BlackManta:


No Way Home tried...

Phase 4 is the weakest in all of MCU.

Ever since Disney+ arrived, it's been quantity over quality

Omoh, you sabi review movie abeg...

Phase 4 truly isn't the best, looked like marvel got to a high point and started declining... Wanda vision was nice, but their theater releases have been competition to be more shitty than the last, from black widow to MoM... None of them is exceptional. I hope black panther 2 and Ant-Man 3 is better, I love those.

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As for Wanda in Wandavision. You can see that Wanda is already mad. Someone that possessed a whole town and would have let the people die in an illusion, if not for outside interference.

And how did WandaVision end

Did you watch the show from beginning to end

Wanda's madness in WandaVision did not get to the level of killing dozens of innocent people.

WandaVision is about Wanda going through the five stages of grief and she's tried to bury that grief and hide it instead of accepting it and dealing with it like a normal person should.

Wanda in WandaVision is far more relatable than the nonsense they fed us in MoM.

Go back and watch the finale of WandaVision.
She let go of vision and her kids in that finale and moved on.

Fast forward to MoM and MCU ridiculously undid everything they achieved with Wanda in WandaVision.

She started pursuing her kids, same kids that she already let go in WandaVision finale, kids that belong to another woman.....How does this make sense to you

What is the point of WandaVision....

MoM criminally undermined that show to the point that you start to wonder why they made that show in the first place

Wanda's character journey wasted just like that.

How is it character assassination when Wanda is already mad before the dark hold? The dark hold corrupts. It corrupted a version of Doctor strange.

The Darkhold excuse makes this movie much worse.

Darkhold corrupts...bla bla bla

I didn't see Darkhold corrupt anybody in this movie.
They only told us that to make up for the lazy writing.

How exactly does the Darkhold corrupt

They didn't show us.

They fed us exposition and you expect me to swallow the hook, line and sinker.

Does the book have a mind of its own
Does it control the reader or vice versa
Does the book fill your head with evil thoughts
Does the book tell you what to do
Did the book control Wanda to kill dozens of people or did she do that willingly
Does the Darkhold influence its reader to use it, or can the reader use it for his own needs willingly

When you say Darkhold corrupts...these are the questions you must answer and you answer them and make things clear by showing it in your movie not dumping it inside exposition.

Based on what I saw in the movie, Darkhold is just a normal magic book with immense power.
The damn thing does not have a mind of its own and it will not tell you how to use it or what to use it for or who to kill.

Wanda in this movie is just a twisted and monstrous fvck.

Hold her responsible for her actions and stop blaming the book.

Blaming Darkhold is like blaming alcohol for all the accidents that happen on the road instead holding drunk drivers accountable.

BlackManta:
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Man watched Wanda go on a murderous spree. Saw a universe that collapsed due to its Dr Strange using the Darkhold but wants a PowerPoint presentation on the Darkhold's corruption.

If the Darkhold wasn't a factor to Wanda's villainy, why did she destroy it at the end of the movie? Why didn't she leave it for a good person to make proper use of it? Why was Wong bothered that Strange used it and why did Wanda call Strange a hypocrite for using the Darkhold?

BlackManta:


And how did WandaVision end

Did you watch the show from beginning to end

Wanda's madness in WandaVision did not get to the level of killing dozens of innocent people.

WandaVision is about Wanda going through the five stages of grief and she's tried to bury that grief and hide it instead of accepting it and dealing with it like a normal person should.

Wanda in WandaVision is far more relatable than the nonsense they fed us in MoM.

Go back and watch the finale of WandaVision.
She let go of vision and her kids in that finale and moved on.

Fast forward to MoM and MCU ridiculously undid everything they achieved with Wanda in WandaVision.

It seems that you didn't even read what I wrote and just went on your rant against Wanda.

Wanda let go of her kids because she was forced to. Secondly, the kids were not real in Wandavision or her universe.

Doctor strange MOM is a different movie. Wanda realised that she could get real kids from another universe.


Furthermore, death is better than being brain dead for the rest of your life. Someone that can leave you brainwashed and bewitched for the rest of your life can kill you. Did you not consider that?

Wanda killing people is character progression and not character assassination. Her madness progressed just like how a disease left untreated progresses. The dark hold made things even worse.

BlackManta:


She started pursuing her kids, same kids that she already let go in WandaVision finale, kids that belong to another woman.....How does this make sense to you

What is the point of WandaVision....

The kids in Wandavision were not real. In Dr Strange MOM, they were real. They were real in another universe.

BlackManta:


MoM criminally undermined that show to the point that you start to wonder why they made that show in the first place

Wanda's character journey wasted just like that.

Character progression.

You also seem to forget that Dr Strange is a movie on its own.

Madness left untreated gets worse.

BlackManta:


The Darkhold excuse makes this movie much worse.

Darkhold corrupts...bla bla bla

I didn't see Darkhold corrupt anybody in this movie.
They only told us that to make up for the lazy writing.

How exactly does the Darkhold corrupt

They didn't show us.

They fed us exposition and you expect me to swallow the hook, line and sinker.

Does the book have a mind of its own
Does it control the reader or vice versa
Does the book fill your head with evil thoughts
Does the book tell you what to do
Did the book control Wanda to kill dozens of people or did she do that willingly
Does the Darkhold influence its reader to use it, or can the reader use it for his own needs willingly

The dark hold already corrupted a Dr Strange in another universe. The book literally has a mind of its own. It gives the minds eye- the third eye.

BlackManta:


When you say Darkhold corrupts...these are the questions you must answer and you answer them and make things clear by showing it in your movie not dumping it inside exposition.

You are grasping at straws here.

TopeQs:


Omoh, you sabi review movie abeg...

Phase 4 truly isn't the best, looked like marvel got to a high point and started declining... Wanda vision was nice, but their theater releases have been competition to be more shitty than the last, from black widow to MoM... None of them is exceptional. I hope black panther 2 and Ant-Man 3 is better, I love those.

Spiderman no way home nko?

SOZINN:





LOL, practically all of what you've said here is debatable. Before I analyze your assertions, let me just state that Shang Chi is a better story than Dr. Strange 2. There isn't a single spot where Dr Strange 2 excels, if we were to aggregate critiques from the wider population across all platforms on the internet. The fact that Dr. Strange made more money than Shang Chi is the only thing that makes it a nominee.

Potential Spoilers Ahead.

1. The graphical prowess of Dr. Strange 2 was just OK. The aesthetics are indicative of Marvel movies. The entirety of what the flick gave us had previously been set up by earlier films. I concur with you that the movie's characters are better, for this reason. The number of multiverse realms actually utilized in the film was quite limited (only four) but Shang Chi featured actual dragons and the MCU's first-ever exposition of Chinese culture.

2. Your assessment of Shang Chi's storyline development surprised me. The action didn't suddenly shift from a thousand years ago to the 21st century. His mother was only telling her version of history. Furthermore, it is only reasonable that the antagonist should be introduced and established in the audience's minds effectively through a plot. How often have we grumbled that fictional antagonists act sinisterly merely for the purpose of doing so? It was well worth the few minutes it took to give us some context on Wenwu. Now that that is out of the way, Shang Chi actually had a pace that was quite convincing.

3. Wanda isn't any worse of a bad guy than Shang Chi's father. Both of them had intrusive thoughts. But let's contrast the two illusions:

I. Wanda's children were created as a result of her reality-warping talents, and even though she was aware that they weren't real, she killed people anyway because she was playing crap. While Wenwu was on a mission to save his wife.

II. Wenwu heard his wife pleading for freedom. Wanda wanted to go to that universe, kill the mother there, and kidnap her children even though she saw those kids getting along fine. Wenwu is attempting to save his wife in this instance as opposed to Wanda seeking to take possession of something that is obviously not hers.

4. Dr. Strange 2 did not even come close to meeting peoples' expectations, whereas Shang Chi did and even exceeded them. Dr. Strange 2 had a great deal of potential and initiated plot lines that would have served as the foundation for other mind-blowing projects, but it failed due to its poor storyline. In the end, all it had were a few moments that were exploited to entice comic book aficionados to the movies.

5. You also mentioned that Shang Chi's father posed no significant danger. However, let me remind you that sending Dr. Strange and Dr. Palmer to a different universe was the worst thing Wanda could do following the strain of trailing them across two universes that they made her endure. While Shang Chi's father murdered his son when the latter claimed his wife wouldn't want to be with a monster. Nevertheless, the white dragon later brought Shang Chi back to consciousness.

6. What is more ludicrous, I'm not sure. Is it the guy questioning the amount of continuity errors in Dr. Strange 2 or you trying to claim that Shang Chi has more plot holes merely because you were able to identify one? Even if I start pointing errors out one by one, this page won't be sufficient to address all that needs to be written on the topic. Since this is already a lengthy post, I'll just conclude it here.

1. Dr Strange MOM graphics is better than that of Shang Chi. MOM's graphics are far above average. The visuals were the selling point of the movie. Let's not tell lies here.

2. Dr Strange MOM is a better paced movie. The characters needed little introduction as they have the benefit of past marvel movies to build them up. Doctor strange was a consistent comedy horror with action throughout.

3. Wanda was more of a threat (as compared to Wenwu). She had already killed a version of doctor strange in another universe in the beginning. Wanda was capable of destruction. She had the means and purpose for it.

4. Lies. People didn't know what to expect from Shang Chi. What percentage of people even read the boring comic? It just came out good.

5. Wanda could kill in any universe while dream walking. She even killed a version of doctor strange without stress.

6. I didn't say that Shang Chi has more plot holes. I said that the central 0lot of Shang Chi is a plot hole. The movie itself is a plot hole. Why would shang Chi's mother leave the medallions with her small children. The medallions that are keys to holding the gate that is keeping the deadliest evil in place. Also why did wen we wait till the children became adults to take the medallions? Or even the spirits wait to whisper to Wenwu?

Everyone has been ranting about Marvel phase four being average or subpar; and I can't really recall any phase being excellent. You all are just judging it based on the standards kept by Infinity War and Endgame.

Phase One
Iron man - Good
Incredible Hulk - Average
Iron Man 2 - Average
Thor - Average
Captain America - Average
Avengers - Excellent

Phase Two
Iron Man 2 - Average
Thor 2 - Average
Captain America 2 - Good
Guardians of the Galaxy - Average
Avengers 2 - Average
Ant Man - Average

Phase Three
Captain America 3 - Average
Doctor Strange - Average
Guardians of the Galaxy 2 - Average
Spiderman Homecoming - Average
Thor 3 - Average
Black Panther - Good
Avengers 3 - Excellent
Ant Man 2 - Average
Captain Marvel - Average
Avengers 4 - Good
Spiderman 2 - Average

phr0nesis:
Everyone has been ranting about Marvel phase four being average or subpar; and I can't really recall any phase being excellent. You all are just judging it based on the standards kept by Infinity War and Endgame.

Phase One
Iron man - Good
Incredible Hulk - Average
Iron Man 2 - Average
Thor - Average
Captain America - Average
Avengers - Excellent

Phase Two
Iron Man 2 - Average
Thor 2 - Average
Captain America 2 - Good
Guardians of the Galaxy - Average
Avengers 2 - Average
Ant Man - Average

Phase Three
Captain America 3 - Average
Doctor Strange - Average
Guardians of the Galaxy 2 - Average
Spiderman Homecoming - Average
Thor 3 - Average
Black Panther - Good
Avengers 3 - Excellent
Ant Man 2 - Average
Avengers 4 - Good
Spiderman 2 - Average

What are you rating?.

phr0nesis:
Everyone has been ranting about Marvel phase four being average or subpar; and I can't really recall any phase being excellent. You all are just judging it based on the standards kept by Infinity War and Endgame.

Phase One
Iron man - Good
Incredible Hulk - Average
Iron Man 2 - Average
Thor - Average
Captain America - Average
Avengers - Excellent

Phase Two
Iron Man 2 - Average
Thor 2 - Average
Captain America 2 - Good
Guardians of the Galaxy - Average
Avengers 2 - Average
Ant Man - Average

Phase Three
Captain America 3 - Average
Doctor Strange - Average
Guardians of the Galaxy 2 - Average
Spiderman Homecoming - Average
Thor 3 - Average
Black Panther - Good
Avengers 3 - Excellent
Ant Man 2 - Average
Avengers 4 - Good
Spiderman 2 - Average

While I agree with your overall sentiment, my nigga, did you just call Avengers 2 "average"?

The hubris of some people sha.

JackBizzle:



While I agree with your overall sentiment, my nigga, did you just call Avengers 2 "average"?

The hubris of some people sha.

The guy rating is shitty.

JackBizzle:



While I agree with your overall sentiment, my nigga, did you just call Avengers 2 "average"?

The hubris of some people sha.

I don't expect everyone to agree with all my ratings. I'm suppose to even give you a pack of your favorite drink for disagreeing with just one

Can you imagine Dr Strange and Wong enters the santom sanctorum in New York from the Kamar taj in asia using their sling ring. Just like that. They don't need to book any flight ticket.

DieRich5:
Sha if I watch Thor: relationship and thunder for cinema my rating count?

Lmao.... This meme is GOATED.


Prepping to STEAL It.

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It seems that you didn't even read what I wrote and just went on your rant against Wanda.

Wanda let go of her kids because she was forced to. Secondly, the kids were not real in Wandavision or her universe.

Lies from the pit of hell

She wasn't forced to let go of her kids and vision.
She did so willingly.

She beat those sword guys and Agatha.
There was no one left to stop her and yet she did the right thing.

She wasn't forced to let go.

Unless you want to classify Monica Rambeu's persuasive talk as 'forcing'.

The kids in Wandavision were not real. In Dr Strange MOM, they were real. They were real in another universe.

Those kids belong to another woman, to another Wanda.
Therefore they are not her real kids....simple and short.

Character progression.

You also seem to forget that Dr Strange is a movie on its own.

Madness left untreated gets worse.






The dark hold already corrupted a Dr Strange in another universe. The book literally has a mind of its own. It gives the minds eye- the third eye.

Explain how the Darkhold has a mind of its own.
A book commanded Wanda to get up and start killing people, right?
Because that is not what the movie showed us.
Darkhold corrupts is just lazy writing.....You must show exactly how it does that. It's not by dumping exposition.
Fvcking show it if you want to me to believe it.

Darkhold excuse is just you trying to absolve Wanda of any responsibility.

Get your tongue out of Wanda's ass.

Kaycee7:
Man watched Wanda go on a murderous spree. Saw a universe that collapsed due to its Dr Strange using the Darkhold but wants a PowerPoint presentation on the Darkhold's corruption.

If the Darkhold wasn't a factor to Wanda's villainy, why did she destroy it at the end of the movie? Why didn't she leave it for a good person to make proper use of it? Why was Wong bothered that Strange used it and why did Wanda call Strange a hypocrite for using the Darkhold?

HOW EXACTLY DOES THE DARKHOLD CORRUPT?


Seriously, how? There's no reason for it to do that. It serves no purpose for the book specifically. There are other examples of items corrupting wielders but those work because they serve a purpose.

The One Ring has Sauron's power tied to it. It makes sense that he would make it so that anyone who had the ring would be tempted by its power and wouldn't want to destroy it thus Sauron can still survive if he "dies". Some of Voldemort's horcruxes have this function. The necklace makes the wielder more unstable thus affecting their decision making which could make it easier for Voldy to retrieve it when he finds out it's missing. The diary allows him to possess the wielder and manipulate them into his bidding at least to some extent. Ignoring the horrible execution in Harry Potter, the concept is still understandable. In both these cases, the corrupting artifacts are borderline indestructible with very few things being able to destroy them.

Obviously there are things that corrupt people in fiction for no particular reason. Like the Goblin Serum or the Lizard Serum in Spider-Man and TASM respectively. But these make sense. They are dangerous chemicals that were injected into the creator out of desperation and injecting shit that seriously alters your biology can definitely do shit to your brain. It's not a living thing like the Venom Symbiote which in some versions, is either a feral bloodthirsty animal (Ultimate Comics), an evil angry and hateful monster (90s TAS, 2017, Spectacular Spider-Man),or somewhere in somewhere in between (SM3).

None of this applies to the Darkhold. It's not trying to bring back its creator or keep him from dying. It's not a thing that coincidentally corrupts you. It's not an actual living thing. The creator placed that effect on the Darkhold intentionally for no reason at all only for the sake of the plot.

Honestly, the movie's not actually clear on what it does to the user. Seemed more like a general temptation thing to me and in fact the movie just says "it takes a heavy toll".

Wanda seems to have actively and intentionally sought to use the book and there's absolutely no clear indication she got drawn to it by any corrupting force.

Side Note: Darkhold excuse completely exempts Agatha from any wrongdoing even from the writers' pov

BlackManta:


HOW EXACTLY DOES THE DARKHOLD CORRUPT?


Seriously, how? There's no reason for it to do that. It serves no purpose for the book specifically. There are other examples of items corrupting wielders but those work because they serve a purpose.

The One Ring has Sauron's power tied to it. It makes sense that he would make it so that anyone who had the ring would be tempted by its power and wouldn't want to destroy it thus Sauron can still survive if he "dies". Some of Voldemort's horcruxes have this function. The necklace makes the wielder more unstable thus affecting their decision making which could make it easier for Voldy to retrieve it when he finds out it's missing. The diary allows him to possess the wielder and manipulate them into his bidding at least to some extent. Ignoring the horrible execution in Harry Potter, the concept is still understandable. In both these cases, the corrupting artifacts are borderline indestructible with very few things being able to destroy them.

Obviously there are things that corrupt people in fiction for no particular reason. Like the Goblin Serum or the Lizard Serum in Spider-Man and TASM respectively. But these make sense. They are dangerous chemicals that were injected into the creator out of desperation and injecting shit that seriously alters your biology can definitely do shit to your brain. It's not a living thing like the Venom Symbiote which in some versions, is either a feral bloodthirsty animal (Ultimate Comics), an evil angry and hateful monster (90s TAS, 2017, Spectacular Spider-Man),or somewhere in somewhere in between (SM3).

None of this applies to the Darkhold. It's not trying to bring back its creator or keep him from dying. It's not a thing that coincidentally corrupts you. It's not an actual living thing. The creator placed that effect on the Darkhold intentionally for no reason at all only for the sake of the plot.

Honestly, the movie's not actually clear on what it does to the user. Seemed more like a general temptation thing to me and in fact the movie just says "it takes a heavy toll".

Wanda seems to have actively and intentionally sought to use the book and there's absolutely no clear indication she got drawn to it by any corrupting force.

Side Note: Darkhold excuse completely exempts Agatha from any wrongdoing even from the writers' pov

The user gradually loses their humanity the more they use it, till they eventually don't even care about the costs anymore. Earth-616 Strange used it only once and got a third eye.
What do the Strange that destroyed his universe and Wanda have in common? They were both consumed with grief. And once they got their hands on the Darkhold, they both ended up wreaking destruction on massive scales.
The lore does a good enough job establishing the Darkhold as a force of evil. You're just basically asking to be spoonfed the workings of a plot device in chunky bits with a sippy cup, at this point.

BlackManta:


HOW EXACTLY DOES THE DARKHOLD CORRUPT?


Seriously, how? There's no reason for it to do that. It serves no purpose for the book specifically. There are other examples of items corrupting wielders but those work because they serve a purpose.

The One Ring has Sauron's power tied to it. It makes sense that he would make it so that anyone who had the ring would be tempted by its power and wouldn't want to destroy it thus Sauron can still survive if he "dies". Some of Voldemort's horcruxes have this function. The necklace makes the wielder more unstable thus affecting their decision making which could make it easier for Voldy to retrieve it when he finds out it's missing. The diary allows him to possess the wielder and manipulate them into his bidding at least to some extent. Ignoring the horrible execution in Harry Potter, the concept is still understandable. In both these cases, the corrupting artifacts are borderline indestructible with very few things being able to destroy them.

Obviously there are things that corrupt people in fiction for no particular reason. Like the Goblin Serum or the Lizard Serum in Spider-Man and TASM respectively. But these make sense. They are dangerous chemicals that were injected into the creator out of desperation and injecting shit that seriously alters your biology can definitely do shit to your brain. It's not a living thing like the Venom Symbiote which in some versions, is either a feral bloodthirsty animal (Ultimate Comics), an evil angry and hateful monster (90s TAS, 2017, Spectacular Spider-Man),or somewhere in somewhere in between (SM3).

None of this applies to the Darkhold. It's not trying to bring back its creator or keep him from dying. It's not a thing that coincidentally corrupts you. It's not an actual living thing. The creator placed that effect on the Darkhold intentionally for no reason at all only for the sake of the plot.

Honestly, the movie's not actually clear on what it does to the user. Seemed more like a general temptation thing to me and in fact the movie just says "it takes a heavy toll".

Wanda seems to have actively and intentionally sought to use the book and there's absolutely no clear indication she got drawn to it by any corrupting force.

Side Note: Darkhold excuse completely exempts Agatha from any wrongdoing even from the writers' pov

You are just grasping at straws. In the movie Wanda ask Strange if he knew the darkhold. He said yes it's the book of the damned and it corrupts everything and everyone that it touches. And you are here saying the movie wasn't clear on what it does to the user SMH. Book that was transcribed from the dark magic of the first demon Chthon. Yet it baffles you as to how it can corrupt it's wielder. Even the series Agents of shield don't know if it's still cannon with MCU, but the darkhold was there in one of its season and it corrupted those who wielded it there too.

Your favorite actors and their childhood pictures

Kaycee7:
Man watched Wanda go on a murderous spree. Saw a universe that collapsed due to its Dr Strange using the Darkhold but wants a PowerPoint presentation on the Darkhold's corruption.

If the Darkhold wasn't a factor to Wanda's villainy, why did she destroy it at the end of the movie? Why didn't she leave it for a good person to make proper use of it? Why was Wong bothered that Strange used it and why did Wanda call Strange a hypocrite for using the Darkhold?

his analogy on alcohol still holds water even more with your explanation...
Cos as you said, she did destroy it...so it definitely wasn't controlling her...at best she was tempted and not controlled


Also how exactly did she affect all the universes at once by destroying the book across all universes...?

BlackManta:


HOW EXACTLY DOES THE DARKHOLD CORRUPT?


Seriously, how? There's no reason for it to do that. It serves no purpose for the book specifically. There are other examples of items corrupting wielders but those work because they serve a purpose.

The One Ring has Sauron's power tied to it. It makes sense that he would make it so that anyone who had the ring would be tempted by its power and wouldn't want to destroy it thus Sauron can still survive if he "dies". Some of Voldemort's horcruxes have this function. The necklace makes the wielder more unstable thus affecting their decision making which could make it easier for Voldy to retrieve it when he finds out it's missing. The diary allows him to possess the wielder and manipulate them into his bidding at least to some extent. Ignoring the horrible execution in Harry Potter, the concept is still understandable. In both these cases, the corrupting artifacts are borderline indestructible with very few things being able to destroy them.

Obviously there are things that corrupt people in fiction for no particular reason. Like the Goblin Serum or the Lizard Serum in Spider-Man and TASM respectively. But these make sense. They are dangerous chemicals that were injected into the creator out of desperation and injecting shit that seriously alters your biology can definitely do shit to your brain. It's not a living thing like the Venom Symbiote which in some versions, is either a feral bloodthirsty animal (Ultimate Comics), an evil angry and hateful monster (90s TAS, 2017, Spectacular Spider-Man),or somewhere in somewhere in between (SM3).

None of this applies to the Darkhold. It's not trying to bring back its creator or keep him from dying. It's not a thing that coincidentally corrupts you. It's not an actual living thing. The creator placed that effect on the Darkhold intentionally for no reason at all only for the sake of the plot.

Honestly, the movie's not actually clear on what it does to the user. Seemed more like a general temptation thing to me and in fact the movie just says "it takes a heavy toll".

Wanda seems to have actively and intentionally sought to use the book and there's absolutely no clear indication she got drawn to it by any corrupting force.

Side Note: Darkhold excuse completely exempts Agatha from any wrongdoing even from the writers' pov

it's clearly poor writing ...
That's why it's a "popcorn movie"
It's viewers are expected to enjoy without thinking about it...
Nothing makes sense... nothing is explained to make sense

BankyGee:
Your favorite actors and their childhood pictures

lmao

Baddestguyp:
his analogy on alcohol still holds water even more with your explanation...
Cos as you said, she did destroy it...so it definitely wasn't controlling her...at best she was tempted and not controlled


Also how exactly did she affect all the universes at once by destroying the book across all universes...?

Corrupted, not controlled. Don't remember either me or anyone else saying the Darkhold was controlling her. At least, not directly.

His analogy on alcohol makes zero sense because the Darkhold is not something to even be used moderately. You can't use the Darkhold responsibly. If Earth-616 had continued to use the Darkhold, he would have ended up wreaking untold havoc eventually.

Rephrase your question please.

Kaycee7:
Corrupted, not controlled. Don't remember either me or anyone else saying the Darkhold was controlling her. At least, not directly.

His analogy on alcohol makes zero sense because the Darkhold is not something to even be used moderately. You can't use the Darkhold responsibly. If Earth-616 had continued to use the Darkhold, he would have ended up wreaking untold havoc eventually.

Rephrase your question please.

how was Wanda able to destroy all versions of the Darkhold...even those that exist in all the different universes

Baddestguyp:
it's clearly poor writing ...
That's why it's a popcorn movie...
It's viewers are expected to enjoy without thinking about it...
Nothing makes sense... nothing is explained to make sense

If you want to watch MCU movies as popcorn flicks, that's completely OK. But deliberately being obtuse on well-established plot points just to claim the movies don't make sense is not a good look.

There's literally no difference between you and someone who claims AoT isn't a good story because "it's just a cartoon".

Baddestguyp:
how was Wanda able to destroy all versions of the Darkhold...even those that exist in all the different universes

Same way she was able to send demons after America Chavez across different universes.

Kaycee7:
Same way she was able to send demons after America Chavez across different universes.

this is no explanation...

Destroying a book in 100s of universes all at once?

Kaycee7:
If you want to watch MCU movies as popcorn flicks, that's completely OK. But deliberately being obtuse on well-established plot points just to claim the movies don't make sense is not a good look.

There's literally no difference between you and someone who claims AoT isn't a good story because "it's just a cartoon".

I'm actually talking about that particular movie and the belief of the writers...
They assumed people won't care if anything makes sense or not and just do what they want...
But because I care if it makes sense that's why I was listing issues with the movie


Of course you had to bring AOT cos you know my special feeling for the show

Baddestguyp:
this is no explanation...

Destroying a book in 100s of universes all at once?

She can summon creatures in different universes. Why is destroying a book in different universes such a big deal?
This is desperate levels of nitpicking

Kaycee7:
Same way she was able to send demons after America Chavez across different universes.

On wikipedia, it says american chavez posesses superhuman speed and durability. But in MoM, i saw an helpless and hapless chavez who could barely run aside porting from one universe to the other under extreme duress.

Kaycee7:
She can summon creatures in different universes. Why is destroying a book in different universes such a big deal?
This is desperate levels of nitpicking

saying she can destroy a book in different universes all at once is basically saying she can instantly kill a person across all universes at once

Katcall:
On wikipedia, it says american chavez posesses superhuman speed and durability. But in MoM, i saw an helpless and hapless chavez who could barely run aside porting from one universe to other under extreme duress.

well she did beat up Wanda far more than Dr Strange did