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Kobojunkie:
1. Saved from what?

From everlasting punishment in hell.

2. According to the verse you quoted, only those who make Mohamed judge in all disputes between them quality to be Muslims. So since none of those you mentioned ever did just that, how can any of them be considered Muslims?

Yeah, from the time of Muhammad till the end of time. Messengers are like runners in a relay race. People are to only spotlight the one currently running at his particular time yet believing in the other relay members.
This is just a similitude.

So they are Muslims if they did same with the Prophet of their time.

mhmsadyq:
Oga, speak for your religion.
You can't deny Muhammad and claim to remain/be a Muslim.
Who does that?

You're totally a FOOL!

Imagine a person believes everything Muhammad taught and he's doing it but he's a dumb that can't speak. Do you think you can ever hear a single word from a dumb?
Is he not practicing everything Allah sent Muhammad to do?
So what excludes him from being a believer if he's practicing everything the last prophet taught?

You people are just bunch of fools walahi talahi!

MaxInDHouse:
Your shalom is useless if you lack basic truth!

Nobody knows Muhammad before he started preaching those things so if you believe (trust) in his teachings you're already a Muslim, leave Muhammad name out of this. Practice it all and see how Muslims throughout the world will embrace you as their brother.
You only prove to be an insane when you speak against the name of a prophet whom you've made your role model!

You clearly don't need no response!

MaxInDHouse:
The funny thing here is that the so called Muslims arguing with you are as dumb as you are!
Whoever makes Christ's teachings his way of life has become a Christian, it's as simple as that.
So if you're practicing everything Muhammad taught but saying you don't believe that the same Muhammad who brought the teachings is not a prophet of God then your brain need a reset!

mhmsadyq:
Your headache to deal with.

Al-Baqarah 2:2
This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allah .
Al-Baqarah 2:3
Who believe in the unseen, establish prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them,

Al-Baqarah 2:4
And who believe in what has been revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and what was revealed before you, and of the Hereafter they are certain [in faith].

Al-Baqarah 2:5
Those are upon [right] guidance from their Lord, and it is those who are the successful.

Al-Baqarah 2:6
Indeed, those who disbelieve – it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them – they will not believe.


These are the Muslim translations.

You can consult google translate for more headaches!

LOL!

The Qur'an:
A collection of stories and hearsay that Mohammed himself does not understand claiming to be the verbatim words of the God of the Jews.

Unfortunately, what can be further away from the truth than the Qur'an: made to decieve people who prefer lies to the truth.
Trinity= God, Mary and Jesus?
Mary Mother of Jesus=Mariam sister of Aaron
Sunset=Inside Murky waters
Men slept in a cave=300 years
Jesus =didn't die on the cross
Qur'an=only one Qur'an
Abraham thrown in Chaldeans Fire= Jewish Midrash

Lies upon lies. And when the adherents are told, instead the words of Christ is made clearly manifest

John 3:19-21:
"And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
For every one that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that does truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are worked in God."

Jesus concluded it with this:

John 8:12:
"Then spoke Jesus again to them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that follows me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life."

TenQ:
You clearly don't need no response!

Of course all you need is a rethink!

Whatever makes you believe and practice all what Muhammad taught makes you one of his disciples, simple as ABC!

MaxInDHouse:
Of course all you need is a rethink!

Whatever makes you believe and practice all what Muhammad taught makes you one of his disciples, simple as ABC!

How could some people be so dumb as not to see!?

TenQ:
How could some people be so dumb as not to see!?

I wonder o!

Believing everything someone taught and even practicing it yet saying you don't believe the teacher is from God!

MaxInDHouse:
I wonder o!

Believing everything someone taught and even practicing it yet saying you don't believe the teacher is from God!

If the teacher is not from God, how can the words be from God!

TenQ:
If the teacher is not from God, how can the words be from God!

What makes you believe in his teachings?

AntiChristian:
1.From everlasting punishment in hell.

2. Yeah, from the time of Muhammad till the end of time. Messengers are like runners in a relay race. People are to only spotlight the one currently running at his particular time yet believing in the other relay members.
This is just a similitude.

3. So they are Muslims if they did same with the Prophet of their time.

1. So, in Islam, everlasting punishment in Hell has been Allah's way since the beginning meaning Hell has been Allah's punishment for sin since Allah supposedly created man?

2. From the time of Mohammed? Those whose names you mentioned were all from before the time of Mohammed, and none of them had beliefs that conformed to that indicated in that Quranic passage meaning they weren't Muslims then, right?

3. They didn't do the same thing suggested in the verse you posted. They didn't believe in Mohammed as a judge to settle disputes nor in what it was Mohammed revealed. So, they can't be classified as Muslims following that written right there in your Quran, right?.

MaxInDHouse:
You're totally a FOOL!

Imagine a person believes everything Muhammad taught and he's doing it but he's a dumb that can't speak. Do you think you can ever hear a single word from a dumb?
Is he not practicing everything Allah sent Muhammad to do?
So what excludes him from being a believer if he's practicing everything the last prophet taught?

You people are just bunch of fools walahi talahi!

Old idiot goat!
Speak for your religion.

I am a Muslim!

I keep on asking, how come there is no place God spoke to Muhammad in all of Quran, but he spoke to God, but it is not shown where God spoke back to him. God spoke to the old prophets he called. As a matter of fact, He speaking to them was the evidence that He (God) called them to be prophets.

Is there any place in the Quran where God spoke to Muhammad. Not where he spoke to God

MaxInDHouse:
What makes you believe in his teachings?

Who told you I believe in Mohammed's teachings?
You should have read between the lines

Prosper123:
I keep on asking, how come there is no place God spoke to Muhammad in all of Quran, but he spoke to God, but it is not shown where God spoke back to him. God spoke to the old prophets he called. As a matter of fact, He speaking to them was the evidence that He (God) called them to be prophets.

Is there any place in the Quran where God spoke to Muhammad. Not where he spoke to God

Muslims manufactured many places Allah spoke to Mohammed in their Tefsirs.

It never dawned on them that if indeed Allah spoke to Mohammed through an Angel to become the Qur'an, Allah directly speaking to Mohammed should carry more weight

MaxInDHouse:
What makes you believe in his teachings?

I'm shocked that you can't see tenq position in all of this argument....

advanceDNA:
I'm shocked that you can't see tenq position in all of this argument....

He doesn't see it.
Muslims claim that Moses, Abraham, Jacob, Isaac, Zachariah and even Jesus were Muslims. The simple question to them was how come!?
I have made them confess the impossibility of anyone becoming a Muslim without Mohammed. How then can they justify that the old prophets of Israel are Muslims since none of them know Mohammed not his teachings.

TenQ:
He doesn't see it.
Muslims claim that Moses, Abraham, Jacob, Isaac, Zachariah and even Jesus were Muslims. The simple question to them was how come!?
I have made them confess the impossibility of anyone becoming a Muslim without Mohammed. How then can they justify that the old prophets of Israel are Muslims since none of them know Mohammed not his teachings.

People have said over and again..that m'mmed just took the old testament and new testament and created a revised version he called a message from God...nigga is a fraud...

I dont know how his followers made him a supposed greatest man alive...i guess that too, was a copy copy from the way christians carry jesus

ANTIlSLAM:
You must believe that Mohammed was a beloved messenger of allah to BE a Muslim

if you do not know what to say just shut up! mr mohammed

Prosper123:
I keep on asking, how come there is no place God spoke to Muhammad in all of Quran, but he spoke to God, but it is not shown where God spoke back to him. God spoke to the old prophets he called. As a matter of fact, He speaking to them was the evidence that He (God) called them to be prophets.

Is there any place in the Quran where God spoke to Muhammad. Not where he spoke to God

Allah didn’t find Muhammad worthy of being spoken to directly so he sent an unknown jinn erroneously called Jibreel to pin Muhammad down in the cave of Hira and that was how Islam was born

TenQ:
He doesn't see it.
Muslims claim that Moses, Abraham, Jacob, Isaac, Zachariah and even Jesus were Muslims. The simple question to them was how come!?
I have made them confess the impossibility of anyone becoming a Muslim without Mohammed. How then can they justify that the old prophets of Israel are Muslims since none of them know Mohammed not his teachings.

A simple question of “who is a Muslim according to the Quran or Hadith “ they can’t answer

Kobojunkie:
1. So, in Islam, everlasting punishment in Hell has been Allah's way since the beginning meaning Hell has been Allah's punishment for sin since Allah supposedly created man?

Whoever disbeliefs in Allah and His Prophet till death comes will enter hell. And whoever believes in Allah and His Prophet obeying all the rules and regulations of Islam will attain salvation. Anyone who dies on this belief will enter paradise.

2. From the time of Mohammed? Those whose names you mentioned were all from before the time of Mohammed, and none of them had beliefs that conformed to that indicated in that Quranic passage meaning they weren't Muslims then, right?

All Prophets were Muslims who submitted to the will of Allah. From Adam the first Prophet, Noah the first messenger to the last Prophet and messenger Muhammad (Salallahu alayhi wasalam).

Their belief is to worship Allah alone joining no partners with Him and to submit perfectly to His will.

3. They didn't do the same thing suggested in the verse you posted. They didn't believe in Mohammed as a judge to settle disputes nor in what it was Mohammed revealed. So, they can't be classified as Muslims following that written right there in your Quran, right?.

Is it that what I wrote earlier was difficult to understand or you didn't even read it at all?

The verse is for those who came after Muhammad's Prophethood not before. From Muhammad's time till the world ends, Muhammad is our judge.

To the children of Israel during the time of Jesus, Jesus was the judge for them.

Noah was his people's judge during his time.

AntiChristian:
1. Whoever disbeliefs in Allah and His Prophet till death comes will enter hell. And whoever believes in Allah and His Prophet obeying all the rules and regulations of Islam will attain salvation. Anyone who dies on this belief will enter paradise.

2. All Prophets were Muslims who submitted to the will of Allah. From Adam the first Prophet, Noah the first messenger to the last Prophet and messenger Muhammad (Salallahu alayhi wasalam). Their belief is to worship Allah alone joining no partners with Him and to submit perfectly to His will.

3. Is it that what I wrote earlier was difficult to understand or you didn't even read it at all? The verse is for those who came after Muhammad's Prophethood not before. From Muhammad's time till the world ends, Muhammad is our judge. To the children of Israel during the time of Jesus, Jesus was the judge for them. Noah was his people's judge during his time.

1. So hell has been a part of the equation with Allah since Adam then? Interesting!

2. According to the verse you quoted from the Quran, all can have NO FAITH, until they make Mohammed judge in all disputes between them, find in themselves against Mohammed's decisions, and accept Mohammed's decisions with full submission.

But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you (O Muhammad SAW) judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission.Qu'ran 4:65

None of the prophets you listed from Biblical scripture believed in Mohammed, nor submitted to his decisions, so how could they be considered to be of Mohammed, Muslim?

3. Noah was not a judge during his time which was pre-Israel. Neither was Jesus Christ a judge during His time on earth. The time of the judges ended in Israel when the people chose to have for themselves Kings instead. Most of the prophets were not judges, since there were already kings in the land to judge the people.

Also, you claim the verse you had posted earlier was only for those who came after Mohammed, what verse is there to explain how you arrived at all the prophets before Mohammed being Muslims?

TenQ:
I don't have any problems with
1. Belief in God
2. praying five times a day;
3. giving zakat, or donating a certain portion of one's wealth;
4. fasting during Ramadan; and
5. making a pilgrimage to Mecca in Saudi Arabia.

HOWEVER,
I do not believe that Mohammed is a Prophet of God nor His Messager.
(Based on several issues)

Is it possible to be a Moslem with this condition?

You can't be a Muslim and not believe in the prophet Mohammad PHUM

ANTIlSLAM:
It is not possible, allah only recognized muhammad as his one and only messenger simply because only muhammad understand the language of allah

Where is this written in the Quran or Hadith.

Balerion:
You can't be a Muslim and not believe in the prophet Mohammad PHUM

If this is the case, how can anyone claim that Noah, Abraham, and even Jesus Christ were Muslims when they didn't believe in Mohammed nor his agenda?

advanceDNA:
I'm shocked that you can't see tenq position in all of this argument....

Guy there is no logical reasoning in what he's saying!

Before Muhammad there was nothing like all those things he listed up there so if he said he agreed with all that then the simple question any right thinking person should ask him is:

Who brought all these things?
Or
To whom were these things revealed?

If it's only Muhammad then he's on the same page with all those believing (trusting) in the teachings of that Arabian who claims he's the last prophet from God. No prophet has ever spoken about all those things if not Muhammad!

advanceDNA:
People have said over and again..that m'mmed just took the old testament and new testament and created a revised version he called a message from God...nigga is a fraud...

I dont know how his followers made him a supposed greatest man alive...i guess that too, was a copy copy from the way christians carry jesus

Islam was invented to mimic the Jewish and Christian religion. They saw that it also gave opportunities for stupendous wealth through jihad. Vola, if you want to be rich, join the gang.
Stories from everywhere was stringed up to form their scripture purportedly dictated by Jubril!

advocatejare:
A simple question of “who is a Muslim according to the Quran or Hadith “ they can’t answer

When you ask them directly, they will use Taqqiyya to respond so that even Jesus would be a Muslim. However, when you ask them tactically, it becomes obvious that to be a Muslim, you MUST follow Mohammed and his teachings.

Balerion:
You can't be a Muslim and not believe in the prophet Mohammad PHUM

So, why do Muslims say that Adam, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Zachariah, David, Solomon and even our Lord Jesus Christ are Muslims?

Deception as usual?

TenQ:
Islam was invented to mimic the Jewish and Christian religion. They saw that it also gave opportunities for stupendous wealth through jihad. Vola, if you want to be rich, join the gang.
Stories from everywhere was stringed up to form their scripture purportedly dictated by Jubril!

Jihad!!!!
Yes..u are right...
The religion is also a takeover of goverment in disguise just as mohammed did... that's why bokoharam, iswap will not let us rest....

advanceDNA:
Jihad!!!!
Yes..u are right...
The religion is also a takeover of goverment in disguise just as mohammed did... that's why bokoharam, iswap will not let us rest....

It is not possible to separate governance and power from Islam. This is what gives them power for wealth and control.

Rich Muslims are never punished by Sharia only the enslaved poor masses who are taught to accept whatever Islam teaches without questioning it

MaxInDHouse:
Guy there is no logical reasoning in what he's saying!

Before Muhammad there was nothing like all those things he listed up there so if he said he agreed with all that then the simple question any right thinking person should ask him is:

Who brought all these things?
Or
To whom were these things revealed?

If it's only Muhammad then he's on the same page with all those believing (trusting) in the teachings of that Arabian who claims he's the last prophet from God. No prophet has ever spoken about all those things if not Muhammad!

I think you are not getting tenq because you are not seeing past the title of the thread that is contradictory to his texts..

The topic of the thread is just a sarcasm..a smoke screen kind of.....all he's been doing from the start is invaliting islam and mohammed altogether