GabrielYulaw:


Kuje prison had just been attacked. And they were told the Law school might be next. And they carried Hilux to there when they could have used something more substantial. That I no understand at all o.

Like if you are going out and hear thunder and lightning, you dash back inside and pick up an umbrella. You don't go out as you were, trusting in the almighty to keep you safe and dry and delay the rain till you reach your destination.

Similarly, if you were told that a rabid dog was around, you suit up and prepare yourself. You don't shrug your shoulders and do as you have always done.

Why would the presidential guard of all people go out in Hilux like common soldiers or police on bullion van escort duty and fall into an ambush like common soldiers? They underestimated the enemy and showed lack of initiative and flexibility. That's shameful.

The attack of the presidential guards sends a message and that message is that these terrorists fear nothing and can do anything to anyone at anytime. There are tens of thousands of the terrorists and if they all rush Abuja now we all know wetin go happen. If you can't see the bad situation we are in then I am sorry.

It says something very strongly about the inherent capacity of the army to do the job.

IMO they have a operational culture that's essentially based on old ethos, it's as if they are using DOS when we are using Windows 11.

Three key missing components in thier battlefield management; Zero spatial awareness , poor communication infrastructure and no contingency responsive plan.

The settings is quasi Urban, you are going into volatile territory ( no situational awareness) really you should have eyes and ears on the ground, a few basic drones, intelligence zero.

Getting ambushed is not the problem it is your contingency plan to deal with it.

We have had French soldiers for a decade in the Sahara. What have been their casualties and why are the deranged jihadists not keen to engage them ambush or otherwise.

Because the day they do none of them will return home. They will not just REPEL , but seek out , overtake and annihilate.

I admit to being Western biased, but I have never seen European and or American combatants brutalising sometimes killing innocent civilian for their daily entertainment . And when carrying out operations carry out a scorched earth policy on civilian settlements.

I have been in bases across Europe and the UK etc but never seen that happen. What's wrong with our combatants.❓

That behaviour is very far from professional and if it is WHY, therefore do you in expect the army to have the efficacy of a modern disciplined professional fighting force.

Therein lies the problem.

Consider this Hundred plus passengers kidnapped in broad daylight on the Kaduna - Abuja Train and then walked to captivity ,they are still probably within a 200km radius of Kaduna. But we still don't know where they are to date

How long did it take the USA to find there singular citizen Philip Walton kidnapped by bandits and brought into Zamfara. It was was probably within 72 hours and the kidnappers wasted.

So we have a problem and it starts from the top where ineptitude and incompetence are the defining words exemplified in PMB

komekn:


It says something very strongly about the inherent capacity of the army to do the job.

IMO they have a operational culture that's essentially based on old ethos, it's as if they are using DOS when we are using Windows 11.

Three key missing components in thier battlefield management; Zero spatial awareness , poor communication infrastructure and no contingency responsive plan.

The settings is quasi Urban, you are going into volatile territory ( no situational awareness) really you should have eyes and ears on the ground, a few basic drones, intelligence zero.

Getting ambushed is not the problem it is your contingency plan to deal with it.

We have had French soldiers for a decade in the Sahara. What have been their casualties and why are the deranged jihadists not keen to engage them ambush or otherwise.

Because the day they do none of them will return home. They will not just REPEL , but seek out , overtake and annihilate.

I admit to being Western biased, but I have never seen European and or American combatants brutalising sometimes killing innocent civilian for their daily entertainment . And when carrying out operations carry out a scorched earth policy on civilian settlements.

I have been in bases across Europe and the UK etc but never seen that happen. What's wrong with our combatants.❓

That behaviour is very far from professional and if it is WHY, therefore do you in expect the army to have the efficacy of a modern disciplined professional fighting force.

Therein lies the problem.

Consider this Hundred plus passengers kidnapped in broad daylight on the Kaduna - Abuja Train and then walked to captivity ,they are still probably within a 200km radius of Kaduna. But we still don't know where they are to date

How long did it take the USA to find there singular citizen Philip Walton kidnapped by bandits and brought into Zamfara. It was was probably within 72 hours and the kidnappers wasted.

So we have a problem and it starts from the top where ineptitude and incompetence are the defining words exemplified in PMB

When you deal with terrorist treat them like one; no sentiments attached because they are just like cancer, it keeps growing until it gets out of hands.

komekn:


It says something very strongly about the inherent capacity of the army to do the job.

IMO they have a operational culture that's essentially based on old ethos, it's as if they are using DOS when we are using Windows 11.

Three key missing components in thier battlefield management; Zero spatial awareness , poor communication infrastructure and no contingency responsive plan.

The settings is quasi Urban, you are going into volatile territory ( no situational awareness) really you should have eyes and ears on the ground, a few basic drones, intelligence zero.

Getting ambushed is not the problem it is your contingency plan to deal with it.

We have had French soldiers for a decade in the Sahara. What have been their casualties and why are the deranged jihadists not keen to engage them ambush or otherwise.

Because the day they do none of them will return home. They will not just REPEL , but seek out , overtake and annihilate.

I admit to being Western biased, but I have never seen European and or American combatants brutalising sometimes killing innocent civilian for their daily entertainment . And when carrying out operations carry out a scorched earth policy on civilian settlements.

I have been in bases across Europe and the UK etc but never seen that happen. What's wrong with our combatants.❓

That behaviour is very far from professional and if it is WHY, therefore do you in expect the army to have the efficacy of a modern disciplined professional fighting force.

Therein lies the problem.

Consider this Hundred plus passengers kidnapped in broad daylight on the Kaduna - Abuja Train and then walked to captivity ,they are still probably within a 200km radius of Kaduna. But we still don't know where they are to date

How long did it take the USA to find there singular citizen Philip Walton kidnapped by bandits and brought into Zamfara. It was was probably within 72 hours and the kidnappers wasted.

So we have a problem and it starts from the top where ineptitude and incompetence are the defining words exemplified in PMB

The bolded was done to increase Trump chance of winning election, not that they value their citizen like that.
Just pointing that out, other point re valid tho

GabrielYulaw:


They've been getting decimated? It's like they are not reading the memo. I wonder the kind of starving zombies who had the gall to attack Kuje prison and stay there for over 3hours, even leisurely giving a 15 minute lecture while our security personnel were off cowering within 5-10 minutes drive of their location.

Guy, are we seeing the same situation or is something wrong with my eyes?

Eaziimoney:

Something is wrong with someone else's eyes.

Statistics don’t lie and facts don’t care about your feelings sorry; not sorry.

AskiaHarem:




Statistics don’t lie and facts don’t care about your feelings sorry; not sorry.

Good to know na only me dey feel an impending sense of doom. Need to see a head doctor I guess.

By the way, the graph is incomplete. And could you show us the one with bandit and ethnic killings factored in.

QuietMynd:

The bolded was done to increase Trump chance of winning election, not that they value their citizen like that.
Just pointing that out, other point re valid tho

You are wrong bro. Terrorists everywhere know very well not to mess with American citizens because if they do, the consequences might not be immediate, but will surely happen.

FIBUA engagement can happen in metropolitan AOR because Nigeria now has red level insecurity, so for our Army patrol on Abuja city streets, Guards Brigade mounted light infantry personnel should not ride soft skin Toyota Hilux, they should ride Toyota land cruiser TLC200, TLC300, its available armouring level B7 protected from 7.62mm armour piercing bullets, with options retractable RWS 7.62mm PKM GPMG plus coaxial 35mm AGL.

It blends well with environment, tainted glass so nobody sees soldiers uniform and retracted remote weapon station. It has option roof mount day/night vision tv camera not retracted but size reduced signature, also painted to blend with autobody color.

Correct asset for commercial - administrative capital city without signs that may cause public panic.

500k per vehicle but fit for purpose medium intensity combat. Over two hundred remain on offer to FGN in the files of Aso Rock with OEM finance funding for procurement without cash, but FG not serious with it.

Careless I don't care attitude has joined Naija Govt incompetence, while insecurity is cracking this helpless country from top to bottom and my life your life is not worth 10 kobo. We are just unlucky to be Nigerians.

Were the guardsmen merely in transit and then ssubjected to an ambush [actually that's what an ambush means] or they were actually on a clearance operation

Naming ceremony doesn't cut it

I remember when we dey complain about this Fulani heardsmen back then, and some people go dey defend them for this thread, even the FG dey defend them.

Odunayaw:
Were the guardsmen merely in transit and then ssubjected to an ambush [actually that's what an ambush means] or they were actually on a clearance operation

Naming ceremony doesn't cut it

It doesn't matter if they were going for a piss in the bush. These are Presidential Guards. They are supposed to have the best possible equipment, not Hiluxes and AK47s

keep2silent:
FIBUA engagement can happen in metropolitan AOR because Nigeria now has red level insecurity, so for our Army patrol on Abuja city streets, Guards Brigade mounted light infantry personnel should not ride soft skin Toyota Hilux, they should ride Toyota land cruiser TLC200, TLC300, its available armouring level B7 protected from 7.62mm armour piercing bullets, with options retractable RWS 7.62mm PKM GPMG plus coaxial 35mm AGL.

It blends well with environment, tainted glass so nobody sees soldiers uniform and retracted remote weapon station. It has option roof mount day/night vision tv camera not retracted but size reduced signature, also painted to blend with autobody color.

Correct asset for commercial - administrative capital city without signs that may cause public panic.

500k per vehicle but fit for purpose medium intensity combat. Over two hundred remain on offer to FGN in the files of Aso Rock with OEM finance funding for procurement without cash, but FG not serious with it.

Careless I don't care attitude has joined Naija Govt incompetence, while insecurity is cracking this helpless country from top to bottom and my life your life is not worth 10 kobo. We are just unlucky to be Nigerians.

500K is too expensive sef. If I remember correctly, Inkas will take a vehicle from you and armor it to B7 level in around 3 months and for less than 100K USD

GabrielYulaw:


You are wrong bro. Terrorists everywhere know very well not to mess with American citizens because if they do, the consequences might not be immediate, but will surely happen.

But they kidnap the dude now, oga u better wake up to reality, American citizen can be kidnapped like everyone else. I can't even count the number of times Americans have been kidnapped in the niger delta alone. Not to talk of Somali even Asia.

GabrielYulaw:


It doesn't matter if they were going for a piss in the bush. These are Presidential Guards. They are supposed to have the best possible equipment, not Hiluxes and AK47s

I see you are talking from the illusion that the Guards Bde is some elite fighting unit of the Army

Odunayaw:
I see you are talking from the illusion that the Guards Bde is some elite fighting unit of the Army

D@mn. I really need to get my eyes checked. I keep seeing "elite soldiers" where Dem no suppose be

QuietMynd:

But they kidnap the dude now, oga u better wake up to reality, American citizen can be kidnapped like everyone else. I can't even count the number of times Americans have been kidnapped in the niger delta alone. Not to talk of Somali even Asia.

Americans like other people can be kidnapped. But the consequences of that is always dire. Everyone knows this. If I remember correctly, the US has always been more than willing to go to war just because one of its citizens was kidnapped or killed.

GabrielYulaw:


D@mn. I really need to get my eyes checked. I keep seeing "elite soldiers" where Dem no suppose be

You are seeing but you are not knowing. Elite doesn't mean elite fighting.

Elite means separate and that's all about that

The Guards Bde is like the Queen's Guard and has been that way right from it's days in Dodan

We have soldiers in this thread, let them correct me if I'm wrong

Odunayaw:
You are seeing but you are not knowing. Elite doesn't mean elite fighting.

Elite means separate and that's all about that

The Guards Bde is like the Queen's Guard and has been that way right from it's days in Dodan

We have soldiers, let them correct me if I'm wrong

Okay. Thanks for the explanation.

You know, back in the days and sometimes now, African presidents and dictators would reserve the best equipment and troops foe their presidential guard, because it was this set that would be tasked with keeping them in power no matter what. I thought that was what was going on here, with the presidential guards in Aso Rock being armed to the teeth with the best possible equipment and staffed with the best troops and officers in the NA.

GabrielYulaw:


Okay. Thanks for the explanation.

You know, back in the days and sometimes now, African presidents and dictators would reserve the best equipment and troops foe their presidential guard, because it was this set that would be tasked with keeping them in power no matter what. I thought that was what was going on here, with the presidential guards in Aso Rock being armed to the teeth with the best possible equipment and staffed with the best troops and officers in the NA.

After the Federal Guards were fingered in the 1966 counter-coup successive government must have decided to not toe that line.

Odunayaw:
After the Federal Guards were fingered in the 1966 counter-coup successive government must have decided to not toe that line.

We still need to call "a spade a spade" though, if not we keep formulating excuses every single time to soothe our anger.

See them trying to defend failure sometimes we just have to say it the way it is, this government failed us in terms of security and it all because of Buhari incompetence no one would have tried this shit if Abacha or Obasanjo are still in power damn someone here even posted a graph tagged statistic that does not go with reality we all should stop defending or giving excuse for our leaders who keeps gambling with our lives.

davefurn:

We still need to call "a spade a spade" though, if not we keep formulating excuses every single time to soothe our anger.

What spade? That they shouldn't have rode Hilux or?

Forgive me for trying to understand what happened "off the internet" by asking rational questions and not jumping into a naming ceremony of equipments.

Odunayaw:
What spade? That they shouldn't have rode Hilux or?

Forgive me for trying to understand what happened "off the internet" by asking rational questions and not jumping into a naming ceremony of equipments.

I meant the presidential task force messed up big time and Abuja security situation is very bad; although your arguments are valid

davefurn:

I meant the presidential task force messed up big time and Abuja security situation is very bad; although your arguments are valid

If it is saying that our security in Nigeria is messed up. That is very easy. We say it everyday

But if all we do is say just that we wouldn't be having good discussions on here right?

I personally think the security architecture around Abuja [and extension] is setup to fail. Why? It is set up around the Army. The Army will fail in police duty.

But who will hear?

Odunayaw:
If it is saying that our security in Nigeria is messed up. That is very easy. We say it everyday

But if all we do is say just that we wouldn't be having good discussions on here right?

I personally think the security architecture around Abuja [and extension] is setup to fail. Why? It is set up around the Army. The Army will fail in police duty.

But who will hear?

The bold is just fact.....our police failed in their duty, everything is not suppose to be done by the army.


I feel like the police are just useless in this country.

GabrielYulaw:


500K is too expensive sef. If I remember correctly, Inkas will take a vehicle from you and armor it to B7 level in around 3 months and for less than 100K USD

100k dollars is estimate for soft skin TLC200, TLC300, specs dry no extra add ons.

250k is like this our NA COAS TLC200 B6 not armed.

350k can get B7 no weapon.

500k ups you to add hidden, retractable thermal, stabilized, RCWS for day/night ops and also high accuracy shots targeting in our civilian populated Abuja. As you add necessary extra capabilities you add costs.

Foreign OEM offered FG full credit cover. Even at 500k per vehicle LATV specs SUV its affordable for Guards Brigade that has special FMF line budget allocation fund add security vote of presidency, both cash are allocated every year.

NA Guards Bgd regiment FCT can afford dozens of this asset to overmatch threat level of Abuja and secure us in FCT make we no die cheapay cheapay.

GabrielYulaw:


Good to know na only me dey feel an impending sense of doom. Need to see a head doctor I guess.

By the way, the graph is incomplete. And could you show us the one with bandit and ethnic killings factored in.

Cope harder friend.

ObosiLandlord:
Where in my comment did I blame Buhari for the death of the soldiers?

The only reason Buhari rose through the rank to become a Major General was because he was partaking in coups.

Don’t try to fall back now that you’ve been called out. Face the debate like a man and provide a proper rebuttal to my facts.

keep2silent:
FIBUA engagement can happen in metropolitan AOR because Nigeria now has red level insecurity, so for our Army patrol on Abuja city streets, Guards Brigade mounted light infantry personnel should not ride soft skin Toyota Hilux, they should ride Toyota land cruiser TLC200, TLC300, its available armouring level B7 protected from 7.62mm armour piercing bullets, with options retractable RWS 7.62mm PKM GPMG plus coaxial 35mm AGL.

It blends well with environment, tainted glass so nobody sees soldiers uniform and retracted remote weapon station. It has option roof mount day/night vision tv camera not retracted but size reduced signature, also painted to blend with autobody color.

Correct asset for commercial - administrative capital city without signs that may cause public panic.

500k per vehicle but fit for purpose medium intensity combat. Over two hundred remain on offer to FGN in the files of Aso Rock with OEM finance funding for procurement without cash, but FG not serious with it.

Careless I don't care attitude has joined Naija Govt incompetence, while insecurity is cracking this helpless country from top to bottom and my life your life is not worth 10 kobo. We are just unlucky to be Nigerians.

Contract hustler, you like making claims of "discount prices" of military equipment on Nairaland.

Follow Sierra Nevada open lobbying shop for Abuja no be for Nairaland

AskiaHarem:


Don’t try to fall back now that you’ve been called out. Face the debate like a man and provide a proper rebuttal to my facts.

bro why do you type non sense and give yourself multiple likes?

Bloodofthelambo:
bro why do you type non sense and give yourself multiple likes?

You noticed too

GabrielYulaw:


Americans like other people can be kidnapped. But the consequences of that is always dire. Everyone knows this. If I remember correctly, the US has always been more than willing to go to war just because one of its citizens was kidnapped or killed.

That's cute