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daxon001:
Check my alaye up there

akoraye:
Granulated pepper

BinamRex:
You are correct. I am just saying that the past participle of cooking verbs can be used to modify or describe nouns. Usually, only adjectives describe or modify nouns, verbs don't. But you can use the past participle of cooking verbs as "adjectives" to describe nouns.

lathrowinger:
How about Ginger, tumeric and all that.



Will I say Ground ginger?

Or

grounded ginger?

Or

Grind ginger?

Or

Grinded ginger?

Or

Milled ginger?

I need answer plZ

EMEKAodogwu1:
So is this correct: I have found my misplaced books

BinamRex:
I think it's wrong. The reason is that "misplaced" is an adjective and its meaning is different from the verb "misplace".

It's not all the time that the past participle of verbs should be used as adjectives. The past participle of " misplace" is "misplaced", but there is also another word called " misplaced" and it's an adjective and the meaning is quite different from the meaning of the verb "misplace".

There won't be any need for adjectives if we can use the past participle of all verbs as adjectives.

Beaten children
Questioned suspects
Watched movies
Seen notes
Eaten food

Look at the examples above. Are they not ridiculous?

BinamRex:
"ground" is also the past participle.

Simple present= grind
Simple past= ground
Past participle= ground

Even though the simple past and the past participle have the same form, it is the past participle form you are using when you say "ground pepper". The reason is that the simple past cannot be used as an adjective, only the past participle.

Here is a better example

Simple present: break
Simple past: broke
Past participle: broken

You can't say " broke glasses", but you can say "broken glasses". You can't use the past tense as an adjective to describe a noun, but you can use the past participle as an adjective.

BanevsJoker:
Good job.

nijaomegacode:
Grind - present tense.
Ground - past tense.
It ground pepper.

EMEKAodogwu1:
Ok. Tnx

BinamRex:
There is something called "collocation" in English. That is why you can't say "granulated pepper". " granulated" and "pepper" do not collocate.

That's also why you can say "powdered milk" but you can't say "powdered pepper or powdered sugar".

lathrowinger:
How about Ginger, tumeric and all that.



Will I say Ground ginger?

Or

grounded ginger?

Or

Grind ginger?

Or

Grinded ginger?

Or

Milled ginger?

I need answer plZ

Iretii0511:
Collocation doesn’t make a phrase incorrect. For example, while powerful collocate with car, it doesn’t mean you can’t say it’s a “strong car”.

BinamRex:
If two words that do not collocate are used together, the phrase is definitely wrong.

The Oxford dictionary doesn't even show that "powerful" and "car" collocate. These are the collocations I saw: "incredibly powerful", " powerful nation", "powerful figure", " powerful force", "powerful tool", " powerful influence" and "powerful message".

It doesn't mean that a " powerful car" is incorrect. What it means is that the car is effective. But can you say "a powerful house"? It won't make sense.

You can say " a strong car", but it won't be wrong to say "a sturdy car" even though sturdy and strong are synonymous.

Another example is "granulated". The word is an adjective and it means having tiny particles, e.g " granulated sugar. Even if a ground pepper has tiny particles, we can't say "granulated pepper"

Two words can have similar meanings but they may not be used to modify or describe the same noun.

Iretii0511:
Like I said, that words do not collocate does not necessarily make their usage incorrect. Collocation is simply put, words that are generally used together and has now become popular that they are no longer considered unmarked or idiomatic.

BinamRex:
Hmmmm...are you insinuating that the simple past and past participle of "grind" used to be "grinded" but it is now obsolete?

I don't know about this. I have to do some research.

BinamRex:
There is nothing like "grounded" in English. The past participle of "grind" is "ground". Since we can only use the past participle of cooking verbs to describe or modify nouns, then it's" ground ginger".

KosiGee:
Of course there is something like ‘grounded’ in English language but it doesn’t apply and can not be used in the context of the topic you are discussing above. It can used when you want to describe someone as sensible and mentally stable…Eg. BinamRex is well grounded…it also applies to an aircraft when it has been prevented from flying…Eg…Alhaji BinamRex’s challenger jet has been grounded by the Federal ministry of Aviation.

KosiGee:
Of course there is something like ‘grounded’ in English language but it doesn’t apply and can not be used in the context of the topic you are discussing above. It can used when you want to describe someone as sensible and mentally stable…Eg. BinamRex is well grounded…it also applies to an aircraft when it has been prevented from flying…Eg…Alhaji BinamRex’s challenger jet has been grounded by the Federal ministry of Aviation.

MISSCONGENIALITY:
It is dusty pepper or powdered pepper.

BinamRex:


Ok