to Moses before? They said, "[They are but] two works of magic supporting each other, and indeed we are, in both, disbelievers."

Version--WARSH ``SAAHIRAAN``
But when the truth came to them from Us, they said, "Why was he not given like that which was given to Moses?" Did they not disbelieve in that which was given to Moses before? They said, "[They are but] two magicians supporting each other, and indeed we are, in both, disbelievers."


Hafs version says “ two works of the magic supporting each other" while Warsh version two works of magicians supporting each other..
My question here : was there two magicians or one magicians performing two magics?

SURAH ZUKHRUF 43:19
HAFS ``IBAAD UR RAHMAN``
And they have made the angels, who are slaves of the Most Merciful, females. Did they witness their creation? Their testimony will be recorded, and they will be questioned.


WARSH ``IND AR RAHMAN
And they have made the angels, who are with the Most Merciful, females. Did they witness their creation? Their testimony will be recorded, and they will be questioned.


Are the angels slaves of the most Merciful or they are with the most Merciful?

SURAH HIJR 15:8
HAFS ``NUNAZIL``
We do not send down the angels except with truth; and the disbelievers would not then be reprieved.


WARSH ``TANAZAL``
You do not send down the angels except with truth; and the disbelievers would not then be reprieved.

Lukuluku69:
Turd.

14 In the past, people hurt you, but they will bow down before you. In the past, people hated you, but they will bow down at your feet. They will call you ‘The City of the Lord’s,’ ‘Zion of the Holy One of Israel.’
15 “People hated you. You were left all alone with no one passing through. But I will make you great from now on. You will be happy forever and ever.
16 Nations will give you what you need, like a child drinking milk from its mother. But you will ‘drink’ riches from kings. Then you will know that it is I, the Lord, who saves you. You will know that I, the Great God of Jacob, protect you.
17 “You now have copper, but I will bring you gold. You now have iron, but I will bring you silver. I will change your wood into copper and your rocks into iron. I will change your punishment into peace. And those who punished you will be replaced with those who are kind to you. - Isaiah 60 vs 14 - 17

Kobojunkie:
Open your eyes!

Lukuluku69:
I Lukuluku69 I am Dundee, what you have above is just a TRANSLATION of the Arabic Text.

When you read the Arabic it is the same.

advocatejare:
I gave you evidence in your own books, if you are not a disgrace to humanity , show evidence of your lies


You are following a man who didn’t know how he will spend his eternity and who claim that your own fate too is unknown. You’re blind man following another blind man, the two of you will fall into hellfire together

ANTIlSLAM:
You don't have to insult your dad at home b4 making up your point, continue being frustrated while the truth make you uncomfortable, Las las you'll be fine


Remember Quran and hadith says Jesus Christ is alive, his death and resurrection gives salvation. Those names you mentioned above, none of them is alive till today including your messenger that was poisoned to death but Jesus Christ is alive as you know, so don't let frustration send you to grave by insulting people here.

Mass Alarm

mhmsadyq:
Nuisance!

Comot for my front, jor!

advocatejare:
The earliest manuscripts of your Quran have different chapters, the later manuscripts have different meanings

Masud’s version: 111 chapters
Surahs missing in Ibn Masud mushaf
Ibn Masud’s mushaf (codex) does not have three surahs: al-Fatihah and al-mu’awwizatayn (al-Falaq and al-Nas), i.e. nos. 1, 113 and 114

Ubai’s version: 116 chapters
Has two extra surahs Surat al-Khaland Surat al-Hafd that are not found today




Is Hafs and Warsh the same? No
Surah 2:85
Hafs: you do
Warsh: They do

Surah 15:8
Hafs: We do not send down..

Warsh: they do not come down..


we have been told that Quran is 100% preserved by Allah, words to words, letter to letter, dot to dot.


Infact , in Surah 15 vs 9 ,Allah said:
"Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an and indeed, We will be its guardian." That means nothing has changed in the Quran.. but how true is that?

lets us compare HAFS ``SAHRAAN`` and Warsh``SAHRAAN`` reading of the quran...
I must say some of these variant does not change the meaning of the text..

SURAH QASAS 28:48

Version --HAFS ``SAHRAAN``
But when the truth came to them from Us, they said, "Why was he not given like that which was given to Moses?" Did they not disbelieve in that which was given to Moses before? They said, "[They are but] two works of magic supporting each other, and indeed we are, in both, disbelievers."

Version--WARSH ``SAAHIRAAN``
But when the truth came to them from Us, they said, "Why was he not given like that which was given to Moses?" Did they not disbelieve in that which was given to Moses before? They said, "[They are but] two magicians supporting each other, and indeed we are, in both, disbelievers."


Hafs version says “ two works of the magic supporting each other" while Warsh version two works of magicians supporting each other..
My question here : was there two magicians or one magicians performing two magics?

SURAH ZUKHRUF 43:19
HAFS ``IBAAD UR RAHMAN``
And they have made the angels, who are slaves of the Most Merciful, females. Did they witness their creation? Their testimony will be recorded, and they will be questioned.


WARSH ``IND AR RAHMAN
And they have made the angels, who are with the Most Merciful, females. Did they witness their creation? Their testimony will be recorded, and they will be questioned.


Are the angels slaves of the most Merciful or they are with the most Merciful?

SURAH HIJR 15:8
HAFS ``NUNAZIL``
We do not send down the angels except with truth; and the disbelievers would not then be reprieved.


WARSH ``TANAZAL``
You do not send down the angels except with truth; and the disbelievers would not then be reprieved.

mhmsadyq:
These are your headache not ours.