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Can Nigeria Work Without Restructuring? by Papacypaul(m): 7:42pm On Jul 21, 2022
In a indigenous, multi Ethnic and multicultural society as Nigeria, where various ethnic groups has diverse aspirations & values, you don't run a parasitic unitary system of Govt where power is concentrated at the center and expect development because there's no unity of purpose & unified developmental ideology.

Even if Angel Gabriel is the president, his policies will continue to be countered by those with feudal leadership ideology & his economic liberalization policies will meet stiff resistance & considered as empowering those who can compete (survive), without Govt aid.

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Re: Can Nigeria Work Without Restructuring? by limeta(f): 7:45pm On Jul 21, 2022
No
Re: Can Nigeria Work Without Restructuring? by JohnnA1: 7:45pm On Jul 21, 2022
NO
Re: Can Nigeria Work Without Restructuring? by Toks2008(m): 7:46pm On Jul 21, 2022
A Big fat NO.

This is why i want Atiku to win with hope that he will retaructure Nigeria as he has promised several times.
Re: Can Nigeria Work Without Restructuring? by gidgiddy: 7:53pm On Jul 21, 2022
Papacypaul:
In a indigenous, multi Ethnic and multicultural society as Nigeria, where various ethnic groups has diverse aspirations & values, you don't run a parasitic unitary system of Govt where power is concentrated at the center and expect development because there's no unity of purpose & unified developmental ideology.

Even if Angel Gabriel is the president, his policies will continue to be countered by those with feudal leadership ideology & his economic liberalization policies will meet stiff resistance & considered as empowering those who can compete (survive), without Govt aid.


Unfortunately, Northern Nigeria does not want restructuring, which is why it will never happen

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Re: Can Nigeria Work Without Restructuring? by Godfullsam(m): 8:02pm On Jul 21, 2022
Toks2008:
A Big fat NO.

This is why i want Atiku to win with hope that he will retaructure Nigeria as he has promised several times.

No hausa/fulani will ever restructure Nigeria.
They are the highest beneficiaries of the current political structure.

Know this and know peace.

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Re: Can Nigeria Work Without Restructuring? by obiekunie01: 8:21pm On Jul 21, 2022
Toks2008:
A Big fat NO.

This is why i want Atiku to win with hope that he will retaructure Nigeria as he has promised several times.

atiku is only fooling you.

NO NORTHERNER WILL AGREE TO RESTRUCTURE NIGERIA.

If Nigeria is restructured, north will lose its numerous gains from useless one Nigeria.

the only option is to balkanize the useless entity. LET EVERY ONE GO ANSWER THEIR PAPA NAME.

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Re: Can Nigeria Work Without Restructuring? by RoyalDiadems: 8:24pm On Jul 21, 2022
The first thing we need is good leaders. Even restructuring won't achieve anything with bad leaders at the helm of affairs.

To every Nigerian out there who is tired of this current Nigeria and who has a burning desire for national rebirth, join The Take Back Nigeria Movement on Telegram.

Let's build the largest Telegram Political Movement in Africa where we can speak with one voice and unite to retake our country.

Our Target is to have 20 mlllion Obidients in an unsurmountable United force against all oppositions and oppressive powers.

Download the Telegram App. Search for Take Back Nigeria Movement and Join.

Nigeria Shall Be Great Again.

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Re: Can Nigeria Work Without Restructuring? by GodsOwnMan: 8:31pm On Jul 21, 2022
NOPE

Re: Can Nigeria Work Without Restructuring? by Papacypaul(m): 8:42pm On Jul 21, 2022
RoyalDiadems:
The first thing we need is good leaders. Even restructuring won't achieve anything with bad leaders at the helm of affairs.

To every Nigerian out there who is tired of this current Nigeria and who has a burning desire for national rebirth, join The Take Back Nigeria Movement on Telegram.

Let's build the largest Telegram Political Movement in Africa where we can speak with one voice and unite to retake our country.

Our Target is to have 20 mlllion Obidients in an unsurmountable United force against all oppositions and oppressive powers.

Download the Telegram App. Search for Take Back Nigeria Movement and Join.

Nigeria Shall Be Great Again.
seems you didn't read the post? Nigeria problem ab initio is structure. How do house stand on a quicksand? Let me burst your brain, a good structure would naturally produce good leaders
Re: Can Nigeria Work Without Restructuring? by RoyalDiadems: 8:59pm On Jul 21, 2022
Papacypaul:
seems you didn't read the post? Nigeria problem ab initio is structure. How do house stand on a quicksand? Let me burst your brain, a good structure would naturally produce good leaders

Structures don't produce leaders. Good leadership is a choice. Even when the structures are bad, things will work if the leaders are good. Where there are bad leaders, even structures will fail.

There are many countries with good structures that have been strangled by bad leaders.
Re: Can Nigeria Work Without Restructuring? by Nobody: 9:25pm On Jul 21, 2022
Papacypaul:
In a indigenous, multi Ethnic and multicultural society as Nigeria, where various ethnic groups has diverse aspirations & values, you don't run a parasitic unitary system of Govt where power is concentrated at the center and expect development because there's no unity of purpose & unified developmental ideology.

Even if Angel Gabriel is the president, his policies will continue to be countered by those with feudal leadership ideology & his economic liberalization policies will meet stiff resistance & considered as empowering those who can compete (survive), without Govt aid.



100% correct. Brilliantly put. This is why Nigerians, if pragmatically intelligent and capable of critical thinking that evolves solutions, must vote the Presidential candidates with a proven history of pursuing holistic and fundamental reforms regardless of whose OX is gored.

It is the main reason I am supporting Tinubu. Anything else is the usual 'more of the same' exercises in futility we have seen before and that has kept Nigeria the moribund basket case it is.

Especially pertaining to Atiku who comes with the conservative and gradualist leanings , plus illiberal devotion to an excessively strong and domineering centre, many in his region have as political second nature.

Obi and Kwankwaso are not even in the running to be honest. Just window dressing.

Bottom line is that if we do not gain a brave, authoritative and determined President who can dedicatedly implement fundamental changes to the political structure of Nigeria then everything will remain the same or worse even if Angel Gabriel, as you said, is President with Mother Theresa or the Pope as VP.

I only see one candidate who comes close to the desired President in the list of front-runners.
Re: Can Nigeria Work Without Restructuring? by Racoon(m): 9:32pm On Jul 21, 2022
Nope! This is the primary thing this country needs today before election. Let's define the state of nation hood first.

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Re: Can Nigeria Work Without Restructuring? by Nobody: 9:36pm On Jul 21, 2022
RoyalDiadems:


Structures don't produce leaders. Good leadership is a choice. Even when the structures are bad, things will work if the leaders are good. Where there are bad leaders, even structures will fail.

There are many countries with good structures that have been strangled by bad leaders.


Nebulous and foggy. His point is clear. Yours is a convoluted ode to use of diversionary rhetoric.

With security as an example, what miracle does your messianic President want to perform with the NPF?

Is it not better to gain a reformer capable of birthing State and regional policing that will drive competition and set standards for what policing should be?

Is that not the solution instead of fcking around with another deluded devotee to the centre who will 'patch' the NPF as has been done countless times with results still being failure after his tenure of another 8 wasted years for Nigeria?

What Nigeria has is the crab in the bucket syndrome where no crab can escape the bucket because others will pull it down.

If you like give the crabs suction pads. Other crabs will still pull them down. Kick the bucket over however and all the crabs will be free and able to disperse in different directions to go and seek what they need.

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Re: Can Nigeria Work Without Restructuring? by Nobody: 9:45pm On Jul 21, 2022
Racoon:
Nope! This is the primary thing this country needs today before election. Let's define the state of nation hood first.

Bro, forget it. The idea is sound but Buhari , same President who dismissed restructuring outright, will never agree to organize it and Nigerians will never unitedly agitate for it as they did #EndSARS.

The best outcome is for Nigeria to gain a President capable of delivering all or most of the fundamental reforms needed to 'free' Nigeria from the chains of selfish and vested interest of a few that has kept her underdeveloped and wretched for decades.

If that is all that this President does then the biggest black nation on Earth, to the glory of all black folks universally, would have produced one of the greatest universal leaders of all times by the time this President departs in 2031 because of the impact a great and working Nigeria would have on Africa and the world.
Re: Can Nigeria Work Without Restructuring? by Nobody: 10:12pm On Jul 21, 2022
Papacypaul:
seems you didn't read the post? Nigeria problem ab initio is structure. How do house stand on a quicksand? Let me burst your brain, a good structure would naturally produce good leaders

Correct. Ask him who the "good leader" is. Your guess is an good as mine because I think he is another naive devotee of the idea a single messiah can transform Nigeria.

The kind incapable of accepting the pragmatic truth that Nigeria is rigged to fail and will always fail so far as Presidents keep coming in trying to deliver good leadership working with the same structure, that has always been anathema to our progress, rather than make fundamental reforms their first and biggest priority.

What most Nigerians do not understand is that we are very troubled and worse off than we were at independence because leaders chose the wrong, selfish and myopic turn at every pivotal stage in our history. Like the unitary system Aguiyi Ironsi decreed because of greed to control the centre and thus Nigeria's wealth for his ethnic group.

It is still happening today and we now need reformers viewed in history honorably as "father" of the nation because of the needed and visionary reform they delivered that provided the turning point ultimately leading to the progess and economic emancipation of their nation and people. These individuals made a gathering of people a nation and even created/named nations.

Nigeria should be seeking someone like Like Kemal Mustafa Ataturk, the "father" of Turkey, to be the father of a new and progressive Nigeria.

We need a brave reformer because me and you are even intelligent enough to gather the finest technocrats , as has been done in the past, if that is indeed the problem of Nigeria rather than her self-destructive structure.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_of_the_Nation

Father of the Nation
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The Father of the Nation is an honorific title given to a person considered the driving force behind the establishment of a country, state, or nation. Pater Patriae (plural Patres Patriae), also seen as Parens Patriae, was a Roman honorific meaning the "Father of the Fatherland", bestowed by the Senate on heroes, and later on emperors. In monarchies, the monarch was often considered the "father/mother of the nation" or as a patriarch to guide his family. This concept is expressed in the Divine Right
Re: Can Nigeria Work Without Restructuring? by Papacypaul(m): 10:14pm On Jul 21, 2022
People are underestimating how bad the Parasitic Unitary system of government has / hindered development and to make worse ,constitution alien to the people of Nigeria.

Our problem is vast majority of us have not come to the reality that this contraption is hopeless without restructuring.

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Re: Can Nigeria Work Without Restructuring? by Papacypaul(m): 10:17pm On Jul 21, 2022
candidtalk:



Nebulous and foggy. His point is clear. Yours is a convoluted ode to use of diversionary rhetoric.

With security as an example, what miracle does your messianic President want to perform with the NPF?

Is it not better to gain a reformer capable of birthing State and regional policing that will drive competition and set standards for what policing should be?

Is that not the solution instead of fcking around with another deluded devotee to the centre who will 'patch' the NPF as has been done countless times with results still being failure after his tenure of another 8 wasted years for Nigeria?

What Nigeria has is the crab in the bucket syndrome where no crab can escape the bucket because others will pull it down.

If you like give the crabs suction pads. Other crabs will still pull them down. Kick the bucket over however and all the crabs will be free and able to disperse in different directions to go and seek what they need.
You are wise sir.
Re: Can Nigeria Work Without Restructuring? by Nobody: 11:14pm On Jul 21, 2022
Papacypaul:
You are wise sir.

Bro same with you. Not long after you started this thread I saw what is shown below. Instantly brought your thread to mind.

All that is revealed just show a desperation for some not to share wealth with the centre, when the current warped constitution decrees they must, yet they are happy to take from others.

Why? Because others not their ethnic, religious or sectional affiliates are not their business even if they have no qualms hypocritically benefitting from those others.

What President can use force to change what is revealed below? Why not simply embrace reforms that births true fiscal federalism so every region retains the proceeds of their mineral endowment and pay an agreed tax towards the centre?

Would that not be fairer and more socio-economically productive than this 'Crab in a bucket' charade and crude scam we have now as political/governance structure?

Under regionalism, for example, the Premier of the SS and the Premier of the North would dare not condone oil bunkering in the ND or illegal gold mining in Zamfara because such robbery would harm every man, woman and child as it deprives regions the income needed to survive.

No such consideration with 'free for all Nigeria everyone is welcomed to cheat, loot and spit on. If oil bunkerers are busy, thriving and banking billions, every State of Nigeria go still dey chop breakfast under a rotten system rigged against itself.

Likewise if Zamfara remits zero naira to the centre from proceeds of her gold that will not affect inward flow of oil allocation to the State or Zamfara's receipt of excess VAT from Lagos and Ogun State.

A thoroughly miserable, rotten and horrid system many would kill to keep in place. The very reason Tinubu said he did not believe in Nigeria "as constituted" yet some kids prefer to twist his words not appreciating exactly how screwed and doomed to fail we all are.



https://dailytrust.com/powerful-people-in-govt-backing-illegal-miners-former-dss-director


Powerful People In Gov’t Backing Illegal Miners – Ex-DSS Director

Former Director of the Department of State Services (DSS), Mike Ejiofor, has said that illegal miners in some part of the country are backed by some people in government.

Ejiofor disclosed this during an interview on Channels TV’s Politics Today.

He said, “If we cannot stop oil theft, how do we stop the mining activities? You see it is not easy for this oil theft without collaboration of some multinationals and locals who get involvef in all this. I was involved in an investigation when I was in service and I had an encounter with one of the illegal operators exploring crude oil.

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Re: Can Nigeria Work Without Restructuring? by Nobody: 8:32am On Jul 22, 2022
Toks2008:
A Big fat NO.

This is why i want Atiku to win with hope that he will retaructure Nigeria as he has promised several times.

Atiku? You sure you're not talking about some other Atiku in another Nigeria and not the Atiku we know in the Nigeria we live in?
Re: Can Nigeria Work Without Restructuring? by Papacypaul(m): 9:04am On Jul 22, 2022
candidtalk:


Atiku? You sure you're not talking about some other Atiku in another Nigeria and not the Atiku we know in the Nigeria we live in?
Lol, don't mind him. How will you trust the person whose people are the greatest beneficiary of the parasitic unitary system of government to restructure Nigeria?
Re: Can Nigeria Work Without Restructuring? by Nobody: 9:08am On Jul 22, 2022
obiekunie01:


atiku is only fooling you.

NO NORTHERNER WILL AGREE TO RESTRUCTURE NIGERIA.

If Nigeria is restructured, north will lose its numerous gains from useless one Nigeria.

the only option is to balkanize the useless entity. LET EVERY ONE GO ANSWER THEIR PAPA NAME.

That won't happen either. At least not legally and not without another war. Best option is to support the emergence of a President who is reform-minded and has the ability, will and capacity to drive fundamental changes for Nigeria.

Anything sudden and radical will be resisted but things like State or regional police can be ushered in without too much delay. Ditto giving States more power and control over their own affairs.

Before long moat Nigerians will become more comfortable with new arrangement and changes to the extent more fundamental changes, like a return to regionalism governance, can sail through eventually.

Children can suck breast milk till age 5, when they don't need it beyond 12 months of life events, if a mother does not wean them off it gradually. That is the case with Nigeria.
Re: Can Nigeria Work Without Restructuring? by SUFFERInSMILIIN(m): 9:13am On Jul 22, 2022
Papacypaul:
In a indigenous, multi Ethnic and multicultural society as Nigeria, where various ethnic groups has diverse aspirations & values, you don't run a parasitic unitary system of Govt where power is concentrated at the center and expect development because there's no unity of purpose & unified developmental ideology.

Even if Angel Gabriel is the president, his policies will continue to be countered by those with feudal leadership ideology & his economic liberalization policies will meet stiff resistance & considered as empowering those who can compete (survive), without Govt aid.


Nigeria can never work because it has nothing to do with the country but the Citizens are to blame most Nigerians around the world are illiterate and only good for two people one of them a criminal one of them somebody which can do nothing this is how Nigerians are. You go to Europe and America Nigerians will tell you they have to vote for themselves they have to vote for somebody which can do nothing for them it does not matter if they are suffering. The problem has nothing to do with governments restructuring cannot work because our people's behaviour even if you break Nigeria up or you leave the country as one Nigerians will destroy its this is their mentality all over the world they just know how to destroy
Re: Can Nigeria Work Without Restructuring? by Nobody: 9:16am On Jul 22, 2022
Papacypaul:
Lol, don't mind him. How will you trust the person whose people are the greatest beneficiary of the parasitic unitary system of government to restructure Nigeria?

I don't like accusing anyone of being 'paid' but the chap sound as if he is. Atiku for where? Atiku is essentially about 'old wine in new bottle' approach.

He cannot even discuss the fundamental reform Nigeria needs let alone implement them because he is a typical Northerner who feels a strong centre, distributing largesse to all, is always best.

The entire world, at least progressive parts of it, has left that model behind millenias ago !!!!

A leader like Atiku will always look for ways to try and strengthen the centre in hope that may have a beneficial knock-on effect but that can never happen in Nigeria with our thoroughly hopeless constitution and fraudulent system of governance we copied from the USA but practice a very different and scam-like version of.

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